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dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 11:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If she hadn't been wearing a strapless gown, she wouldn't have nearly bled to death.

Unbelievably, this is apparently based on a true story.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 12:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh boy, strapless gowns and mayhem all in one puzzle!

Are we talking about exsanguination here? Did the blood actually leave her body?

Could she (or someone) have used the straps in some way other than holding the gown up (e. g. a tourniquet or something)?

Did she deem it a better use of her hands to hold up her dress vs. stopping the bleeding?

Did the straplessness of the dress prevent her (or anyone else) from noticing the bleeding?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 12:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, to clarify: Because she was wearing a strapless gown, she nearly bled to death?

Is her location relevant? Time of year relevant? Time of day relevant?

Would her wearing of a gown-with-straps-on have: prevented the bleeding starting in the first place? somehow stopped the bleeding before it got worse?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 1:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the two she's the same? Could straps or in any case more material have been used as a tourniquet? Is the strapless part relevant? Is the gown part relevant? Is the wearing something instead of nothing relevant?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 1:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 12:06 am:

Are we talking about exsanguination here? yes Did the blood actually leave her body? yes

Could she (or someone) have used the straps in some way other than holding the gown up (e. g. a tourniquet or something)? no

Did she deem it a better use of her hands to hold up her dress vs. stopping the bleeding? no

Did the straplessness of the dress prevent her (or anyone else) from noticing the bleeding? no


By Ed Mason (Logician) on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 12:35 am:

So, to clarify: Because she was wearing a strapless gown, she nearly bled to death? correct

Is her location relevant? yesish Time of year relevant? no Time of day relevant? no

Would her wearing of a gown-with-straps-on have: prevented the bleeding starting in the first place? yes somehow stopped the bleeding before it got worse? no


By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 01:39 am:

Are the two she's the same? yes Could straps or in any case more material have been used as a tourniquet? no Is the strapless part relevant? yes Is the gown part relevant? yes Is the wearing something instead of nothing relevant? yes
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 2:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the dress the key to why she nearly bled to death? Or something else she was wearing?

Was the rubber/elastic that was holding her dress up too tight? Was her strapless bra too tight? Pasties (paste on bra) relevant?

Did they have to cut her out of the dress? All of her clothes? Some?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 4:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Most strapless gowns have boning, plastic or metal strips, sewn into the seams, whereas dresses with straps often do not. Would she still have nearly bled to death if the dress wasn't boned?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 4:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the dress the key to why she nearly bled to death? yes Or something else she was wearing? no

Was the rubber/elastic that was holding her dress up too tight? no Was her strapless bra too tight? no Pasties (paste on bra) relevant? no

Did they have to cut her out of the dress? no All of her clothes? no Some? no

Most strapless gowns have boning, plastic or metal strips, sewn into the seams, whereas dresses with straps often do not. Would she still have nearly bled to death if the dress wasn't boned? I don't know much about dresses, but I think this wouldn't matter
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 4:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So straps would've prevented the exsanguination (sorry, I like that word, even if it is kinda gruesome)--was there something attached to the dress which could've been attached to a strap had there been one? Did she act/move differently because it was strapless? The "strapless tug" relevant (something I've not done myself but have observed)?

Did something pierce her skin because it was a strapless gown?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 4:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So straps would've prevented the exsanguination yes
(sorry, I like that word, even if it is kinda gruesome) well, sanguine does also mean optimistic and cheerful!
was there something attached to the dress which could've been attached to a strap had there been one? no Did she act/move differently because it was strapless? yope The "strapless tug" relevant (something I've not done myself but have observed)? is this a quick tug to bring it up a bit? if so, then no

Did something pierce her skin because it was a strapless gown? yes, though this may mislead
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 4:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the strapless gown cause someone else to poke her? Cause her to be in a different place than she would've been? Are any of her physical attributes relevant?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 4:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the strapless gown cause someone else to poke her? no Cause her to be in a different place than she would've been? yope Are any of her physical attributes relevant? no
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 4:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she bleeding from/through her... Head? Ears? Eyes? Mouth? Nose? Neck? Shoulders? Back? Spine? Chest? Breasts? Lungs? etc....?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 4:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she bleeding from/through her... Head? Ears? Eyes? Mouth? Nose? Neck? Shoulders? Back? Spine? Chest? Breasts? Lungs? etc....? I don't know, but I imagine it was from multiple body parts
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 4:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Multiple... was she stabbed in several places? Trip and fall on something? Glass shatter? Was she lacerated? Cut severely? Did her strapless dress keep falling down, thus causing it to drag on the ground? Did somebody step on her dress and cause her to trip and fall? Fall onto something bad?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 5:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Multiple... was she stabbed in several places? no Trip and fall on something? no Glass shatter? YES Was she lacerated? yes Cut severely? yes Did her strapless dress keep falling down, thus causing it to drag on the ground? no but ORT Did somebody step on her dress and cause her to trip and fall? no but very close! Fall onto something bad? no
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 5:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did her dress snag on something? Did it get pulled down at just the wrong moment? Did she get yanked backwards? Fall backwards? Did the bottle/glass she was holding go flying? Shatter on her? shatter on the floor?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 5:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did her dress snag on something? no Did it get pulled down at just the wrong moment? YES Did she get yanked backwards? no Fall backwards? no Did the bottle/glass she was holding go flying? no Shatter on her? no shatter on the floor? no
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 5:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did somebody throw glass at her? Drop glass on her? Did somebody pull her dress down? Is anybody else even involved?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 5:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did somebody throw glass at her? no Drop glass on her? no Did somebody pull her dress down? yesish Is anybody else even involved? yes
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 5:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok. So somebody stepped on her dress (by accident?) and caused it to get pulled down?
After that...
She fell?
She ran?
She freaked out?
She tensed up and broke something?
She was simply bare?
She lost her balance?
other?

The glass came from...
A bottle?
A cup?
A punch bowl?
A window?
other?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 5:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok. So somebody stepped on her dress (by accident?) and caused it to get pulled down? YES
After that...
She fell? no
She ran? yes
She freaked out? yes
She tensed up and broke something? no
She was simply bare? no
She lost her balance? no

The glass came from...
A bottle? no
A cup? no
A punch bowl? no
A window? yesish

almost there now!
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 5:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ran through a sliding/french door?
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 5:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ran through a sliding/french door? exactly!

spioler comin' right up
dryman (Dryman)
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 5:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

******* SPOILER *******

As a young woman, the actress Allison Janney (now Press Secretary CJ Cregg on The West Wing) had been in training to become an Olympic figure skater when she suffered a bizarre and life-changing accident. While she was dancing at a party on the outdoor patio of her home, someone accidentally stepped on the hem of her strapless gown, yanking it almost all the way down. Humiliated, she dashed toward the house and crashed through a sliding glass door she had thought was open. She suffered severe blood loss and was hospitalized for eight weeks, but eventually made a full recovery.


This seems like such a bizarre mishap that I wouldn't expect it even on the West Wing, but at least based on the Google test it appears to be genuine.

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