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rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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These are not them!

What are they?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
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Lord Lucan and Shergar?
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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Lord Lucan and Shergar? certainly not
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How disapointing :(

Okay are 'these' human? non-human animals? animate objetcs? inanimate objects? tangible?

Them = human? non-human animals? animate objetcs? inanimate objects? tangible?

Were 'these' supposed to be 'them'?
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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Okay are 'these' human? yes non-human animals? animate objetcs? inanimate objects? tangible? no to the rest

Them = human? yes non-human animals? animate objetcs? inanimate objects? tangible? no to the rest

Were 'these' supposed to be 'them'? yes
Sam Greene (Pandora)
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presumably 'these' and 'them' are groups of people? specific groups i.e. The Masons?
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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presumably 'these' and 'them' are groups of people? yes specific groups i.e. The Masons? yes, but NO to the example
Sam Greene (Pandora)
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Are they two different groups are are they linked in some way?


Are the religious groups?
Famous people?
Groups of people who work in the same profession?
Groups you would find all over the world? in a particular country?

Relevent how many people belong to each of these groups?
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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Are they two different groups are are they linked in some way? yes


Are the religious groups? no
Famous people? no
Groups of people who work in the same profession? noish
Groups you would find all over the world? noin a particular country? no

Relevent how many people belong to each of these groups? yope
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Is it relevant how many people were in the 'these' group? 'them' group?
rebecca kreisler (Beccaann)
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Is it relevant how many people were in the 'these' group? 'them' group? only relative to each other
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
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Has this died? Do I need to post a $p01ler and get it off the board?
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Are there more of these than of them?
Are there more of them than of these?
Are there the same number of each?
Relevant?

Are there any members common to both groups?
Are "these" a well known group?
Are "them" a well known group?
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
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Are there more of these than of them? no
Are there more of them than of these? no
Are there the same number of each? yes
Relevant? yes

Are there any members common to both groups? no
Are "these" a well known group? no
Are "them" a well known group? yope
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Disney relevent? Dineyland? Disney World? Radio Disney? Walt Disney? Disney TV Station? Any specific aspect of Disney? Spinoff/parody of Disney?
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
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Disney relevent? Dineyland? Disney World? Radio Disney? Walt Disney? Disney TV Station? Any specific aspect of Disney? Spinoff/parody of Disney? no to all, although this last one is OTRT
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Spinoff? Parody? You thought you were getting the real thing, but you got a parody instead? Like a Big Dogs teeshirt instead of a Matrix one for example?
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California relevent? Title relevent at all?
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
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Spinoff? no Parody? yes You thought you were getting the real thing, but you got a parody instead? noish Like a Big Dogs teeshirt instead of a Matrix one for example? no

California relevent? no Title relevent at all? yes, but I wouldn't focus on it--more likely to mislead than help
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Were you buying something? Going to see something? With someone else?
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Bands/ music groups?
Number of people in each group{insert LTPF list of numbers here}?
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Were you buying something? no Going to see something? no With someone else? no
There is an FA here, I believe



Bands/ music groups? no
Number of people in each group{insert LTPF list of numbers here}? 4 in each
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Do all the members of either group belong to the same profession? Are they friends? Relatives?
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Do all the members of either group belong to the same profession? yope? Are they friends? yope Relatives? no
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Were These actively parodying Them?
Were These paying tribute to Them?
Entertainment industry relevant?
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Were These actively parodying Them? yes-ISH
Were These paying tribute to Them? noish
Entertainment industry relevant? yes
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That yes-ISH...
Were They intentionally parodying Them?
In a good-natured way?
Or a mocking way?
Were They attempting to emulate Them? If so, would it be deemed a good likeness?
Or a bad one?
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That yes-ISH...
Were They intentionally parodying Them? yes, with the same ish
In a good-natured way? not exactly this
Or a mocking way? but NOT this
Were They attempting to emulate Them? yes If so, would it be deemed a good likeness? no
Or a bad one? yes
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Are They (and by implication, Them) a musical group?
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Are They (and by implication, Them) a musical group? no
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(That's my Bjorn Again theory out of the window then!)
An entertainment group of some kind -
Dance?
Theatre?
Magic?
Circus?
Is the puzzle statement being made by someone viewing These?
Is the statement one of
Shock?
Anger?
Humour?
Disgust?
Upset?
Does the statement mean "I thought I was about to see Them, and These are someone else"? Or "These are not as good as Them"?
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(That's my Bjorn Again theory out of the window then!)
An entertainment group of some kind - no or FA
Dance?
Theatre? this is closest
Magic?
Circus? but none of these
Is the puzzle statement being made by someone viewing These? yes, for svv of viewing
Is the statement one of
Shock? yes
Anger? yes
Humour? no
Disgust? yes
Upset? yes
Does the statement mean "I thought I was about to see Them, and These are someone else"? Or "These are not as good as Them"? yes to both
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Were the persons being viewed
a musical group?
a purely singing group?
an group of actors?
other entertainment?
were the imitating
a musical group?
a purely singing group?
a group of actors?
other entertainment?
(Think this is covered, but just to clarify) -Did the person saying the statement actually expect to be seeing the genuine article?
And was shocked,angry,disgusted & upset at the low-quality act she saw?
Were the substitutes standing in for the originals? At the request of the originals?
Was this an advertised entertainment? Billed like "(the Smith brothers in a tribute to) THE BEACH BOYS?" kind of thing?
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Were the persons being viewed
a musical group?no
a purely singing group?no
an group of actors?yesish
other entertainment?no
were the imitating
a musical group?no
a purely singing group?no
a group of actors?yesish
other entertainment?no
(Think this is covered, but just to clarify) -Did the person saying the statement actually expect to be seeing the genuine article?yes
And was shocked,angry,disgusted & upset at the low-quality act she saw?noish to FA
Were the substitutes standing in for the originals?yes At the request of the originals?yesish
Was this an advertised entertainment? FA Billed like "(the Smith brothers in a tribute to) THE BEACH BOYS?" kind of thing?no
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The person saying the statement was looking at the 'fake' actors, correct?
Were the fake actors performing at the time? Were they acting in something which the 'real' actors have performed in previously?
Were the fake actors pretending to be the real actors? Or just acting the same parts as the real actors?
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The person saying the statement was looking at the 'fake' actors, correct? yes
Were the fake actors performing at the time? yes Were they acting in something which the 'real' actors have performed in previously? no
Were the fake actors pretending to be the real actors? yes Or just acting the same parts as the real actors? this too
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Were they acting in something which the 'real' actors have performed in previously? no ......make this, noish...yesish for svv of previously
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I'll rephrase as best I can
Did the real actors at some time in the past, perform a piece which the fake actors are now performing?
Do the real actors at the time of the puzzle, perform a piece which the fake actors are performing?
Were the fake actors actually stand-ins for the real actors on the night in question?
Were the original four:-
One man and three women?
Two men, two women?
Three men, one woman?
Four men?
Some combination of men/women/animals?
Same questions for the fake four
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Did the real actors at some time in the past, perform a piece which the fake actors are now performing? no
Do the real actors at the time of the puzzle, perform a piece which the fake actors are performing? yesish
Were the fake actors actually stand-ins for the real actors on the night in question? yesish
Were the original four:-
One man and three women?
Two men, two women? this, with a tiny ish
Three men, one woman?
Four men?
Some combination of men/women/animals? you could also say this
Same questions for the fake foursame answers

there is a smallish FA here, I'm afraid, and I think some of my answers may mislead slightly as long as it's still around
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Are any animals part of the fake act? of the real act?
Are any children part of the fake act? of the real act?
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Are any puppets part of the fake act? Part of the real act?
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Are any animals part of the fake act? yope of the real act? yope
Are any children part of the fake act? of the real act? no to both


Are any puppets part of the fake act? Part of the real act? no to both
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Are the four actors in the fake act all humans?
Are any of them playing the part of animals?
Is the ganuine performance: -
a comedy?
straight acting?
Opera?
Ballet?
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Did the fake actors wear masks? Did the real actors wear masks? Animal masks? Cartoon character masks?
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Are the four actors in the fake act all humans?yope
Are any of them playing the part of animals?noish to yope
Is the ganuine performance: -
a comedy? yes
straight acting?not sure what you mean by this
Opera? no
Ballet? no
Did the fake actors wear masks? yope Did the real actors wear masks? yope Animal masks?yope Cartoon character masks? no

these are really hard to answer, mainly because of an FA...I'll tell you that the FA regards not only the nature of the actors, but that of the so-called "viewer" making the puzzle statement.
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Is the viewer in fact a listener?
Is this play audio only? a radio play?
Did the speakers of the characters change?
Is dubbing relevant?
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Is the viewer in fact a listener? no
Is this play audio only? no and FA a radio play? no and FA
Did the speakers of the characters change?yope
Is dubbing relevant?no
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Are the fake actors witnessed in person? on screen? in a book/magazine? in a comic book?
Is the term "play" the FA?
Appearance of the fake actors relevant?
Voice of the fake actors relevant?
Movements of the fake actors relevant?
The fake actors:
human? alive? made of flesh & blood?
The real actors:
human? alive? made of flesh & blood?
The viewer:
human? alive? made of flesh & blood?
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Are any of the characters (characters being played rather than the actors): -
Animals?
Cartoon characters?
non-human characters?
Is the viewer:-
Human?
Animal?
Cartoon?
Other?
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Are the fake actors witnessed in person? yeson screen? noish in a book/magazine? noin a comic book? no
Is the term "play" the FA? yes
Appearance of the fake actors relevant?yes
Voice of the fake actors relevant? no
Movements of the fake actors relevant? yesish
The fake actors:
human? yes, but also yesish alive? yes made of flesh & blood? yes
The real actors:
human? yes, but also yesish alive? yes made of flesh & blood? yes
The viewer:
human? yes alive? yesmade of flesh & blood?yes
Are any of the characters (characters being played rather than the actors): -
Animals? yope
Cartoon characters? no
non-human characters? yope
Is the viewer:-
Human? yes
Animal? no
Cartoon? no
Other?no

some of these are REALLY hard to answer...
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Humans with animal-like features relevant? e.g. the elephant-man? Davy Jones?
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Humans with animal-like features relevant? e.g. the elephant-man? Davy Jones? neither of these, but something like that
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Fictional humanoids? Like werewolves? Dr.Moreau creatures?
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Fictional humanoids? yope Like werewolves? Dr.Moreau creatures? neither of these---indentifying the exact "humanoid" will require pinpointing what, specifically, the actors are acting in
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Are the fake actors in costume? If so, does the costume consist of standard clothing (i.e. shoes / trousers or skirt / top, though obviously in character)? Or more of a one-piece costume?
erm... Wizard of Oz relevant?
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Are the fake actors in costume? yes If so, does the costume consist of standard clothing (i.e. shoes / trousers or skirt / top, though obviously in character)? Or more of a one-piece costume? yes and no
erm... Wizard of Oz relevant?no
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Are the fake actors: -
In period costume?
In futuristic costume?
In fantasy costumes, e.g. witches, wizards?
in animal costumes?
In robot costumes?
In Banana Splits costumes?
In costumes in which it is impossible to see their faces?
Are the costumes meant to represent some characters played by the original actors?
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Are the fake actors: -
In period costume? no
In futuristic costume? yesish
In fantasy costumes, e.g. witches, wizards?no
in animal costumes? yope
In robot costumes? no
In Banana Splits costumes?no
In costumes in which it is impossible to see their faces? no
Are the costumes meant to represent some characters played by the original actors?yesish
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Do the Yesish and Yope refer to the fact that some members of the four are in some type of costume, and others aren't (? or are in another type of costume?)
If so,
is it true that 1/2/3/4 of the fake actors are in futuristic dress?
Is it true that 1/2/3/4 of the fake actors are in animal costume
Is this a children's entertainment?
An entertainment primarily for adults?
Red Dwarf relevant?
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I feel like we're going to be hung up forever on all these yesishes and yopes...so I'll say this:

"Real actors" characters are 1 male human, 1 female human, 1 male humanish, and one female humanish, and the "fake actors" are imitating the "real actors" characters, however well or poorly they may be pulling it off.
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does this have anything to do with the "cartoon characters" that can be seen roaming about the park?
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does this have anything to do with the "cartoon characters" that can be seen roaming about the park?no
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Ok, so there is a group of four performing some act, correct? And presumably from the statement made, not too well?
Would they be said to be generally poor performers in themselves? Or just poor imitations of the real thing?
Were there a specific four 'original' performers, who the fakes are emulating?
Or four well-known characters being emulated?
Age of the speaker relevant? (if so, I'm sure I've got a list of numbers here somewhere... :-))
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Ok, so there is a group of four performing some act, correct?yesish And presumably from the statement made, not too well?yesish
Would they be said to be generally poor performers in themselves? Or just poor imitations of the real thing? this
Were there a specific four 'original' performers, who the fakes are emulating?yes
Or four well-known characters being emulated?and yes, at least to the speaker
Age of the speaker relevant? no(if so, I'm sure I've got a list of numbers here somewhere... )
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Hint in white:
the specific job of the so-called "fake actors" and the job of the speaker are very relevant, as is the specific "act" they are performing
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Are the four characters being portrayed from a film? TV series?
Are the four fake actors (possibly misguided) fans of the original four actors who just happen to enjoy performing as them?
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Is the speaker someone who assesses performing acts as part of thier job? Or simply a fan of the originals ?
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Are the four characters being portrayed from a film? yes TV series? no
Are the four fake actors (possibly misguided) fans of the original four actors who just happen to enjoy performing as them? no

Is the speaker someone who assesses performing acts as part of thier job? no Or simply a fan of the originals ? NO
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So, not a fan of the originals, and even less happy with the low-quality copies?
Are the fake actors, at the time of the statement, acting on stage? acting on screen? acting on TV? acting in the street?
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Title relevant?
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Are any of the four characters (the male & female human and the male & female humanishs) related to each other?
Are they the main characters in the film?
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So, not a fan of the originals, and even less happy with the low-quality copies? yesish
Are the fake actors, at the time of the statement, acting on stage? no acting on screen? yes acting on TV? no acting in the street?no
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Is the person saying the statement watching a film of the fake actors? Is he connected with the film industry?
Are the fake, human-ish characters: -
part human, part animal?
fantasy creatures, such as werewolves? Vampires? Ghosts?
Androids?
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Is the person saying the statement watching a film of the fake actors? no Is he connected with the film industry? yesish
Are the fake, human-ish characters: -
part human, part animal? yes for one, no for the other
fantasy creatures, such as werewolves? Vampires? Ghosts?
Androids?yes for the other!
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Hi everyone!
Is it correct that of the the original actors:
1. One man was playing a male human?
2. one woman was playing a female human?
3. one was playing an animal? Is the sort of animal relevant? Is this one a man?
4. one was playing a fantasy figure? Is the sort of fantasy figure relevant?
Is the relationship between these four relevant? e.g. are the two humans a couple?
Was it a nonrecurring performance? Done by professionals?
Would you answer the same questions for the fake actors (any differences)?

Is it right that the observer first saw the original 'performance' on the screen (in the cinema?) and later a live performance of the fake actors?
Was it his task to judge this second performance?
Are the original actors or the original performance well known?
Is the lack of quality of the second performance mainly due to:
the actors?
the costumes?
the scene?
the fact that this second performance is not on film?
the taste of the observer?
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Hi everyone!
Is it correct that of the the original actors:
1. One man was playing a male human?yes
2. one woman was playing a female human?yes
3. one was playing an animal? yope Is the sort of animal relevant? yesish Is this one a man?yes
4. one was playing a fantasy figure? noish Is the sort of fantasy figure relevant?{we've astablished there is an android character}
Is the relationship between these four relevant?yope e.g. are the two humans a couple?no
Was it a nonrecurring performance? yes Done by professionals?yes
Would you answer the same questions for the fake actors (any differences)?yes, and yes there is a key difference--which is what makes them "fake"

Is it right that the observer first saw the original 'performance' on the screen (in the cinema?) and later a live performance of the fake actors?NO
Was it his task to judge this second performance?no
Are the original actors or the original performance well known?yes
Is the lack of quality of the second performance mainly due to:
the actors?a bit of this
the costumes?this, mainly
the scene?
the fact that this second performance is not on film?NO
the taste of the observer?no
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The fake actors do the performance professionally?
Was the observer part of the original actors? or has he at least a connection to them?
Is it probable that I have heard of the original performance before? Took it place in the USA? If so, is it well known abroad? (I can't think of any performance including a half animal and an android).
Did the fake actors use the original costumes?
Was the original performance in public? or rather private?
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The fake actors do the performance professionally?yes
Was the observer part of the original actors? hmmm...yope--not one of the 4 or has he at least a connection to them?yes
Is it probable that I have heard of the original performance before?yes Took it place in the USA? i believe soIf so, is it well known abroad? not sure(I can't think of any performance including a half animal and an android).could be because of a still lingering FA--remember this is a screen performance
Did the fake actors use the original costumes?no
Was the original performance in public? or rather private?um, private or FA
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Is anyone of the original actors part of the fake actors?
Is there any other person relevant (apart from the cited original and fake actors and the observer)?
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Is anyone of the original actors part of the fake actors? no
Is there any other person relevant (apart from the cited original and fake actors and the observer)?yesish...relevant but not extremely important
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Does some transmogrification of characters take place in the original performance? Or some computer-generated wizardry to make a person look part-animal? or part-android?
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Does some transmogrification of characters take place in the original performance?no Or some computer-generated wizardry to make a person look part-animal? or part-android?no
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Was the observer part of the original performance? Or a director? Producer? Script writer? author?
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Was the observer part of the original performance?yes Or a director? and yopeishly this Producer? Script writer? and yopeishly thisauthor?

These are REALLY hard to answer!!!!
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(hard because it's close to giving away something critical, or hard because we're so far off beam? :-))
Was the original performance a pantomime? Or school play?
Was the fake performance a pantomime? or school play?
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(hard because it's close to giving away something critical, or hard because we're so far off beam? ) hard because there is something unusual about the particular "act" they are performing in that makes some seemingly straightforward questions very ambiguous
Was the original performance a pantomime? Or school play? neither
Was the fake performance a pantomime? or school play?neither
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Ok, the original act: - (sorry if some repeat questions)
Were the original four a part of a film? Or Stage play? Or live act which was filmed?
Were the four the whole act? Or part of some bigger show? With only one or two others? Or many others?
Were the original actually acting characters? Or were the originals something somehow real which the fake actors are emulating?
The viewer - he was part of the original performance, correct? Was this some improvised performance?
Was the original performance a piece of entertainment? For an audience? Or did it have some other purpose? (e.g. acting out some ritual?)
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Ok, the original act: - (sorry if some repeat questions)
Were the original four a part of a film? yes Or Stage play? no Or live act which was filmed? no
Were the four the whole act? noOr part of some bigger show?yes With only one or two others?no Or many others? yes
Were the original actually acting characters?yes Or were the originals something somehow real which the fake actors are emulating?but this too...
The viewer - he was part of the original performance, correct? yes Was this some improvised performance?no
Was the original performance a piece of entertainment?yes For an audience?yes, a film-going audience anyway Or did it have some other purpose? (e.g. acting out some ritual?)no
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there is still a pretty big FA here
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Is the FA that the the film the original actors are in is an animation film in which only their voices feature?
But the four fake actors are dressed in costumes of the characters but obviously have very different voices?
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Is the FA that the the film the original actors are in is an animation film in which only their voices feature? no
But the four fake actors are dressed in costumes of the characters but obviously have very different voices?no
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Is Star Wars relevant?
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Is Star Wars relevant?yope
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Yope?? As in not Star Wars, but one of the series? Or a similar type of sci-fi fantasy as Star Wars?
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Is one of the real actors John Candy?
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Yope?? As in not Star Wars, but one of the series? no Or a similar type of sci-fi fantasy as Star Wars? noish

Is one of the real actors John Candy?yes....ish. Anyone who really knows the film can probably understand the ish
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BLOOPER ALERT
Was the observer part of the original performance?yes Or a director? and yopeishly this Producer? Script writer? and yopeishly this author?
My memory has betrayed me. The "viewer is indeed part of the original performance, but is NOT at all the director or writer--there is another actor who also plays these roles and I have gotten them confused. Sorry.
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So is the original Spaceballs? Or is the fake Spaceballs?
Is the viewer part of the cast of Spaceballs?
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So is the original Spaceballs? yes Or is the fake Spaceballs? no
Is the viewer part of the cast of Spaceballs?yes
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Well, I imagine you're referring to Mel Brooks, but this wasn't the viewer, correct?
i{(insert IMDB list of actors from Spaceballs)}...
And what's being seen here is a copy of Spaceballs?
By some amateur actors?
And the fake performance is on film?
Nothing to do with the original Star Wars cast?
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p.s. Presumable the original four would be
Rick Moranis?
John Candy?
Daphne Zuniga?
Joan Rivers?
Thanks again to IMDB :-)
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Well, I imagine you're referring to Mel Brooks, but this wasn't the viewer, correct? correct
i{(insert IMDB list of actors from Spaceballs)}... the viewer is Steven Tobolowsky...ish
And what's being seen here is a copy of Spaceballs? NO
By some amateur actors? NO
And the fake performance is on film? yes
Nothing to do with the original Star Wars cast? no--Star Wars only relevant in the fact that Spaceballs is a parody of it


p.s. Presumable the original four would be
Rick Moranis? NO
John Candy? yes
Daphne Zuniga? yes
Joan Rivers? noish
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add little ishes to John Candy and Daphne Zuniga
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scratches head...
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I seem to remember there's a scene where the bad guys capture the stunt doubles rather than the real characters. Hopefully this is relevant or else I'm out of ideas too!
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I seem to remember there's a scene where the bad guys capture the stunt doubles rather than the real characters. Hopefully this is relevant or else I'm out of ideas too!YES! EXACTLY, that's a...

*************SPOILER**********

Scene from the movie Spaceballs:

TROOPER: Don't move, or you're dead! Stand up!
Captain, we've got them!

CAPTAIN: Spectacular stunt, my friends, but all
for not. Turn around please.

LONE STARR, BARF, VESPA, and DOT turn around.
The stunts of LONE STARR, BARF, VESPA, and DOT turn around.

CAPTAIN: Ha. What a pity. What a pity. So, Princess, you thought you could outwit the imperious forces of....

CAPTAIN looks at VESPA with his mouth open. VESPA'S STUNT is a man with a cigar in his mouth.

CAPTAIN: You idiots! These are not them! You've
captured their stunt doubles! Search the area. Find them! Find them!

The ishes and yope were because in the movie, the characters are aware that they are characters in a movie, and even watch the movie to see what will happen in a few minutes...so distinguishing between the real life actors, and the characters themselves who know they are actors is difficult, especially as the stunt doubles are considered doubles of the characters, not of the actors! Classic Mel Brooks confusion...


Thanks everyone, make sure to play my other puzzles!!!
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Oh, and "When did we get to disneyland" is another quote from the movie.

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