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David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, December 16, 2005 - 4:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

woubit confesses himself mystfied, but pleased to see that standard operational procedure is being observed. I have no idea what I have done, but whatever it was, it was all my fault. As usual.

By "act", do you mean "action"? or "fiat"?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Friday, December 16, 2005 - 11:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

text colour relevant? YES!!!

His contribution to someone else's puzzle? yes

woubit confesses himself mystfied, but pleased to see that standard operational procedure is being observed. I have no idea what I have done, but whatever it was, it was all my fault. As usual. as par the course :)
Ian (Image)
Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 1:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the BRT part of the Heart of Gold? Or Slartibartfast's Bistro-Math ship?
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 6:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it mainly how he said it, ie. in red, or what he said?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 12:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the BRT a button or switch?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 12:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it mainly how he said it, ie. in red, or what he said? it was how he said it, but it wasn't in red

Is the BRT a button or switch? yes - a button! :)
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 4:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does it eject the seat? self-destruct? Is the button's purpose relevant?
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 5:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The babelfish's existence disproves the existence of god. Is this helpful?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 6:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Missed a previous relevant question...oops :(

Is the BRT part of the Heart of Gold? YES!

Is the button's purpose relevant? yes it is!

The babelfish's existence disproves the existence of god. Is this helpful? Most certainly. It reminds us all that whilst God may not exist, if we get big-headed and self-important over the issue, we may decide that we can prove black to be white before promptly getting run over at the next zebra crossing.

But to the puzzle - no. No relevance at all. :) [It was intended solely as a hint towards the location of the BRT]
Nessa (Lyra)
Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 7:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is BRT the button that activates the improbability drive?
The button on the Hitchhiker's Guide itself?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 8:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is BRT the button that activates the improbability drive?
The button on the Hitchhiker's Guide itself? neither of these - keep guessing. But there isn't a need for too much guessing...
Ian (Image)
Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 9:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmm.... big red button on the Heart of Gold....
Was it ever pushed? If it were pushed, would it have positive consequences? Negative ones?

So the first thought, It's about as likely as the BRT....
being pushed?
not being pushed?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 11:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmm.... big red button on the Heart of Gold....
Was it ever pushed? yes If it were pushed, would it have positive consequences? Negative ones? neither positive nor negative

So the first thought, It's about as likely as the BRT....
being pushed?
not being pushed? this one
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 4:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

because it's so tempting to push it? because it's labelled "do not push"?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 2:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

because it's so tempting to push it? yes! because it's labelled "do not push"? no, not what it's labelled...
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 3:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

because it is well-known what it does?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 4:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

because it is well-known what it does? it is now...
Ian (Image)
Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 5:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

But it doesn't activate the infinite improbability drive? Ok.....

Who pushed it? Arthur? Trillian? Zaphod? Marvin? (or is it Martin?) Ford? In which book? The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? The Restaurant at the End of the Universe? Life, the Universe, and Everything? So long, and Thanks for all the Fish?

Would the button be on the bridge? In some other part of the ship? Is the button always on the ship?

Not because its labelled, and not because its known what it does... because it is not known what pushing the button will do?
Nessa (Lyra)
Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 8:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, I found my copy of Hitchhiker's Guide. From chapter 11:
"...trailing his fingers along the edge of an incomprehensible computer bank, [Arthur] reached out and pressed an invitingly large red button on a nearby panel. The panel lit up with the words, 'Please do not press this button again.' He shook himself."

I'm not really sure how many buttons DA made a point of describing, but I'm hopeful that, if this isn't the one, there can't be too many more...
Ian (Image)
Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 9:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I can't remember that part at all.... :/ Would it be cheating to go get my copy of the Guide and read Chapter 11?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 9:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*HIP HIP HOORAY! HIP HIP HOORAY! HIP HIP HOORAY!*

Nessa got it!

So you've discovered the relevant button - that lovely 'Please Do Not Press This Button Again' button!

Final Question - How does this relate to a Recent Act Of Woubit [Committed Recently During Another's Puzzle]?
Nessa (Lyra)
Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 10:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

About the "it": "it" is not the aformentioned act of Woubit, right? but related to it somehow?

Does "it" also consist of a noun and verb? so the comparison would be: X doing/being/not doing/not being ___ is about as likely as the Big Red Button not being pushed?
If yes to the last question, is X: Woubit? someone else on the forum? the LTPF itself? some subset of the forum, like the chatroom or the lateral limbo? some phenomenon commonly seen on the forum?

Was the formatting of Woubit's post relevant? Was it in italics? bold? some color other than red or black?
Lewis Zeiters (Lzeiters)
Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 6:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

trying to $p0!l a puzzle by simply stating the term?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 10:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

About the "it": "it" is not the aformentioned act of Woubit, right? correct but related to it somehow? absolutely

Does "it" also consist of a noun and verb? yes, but also another type of word... so the comparison would be: X doing/being/not doing (though another word would be better suited)/not being ___ is about as likely as the Big Red Button not being pushed? yes
If yes to the last question, is X: Woubit? someone else on the forum? the LTPF itself? some subset of the forum, like the chatroom or the lateral limbo? no to these so far some phenomenon commonly seen on the forum? this is the closest

Was the formatting of Woubit's post relevant? yes Was it in italics? bold? no to these two some color other than red or black? yes!

trying to $p0!l a puzzle by simply stating the term? unfortunately not
Nessa (Lyra)
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 7:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it Woubit guessing an answer in white text, so those who did not wish to read it wouldn't have to?
If yes, would the final answer be "someone not highlighting the white text to read it" is about as likely as the button not being pressed?

If no...ah well. I'm currently immersed in finals, so I imagine I'll be absent when this gets solved...
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 9:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***** SPOILER *****

Woubit, in a recent puzzle, offered a possible solution in white text, with the warning - (paraphrased) "Don't highlight the below text if you don't want to see my possible spoiler."

NOTE: DO NOT HIGHLIGHT THE BELOW TEXT. IT IS NOT REQUIRED IN ORDER TO TO UNDERSTAND THE SPOILER AS A WHOLE

How likely is it though that no-one would read that text? Exactly - as proved by the fact that absolutely everyone reading this spoiler read this white text.

Reading this warning, I thought, "The probability that no-one will highlight that text is about as likely that no-one would re-press the red button when it shows 'Please Do Not Press This Button Again'. ("Sounds like a challenge!")
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 9:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interesting. Many puzzles that appear in newspapers or magazines say, for example, "Solution on page 67". Do you suggest that anyone, on seeing this, will at once turn to page 67 rather than attempting to solve the puzzle?
Placido Eustorgio (Enigami)
Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 11:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

4 Woubit:

One: The blank space, which screams "WHITE TEXT HERE!!" is more in your face noticable than an alternate page in a newspaper...

Two: I'm sure if the newspaper said: "you may read the whole of this newspaper except for page 67" then almost immediately everybody would turn to read page 67.

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