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David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 3:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They said it could not be done. But here, we have done it.
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 3:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hit a barn door?
Valiko Mizandari (Mimino)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 3:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

here = the LPF?
they = a specific group of people?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 3:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 03:47 pm:

Hit a barn door? no, but good remembering :)

By Valiko Mizandari (Mimino) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 03:52 pm:

here = the LPF? yes
they = a specific group of people? not really - the idea is that we have done something considered to be impossible
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 4:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there a common saying that says that what we have done is impossible?
Does "they" refer to people in general? Or a specific group of people?
Does "we" refer to all people who post to the LTPF? Or just some of them?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 4:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 04:08 pm:

Is there a common saying that says that what we have done is impossible? no
Does "they" refer to people in general? yes Or a specific group of people? no
Does "we" refer to all people who post to the LTPF? no Or just some of them? yes. This may, however, prove slightly misleading.
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 4:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there a specific puzzle in which this impossible thing was done? A group of specific puzzles? Or is it a property of the forum in general?

Was this impossible thing done more than once on this forum?

Is there a specific day on which the impossible thing was done on this forum (for the first time)? If so, do you know what day that is? If so, what is it?

Does "we" include me?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 4:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Johanna (Buzzard) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 04:15 pm:

Is there a specific puzzle in which this impossible thing was done? no A group of specific puzzles? yes Or is it a property of the forum in general? and yes

Was this impossible thing done more than once on this forum? yes

Is there a specific day on which the impossible thing was done on this forum (for the first time)? yes If so, do you know what day that is? no, but it was comparatively recently If so, what is it?

Does "we" include me? yes
Ostap Bender (Ostap)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 4:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A specific type of puzzles relevant? (like: rulebreakers? lateral adventures?)
puzzles about a specific topic?
puzzles from a particular person?
puzzles that have been revoked from limbo?

Buzzard's return after a long period of absence relevant?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 4:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ostap Bender (Ostap) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 04:27 pm:

A specific type of puzzles relevant? (like: rulebreakers? lateral adventures?) no
puzzles about a specific topic? no
puzzles from a particular person? no
puzzles that have been revoked from limbo? no

Buzzard's return after a long period of absence relevant? no

Tell me - are you by any chance one of a set of triplets?
Ostap Bender (Ostap)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 4:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tell me - are you by any chance one of a set of triplets? Why do you think so? I am unique, of course!

Is the thing we did considered impossible because it contradicts the laws of physics? contradicts common sense? is a logical paradoxon?

Would you regard it an achievement that "we" managed to do it? Did we do it planfully? Did it just happen?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 4:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ostap Bender (Ostap) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 04:50 pm:

Is the thing we did considered impossible because it contradicts the laws of physics? yes contradicts common sense? this also is a logical paradoxon? a what?

Would you regard it an achievement that "we" managed to do it? no Did we do it planfully? no Did it just happen? yes
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 5:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Torgeir's challenge relevant?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 5:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 05:03 pm:

Torgeir's challenge relevant? no, but another piece of good remembering :)
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 5:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I should say that although it is flattering to have some of my earlier puzzles remembered after all this time, it isn't necessary to know anything of them or of the history of the LTPF to solve this puzzle.
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 6:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"People" said it could not be done, but it is not a common saying? So was it said once? In the mass media? Or said often by various people, as in the four-minute mile or heavier-than-air flight? Or said not once or often bet perhaps several times? And widely believed? Or assumed to be believed?

Are fora/bulletin boards relevant? Internet in general? Managing to avoid spam? trolls? porn? similar?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 6:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 06:13 pm:

"People" said it could not be done, but it is not a common saying? there is no particular "common saying" associated with it, no. But nobody believes that it can be done, and this has been expressed in different ways by a number of people. So was it said once? see above In the mass media? Or said often by various people, as in the four-minute mile or heavier-than-air flight? more like this sort of thing Or said not once or often but perhaps several times? see above And widely believed? universally believed Or assumed to be believed? no

Are fora/bulletin boards relevant? only this one Internet in general? no Managing to avoid spam? trolls? porn? similar? nothing like this.

I should perhaps say that the reason people believe this thing cannot be done is that it cannot be done. Nor has it actually been done, even on the LTPF. But it certainly appears as though it has been done, which is what has prompted this rather silly puzzle :)
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 6:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So what has been done is believed to be impossible, and not just impossible to do on an online forum, correct? It is believed to be impossible to do in the real world? It "appears" to have been done on this forum? Would the appearance be the same if this forum were conducted by post? Or in the pub?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does 'we' include me?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 06:38 pm:

So what has been done is believed to be impossible, and not just impossible to do on an online forum, correct? indeed It is believed to be impossible to do in the real world? yes It "appears" to have been done on this forum? yes Would the appearance be the same if this forum were conducted by post? no Or in the pub? no

By Lynne (Lynne) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 07:08 pm:

Does 'we' include me? yes
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How does one perceive the appearance of the impossible being done? when one looks at the list of new puzzles? reads individual ones? must one read several?

Is this perception, in fact, gained by looking at a specific page/pages on the site?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 8:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does "we" include me?
Does "we" include you?
Does it include everyone who posts here, except for one person? If so, was that person the host of a puzzle in which the impossible was done?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 8:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 07:45 pm:

How does one perceive the appearance of the impossible being done? when one looks at the list of new puzzles? yes reads individual ones? and yes must one read several? no

Is this perception, in fact, gained by looking at a specific page/pages on the site? yes, the New Puzzles page and others included

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 08:14 pm:

Does "we" include me? yes
Does "we" include you? and yes
Does it include everyone who posts here, except for one person? no If so, was that person the host of a puzzle in which the impossible was done? no
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

any chance of being reminded of Torgeir's challenge please?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does 'we' include Paul? Does it include the moderators, individually or collectively?

What is relevant? Puzzle titles? $poilers? Puzzle setters? Puzzle questioners? The questions themselves? The answers given? The 'recently solved' page? The lateral limbo page?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this something to do with respones (the lateral puzzle type rather than the acol type)?

Or to do with:
names?
times?
sentence structures?
visual appearances?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 09:45 pm:

any chance of being reminded of Torgeir's challenge please? Torgeir's Challenge was, as I recall, a puzzle in which the setter asked the questions and the solvers provided the answers. It was the most difficult thing I have ever done on the LTPF :)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 09:50 pm:

Does 'we' include Paul? no Does it include the moderators, individually or collectively? it certainly includes Feenwelt; I do not think it includes any of the others

What is relevant? Puzzle titles? no $poilers? no Puzzle setters? no Puzzle questioners? no The questions themselves? yope The answers given? yope The 'recently solved' page? no The lateral limbo page? no

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 09:54 pm:

Is this something to do with respones with those, and with questions, and with... (the lateral puzzle type rather than the acol type)? I may set a puzzle about Acol one of these days, now that at least one other person here will know what I am talking about :)

Or to do with:
names? no
times? yes, indeed :)
sentence structures? no
visual appearances? no
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Time zones?
GMT and BST and Forum Time?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:13 pm:

Time zones? no
GMT and BST and Forum Time? yope
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

GMT and BST?
GMT and Forum Time?
BST and Forum Time?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Lynne (Lynne) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:45 pm:

GMT and BST? no
GMT and Forum Time? yope
BST and Forum Time? yope
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Forum time?
Forum time and something else?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Times of posts?

Dates?
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there postings at times that seem impossible?

Does this have to do with the time change, where it looks like questions have been answered before they were asked?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Am I part of 'we'?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:56 pm:

Forum time? yes
Forum time and something else? no

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:57 pm:

Times of posts? exactly and precisely so :)

Dates? not often, but sometimes

By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:02 pm:

Are there postings at times that seem impossible? there are, at the moment, nothing but

Does this have to do with the time change, where it looks like questions have been answered before they were asked? no, but...

By Haenlomal (Haenlomal) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:05 pm:

Am I part of 'we'? yes. Everyone who asks that question - or any other - on this puzzle automatically becomes part of "we".
Mosquito (Mosquito)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So this impossible thing; is it being displayed by this puzzle?

And the impossible detail is not the times of the postings, but is somehow related to them?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:52 pm:

So this impossible thing; is it being displayed by this puzzle? yes

And the impossible detail is not the times of the postings, but is somehow related to them? the strict answer to this question is "no". So that is the one I will give.
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 12:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the forum time inaccurate?
Are we making posts in advance of time itself?

Or rather, are we making posts going back in time?

So we are travelling in time?

We have achieved time travel?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 12:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They said it was impossible but we mere lateral puzzlers have cracked time travel?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 1:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 12:11 am:

Is the forum time inaccurate?
Are we making posts in advance of time itself?

Or rather, are we making posts going back in time?

So we are travelling in time?

We have achieved time travel?

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 12:12 am:

They said it was impossible but we mere lateral puzzlers have cracked time travel?

Well done, young Simon. You'll make a bridge player yet, if you keep applying that fine intellect :)

***** SPOILER *****

For some days now - I am not sure how many - the forum clock has been eleven minutes slow.

The effect of this has been that messages posted at, say, 10:55 appear to have been posted at 10:44. That is, the messages appear to have been sent backwards in time.

As far as is known, time travel is impossible. But here, we have done it.

My next puzzle will appear yesterday. Keep an eye out.
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 1:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks David - good puzzle :)
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 2:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You are welcome, as always. What effect the whole business may have had on DLcynet's excellent first Rulebreaker, I cannot say.

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