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Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 3:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he flirt with the waitress (or some other employee) at the South building?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 3:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 03:04 am:


Does he flirt with the waitress (or some other employee) at the South building? no
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 4:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

types and/or versions of internet software relevant? like Internet Exploder vs. Netscape?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 5:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, Barbara eliminatificated one of the things I was thinking...

Is there a relevant employee in the southern building? A relevant regular? Some other attraction which degrades performance?

Is it a more popular building from which to surf (or scarf, even) the net, hence slowing down the access? Does it connect to a different web server which is slower/more burdened? Connection type relevant?

Does it take longer for his latte to be delivered in the Southren building?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 8:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 04:30 am:


types and/or versions of internet software relevant? like Internet Exploder vs. Netscape? Not at all

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 05:11 am:


Well, Barbara eliminatificated one of the things I was thinking...

Is there a relevant employee in the southern building? A relevant regular? Some other attraction which degrades performance? no to all

Is it a more popular building from which to surf (or scarf, even) the net, hence slowing down the access? no Does it connect to a different web server which is slower/more burdened? no Connection type relevant? no

Does it take longer for his latte to be delivered in the Southren building? no
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 8:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

********** ADDENDUM TO RECAP **********

(it's actually kinda important, my bad)

The reason why he spends different amounts of money at the different venues is all to do with the quality of the equipment. Yet the computer specifications, connection speed, and internet browsers are the same in either building.

What very simple difference exists that means he sometimes knows he will not exceed the time limit, and sometimes doesn't?
Sam Hastings (Sjh)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 12:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the difference to do with the building itself? The people that work there? The customers? The facilities?

Bit of a long shot: Are the keyboards a different language and it takes longer to type things on one as he's not used to it? (i.e. French keyboards start AZERTY...)
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 3:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Virus checkers, spy sweepers, firewalls relevant?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"What very simple difference..." Ha, ha, ha...it must not be that simple, you're stumping all of us!!

Does the difference involve the computer itself? Or something else in the building?
Lisa (Dlcygnet)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 3:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the people in the north building early risers or have good support staff? Thus their computers are turned on when he gets into the building? Whereas the south building computers are often turned off and he has to wait for them to boot up? That shouldn't affect internet time use though...

Password requirements relevant? Random digits and letters vs. easily memorized password?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 4:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does one computer have a mouse, and the other doesn't? so that he has to use all the Alt key menus, tab key, and all that, which slows him down?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 4:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Similar to Sjh's question: Qwerty vs Dvorak keyboards? are the keyboards in one building those split, angled ergonomic keyboards? One of my friends has one of those, and since I don't do standard touch typing, I can't touch-type for beans on it. I'm reduced to two-finger hunt-and-peck.

Are the keyboards cleaner in the North Building, but in the South Building they've got a build-up of crumbs and spilled coffee and such, so some keys are stubborn, and he has to type more carefully to make sure that all the letters are there? are the keyboards in the South Building overly sensitive, so that he spends more time backspacing and correcting mis-strikes?

OK, after you blindsided us with a missing key in the other puzzle, Are the monitors larger in the North building, so that he has to do more scrolling in the South building to read the same amount of e-mail? Are they the same size, but set to different resolutions?

Anything to do with screen layout?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 9:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he pay beforehand in the north building and get automatically disconnected when his time is up?
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 2:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it the floor the room is in?
The building itself?
Its layout?
Something to do with what he wears there?
The people there wear there?
The view?
The girls?
Something that isn't present in the North building? And is in south?
Paul S (Psdubl07)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 5:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wired vs WiFi?
Rachel (Myth)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In the north building, computers shut off/quit after your alloted time period while in the south building they let you continue but charge more?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 8:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*Rubs hands together with glee and prepares to copy-paste the response 'no to all'*

By Sam Hastings (Sjh) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 12:19 pm:


Is the difference to do with the building itself? no The people that work there? no The customers? no The facilities? yes

Bit of a long shot: Are the keyboards a different language and it takes longer to type things on one as he's not used to it? (i.e. French keyboards start AZERTY...) incorrect

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 03:13 pm:


Virus checkers, spy sweepers, firewalls relevant? No

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 03:33 pm:


"What very simple difference..." Ha, ha, ha...it must not be that simple, you're stumping all of us!! Bear in mind that some of the most intelligent people in the world lie awake at night wondering how the guy standing at the entrance to the British Museum is the father of the other one's son...

Does the difference involve the computer itself? yes Or something else in the building? no

By Lisa (Dlcygnet) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 03:37 pm:


Are the people in the north building early risers or have good support staff? irrelephant Thus their computers are turned on when he gets into the building? Whereas the south building computers are often turned off and he has to wait for them to boot up? incorrect That shouldn't affect internet time use though... correct :P

Password requirements relevant? Random digits and letters vs. easily memorized password? no to all

By Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 04:00 pm:


does one computer have a mouse, and the other doesn't? no so that he has to use all the Alt key menus, tab key, and all that, which slows him down? no

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 04:01 pm:


Similar to Sjh's question: Qwerty vs Dvorak keyboards? nay are the keyboards in one building those split, angled ergonomic keyboards? *shakes head* One of my friends has one of those, and since I don't do standard touch typing, I can't touch-type for beans on it. I'm reduced to two-finger hunt-and-peck. *nod* It's a pain I know too well.

Are the keyboards cleaner in the North Building, but in the South Building they've got a build-up of crumbs and spilled coffee and such, so some keys are stubborn, and he has to type more carefully to make sure that all the letters are there? no are the keyboards in the South Building overly sensitive, so that he spends more time backspacing and correcting mis-strikes? no

OK, after you blindsided us with a missing key in the other puzzle, *snickers insanely* Are the monitors larger in the North building, so that he has to do more scrolling in the South building to read the same amount of e-mail? no Are they the same size, but set to different resolutions? no

Anything to do with screen layout? YES - explore

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 09:32 pm:


Does he pay beforehand in the north building and get automatically disconnected when his time is up? no - but this is the closest guess thus far

By Vae (Vaetrus) on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 02:26 am:


Is it the floor the room is in?
The building itself?
Its layout?
Something to do with what he wears there?
The people there wear there?
The view?
The girls? no to all
Something that isn't present in the North building? And is in south? NO

By Paul S (Psdubl07) on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 05:56 pm:


Wired vs WiFi? er, elephant

By Rachel (Myth) on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 06:07 pm:


In the north building, computers shut off/quit after your alloted time period while in the south building they let you continue but charge more? again, no, but right line of thinking.

Clue for those exasperated in white:
It pays to focus on why he needs a stopwatch, rather than why he sometimes goes over time. Solving the stopwatch riddle will also solve the going-over-time riddle.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 8:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there no clock on the screen? or is he unable to see the clock for some reason?
eg the web browser is stuck in full screen mode?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 9:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 08:16 pm:


Is there no clock on the screen? YOPE or is he unable to see the clock for some reason? YOPE
eg the web browser is stuck in full screen mode? no.

You are painstakingly close.
Jennifer (Tigger32382)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the clock on screen not in a time he can read? for example, it shows the hands on a clock and he can't read time that way? or it's in military time? or something else he doesn't recognize?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I meant in the north building - in case that's the source of the yope...

In the north building,
Is the clock merely not where he expects it to be, so he doesn't notice it?
Is the clock wrong?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Crap. Make that the south building.
Remind me never to do a lateral maze :(
Rachel (Myth)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

South building has a clock that keeps bad time?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jennifer (Tigger32382) on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:01 pm:


is the clock on screen not in a time he can read? incorrect for example, it shows the hands on a clock and he can't read time that way? or it's in military time? no or something else he doesn't recognize? no

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:04 pm:


I meant in the north building - in case that's the source of the yope... It's not the source of the yope

In the north building,
Is the clock merely not where he expects it to be, so he doesn't notice it? no
Is the clock wrong? no

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:06 pm:


Crap. Make that the south building.
Remind me never to do a lateral maze hehe

By Rachel (Myth) on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:07 pm:


South building has a clock that keeps bad time? no
Rachel (Myth)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okay, let's have one more try at taking this apart before I go home.
There is yopishly a clock on the screens in the south building. So, there is a clock but it doesn't measure the number of minutes Kenneth has been on? There is a clock but it is for some reason not useful?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 11:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Rachel (Myth) on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 10:46 pm:


Okay, let's have one more try at taking this apart before I go home.
There is yopishly a clock on the screens in the south building. Yes... So, there is a clock but it doesn't measure the number of minutes Kenneth has been on? YES - It's the one on the right end of the taskbar There is a clock but it is for some reason not useful? Yes. Because it's on the taskbar.

********** SPOILER **********

The buildings are both cybercafes. The computers in The North building have a program which measures the length of time Ken's been using them, and allows him to 'log out' as such. When he's done, he can click the 'finish' button and be safe in the knowledge he'll only pay $1. He does this even if he hasn't finished what he came for. The south building has no such timer, and Ken has to rely on a stopwatch, because it's generally down to the second. Because there is no program which logs him out, per se, he has to factor in the time he walks to the front counter. Sometimes, there are disputes over whether he's gone just over or just under the amount of time $1 pays for, so he's happy to pay $2 in those (not entirely frequent) incidences.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 1:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You, sir, are evil.
This puzzle was diabolical, and nasty, and thoroughly wonderful, and lots and lots of fun.
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 2:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Many thanks. ;)

It's also autobiographical. Like Norbert and his energy drinks, and the mysterious keyless room, my life is a series of lateral puzzles.

All I have to look forward to now is a bizarre and puzzling death, probably in a field somewhere, with a block of ice nearby.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 3:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And yet another puzzle where the title could have vaulted us close to the solution, yet we decided to travel around our elbows to get to our heads. Oh well, that's what makes the 'good' puzzles so good I suppose. Enjoyable puzzle, and you managed to plant the REM song in my head now - thanks!
Vae (Vaetrus)
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 10:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Truly unique and lateral.

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