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Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 12:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You saw flowers and got the wrong result.
I didn't see them and got the right result.

*PS Sorry for having deserted the board-between illness and holiday,I kinda forgot about this place.Oops :-)*
Jackie Raymond (Jumpingjack)
Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I"--human? adult? male/female?
"You"--human? adult? male/female?
Are they specific people?
Do the flowers exist? Are they seen on screen? in a painting? photograph? Type of flowers relevant?
Is there a scientific test going on? An examination?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I"--human?Yesadult?Irrel male/female?Irrel
"You"--human?Yesadult?Irrelmale/female?Irrel
Are they specific people?No
Do the flowers exist?YesAre they seen on screen?Yesin a painting?No photograph?NoType of flowers relevant?Yes
Is there a scientific test going on?No An examination?No
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the result a number? series of numbers? a word? series of words? a reaction? an image? an emotion?

type of flowers: real? cloth? plastic? paper? living? dried? in the ground? in a vase? in a planter?
roses? carnations? orchids? daisies? lillies? tulips? sunflowers? poppies? daffodils? azaleas? geraniums? chrysanthemums?

screen: tv screen? movie theater screen? slide screen?

is anyone else looking at the screen besides "you" and "I"?

Did the person who didn't see flowers see something else instead? Not see anything? See all the same things except for the flowers?
Were the 2 people actually looking at the same image(s)?
Did the flowers actally bear any relevance to the result they were supposed to get?
If the second person had also seen flowers, would he have gotten the wrong result?
If the first person had not seen the flowers, would he have gotten the right result?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 8:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the result a number? series of numbers? a word? series of words? a reaction? an image? an emotion?No to all

type of flowers: real?Yes cloth? plastic? paper? living? dried? in the ground?No to all in a vase?Yes in a planter?
roses? carnations? orchids? daisies? lillies? tulips? sunflowers? poppies? daffodils?Yes azaleas? geraniums? chrysanthemums?

screen: tv screen?Yes movie theater screen? slide screen?

is anyone else looking at the screen besides "you" and "I"?Yes

Did the person who didn't see flowers see something else instead?Yes Not see anything?No See all the same things except for the flowers?No
Were the 2 people actually looking at the same image(s)?Yes
Did the flowers actally bear any relevance to the result they were supposed to get?No
If the second person had also seen flowers, would he have gotten the wrong result?Yes
If the first person had not seen the flowers, would he have gotten the right result?Yes
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

relevent how many other people are watching the screen? if so..1,2,3..insert list of numbers here...?

was this part of a TV show? a movie? are they in a classroom? a residence? an office? a boardroom? any other place of business? a hotel?

Relevent why they are looking at the TV? Entertainment? Business? a test? of their own will? because someone else asked them to? beacuse they were forced to?

Do they benefit in any way from getting the right result? Suffer for getting the wrong result?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 8:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

relevent how many other people are watching the screen?No if so..1,2,3..insert list of numbers here...?

was this part of a TV show?Yes a movie? are they in a classroom? a residence? an office? a boardroom? any other place of business? a hotel?Any of them

Relevent why they are looking at the TV? Entertainment?Yes Business? a test? of their own will?Yes because someone else asked them to? beacuse they were forced to?

Do they benefit in any way from getting the right result?Yes Suffer for getting the wrong result?Yes
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 8:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Monetary benifit? Satisfaction? Rights? Priority?
Was it a mystery TV show where the people were trying to solve the case?
Were the flowers a red herring?
Was it a movie? TV show? Gameshow?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Monetary benifit?YopeSatisfaction?YopeRights?No Priority?No
Was it a mystery TV show where the people were trying to solve the case?No
Were the flowers a red herring?Yope
Was it a movie?No TV show?Yes Gameshow?No
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 7:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Type of TV show relevant?
Children's Show? Comedy? Sitcom? Medical Drama? Crime drama? other Drama? news? Talk show? Variety show?

Did seeing the flowers distract the first person from seeing something else? If so, is the something else essential to getting the correct result?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 9:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Type of TV show relevant? Yes
Children's Show? Comedy? Sitcom? Medical Drama? Crime drama? other Drama? news? Talk show? No to allVariety show?Noish

Did seeing the flowers distract the first person from seeing something else?Noish If so, is the something else essential to getting the correct result?Yes
Puzzllover
Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 10:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gardening show? (ie- the home and garden channel)
A news channel showing a grave and flowers?

(btw, go try out my new puzzle! It's If they knew who we were. Please! =P)
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 2:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it one of these reality TV shows? Or 'Next Great x' shows?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 2:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Puzzllover

Gardening show? (ie- the home and garden channel)No
A news channel showing a grave and flowers?No

Solane

Is it one of these reality TV shows?NoOr 'Next Great x' shows?No
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 6:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the show animated? scripted? live? improvisational? sports related? soap opera? awards show?
Does your title indicate that the show is aired on the ABC network? America's Funniest Home Videos? Was the result the winner on the show? Did the person who saw the flowers think it was a funnier video than the one that the other person picked as the winner?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 7:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann) on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 6:19 pm: Edit

Hi Beccaann

is the show animated?No scripted?Yope live?Yes improvisational?Nosports related?No soap opera?Noawards show?No
Does your title indicate that the show is aired on the ABC network? America's Funniest Home Videos? Was the result the winner on the show? Did the person who saw the flowers think it was a funnier video than the one that the other person picked as the winner?No to all
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 8:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Darn.

Saturday Night Live? Or some kind of show like that?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 9:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Darn.

Saturday Night Live? Or some kind of show like that?No :-)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 6:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Talk show? Game show? News program? documentary?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 12:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Talk show? Game show? News program? documentary?No to all :-)
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 11:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did it run 30 minutes? An hour? Hour and half? Two hours? Longer? Shorter?(Aproximately)
It was a show, yes? Not a cassette/DVD/home recording?
Kitral Solane (Solane)
Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 11:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

'Whose Line Is It Anyway'?
Specific show relevent?
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 1:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the show animated?
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 1:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ok, I'm dumb, I already asked that. nevermind.
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Solane

Did it run 30 minutes? An hour? Hour and half? Two hours?2-3 hours I would imagine Longer? Shorter?(Aproximately)
It was a show, yes?Yes Not a cassette/DVD/home recording?No
Whose Line Is It Anyway'?No
Specific show relevent?Yes

Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
is the show animated?No

ok, I'm dumb, I already asked that. nevermind.
Shall we put that down to being blonde..? :-)
Rebecca Kreisler (Beccaann)
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Alas, I am a brunette, but we all have those days, no?
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it a made-for-TV movie?
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Not a movie?
Weekly? Daily? play new? Repeats?
Would I, in the US with regular cable, be able to watch the same show(For new, repeats, and repeats of specific one you saw, please.) anytime in the next week? Month? Year? day? Never again?
Repeated showings of exact same episodes?
Specific episode of specific show relevent?
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Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it a made-for-TV movie?No
Not a movie?No
Weekly? Daily? play new? Repeats?No to all
Would I, in the US with regular cable, be able to watch the same show(For new, repeats, and repeats of specific one you saw, please.)anytime in the next week? Month? Year? day?More than likely no to all Never again?Unlikely but possible
Repeated showings of exact same episodes?No
Specific episode of specific show relevent?No
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Is there only one episode of the show?
Rick Evans (Lemon_martini2)
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Is there only one episode of the show?Yope
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Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 1:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it a screening of a live event?
A sporting event?
Coronation? or similar (e.g. opening of parliament? Papal address?)
entertainment event?
Would the flowers be considered a key part if the image, outside of this scenario? Or incidental in the background (or side) of something more important?
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Hi again Mike

Was it a screening of a live event?Yes
A sporting event?No
Coronation? or similar (e.g. opening of parliament? Papal address?)No
entertainment event?Yes
Would the flowers be considered a key part if the image, outside of this scenario?Yes Or incidental in the background (or side) of something more important?No
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Musical Entertainment?
Concert by one artist? Or Group?
Concert by multiple artists?
Comedy?
Acting?
Circus?
Magic?
Ballet?
Other Dance?
Quiz or game show?
Was watching this something which could be considered to have a 'result' for the viewer, other than purely being entertaining? Some kind of gain to be had as a result of watching?
If so, as a direct result of the show (e.g. "Call this number now for a prize")? Or as an indirect result (e.g. showing the lottery numbers)?
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Musical Entertainment?Yes
Concert by one artist?No Or Group?No
Concert by multiple artists?Yes
Comedy?No
Acting?No
Circus?Tararaboomdeay No!
Magic?Not likely
Ballet?No
Other Dance?Yesish
Quiz or game show?No
Was watching this something which could be considered to have a 'result' for the viewer, other than purely being entertaining?No Some kind of gain to be had as a result of watching?No
If so, as a direct result of the show (e.g. "Call this number now for a prize")? Or as an indirect result (e.g. showing the lottery numbers)?Neither
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Useful to establish the nature of the yesish dance?
[if the anwer's yes, please be patient while I think of as many dances as I can (-: ]
Or is it some other musical entertainment which contains an element of dancing within?
Such as a stage musical? or Pop concert?
Is the benefit of getting the right result a benefit just between the two viewers?
Do the viewers make a bet between each other? or disagree about some aspect of the musical extravaganza?
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BTW, title relevant?
Children's entertainment?
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Useful to establish the nature of the yesish dance?Not really
[if the anwer's yes, please be patient while I think of as many dances as I can (-: ]
Or is it some other musical entertainment which contains an element of dancing within?Yes
Such as a stage musical?No or Pop concert?Yes
Is the benefit of getting the right result a benefit just between the two viewers?No
Do the viewers make a bet between each other?No or disagree about some aspect of the musical extravaganza?Yesish...

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BTW, title relevant?Yesish...but not the main point
Children's entertainment?No
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Is this something like the Grammy awards? Some other awards?
Did you try to guess who would win a prize?
Was there a performance including flowers?
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Is this something like the Grammy awards? Some other awards?No
Did you try to guess who would win a prize?No
Was there a performance including flowers?No
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Does the title refer to the Jacksons?
Were the flowers an actual vase of flowers?
Or an image on, for instance clothing?
(notwithstanding the fact that, as it's a tv picture being seen, obviously it is an image)
Just had a thought - if the Jacksons, would a particular member of the Jackson family be relevant?
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Does the title refer to the Jacksons?No
Were the flowers an actual vase of flowers?Yesish...
Or an image on, for instance clothing?Noish
(notwithstanding the fact that, as it's a tv picture being seen, obviously it is an image)
Just had a thought - if the Jacksons, would a particular member of the Jackson family be relevant?Not relevant
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There is an image of a vase of Daffodils in the tv picture, correct? Are the flowers fake? Is the vase fake? Any kind of optical illusion? Something which looked like a vase of Daffodils but was not?
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There is an image of a vase of Daffodils in the tv picture, correct?Yes Are the flowers fake?No Is the vase fake?No Any kind of optical illusion?No Something which looked like a vase of Daffodils but was not?
No

These are getting quite hard to answer without struggling into semantics.When you find out what it is,it'll become obvious why
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Are the flowers actual, real, daffodils such as we may have in our garden?
Is the vase a real, ceramic, holder of the usual flowery kind of things?
Is the vase on stage? Or somewhere in close proximity to the performers?
Is the vase in the same area as the viewers?
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Are the flowers actual, real, daffodils such as we may have in our garden?Yes
Is the vase a real, ceramic, holder of the usual flowery kind of things?Yes

The type of vase,construction of the flowers,their position etc. is all irrelevant.'A vase of daffodils'is sufficient to answer the question without getting stuck into detail :-)

Is the vase on stage?No Or somewhere in close proximity to the performers?No
Is the vase in the same area as the viewers?
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Oh good :-)
Is the vase in the location where the performance is taking place?
Is the vase on top of the TV?
Is the vase in the location where the viewers are, rather than the performers?
Are the flowers (and/or vase) the subject of a disagreement between the viewers?
Is the performance the subject of a disagreement between the viewers?
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Oh good :-)
Is the vase in the location where the performance is taking place?No
Is the vase on top of the TV?No
Is the vase in the location where the viewers are, rather than the performers?Yesish
Are the flowers (and/or vase) the subject of a disagreement between the viewers?No
Is the performance the subject of a disagreement between the viewers?Yesssisssh
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Are the viewers in a room watching television?
Or a cinema?
Are the flowers obstructing one (? or both) the viewers from the view in any way?
Are the flowers in front of the TV?
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Are the viewers in a room watching television?Yes
Or a cinema?No
Are the flowers obstructing one (? or both) the viewers from the view in any way?Yesish
Are the flowers in front of the TV?No

This is why I hate English.The same question can be answered in one way if you take it one way and completely differently if the words mean something else.Is it just me and you left here in this thread Mike?
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[There's a few posts from a few days ago, but obviously this one's too fiendish for the others (-:]
[Sorry, I'll try to make the questions as unambiguous as possible]
The viewers are inside a room watching television in the same room, correct?
Are they looking through a window at a television in another room?
Are the flowers in the same room as the viewers?
Are the flowers in the same room as the television?
Is the television in the same room as the viewers?
There are two viewers relevant to the scenario, correct? [Let's say Rick and Mike as it seems appropriate (-:]
Are the flowers in the line of sight of Rick?
Are the flowers in the line of sight of Mike?
Are they
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Sorry, I'll try to make the questions as unambiguous as possible]
The viewers are inside a room watching television in the same room, correct? No
Are they looking through a window at a television in another room?No
Are the flowers in the same room as the viewers?No
Are the flowers in the same room as the television?No
Is the television in the same room as the viewers?Yope
There are two viewers relevant to the scenario, correct? [Let's say Rick and Mike as it seems appropriate (-:]Yope
Are the flowers in the line of sight of Rick?Yes
Are the flowers in the line of sight of Mike?Yes
Are theyAre they indeed?
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[Think a bit went missing...]
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So Rick and Mike are both watching the same show on different televisions? Do they both see the same vase of daffs?

Is it enough that it's a pop concert, or do we need to know the particular concert or artists? Is it the Eurovision song contest? Live Aid or similar?
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So Rick and Mike are both watching the same show on different televisions?YesDo they both see the same vase of daffs?No

Is it enough that it's a pop concert, or do we need to know the particular concert or artists?YesishIs it the Eurovision song contest?Yes :-) Live Aid or similar?No
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Ah, OK. Are Rick and Mike in different countries? Are time zones relevant? Did the vase of flowers obscure the scoreboard in some way? Were the flowers seen during the singing stage? The voting stage?
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As I am an American and unfamiliar with the Eurovision song contest, could someone explain to me how it works so I can contribute here? Is it similar to American Idol over here?
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BeccaAnn: certainly! It's much older than American Idol, which I think is like our Pop Idol in the UK. In the Eurovision, each country of Europe chooses a song (they are usually tacky and rather awful pop tunes) and there is one big night each year when the songs are played back-to-back, followed by a live judging by juries from all the countries. The only restriction is that you can't vote for your own country. The winning country gets to host the following year's event. For some reason, Israel is in the contest though it isn't in Europe. This year the winners were masked monster rockers from Finland.

Of course I am still baffled by the puzzle.
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So the 'I' in the puzzle guessed the correct winner? And the 'You' guessed the winner incorrectly because of the dafodils?
Were any of the songs about flowers? Persieved by 'you' to be about flowers?
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Ah, OK. Are Rick and Mike in different countries?Yes Are time zones relevant?Noish Did the vase of flowers obscure the scoreboard in some way?YesishWere the flowers seen during the singing stage?Yesish The voting stage?Yesish

So the 'I' in the puzzle guessed the correct winner?Yesish And the 'You' guessed the winner incorrectly because of the dafodils?Yesish
Were any of the songs about flowers?No Persieved by 'you' to be about flowers?No
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Was the vase of flowers in the room with one of the viewers?
(earlier post suggest not...)
Was the vase part of a tv company logo?
Was the thing about which the two had differing opinions -
Who had won the contest?
Who would win the contest?
The identity of one artist/group?
The identity of one of the presenters?
Nationality of one act?
The location of the contest? Country? City?
One of the locations shown during the contest? (those of us who know the Eurovision Song Contest will know that each song is preceded by some publicity shots of locations round the host city)
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Was the vase of flowers in the room with one of the viewers?
(earlier post suggest not...)No
Was the vase part of a tv company logo?Noish
Was the thing about which the two had differing opinions -
Who had won the contest?Yes
Who would win the contest?Yes
The identity of one artist/group?No
The identity of one of the presenters?No
Nationality of one act?No
The location of the contest?No Country?No City?No
One of the locations shown during the contest? (those of us who know the Eurovision Song Contest will know that each song is preceded by some publicity shots of locations round the host city)No
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were different tv stations airing the contest?
if so, did the flowers block the scoreboard on one station, but a different camera angle on another station prevented this?
Or were both people watching the exact same footage?
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were different tv stations airing the contest?Yes
if so, did the flowers block the scoreboard on one station, but a different camera angle on another station prevented this?Yope
Or were both people watching the exact same footage?No
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So, was one of the people watching the contest on one TV station, and the other watching the same contest on a different tv station?
And were the flowers visible to one ot the two? Or both?
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So, was one of the people watching the contest on one TV station, and the other watching the same contest on a different tv station? Yes
And were the flowers visible to one ot the two?Yes Or bothNo
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let's say Rick was the one who didn't see flowers and got the right result, and Mike saw flowers and got the wrong result
Were the flowers obscuring part of the scoreboard from Mike?
Were the flowers obscuring some (? or all?) of the performers from Mike?
Were the flowers obscuring some (? or all?) of the judges from Mike?
Were they actually obscuring Mike's vision from some of the performance? Or merely a distraction from some part of the performance?
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let's say Rick was the one who didn't see flowers and got the right result, and Mike saw flowers and got the wrong result
Were the flowers obscuring part of the scoreboard from Mike?Yope
Were the flowers obscuring some (? or all?) of the performers from Mike?Yope
Were the flowers obscuring some (? or all?) of the judges from Mike?No
Were they actually obscuring Mike's vision from some of the performance?Yes Or merely a distraction from some part of the performance?Yope
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Was there something unusual about the performance of one of the acts? (more unusual than the normal Eurovision-kind of unusual :-))
If so, the winning act?
Were the flowers in Mike's view for the whole show?
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Was there something unusual about the performance of one of the acts? (more unusual than the normal Eurovision-kind of unusual ) No
If so, the winning act?No
Were the flowers in Mike's view for the whole show?No
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Were the flowers blocking one of the numbers, so Mike didn't see like one of the numbers?
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Were the flowers blocking one of the numbers, so Mike didn't see like one of the numbers?No
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That helped... So even from two different views, if either saw the flowers, they would not win. Is the punishment for not winning relevant?
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That helped... So even from two different views, if either saw the flowers, they would not winNo..the people seeing the flowers are not competing. Is the punishment for not winning relevant?There is no punishment for not winning
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I meant from two different views, If either saw them, they would not win. right?
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I meant from two different views, If either saw them, they would not win. right?If either of them saw the flowers,they would not get the right result
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So, if either party had seen the flowers they wouldnat have got the right result. Was the right result the 1-2-3 order of winners?
Was the relevant fact about the flowers something other than them being in the way of some part of the action?
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So, if either party had seen the flowers they wouldnat have got the right result. Was the right result the 1-2-3 order of winners?Yes...ish
Was the relevant fact about the flowers something other than them being in the way of some part of the action?No...ish
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Would seeing the flowers lead to the wrong result because it would mean they'd be watching the channel on which the flowers are visible? If someone had been watching the same channel but the flowers had been replaced by a similar sized object, would someone seeing the new object still get the wrong result? If the channel on which the flowers are shown had omitted flowers altogether, would someone watching this channel still get the wrong result?
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Would seeing the flowers lead to the wrong result because it would mean they'd be watching the channel on which the flowers are visible?Yes

If someone had been watching the same channel but the flowers had been replaced by a similar sized object, would someone seeing the new object still get the wrong result?Yes

If the channel on which the flowers are shown had omitted flowers altogether, would someone watching this channel still get the wrong result?Yesish
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Was the transmission from the channel with the flowers interrupted?
If so, by some incident involving the flowers?
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Was the transmission from the channel with the flowers interrupted?Yes
If so, by some incident involving the flowers?Yesish
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did the item block the camera?
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did the item block the camera?Yope
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By inteerupted transmission, I mean did the transmission actually stop at some point during the proceedings?
Or did the picture being seen be the viewers become distorted (as would be caused for instance by bad weather)?
Did a cameraman (? or someone else in the staff?) trip over the flowers?
Did the vase become knocked over or smashed at any point?
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By inteerupted transmission, I mean did the transmission actually stop at some point during the proceedings?Yes
Or did the picture being seen be the viewers become distorted (as would be caused for instance by bad weather)?No
Did a cameraman (? or someone else in the staff?) trip over the flowers?No
Did the vase become knocked over or smashed at any point?No
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Did the vase of flowers play any point in the interrupted transmission? Or is it just that the station with the flowers in view was the one which was interrupted?
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Did the vase of flowers play any point in the interrupted transmission?Yes Or is it just that the station with the flowers in view was the one which was interrupted?Yes
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i'll rephrase
Did the vase of flowers in some way contribute to the interruption of transmission?
If the vase had been present, but without flowers or water, would the interruption still have been likely?
If the flowers had been present, but in a holder securely fixed to the wall rather than a vase, would the incident still have been likely?
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Did the vase of flowers in some way contribute to the interruption of transmission?Yesish
If the vase had been present, but without flowers or water, would the interruption still have been likely?Yes...but we're going down a FA here.
If the flowers had been present, but in a holder securely fixed to the wall rather than a vase, would the incident still have been likely?Yes...but we're going down a FA here

HAPPY HINT:The flowers themselves were not the cause of the interruption
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are the flowers given to a winner, normally?
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are the flowers given to a winner, normally?No
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lol....it seems to me that somebody is sleeping during a test....so, if the person is sleeping he saw flowers during his dream, but failed the test....on the other hand, if that same person did not fall asleep during this test, he would have passed but seen no flowers....
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lol....it seems to me that somebody is sleeping during a test....Noso, if the person is sleeping he saw flowers during his dream, but failed the testNo....on the other hand, if that same person did not fall asleep during this test, he would have passed but seen no flowers....No
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Are the flowers part of the TV station's logo? or some sort of symbol associated with them?
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Are the flowers part of the TV station's logo? or some sort of symbol associated with themNo-ish but getting very warm
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So, was the interruption caused by something else, but the only channel affected was the one which happened to have flowers on show?
Did the interruption cause the watcher to miss the beginning?/middle?/end? of the procedings?
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So, was the interruption caused by something else, but the only channel affected was the one which happened to have flowers on show?Yes!
Did the interruption cause the watcher to miss the beginning?/Nomiddle?Yesish/end?Yes of the procedings
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So, towards the end of the show, when votes were being counted up, the order of merit was one way, and a break in the transmission close to the end meant that the final (couple of) crucial votes were not seen by some, hence them having the wrong result?
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So, towards the end of the show, when votes were being counted up, the order of merit was one way, and a break in the transmission close to the end meant that the final (couple of) crucial votes were not seen by some, hence them having the wrong result?Noish...you're partly there
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Were the flowers shown as an intermission during the break in normal transmission?
Just before the break in transmission, did the two people see the same programme (although on different channels), i.e. it would be clear to both men and anyone else watching these two channels, the scores attained by each act?

Did the break in transmission come before all the votes had been collected?
Before any of the votes had been collected? After all the votes had been collected?
Before all the acts had been heard?
Were the ones watching merely viewers? Or competition judges? Or bookmakers?
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Were the flowers shown as an intermission during the break in normal transmission?Yes
Just before the break in transmission, did the two people see the same programme (although on different channels)Yes, i.e. it would be clear to both men and anyone else watching these two channels, the scores attained by each act?No

Did the break in transmission come before all the votes had been collected?Yes
Before any of the votes had been collected?NoAfter all the votes had been collected?No
Before all the acts had been heard?No
Were the ones watching merely viewers?Yes Or competition judges? Or bookmakers?
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Did the break in transmission last from the time it occurred to the end of the show?
Or did it come back on before the final result was announced? After the final result was announced Given that the winning act gets to perform an encore)?
Presumably, at the time of the break, some scores were in and therefore the two viewers would have an idea of the ranking of the countries at that point?
The viewers were in two different countries watching the competition, right?
Were the viewers in their own countries?
Were they supporting different countries?
Did one (or both, if the same?) of the viewers' countries actually win the competition?
Was the country in the lead at the time of the transmission break, the country that eventually won?
If so - was it the flower viewer? OR the
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oops, bit missing, I'll recap that sentence
The country that won - was it being supported by the flower viewer? By the non-flower viewer?
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Did the break in transmission last from the time it occurred to the end of the show?Yes
Or did it come back on before the final result was announced?No After the final result was announced Given that the winning act gets to perform an encore)?No
Presumably, at the time of the break, some scores were in and therefore the two viewers would have an idea of the ranking of the countries at that point?Yes
The viewers were in two different countries watching the competition, right?Yes
Were the viewers in their own countries?Yes
Were they supporting different countries?Yes
Did one (or both, if the same?) of the viewers' countries actually win the competition?No
Was the country in the lead at the time of the transmission break, the country that eventually won? Yes
The country that won - was it being supported by the flower viewer?No By the non-flower viewer?Yes

We're almost there.Now you need to think why....
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Hmmm... gonna stick in some made up details to get the story clear. Interrupt me if I go wrong
Mike is in Estonia, cheering on his national side in the Eurovision Song Contest. Rick is in Latvia doing the same for his entry. At 10pm, when some (but not all) votes are in, the Latvian transmission is interrupted, and they show a vase of flowers instead, presumably under the impression people wouldn't mind (or notice much difference :-)). At this point in time, Estonia are in the lead, and they go on to win. Rick is unaware at the time that Estonia have won. For some reason, he thinks Lavia may win? Ok so far?
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Hmmm... gonna stick in some made up details to get the story clear. Interrupt me if I go wrong
Mike is in Estonia, cheering on his national side in the Eurovision Song Contest. Rick is in Latvia doing the same for his entry. At 10pm, when some (but not all) votes are in, the Latvian transmission is interrupted, and they show a vase of flowers instead, presumably under the impression people wouldn't mind (or notice much difference ). At this point in time, Estonia are in the lead, and they go on to win. Rick is unaware at the time that Estonia have won. For some reason, he thinks Lavia may win? Ok so far?
Yes,all correct :-).Now all we need to know is why the transmission is interrupted and you should have it...
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Oh and the countries aren't Latvia and Estonia by the way...
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I don't even know if they compete. I deliberately picked countries at random in a similar way to how many pick names. however, you've got me thinking...
Is the specific country in which the transmission was interrupted relevant? Other than the fact they weren't in winning position at the point of interruption?
Is the country one which is likely to suffer from power cuts?
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Is the specific country in which the transmission was interrupted relevant?YesOther than the fact they weren't in winning position at the point of interruption?Yes
Is the country one which is likely to suffer from power cuts?Not usually
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Are the two countries strong rivals? In the competition? Generally?
(I'm thinking Greece and Turkey, though obviously there are likley to be others)
Are the countries usually allies in the competition?
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Are the two countries strong rivals?YesIn the competition?Not really Generally?Yes
(I'm thinking Greece and Turkey, though obviously there are likley to be others)
Are the countries usually allies in the competition?No
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I'll go & dig out a list of participant countries. In the meantime...
Was the right result about where the contest would be held next, rather than simply who won?
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back now
Was the country with the interrupted transmission: -
Albania
Andorra
Armenia
Belarus
Belgium
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Cyprus
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
F.Y.R. Macedonia
Germany
Greece
Iceland
Ireland
Israel
Latvia
Lithuania
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
Ukraine
United Kingdom
there's a question mark after each of those :-)
Same questions for the relevant uninterrupted transmission
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Did the interrupted transmission becomes so because the station airing the event thought it was all but over and switched to regularly scheduled programming?

It makes me think of an issue with an American Football game in the 60's. The NBC network airing the game assuming it was over because there was only about a minute left to play. They switched over to the made-for-TV movie "Heidi", and the team that was down (the Oakland Raiders I think) made an unbelieveable comeback. Of course, all anyone saw on network television was some silly girl in the mountains. When you mentioned the flowers and the whole situation in general, that makes me think of the whole NFL thing.
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Was the right result about where the contest would be held next, rather than simply who won? No-but the winner automatically hosts it the next year so a bit irrel...

back now
Was the country with the interrupted transmission: -
Albania
Andorra
Armenia
Belarus
Belgium
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Cyprus
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
F.Y.R. Macedonia
Germany
Greece
Iceland
Ireland
Israel
Latvia
Lithuania
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
Ukraine
United Kingdom
there's a question mark after each of those No to all :-)
Same questions for the relevant uninterrupted transmissionYes to all :-)

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Did the interrupted transmission becomes so because the station airing the event thought it was all but over and switched to regularly scheduled programming? No

It makes me think of an issue with an American Football game in the 60's. The NBC network airing the game assuming it was over because there was only about a minute left to play. They switched over to the made-for-TV movie "Heidi", and the team that was down (the Oakland Raiders I think) made an unbelieveable comeback. Of course, all anyone saw on network television was some silly girl in the mountains. When you mentioned the flowers and the whole situation in general, that makes me think of the whole NFL thing.

Ah the Heidi game :-)
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No to all??? Someone watching from space??
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No to all???Yes Someone watching from space??No
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Was the man watching the interrupted transmission supporting the country he was born in? Was he in the country he was born in?
Was the country with the interrupted transmission one which normally takes part in Eurovision? Or has in the past?
(my list is from this year's competition, so it could be a country which no longer participates. Or no longer exists...)
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Was the man watching the interrupted transmission supporting the country he was born in?Irrel Was he in the country he was born in?Irrel
Was the country with the interrupted transmission one which normally takes part in Eurovision?No Or has in the past?No?
(my list is from this year's competition, so it could be a country which no longer participates. Or no longer exists...)
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?? My post of September 01, 2006 - 12:57 pm mentions two people watching their respective national sides in the contest, which got a yes, but you say the country with the interrupted transmission doesn't normally take part?
Is this the first time the country with the interrupted transmission took part in the competitition?
Was transmission interrupted by some accident? Or on purpose by the country's broadcasting authority or government?
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So there are two people, Mike and Rick, both watching the Eurovision contest. They are from two different countries, with a strong rivalry (in something other then Eurovision.) Each is a supporter of their own country's entrant. The transmission one (let's say Rick) received was interrupted, and for a while, all he saw was the image of a vase with flowers in it.

However, Rick wasn't in any country that participates in the contest. Was he, therefore watching via satellite feed in a third country? The US? Canada?
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?? My post of September 01, 2006 - 12:57 pm mentions two people watching their respective national sides in the contest, which got a yes, but you say the country with the interrupted transmission doesn't normally take part?
Is this the first time the country with the interrupted transmission took part in the competitition?
Was transmission interrupted by some accident?NoOr on purpose by the country's broadcasting authority or government?Yes

Just to clarify...the country with the interruption is NOT taking part.

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So there are two people, Mike and Rick, both watching the Eurovision contest. They are from two different countries, with a strong rivalry (in something other then Eurovision.)Yesish Each is a supporter of their own country's entrant.No-Rick's country is not competing
The transmission one (let's say Rick) received was interrupted, and for a while, all he saw was the image of a vase with flowers in it.Yes

However, Rick wasn't in any country that participates in the contest.Yes Was he, therefore watching via satellite feed in a third country?Yes The US?No Canada?No
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Hi all, im new so pls forgive me for any errors:-) were the flowers the national symbol for one of the countries ie on a flag etc?
or, did the interrupted viewer see his country perform immediately prior to the interruption, hence the next thing seen on his/her screen were the flowers and he/she assumed the flowers were being presented to his/her countries performer?also, does the interrupted viewer understand the language the program is being broadcast in?
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Ok, was the country with the interrupted transmission one which stopped the transmission because the country which was winning was not one they'd want to win?
Did the interruption contain any other information, such as an announcement that another country had gone on to win?
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Hi all, im new so pls forgive me for any errorsWelcome!
were the flowers the national symbol for one of the countries ie on a flag etc? No

or, did the interrupted viewer see his country perform immediately prior to the interruption, hence the next thing seen on his/her screen were the flowers and he/she assumed the flowers were being presented to his/her countries performer?No also, does the interrupted viewer understand the language the program is being broadcast in?Yes
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Ok, was the country with the interrupted transmission one which stopped the transmission because the country which was winning was not one they'd want to win?Yes
Did the interruption contain any other information, such as an announcement that another country had gone on to win?Yes

I think we're close enough for a ***SPOILER***

The 1978 Eurovision Contest was shown by several Middle Eastern countries-in particular Lebanon and Syria.When the Israeli entry came on they showed instead a picture of a bunch of daffodils revolving happily on screen.
During the voting it became obvious Israel was going to win,at which point they cut back to the flowers until the contest finished. Official Lebanese and Syrian news broadcasts stated that the winners were Belgium(I believe) who actually finished 2nd.
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Very Good! I confess to being something of a fan of the Eurovision Song contest, though I stress purely for the humour, politics and bizarre nature of the contest rather than the quality of the music (Lordi...)

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