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Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 10:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In central Wellington, what was once an inspiring billboard advertisement is now painfully ironic. Explain.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 1:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi, Wiz!

Has the billboard itself changed?
the immediate surroundings of the billboard? Something that the billboard refers to?
something that the billboard calls to mind, but doesn't specifically refer to?
The product? or service? that the billboard advertises?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 01:53 pm:


Hi, Wiz! N'yello Rabrab! 'ow's tricks?

Has the billboard itself changed? no
the immediate surroundings of the billboard? no Something that the billboard refers to? yesish
something that the billboard calls to mind, but doesn't specifically refer to? yes, more so than the previous question
The product? no - but it's a productor service? no that the billboard advertises?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 9:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've moved, so everything is in more disarray than usual. But in general tricks is good. Yerself?

Has the product become less useful? less effective? more expensive? more difficult to get? or to use?

Is the billboard sort of a generic-type thing, as opposed to advertising a specific brand (like the "Got Milk?" billboards? or a "Ride the bus, save gas" type thing?)
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 12:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 09:18 am:


I've moved, so everything is in more disarray than usual. But in general tricks is good. Yerself? Hunched over dusty tomes and statutes, for now. Ocasionally nodding off to sleep and having fitful dreams of living the glamorous life of a civil servant

Has the product become less useful? no less effective? no more expensive? no more difficult to get? no or to use?no

Is the billboard sort of a generic-type thing, yes as opposed to advertising a specific brand (like the "Got Milk?" billboards? or a "Ride the bus, save gas" type thing?
Karla Rubinstein (Karla)
Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 1:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the fact that it's Wellington relevant?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Karla Rubinstein (Karla) on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 01:36 am:


Is the fact that it's Wellington relevant? yes
Kai Gersmann (Stupidbeaver)
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 12:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the irony based on a double meaning of a word/phrase on the billboard?
If yes, is it the product's name?
Is the word "jam"? *g*
Virendra Pratap Singh (Emptyhead)
Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the title of the puzzle relevant?
In central Wellington, what was once an inspiring billboard advertisement is now painfully ironic.
Will the situation remain the same if it were Shanghai or Auckland instead of Wellington?
Billboard is not inspiring now--
Is it because the product/service it was advertising has changed? The customers have changed? The customer taste has changed? Society has changed? Environment has changed? Global warming (proves I run out of question very soon)?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 12:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Kai Gersmann (Stupidbeaver) on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 12:34 pm:


Is the irony based on a double meaning of a word/phrase on the billboard? YES
If yes, is it the product's name? no
Is the word "jam"? *g* no

By Virendra Pratap Singh (Emptyhead) on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 08:21 pm:


Is the title of the puzzle relevant? No - It's a line from Alanis Morissette's 'Ironic' - given the puzzle is about irony and the things you see while driving, I thought it was apropos.
In central Wellington, what was once an inspiring billboard advertisement is now painfully ironic.
Will the situation remain the same if it were Shanghai or Auckland instead of Wellington? Shanghai no, Auckland yes
Billboard is not inspiring now--
Is it because the product/service it was advertising has changed? no The customers have changed? no The customer taste has changed? no Society has changed? yesish Environment has changed? no Global warming no (proves I run out of question very soon)?
Virendra Pratap Singh (Emptyhead)
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 7:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

About the product being advertised--
Is it some cosmetic? vehicle? food item? drink item? clothing? shoe? electronic item?
A famous brand? Famous outside NZ as well?
Does the phrase on billboard includes the brand name as well?
Did the billboard have a celebrity picture as well?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 5:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Virendra Pratap Singh (Emptyhead) on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:51 pm:

About the product being advertised--
Is it some food item? yes
A famous brand? FA Famous outside NZ as well? see above
Does the phrase on billboard includes the brand name as well? fa
Did the billboard have a celebrity picture as well? YES
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 6:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's a food item but not a brand?

So is it for a type of food?
If yes, beer? milk? cheese? butter? meat? bread? sugar? booze? candy? organic foods? canned foods? frozen foods? pickled foods? smoked foods?

If no, is it for an ingredient? Preservatives? yeast? salt? fat?

Is the celebrity endorsing the food item? Or is the celebrity issuing a warning about it? (a celebrity "don't drink and drive" campaign, maybe?)

It's ironic in Wellington, and would be ironic in Auckland, but it wouldn't be ironic in Shanghai. Would it be ironic in Darwin? how about London? New York? Los Angeles? Hong Kong?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 06:38 am:

It's a food item but not a brand? yes

So is it for meat? yes

Is the celebrity endorsing the food item? yes Or is the celebrity issuing a warning about it? (a celebrity "don't drink and drive" campaign, maybe?) no

It's ironic in Wellington, and would be ironic in Auckland, but it wouldn't be ironic in Shanghai. Would it be ironic in any of the cities I mentioned? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 2:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmm.

Hum.

And huh, even



Meat in general? or a specific meat? beef? pork? lamb? chicken? duck? veal? something else that I've missed? is the type of meat even relevant?

Is the Yes-ish change in society that has rendered it ironic related to the meat? if yes, the quality of the meat? the safety? the popularity meat? the availablity?

Or is the change related to the celebrity? their behavior in general? a specific action or actions? their popularity? their appearance? is the specific celebrity even relevant?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 3:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 02:28 pm:

Hmm. irrelevant

Hum. FA

And huh, even please rephrase the question


Meat in general? yesish or a specific meat? noish beef? yes pork? yes lamb? yes chicken? no duck? no veal? yes something else that I've missed? yes is the type of meat even relevant? yope - define 'type'

Is the Yes-ish change in society that has rendered it ironic related to the meat? no if yes, the quality of the meat? the safety? the popularity meat? the availablity? no to all

Or is the change related to the celebrity? YES their behavior in general? no a specific action or actions? YESISH their popularity? no their appearance? no is the specific celebrity even relevant? yes... but picking out the generic characteristics/history of the celebrity would suffice
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 4:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has the celebrity recently gone vegetarian? been rumored to have done odd things with the meat item in question? been accused of cruelty to animals? been revealed to have a financial interest in the meat-item industry in question?

The meat-item: sausage?

The -ish to "meat in general": Is the billboard about something related to meat, rather than meat itself? If yes: farming practices? slaughter practices? packaging practices? Kashrut relevant in any way? amount of meat generally consumed? cost of production? disposal of farm waste?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 04:19 am:

Has the celebrity recently gone vegetarian? no been rumored to have done odd things with the meat item in question? *snicker* no been accused of cruelty to animals? no been revealed to have a financial interest in the meat-item industry in question? no

The meat-item: sausage? no, more general

The -ish to "meat in general": Is the billboard about something related to meat, rather than meat itself? no If yes: farming practices? slaughter practices? packaging practices? Kashrut relevant in any way? amount of meat generally consumed? cost of production? disposal of farm waste? N/A
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 8:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why I'm still up and online at 2:15 in the morning is a mystery to me, but since I am, I'll blither blearily onwards...

Was the celebrity in question a particularly apt one for the meat-item before? Are they no longer an appropriate spokesman? Is that where the irony lies?

Was the message of the billboard that lean meat is perfectly fine to eat? Or maybe I should get even more basic -- is the billboard's message pro-meat or anti-meat?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 8:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 08:18 am:

Why I'm still up and online at 2:15 in the morning is a mystery to me, but since I am, I'll blither blearily onwards... If, in order to replenish one's energy reserves and ensure the preservation of sharpness of mind, one had to do lateral puzzles for 8 hours a day, the world would be a much better place

Was the celebrity in question a particularly apt one for the meat-item before? yope - explore Are they no longer an appropriate spokesman? yope - explore Is that where the irony lies? yes

Was the message of the billboard that lean meat is perfectly fine to eat? no Or maybe I should get even more basic -- is the billboard's message pro-meat or anti-meat? pro-meat
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 9:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Drat. I know what I want to ask, but I can't make the words string together coherently.

So the celebrity did something which rendered them a non-appropriate spokesman. Was the thing they did generally socially acceptable? Generally socially unacceptable? Would it have been socially acceptable had they not been the spokeman for this meat-item? if they were not a celebrity? would it have made them ineffective as a spokesman for any type of food product? any type of product at all?

Is the gender of the celebrity relevant at all? if yes, are they male? or female?

Is the age of the celebrity relevant? If yes, are they a child? a teenager? a young adult (20 to 25)? an adult? a senior citizen? geriatric?

Is what they are a celebrity for relevant? if yes, are they an entertainer? a politician? a sports figure? a business figure?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 7:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has the celebrity now got mad cow disease?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 09:30 am:

Drat. I know what I want to ask, but I can't make the words string together coherently. s'OK. 7 years on this board have made me fluent in Lathead

So the celebrity did something which rendered them a non-appropriate spokesman. no Was the thing they did generally socially acceptable? yes Generally socially unacceptable? no Would it have been socially acceptable had they not been the spokeman for this meat-item? no if they were not a celebrity? no would it have made them ineffective as a spokesman for any type of food product? no any type of product at all? no

Is the gender of the celebrity relevant at all? no if yes, are they male? or female? For the record, it's a female

Is the age of the celebrity relevant? If yes, are they a child? a teenager? a young adult (20 to 25)? an adult? <-- This a senior citizen? geriatric?

Is what they are a celebrity for relevant? very if yes, are they an entertainer? a politician? a sports figure? YES a business figure?

By Lynne (Lynne) on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 07:22 pm:

Has the celebrity now got mad cow disease? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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So the celebrity did something which rendered them a non-appropriate spokesman. no

Hmmm. Was something done to the celebrity by another person which rendered her a no-longer-appropriate spokeman? by more than one person? by an organized group? by a non-person agent? (a germ? a microbe? an animal? a vehicle? a plant?)
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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Hmmm. Was something done to the celebrity by another person which rendered her a no-longer-appropriate spokeman? no by more than one person? by an organized group? by a non-person agent? (a germ? a microbe? an animal? a vehicle? a plant?) n/a

Remember the answer to 'appropriate spokesman' was a YOPE, not a yes
Mosquito (Mosquito)
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Did something happen to the celebrity's health -- like a heart attack?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Mosquito (Mosquito) on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 07:18 am:

Did something happen to the celebrity's health -- like a heart attack? no
Beth Page
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There used to be a diet product named AIDS, or maybe AYDS. Could it be someone showing how much weight he/she lost with AIDS? (But I don't know how Wellington fits in there....)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 7:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Never let it be said that I can't take a hint when it's applied vigorously right between my eyes...

So, if she was yope-ishly an appropriate spokeman:

Was she appropriate, but not a spokesman?
A spokesman, but not appropriate?
Not entirely appropriate?
Only appropriate for part of the audience?
Appropriate if only part of her career was taken into account?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 7:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

oh, I'm slow today.

It's very relevant that she's a sports figure; are doping, steroids, or "performance enhancing drugs" relevant at all?

Is she a human sports figure? If not, is she a horse? a dog?

If she is, is what her sport is relevant? y'know, I bet if I tried real hard, I could squeeze another "is" into that sentence
If yes, is her sport: soccer/football? track? field? baseball? basketball? equestrian? swimming? diving? gymnastics? volleyball? bowling?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 8:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anything to do with meat animals being fed steroids and the athlete later being discovered to have takrn steroids?

Was the person suddenly rendered a very apropriate spokeswoman?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Beth Page on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 05:27 pm:

There used to be a diet product named AIDS, or maybe AYDS. Could it be someone showing how much weight he/she lost with AIDS? (But I don't know how Wellington fits in there....) Or, indeed, meat products. Still, nice situation, assuming a product called AIDS would pass QC. That said, I still buy Golden Circle SARS in a can from the uni shop on a semi-regular basis. Thanks, Australia!

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 07:07 pm:

Never let it be said that I can't take a hint when it's applied vigorously right between my eyes... Sorry, I didn't mean to be brusque

So, if she was yope-ishly an appropriate spokeman:

Was she... *bobbit*
Appropriate if only part of her career was taken into account? YES!

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 07:15 pm:

oh, I'm slow today.

It's very relevant that she's a sports figure; absolutement are doping, steroids, or "performance enhancing drugs" relevant at all? no

Is she a human sports figure? yes If not, is she a horse? a dog? No, she's quite pretty

If she is, is what her sport is relevant? no y'know, I bet if I tried real hard, I could squeeze another "is" into that sentence My sis is Isis. Isis is Israeli. La and Fie.
If yes, is her sport: soccer/football? track? field? baseball? basketball? equestrian? swimming? diving? gymnastics? volleyball? bowling? none of the above

By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 08:39 pm:

Anything to do with meat animals being fed steroids and the athlete later being discovered to have takrn steroids? no

Was the person suddenly rendered a very apropriate spokeswoman? no
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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To perhaps clarify a previous answer, her specific sport is not relevant (aside from being used to uncover her identity), but she would not have found herself in the position she is now in had she chosen any sport in existence. There is a specific, albeit broad, list of sports which would allow this puzzle to occur
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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No worries. You weren't brusque. I was feeling rather foolish for merrily ignoring the "yope."

The relevant part of her sports career: her win/loss record? her training regimen? an action? or motion? that she has to perform while playing her sport? the progress of her career (amateur to semi-pro to pro? or something like that?) the length of her career?

Is she a celebrity outside of New Zealand? outside of Australasia? outside of Oceania and Eastern Asia? outside of Eurasia? Would us benighted Noth Americans consider her a celebrity? Would we be likely to even recognize her name?

Tennis?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 01:23 am:

No worries. You weren't brusque. I was feeling rather foolish for merrily ignoring the "yope."

The relevant part of her sports career: her win/loss record? her training regimen? an action? or motion? that she has to perform while playing her sport? the progress of her career (amateur to semi-pro to pro? or something like that?) the length of her career? none of these

Is she a celebrity outside of New Zealand? In the circles of her chosen sport, yes, but not to the demi-goddess-esque extent she is over here outside of Australasia? outside of Oceania and Eastern Asia? outside of Eurasia? Would us benighted Noth Americans consider her a celebrity? most probably not Would we be likely to even recognize her name? Given that she's not the All Blacks, I would imagine not

Tennis? no
Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Did she gain weight? Was the billboard ad for some very fat kind of meat product?
Is the meat product pie?
Does her sport involve a ball? water? animals? bats/rackets? running? a net? Is it a team sport? some kind of martial arts? a kind of sport where you are on your own against several competitors (like running or skiing)? a winter sport? some sport which is said to burn a lot of calories?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 01:40 pm:

Did she gain weight? no Was the billboard ad for some very fat kind of meat product? no
Is the meat product pie? no, more general
Does her sport involve a ball? water? animals? bats/rackets? running? a net? none of these Is it a team sport? sometimes some kind of martial arts? no a kind of sport where you are on your own against several competitors (like running or skiing)? yes, usually a winter sport? not specifically some sport which is said to burn a lot of calories? yes
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Was the relevant occurance in her career:
that she won something? (a game? an award? a tournament? a prize? a position on a national or Olympic team?)
that she lost something? (same list, please?)
that she was disqualified for something?
did she retire from her sport?
come out of retirement?
set a record?
break someone else's record?
is her "personal best" relevant?
introducing some innovation into her sport? (like Fosbury, changing the whole face of high jumping, way back when?)

Would most people (90%+) in the benighted country in which I live (the US) known about her sport? many people? many people (75%+)? some people (50%+)? a few people (25%+)? very few people (15% or fewer)?

Is is an Olympic sport? Does it require equipment?

And the meat product:

Is it generally perceived to be good for you?
bad for you? Is it ordinarily found in the refrigerated meat department? on a shelf? (like canned stew, potted meat, or hash?) at a butcher shop? in a deli? Is it sold in bulk? ("I'll have 2 1/2 pounds of the sweet italian sausage, please" or does it come from the processor's prepackaged? ("Don't forget to get a package of bologna."
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 02:21 am:

Was the relevant occurance in her career:
that she won something? no (a game? an award? a tournament? a prize? a position on a national or Olympic team?) n/a to all
that she lost something? yes (same list, please?) yes to a game, YES to a prize
that she was disqualified for something?
did she retire from her sport?
come out of retirement?
set a record?
break someone else's record?
is her "personal best" relevant?
introducing some innovation into her sport? (like Fosbury, changing the whole face of high jumping, way back when?) no to all

Would most people (90%+) in the benighted country in which I live (the US) known about her sport? Yes. many people? many people (75%+)? some people (50%+)? a few people (25%+)? very few people (15% or fewer)?

Is is an Olympic sport? YES Does it require equipment? yes

And the meat product:

Is it generally perceived to be good for you? yes
bad for you? this too Is it ordinarily found in the refrigerated meat department? yes on a shelf? yes (like canned stew, potted meat, or hash?) at a butcher shop? yes in a deli? yes Is it sold in bulk? yes ("I'll have 2 1/2 pounds of the sweet italian sausage, please" or does it come from the processor's prepackaged? yes("Don't forget to get a package of bologna."
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Hmmmm. Lots of pieces, no clue how they go together...

The sport: Karate? Judo? one of the other martial arts? Fencing? Ice skating? Gymnastics?

Did she lose an Olympic medal that she was expected to win?

The meat product: is it preserved in some way? pickled? smoked? brined? Cold cuts in general? precooked meat dishes?

Is the irony based on a double meaning of a word/phrase on the billboard? YES "gold"? "champion"? "top"?
Michael Smith
Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 7:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okay, Im new here...

Does this have to do with beef?
As in Beef Wellington?
Does this have to do with Mad Cow Disease?
Beef MEDALLIONS?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 03:30 am:

Hmmmm. Lots of pieces, no clue how they go together...

The sport: Karate? Judo? one of the other martial arts? Fencing? Ice skating? Gymnastics? no to all

Did she lose an Olympic medal that she was expected to win? YOPE!

The meat product: is it preserved in some way? pickled? smoked? brined? Cold cuts in general? precooked meat dishes? more general

Is the irony based on a double meaning of a word/phrase on the billboard? YES "gold"? YES! "champion"? "top"?

By Michael Smith on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 07:50 pm:

Okay, Im new here... Welcome to the LTPF! May your stay be long, enjoyable and generally counter-productive in the extreme :)

Does this have to do with beef? among other things
As in Beef Wellington? no
Does this have to do with Mad Cow Disease? In New Zealand? Wash your mouth out, young man! (no)
Beef MEDALLIONS? no

I like the way your mind works
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 7:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Michael! Welcome.

The YOPE on "lose a gold medal she was expected to win": she wasn't expected to win it?

Was the billboard for a meat-packing/processing company, but not for any of their products in particular? (Around here, something like Oscar Meyer, Hormel, Tyson or Swift. I don't have any idea what the equivalent companies are in NZ.) Some sort of general meat-promotion organization?

"Go for the gold?" "Gold standard?"
Michael Smith (Endeffect)
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Does this have anything to do with Central Otago and the Political move in 1861 to shift the capital of NZ to Wellington over Gold concerns?

I love google
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
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Was the billboard a general endorsement for "red meat" ?

Was her sport shooting? archery? cycling?
Was there a reference to her sport in the billboard? If so, was this part of the irony?

Is a specific Olympics result relevant here? (from Athens 2004?)
Did she win a medal she was not expected to?

The ironic wording featuring gold- anything to do with:
Gold medal/s? (medallion/s?)
Gold mine? Gold rush? Heart of gold?
Going for gold? Taking the gold? Bringing back the gold?
Golden performance? Golden girl? "Golden" anything else?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 07:36 am:


Hi Michael! Welcome.

The YOPE on "lose a gold medal she was expected to win": she wasn't expected to win it? incorrect

Was the billboard for a meat-packing/processing company, but not for any of their products in particular? no(Around here, something like Oscar Meyer, Hormel, Tyson or Swift. I don't have any idea what the equivalent companies are in NZ.) Some sort of general meat-promotion organization? no

"Go for the gold?" "Gold standard?" neither of these

By Michael Smith (Endeffect) on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 05:17 pm:


Does this have anything to do with Central Otago and the Political move in 1861 to shift the capital of NZ to Wellington over Gold concerns? no

I love google I find google, in this context, to be ethically questionable

By Damien Sullivan (Docd) on Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 09:01 am:


Was the billboard a general endorsement for "red meat" ? YES

Was her sport *snip* cycling? yes
Was there a reference to her sport in the billboard? no If so, was this part of the irony? n/a

Is a specific Olympics result relevant here? (from Athens 2004?) no
Did she win a medal she was not expected to? NO

The ironic wording featuring gold- anything to do with:
Gold medal/s? YES (medallion/s?)
Gold mine? Gold rush? Heart of gold?
Going for gold? Taking the gold? Bringing back the gold?
Golden performance? Golden girl? yes, to a lesser extent "Golden" anything else? no to all others
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
Posted on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 12:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sarah Ulmer?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Damien Sullivan (Docd) on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 12:22 pm:


Sarah Ulmer? In the immortal words of mr. Robert Williams, She's the one :)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Huh. You're right. I've never heard of her.

'red meat'+'gold medal'+'golden girl'(ish) = ?? I have no idea.

She wasn't an inappropriate spokesman, but was her spokesmanship considered inappropriate?
Laura Kozma (Lkozma)
Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 8:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she win silver? bronze? Did she place at all? Did she even participate in the Olympics?
rebecca
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advertisement for red meat in general?

is nutrition important?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 01:58 am:


Huh. You're right. I've never heard of her. Not a new phenomenon over here. I think our last globally iconic resident was Shrek the sheep. Yaaaay.

'red meat'+'gold medal'+'golden girl'(ish) = ?? I have no idea. no to the specific equation, YES to the fact that the board invoked a pseudo-alchemical equation

She wasn't an inappropriate spokesman, but was her spokesmanship considered inappropriate? YOPE

By Laura Kozma (Lkozma) on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 08:50 pm:


Did she win silver? no bronze? no Did she place at all? NO Did she even participate in the Olympics? NO

By rebecca on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 09:27 pm:


advertisement for red meat in general? yes

is nutrition important? no
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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Is the reason that she didn't participate in the Olympics relevant?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Something like
the meat product+exercise=win gold metal?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
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Having recently got back from living in Wellington for a while this seems like an appropriate puzzle to enter into!

Okay, Sarah has been a gold medal winner in the past? but didn't win gold or any other medal at the olympics/commonwealth games? but was expected to?

Is the word 'red' used in the advert? Is she said to have given the meat her 'gold seal of approval'? Is a bicycle pictured on the advert with Sarah? relevant?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 12:52 pm:


Is the reason that she didn't participate in the Olympics relevant? Perhaps a blooper correction is in order. She, in fact, _has_ participated (successfully) in recent Olympic games. This is not, in itself, why the billboard is ironic

By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 10:35 pm:


Something like
the meat product+exercise=win gold metal? no

By Sam Greene (Pandora) on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 12:56 am:


Having recently got back from living in Wellington for a while this seems like an appropriate puzzle to enter into!

Okay, Sarah has been a gold medal winner in the past? YES but didn't win gold or any other medal at the olympics/no commonwealth games? YES! but was expected to? YES

Is the word 'red' used in the advert? no Is she said to have given the meat her 'gold seal of approval'? no, but explore this line Is a bicycle pictured on the advert with Sarah? no relevant? no
Sam Greene (Pandora)
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Is there some sort of pun involved in the advertising slogan? Would the billboard still be ironic Sarah had won a silver or a bronze medal?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
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Did she say something like "Blagh" meat product will gave you a gold metal performance? Then she didn't win a gold metal?
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
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Is the irony related to her non-performance at the 2006 (Melbourne) Commonwealth games?

(Factual enquiry) Did she compete in the C'Wealth Games at all?

Did the billboard ad appear between her gold medal and world record at the Athens olympics, and the 2006 C'Wealth Games?

Is the iron content of red meat relevant here? Some other nutrient of red meat?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Sam Greene (Pandora) on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 01:35 am:


Is there some sort of pun involved in the advertising slogan? yes Would the billboard still be ironic Sarah had won a silver or a bronze medal? no

By Kitral Solane (Solane) on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 02:36 am:


Did she say something like "Blagh" meat product (which we have established and re-established is red meat in general) will gave you a gold metal performance? no Then she didn't win a gold metal? no

By Damien Sullivan (Docd) on Sunday, July 02, 2006 - 06:43 am:


Is the irony related to her non-performance at the 2006 (Melbourne) Commonwealth games? YES

(Factual enquiry) Did she compete in the C'Wealth Games at all? yes

Did the billboard ad appear between her gold medal and world record at the Athens olympics, and the 2006 C'Wealth Games? YES!

Is the iron content of red meat relevant here? YES!! Some other nutrient of red meat? no

You've seen it, haven't you? :P
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
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No I haven't. Seriously :)

Was her performance at Melbourne affected by iron deficiency?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
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"Red Meat gives you iron, Iron gives you gold medal stamina? Is any part of that correct? close to correct? In the right forest? not entirely, pathetically, wrong? If so, which part?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
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Is the fact that Iron and Gold are two elements relevent? and their weight in the periodic table? i.e. "Sarah is worth her weight in Gold"?
Christiane Scharf (0815)
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Something about turning iron into gold?
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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By Christiane Scharf (0815) on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 01:12 pm:


Something about turning iron into gold? Exactly that

***** SPOILER *****

The Billboard read 'Turn Iron into Gold' and had a picture of Sarah Ulmer.

This was an icon of national pride after Sarah's world-record-setting cycle at the 2004 olympics, but painfully ironic after Sarah, as with over half our commonwealth games team, walked away with a 4th place at Melbourne 2006, having been expected to win.
Steve Wort (Wizardofnz)
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Interestingly, they still haven't bothered to take it down.
Damien Sullivan (Docd)
Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 2:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One of the few ironies that actually involves iron

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