| Author | Message | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Difficulty: Easy Type: Fictional Story: Many bells rang, but as an other one joined in, Lucas knew he had to die To Solve: How comes? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Sorry, I forgot to write the [SoBS] in the title. | ||
| Virendra Pratap Singh (Emptyhead)
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Good evening Sobs! Thought will exercise brain after watching England play so pathetically!! Lucas-- Human?Man?Animal?Relevant? Adult?Child?Relevant? Bell-- As in a conical shape object made of metal that makes sound? Many bells--- Number of bells relevant to problem? Lucas knew he had to die--- As cease to exist? Did Lucas came to know of his coming death because of bells? Other one joined in-- Another bell joined? Another person joined? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Lucas-- Human?Man?Animal?Relevant? Human, Man, Relevant Adult?Child?Relevant? Adult, Relevant Bell-- As in a conical shape object made of metal that makes sound? Yes Many bells--- Number of bells relevant to problem? No, we don't need a number Lucas knew he had to die--- As cease to exist? Yes Did Lucas came to know of his coming death because of bells? Yes Other one joined in-- Another bell joined? Another person joined?A Bell | ||
| Virendra Pratap Singh (Emptyhead)
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Are bells located in some church?Temple? Worship place? Part of orchestra? Placement of bell relevant? Relevant how bells are being rung? Some human force? Mechanically? Electronically? Electrically? A bell joined-- Will problem remain same if more than one bell joined? Joined as started ringing as well? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Are bells located in some church? This one Temple? Worship place? Part of orchestra? Placement of bell relevant? Yes Relevant how bells are being rung? Yope Some human force? This one Mechanically? Electronically? Electrically? A bell joined-- Will problem remain same if more than one bell joined? More than one joining bell is impossible in the situation Joined as started ringing as well? Yes | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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He and Lucas are the same person, yes? Had to die as in kill himself? Someone else come to kill him? Other? Can't have more than one bell join because there are no more at the church? Are they the clock bell things? Or handheld bells? Was Lucas ringging a bell? Modern times? | ||
| Virendra Pratap Singh (Emptyhead)
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Is Lucas in a church when situation is taking place? Is he there alone? Number of other people relevant? Relevant what he is doing there? Is a prayer taking place? Is ringing bell some kind of symbol? Message? Did other people (apart from Lucas) also realise that Lucas is going to die? Relevant how Lucas is going to die? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Is Lucas in a church when situation is taking place? Yope Is he there alone? No Number of other people relevant? No. There are many people Relevant what he is doing there? Yes Is a prayer taking place? Yope Is ringing bell some kind of symbol? Message? Which bell? (Tell them bell (the bell which joins later, and bells (the church bells)) Did other people (apart from Lucas) also realise that Lucas is going to die? No Relevant how Lucas is going to die? Yes | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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The bell which joins later: a church bell? an alarm bell? a telephone bell? a doorbell? some small bell you can carry around in your hand? Was the joining bell rang by someone inside the church? Is there a church service when the joining bell rings? Is Lucas' position inside the church relevant? The other bells - churchbells, right? - do they announce the beginning of church service? the end of church service? some sort of alarm? the time? some other event? Were they being tested? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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The bell which joins later: a church bell? No an alarm bell? You may call it alarm bell, but it's not an ordinary one a telephone bell? No a doorbell? No some small bell you can carry around in your hand? Yope Was the joining bell rang by someone inside the church? No Is there a church service when the joining bell rings? It's not a church service, but keep asking about that Is Lucas' position inside the church relevant? WA The other bells - churchbells, right? - Right do they announce the beginning of church service? the end of church service? some sort of alarm? the time? some other event? Were they being tested?As I said: It't not a service. Find out what it is first | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Thank you for ignoring my questions. I'm sure you're buisy. Unless they're all irrelevent. | ||
| Robin Smith
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Was this bell the signal for dawn? Is dawn bad for Lucas? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 02:18 pm: Thank you for ignoring my questions. I'm sure you're buisy. Unless they're all irrelevent. I am very sorry, must have overseen them. Thank you for admonishing me. He and Lucas are the same person, yes? Yes Had to die as in kill himself? No Someone else come to kill him? Yope Other? Yope Can't have more than one bell join because there are no more at the church? No Are they the clock bell things? They are the big bells usally placed next to the clock, yes Or handheld bells? No Was Lucas ringging a bell? No Modern times? NO By Robin Smith on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 02:27 pm: Was this bell the signal for dawn? No Is dawn bad for Lucas? No (no vampires involved) | ||
| Robin Smith
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was lucas close to the bell? was he able to move freely? could he see the whole bell that signified his death? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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was lucas close to the bell? Yes was he able to move freely? Yes could he see the whole bell that signified his death? Yes | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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So, is Lucas outside the church? In hearing range? Can he see the church from where he is? Are there people in the church? 1? 2? (insert list of numbers)? Believers? Tourists? A priest/pastor? The janitor? Craftspeople? People not normally found there? Are people approaching Lucas? Is the joining bell stationary? carried around by someone? on a vehicle? Did Lucas commit a crime? Will he die by accident? by murder? by execution? Is his death caused by heartstroke? by another health problem? Is Lucas someone famous? a historical person? the apostle Lucas? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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So, is Lucas outside the church? Yes In hearing range? Yes Can he see the church from where he is? Yes Are there people in the church? 1? 2? (insert list of numbers)? Believers? Tourists? A priest/pastor? The janitor? Craftspeople? People not normally found there? irrelevant Are people approaching Lucas? No Is the joining bell stationary? Yes carried around by someone? No on a vehicle? No Did Lucas commit a crime? YES Will he die by accident? by murder? by execution? This one Is his death caused by heartstroke? No by another health problem? No Is Lucas someone famous? No a historical person? No the apostle Lucas? No | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Lucas' crime: anything related to the church? heresy? witchcraft? adultery? murder? assault? theft? rape? a war crime? Is Lucas persecuted by the church? by the mundane authorities? by someone who seeks revenge? Is this set in the 1st century? 2nd? (insert list)? 20th? 21st? Is this based on some work of fiction? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Lucas' crime: anything related to the church? heresy? witchcraft? adultery? murder? Yope assault? theft? rape? a war crime? No to the rest Is Lucas persecuted by the church? No by the mundane authorities? No by someone who seeks revenge? Yes Is this set in the 1st century? 2nd? (insert list)? 20th? 21st? 18th century Is this based on some work of fiction? None that I know (or: yes, its my own work of fiction) | ||
| Virendra Pratap Singh (Emptyhead)
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Did the person who was murdered by Lucas and the person seeking revenge related? Is the second small bell some sort of evidence that will prove Lucas involvement in murder? Is the revenge taker trying to scare Lucas by ringing bell? Does ringing of second smal bell, a result of ringning of other larger bells? Do other people know about the murder? Is Lucas being tried outside the church for the murder? Does the second ringing bell signifies that time of execution has arrived? Am I asking too many absurd questions? :-) | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Did the person who was murdered by Lucas and the person seeking revenge related? FA Is the second small bell some sort of evidence that will prove Lucas involvement in murder? FA Is the revenge taker trying to scare Lucas by ringing bell? No Does ringing of second smal bell, a result of ringning of other larger bells? Sorry I don't get what you mean here. Please rephrase Do other people know about the murder? FA Is Lucas being tried outside the church for the murder? FA Does the second ringing bell signifies that time of execution has arrived? No Am I asking too many absurd questions? :-) It's ok, I don't think they are too absurd :-) | ||
| Kai Ruby |
The bells that a ringing is it some sort of ritual. Like a sacrafice? | ||
| Kai Ruby |
But a kind of forced one?(Probably stupid question) | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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The bells that a ringing is it some sort of ritual.Yes Like a sacrafice? No But a kind of forced one?(Probably stupid question) Probably Yes, but rephrase please | ||
| KR |
is he forced into the ritual? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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is he forced into the ritual? If Lucas is forced to participate in the ritual? - No | ||
| steviebhoy |
was lucas being shot at dawn hanged at dawn for a crime and he could see church from his cell and the bell signaled the dawn so by rining a certain number of times to he knew it signaled his death | ||
| steviebhoy |
was lucas in a church ringing bells when a fire started and the fire alarms ringing told him he was going to die | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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was lucas -being shot / hanged Yes -at dawn No for a crime Yes and he could see church from his cell and the bell signaled the dawn so by rining a certain number of times to he knew it signaled his death No was lucas in a church ringing bells when a fire started No. Once again: We didn't say that he is in a church! and the fire alarms ringing told him he was going to die No | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Is the exact crime relevant? Does one person seek revenge? Does a group of persons seek revenge? Is Lucas' occupation/job relevant? Is the country where this is set relevant? 18th century revolutions relevant? French revolution perhaps? Is Lucas a nobleman? Do the church bells chime for the dead? for some festivity? Is Schiller's "Die Glocke" relevant? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Is the exact crime relevant? Yes Does one person seek revenge? Does a group of persons seek revenge? Yes Is Lucas' occupation/job relevant? No Is the country where this is set relevant? Not really, let's say it is Europe 18th century revolutions relevant? No French revolution perhaps? No Is Lucas a nobleman? Yes Do the church bells chime for the dead? for some festivity? They don't chime for Lucas' death, but there is a festivity Is Schiller's "Die Glocke" relevant? No | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Sorry: Does one person seek revenge? Does a group of persons seek revenge? One person | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Lucas' crime: homicide? involuntary manslaughter? hiring a killer? giving someone an order to kill someone else? Did he intend to commit the crime? Did he know it was a crime? Did he cause the death of someone? Did he cause the death of someone he knew? Was the victim another noble? A man? A woman? Was the victim an opponent? an ally? a friend? a family member? related or close to an opponent/ally/friend/family member? Is the festivity connected to the execution? Is Lucas the only person to be executed? Did he commit the crime alone? Is it a seasonal festivity? A religious festivity? A festivity connected to the town (town anniversary? church anniversary?)? A regional holiday? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Lucas' crime: homicide? Yope involuntary manslaughter? hiring a killer? giving someone an order to kill someone else? No to the rest Did he intend to commit the crime? Yes Did he know it was a crime? Yes Did he cause the death of someone? NO Did he cause the death of someone he knew? Yes to "someone he knew" Was the victim another noble? Yes A man? Yes A woman? No Was the victim an opponent? an ally? a friend? a family member? This one related or close to an opponent/ally/friend/family member? Is the festivity connected to the execution? No Is Lucas the only person to be executed? Yes Did he commit the crime alone? Yes Is it a seasonal festivity? A religious festivity? This one A festivity connected to the town (town anniversary? church anniversary?)? A regional holiday? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Hmmm... Attempted murder? Did Lucas plan to kill some relative? His son? His father? His grandfather? An uncle? A cousin? A blood relative? A ...-in-law? Did he succeed? The festivity: Christian? - Catholic? Protestantic? Orthodox? Jewish? Muslim? In spring? summer? autumn? winter? Easter? Pentecost? Thanksgiving? Reformation Day? All Saints? Christmas? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Hmmm... Attempted murder? YES Did Lucas plan to kill some relative? Yes His son? His father? This one His grandfather? An uncle? A cousin? A blood relative? A ...-in-law? Did he succeed? NO The festivity: Christian? - Catholic? This one Protestantic? Orthodox? Jewish? Muslim? In spring? summer? autumn? winter? Easter? Pentecost? Thanksgiving? Reformation Day? All Saints? Christmas? None of these. Maybe the word "festivity" is misleading, lets better call it "event" | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Is it an event celebrated by all Catholics in Europe? Something regional? Something only in this town? One of the holy sacraments? Does his father play a role in the event? Did Lucas want to prevent this? Was his father a widower? Did he want to get married again? Does Lucas hear wedding bells? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Is it an event celebrated by all Catholics in Europe? All Christians "celebrate" this Something regional? Something only in this town? One of the holy sacraments? No Does his father play a role in the event? YES Did Lucas want to prevent this? NO Was his father a widower? Irrelevant Did he want to get married again? Irrelevant Does Lucas hear wedding bells? No | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Is Lucas' father the priest? Is he a member of the clergy? Is Lucas an illegitimate child? Does Lucas' father like Lucas? Is Lucas' mother relevant for this puzzle? Is Lucas the first-born son? Will Lucas inherit his father's possessions? Is Lucas supposed to become a clergy member? The event that is "celebrated" by all Christians: Is it "celebrated" by all Christians at the same time? at different times? Is it in January? February? March? April? Mai? June? July? August? September? October? November? December? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Is Lucas' father the priest? Is he a member of the clergy? No Is Lucas an illegitimate child? Unimportant Does Lucas' father like Lucas? No Is Lucas' mother relevant for this puzzle? No Is Lucas the first-born son? Irrelevant Will Lucas inherit his father's possessions? No Is Lucas supposed to become a clergy member? No The event that is "celebrated" by all Christians: Is it "celebrated" by all Christians at the same time? at different times? Different times Is it in January? February? March? April? Mai? June? July? August? September? October? November? December? | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Baptism? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Baptism? No Correction: Will Lucas inherit his father's possessions? YES The word "possession" sometimes may look like "position" - to which the answer "No" would have been true. Sorry for the irritation | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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The method of his death... Is he somehow fastened inside a massive bell? Does he see the clapper swinging to the opposite side, ringing, knowing that when the clapper returned the other way it would strike HIM instead, killing him? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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The method of his death... Is he somehow fastened inside a massive bell? No Does he see the clapper swinging to the opposite side, ringing, knowing that when the clapper returned the other way it would strike HIM instead, killing him? No | ||
| Robin Smith |
Is his father human? (i.e. not the religous variety) Has Lucas broken the ten commandments? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Is his father human? Yes(i.e. not the religous variety) Has Lucas broken the ten commandments? We have found that Lucas attempted to kill his father, so probably Yes. But for the puzzle, the ten commandments are irrelevant. | ||
| Tigrebianca |
Did Lucas know he failed killing his father before hearing the bell? Was Lucas' father to rang the bell? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Did Lucas know he failed killing his father before hearing the bell? NO Was Lucas' father to rang the bell? YES | ||
| Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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Was Lucas' father ringing a bell to alert the local authorities? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Was Lucas' father ringing a bell to alert the local authorities? No | ||
| Kitral Solane (Solane)
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So Lucas realized his father was still alive when he heard him ring the (unnormal alarm?) bell? And that he would be executed for attempted murder? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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So Lucas realized his father was still alive when he heard him ring the (unnormal alarm? Yes) bell? Yes And that he would be executed for attempted murder? Yes | ||
| Robin Smith |
IS the method of attempted murder rellevant? Was it poison? Did hearing the bell let Lucas know that he had failed in trying to poison his father and as such would be found and killed? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Was the bell which Lucas' father rang a particular bell which Lucas knew well? A bell only his father would ring? A bell only his father would be allowed to ring? Do we need to find out Lucas' fathers occupation? Was he the mayor of the town? Did he rule over the town? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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IS the method of attempted murder rellevant? Yes Was it poison? Yes Did hearing the bell let Lucas know that he had failed in trying to poison his father and as such would be found and killed? Yes Was the bell which Lucas' father rang a particular bell which Lucas knew well? No A bell only his father would ring? Yes A bell only his father would be allowed to ring? No Do we need to find out Lucas' fathers occupation? Yes Was he the mayor of the town? No Did he rule over the town? Yope | ||
| Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Is the small bell attached to a door? Like a shop bell? a doorbell? Was it a bell that his father habitually rang to summon a servant? Was it the bell attached to a bellpull near his father's bed? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Is the small bell attached to a door? No Like a shop bell? No a doorbell? No Was it a bell that his father habitually rang to summon a servant? No Was it the bell attached to a bellpull Yes so far near his father's bed? No to this part | ||
| Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Ok, then, was the bellpull in his father's house? office? shop? Did it summon assistance in general? a nurse? or other medical person? an employee? was it to summon Lucas? Is the specific location of the bellpull relevant? is the location of the bell itself relevant? (for example, the bellpull is beside Lucas' father's chair in the study, and the bell itself is in the kitchen?) | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Ok, then, was the bellpull in his father's house? office? shop? All no Did it summon assistance in general? Yes a nurse? or other medical person? an employee? was it to summon Lucas? No Is the specific location of the bellpull relevant? Yes is the location of the bell itself relevant? Yes, but one will be clear if you know the other (for example, the bellpull is beside Lucas' father's chair in the study, and the bell itself is in the kitchen? No) | ||
| Marcus |
Did Lucas know that he had to die or his father had to die?? | ||
| Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Is the bellpull in a building? on the outside of a building? in an official building? in the city hall? at the town gates? in the town square? in another public place? on a vehicle? Same questions for the bell? Is the bell usually used to call someone? Is it used to get some specific person's (or some specific group's) attention? Is it used to get the public's attention? Is it used when Lucas' father comes to town? Does it signal for the streetfolk to make way for the Big Man's carriage? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Did Lucas know that he had to die or his father had to die?? Lucas had to die Is the bellpull in a building? No on the outside of a building? No in an official building? in the city hall? No at the town gates? No in the town square? No on a vehicle? No in another public place? The bell is in a public place which you did not mention, but the bellpull... Not really, its hard to tell. Same questions for the bell? See above Is the bell usually used to call someone? Yes Is it used to get some specific person's (or some specific group's) attention? Yes Is it used to get the public's attention? No Is it used when Lucas' father comes to town? No Does it signal for the streetfolk to make way for the Big Man's carriage? No | ||
| Marcus |
is the bell used to signal the attention of authority ie police??? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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is the bell used to signal the attention of authority ie police??? No | ||
| Mo (Hakkunamatata)
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Is Lucas Father a King or Some Nobel Man? So he is the one who would start the Event by ringing the bell? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Is Lucas Father a King No or Some Nobel Man? Yes So he is the one who would start the Event by ringing the bell? No | ||
| SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
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Is the event being celebrated an annual event? Weekly? Daily? Monthly? Is what the event is relevant except for the fact that it meant there were already bells ringing when Lucas heard the other bell? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Is the event being celebrated an annual event? Weekly? Daily? Monthly? No periodical event Is what the event is relevant except for the fact that it meant there were already bells ringing when Lucas heard the other bell? Yes, knowing the event will help you to find out about the bell | ||
| SmarterBrother (Mycroft)
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Is the event his fathers funeral? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Is the event his fathers funeral? YES | ||
| Clycking (Clycking)
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Does this have to do with the old practice of having a bellpull in the coffin, so a buried person could ring it (and be rescued) if he turned out to be alive? Is Lucas' father like a Pope? | ||
| Clycking (Clycking)
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In case the earlier post doesn't pan out: Are the "many bells" different from the one that joined in? For example, they were funeral bells, while the joining bell was used by the father to signal that he was alive? | ||
| Stefan and Philipp (Sobs)
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Does this have to do with the old practice of having a bellpull in the coffin, so a buried person could ring it (and be rescued) if he turned out to be alive? YES, very good Is Lucas' father like a Pope? In case the earlier post doesn't pan out: Are the "many bells" different from the one that joined in? For example, they were funeral bells, while the joining bell was used by the father to signal that he was alive? *************SPOILER************ The story took place in the 18th century. The bells were church bells and rang during the funeral of Lucas' father, the town's judge. He lew in one of these old-fashioned coffins which had a bell in case the decendent should come back back to live. Being keen on his money, Lucas had poisoned his father, but the poison was too weak: he woke up during the funeral and rang the bell. Lucas could be sure his father would sentence him to death. Thanks everyone for playing. A new puzzle will follow soon... |
