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Anastas (Aragorn)
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Posted on Friday, August 04, 2006 - 5:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I hope this one lasts longer than the previous one.

She had a shower and now her room is cleaner. How come?
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She = human? adult? female?
Does "she" refer to the same person/animal as "her"
Room=actual room in a place of residence? Bedroom?
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She = human? adult? female?
Does "she" refer to the same person/animal as "her"
Room=actual room in a place of residence? Bedroom?
Yes to all
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So many good lateral ideas out the window...

Did the shower itself cause the room to become cleaner?
Did someone else clean the room while she was in the shower?
Did she take the shower at her house?
Does the bathroom with the shower in it adjoin her bedroom?
Any other person involved?
Relevant how long her shower lasted?
"Had a shower" actually mean got in the shower and washed?
Cleaner mean less dirt/dust? more organized? less cluttered?
Anastas (Aragorn)
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Did the shower itself cause the room to become cleaner? no
Did someone else clean the room while she was in the shower? no
Did she take the shower at her house? no
Does the bathroom with the shower in it adjoin her bedroom? could be, not important
Any other person involved? no
Relevant how long her shower lasted? no
"Had a shower" actually mean got in the shower and washed? yes
Cleaner mean less dirt/dust? this onemore organized? less cluttered?
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Is the room that becomes cleaner the same room that contains the shower?
Anastas (Aragorn)
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Is the room that becomes cleaner the same room that contains the shower? no they are separate rooms
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Does another person clean her room while she is in the shower?
Anastas (Aragorn)
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Does another person clean her room while she is in the shower? no, she is the only person involved
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Would the effect be the same if she took the shower one hour before/after she in fact did?

How much after she had the shower her room become cleaner -- seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Months? Years?
Anastas (Aragorn)
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Would the effect be the same if she took the shower one hour before/after she in fact did? yes

How much after she had the shower her room become cleaner -- seconds? Minutes? this oneHours? Days? Months? Years?
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Does this take place in a house?
Hotel?

Is this shower a place intended for cleaning oneself?

Are the bedroom and shower in the same building? Does it even matter?

Did she clean the bedroom herself?
I didn't think so...

I got nothing else
Anastas (Aragorn)
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Does this take place in a house? yes
Hotel? no

Is this shower a place intended for cleaning oneself? yes, a regular one

Are the bedroom and shower in the same building? yes, just a regular house
Does it even matter? yes

Did she clean the bedroom herself? yes
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Is it a public or a private shower? Relevant?


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Did she take the shower at her house? no





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Does this take place in a house? yes





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Are the bedroom and shower in the same building? yes, just a regular house




Therefore, we are about to conclude that she did all that in a house different from her own, right? Since you said that there is no more relevant persons, does that mean that the house in question does not have owner? Is it abandoned? Did anyone ever used it to live there? Does anyone live there now? Or, that is just not relevant for the story how she came into the house and what is with the owner?

Her job relevant? Maid?
Anastas (Aragorn)
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I am sorry,my mistake here:

Did she take the shower at her house? YES
Is it a public or a private shower? Relevant? it is her house

Her job relevant? Maid? irrel

RECAP
A woman takes a shower in her house. She then goes out to her other room. Minutes have passed and her other room is cleaner (less dirty and dusty). Nobody else is involved.
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What else do we have to find out other than that she cleaned her room after she had had the shower?
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Does the shower work in tandem with some other electrical device, eg. an air filter?
Anastas (Aragorn)
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What else do we have to find out other than that she cleaned her room after she had had the shower? there is something which connects the two activities

Does the shower work in tandem with some other electrical device yesish
eg. an air filter? no
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Should we assume that since she had just gotten out of the shower, she lacked clothing?

Was there anything on her person when she walked into the "other room"?

If so, is it unusual for one to have this item on their person esp. after exiting the shower?

Did the bedroom get cleaned because she walked into it, or was in it for some minutes?
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Could she have used just her bathroom (without the shower) instead?

Did any items (larger than dust particles) move/change position without her touching them?

Is it relevant that in the bathroom, the air is
-warmer
-more humid
than before/than in the other room?

Does she have one of these automatical vacuum cleaners?
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What did she use to clean the room? A vacuum cleaner? A broom? A clotch? Relevant?
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Is there a specific part of the room that is cleaner? Relevant?
Anastas (Aragorn)
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Should we assume that since she had just gotten out of the shower, she lacked clothing? irrel

Was there anything on her person when she walked into the "other room"? irrel

If so, is it unusual for one to have this item on their person esp. after exiting the shower? irrel

Did the bedroom get cleaned because she walked into it, or was in it for some minutes? because of her being there for some minutes

Could she have used just her bathroom (without the shower) instead? no, it's a regular bathroom

Did any items (larger than dust particles) move/change position without her touching them?
yesish

Is it relevant that in the bathroom, the air is
-warmer
-more humid
than before/than in the other room? irrel

Does she have one of these automatical vacuum cleaners? yesish, explore

What did she use to clean the room? A vacuum cleaner? <b>YES, explore<b>A broom? A clotch? Relevant?yes

Is there a specific part of the room that is cleaner? <b>let's say the floor<b>Relevant?noish
Anastas (Aragorn)
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What did she use to clean the room? A vacuum cleaner? YES, exploreA broom? A clotch? Relevant?yes

Is there a specific part of the room that is cleaner? let's say the floorRelevant?noish
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Is it relevant where was the electric switch for the vacuum cleaner located? Was something else plugged in there while she was taking a shower? Does her house use just an ordinary form of electricity (paying to the electric company) or it is powered from an other source? If the second one, did the shower had an influence on that other source, what produced electricity? Was the source of electricity water? Heat? Water steam?
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Is it relevant where was the electric switch for the vacuum cleaner located? yope
Was something else plugged in there while she was taking a shower? no
Does her house use just an ordinary form of electricity (paying to the electric company) or it is powered from an other source. If the second one, did the shower had an influence on that other source, what produced electricity? Was the source of electricity water? Heat? Water steam? irrel.

----HINT----
You need to find more about the vacuum cleaner.
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Was it broken? Was it an ordinary cleaner which could be bought in a nearest store? Does there exist more cleaners with the same condition? Could the story work with an other cleaner?
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Robot vaccuum cleaner involved? If so, did she start the vaccuum, take her shower, and come out to find that it had finished?
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Was it broken? no
Was it an ordinary cleaner which could be bought in a nearest store? yes it was an ordinary cleaner, but you cannot buy it from the store nowadays(hint)
Does there exist more cleaners with the same condition? yesish
Could the story work with an other cleaner? yes

Robot vaccuum cleaner involved? If so, did she start the vaccuum, take her shower, and come out to find that it had finished? no
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Therefore, that was an old vacuum cleaner? Did it have a part which cleaners today usually do not have? Like a bag for dust? Or it didn't have a part which cleaners today usually have?
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Therefore, that was an old vacuum cleaner? yesDid it have a part which cleaners today usually do not have? yesLike a bag for dust? not thisOr it didn't have a part which cleaners today usually have?it was quite different in most aspects
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Is the shower in question the usual kind of pipes-in-the-bathroom-splashing-water type of shower? Or a shower of the kind I believe Americans have, which is a term for a party where people bring presents?
Is the vacuum cleaner one in which you can put water to aid the cleaning process?
Is the vacuum cleaner one which blows as well as sucks (regular feature of many Tom & Jerry cartoons)
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Is it any of these types of cleaners?

  • Upright vacuum cleaners have the pump mounted directly above the suction intake, with the bag mounted on the handle, which rises to about waist height. Upright designs usually employ mechanical beaters, often rotating brushes, to help disturb dust to be vacuumed up; these beaters are usually driven by a belt attached to the vacuum motor.
  • Canister (or cylinder) designs have the motor and bag in a separate canister unit (usually mounted on wheels) connected to the vacuum head by a flexible hose. Although upright units have been tested as more effective (mainly because of the beaters), the lighter, more manoeuverable heads of canister models are popular. Some upmarket canister models have "power heads", which contain the same sort of mechanical beaters as in upright units, although such beaters are driven by a separate electric motor.
  • Wet vacs or wet/dry vacuums—a specialised form of the canister vacuum—can be used to clean up wet or liquid spills. They commonly can accommodate both wet and dry soilage; some are also equipped with a switch or exhaust port for reversing the airflow, a useful function for everything from clearing a clogged hose to blowing dust into a corner for easy collection.
  • Back-pack vacs are commonly used for commercial cleaning: they allow the user to move rapidly about a large area. They are essentially canister vacuum cleaners, except that straps are used to carry the canister unit on the user's back.
  • Built-in or central vacuum cleaners move the suction motor and bag to a central location in the building and provide vacuum inlets at strategic places throughout the building: only the hose and pickup head need be carried from room to room; and the hose is commonly 8 m (25 ft) long, allowing a large range of movement without changing vacuum inlets. Plastic piping connects the vacuum outlets to the central unit. The vacuum head may either be unpowered or have beaters operated by an electric motor or air-driven motor. The dirt bag in a central vacuum system is usually so large that emptying or changing needs to be done less often, perhaps once per year.
  • Robotic vacuum cleaners move autonomously, usually in a mostly chaotic pattern ('random bounce'). Some come back to a docking station to charge their batteries, and a few are able to empty their dust containers into the dock as well.
  • Small hand-held vacuum cleaners, either battery-operated or electric, are also popular for cleaning up smaller spills.
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Is the shower in question the usual kind of pipes-in-the-bathroom-splashing-water type of shower? Or a shower of the kind I believe Americans have, which is a term for a party where people bring presents? type of shower irrelevant
Is the vacuum cleaner one in which you can put water to aid the cleaning process? no
Is the vacuum cleaner one which blows as well as sucks (regular feature of many Tom & Jerry cartoons)noish, but this is down the right path
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Is it any of these types of cleaners? I would say closest to "canister"
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I think I have an idea. Don't want to give away too much if I'm right, though.
Let's test:

Is this based on some work of fiction?
Did the woman presumably buy the vacuum cleaner from some door-to-door salesman called Jürgens?
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Is this based on some work of fiction?
Did the woman presumably buy the vacuum cleaner from some door-to-door salesman called Jürgens?
None of these, but sounds interesting. I am afraid your scenario might be better than the actual solution :>
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Ok, then, I think I'll make this a quickie puzzle. Just to be on the safe side, I'm out of this one for the moment.
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is it relevant how the vacuum is generated?
rel how the electricity for the vacuum cleaner is generated?
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Is the vacuum cleaner powered by Electricity? Gas? Steam? pedal-power?
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is it relevant how the vacuum is generated?
rel how the electricity for the vacuum cleaner is generated? irrel

Is the vacuum cleaner powered by Electricity? yesGas? Steam? pedal-power?
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If she hadn't taken a shower, would she then be unable to use the vacuum cleaner?
Or would she be able to use the vacuum cleaner, but it would be less efficient?
when she uses the vacuum cleaner, is she still wet? still naked?
If she had taken off her clothes, gone into the bathroom and but not actually turned the shower on, then returned and used the vacuum cleaner, would the effect be the same?
If she had done as above, but turned the shower on for as long as a normal shower, then returned, would the effect be the same?
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Is the point that she was wet? That a specific part of her body was wet? Hair?
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If she hadn't taken a shower, would she then be unable to use the vacuum cleaner?
Or would she be able to use the vacuum cleaner, but it would be less efficient?
when she uses the vacuum cleaner, is she still wet? still naked?
If she had taken off her clothes, gone into the bathroom and but not actually turned the shower on, then returned and used the vacuum cleaner, would the effect be the same? yes, but in this scenario it is less probable that she would have cleaned the room in the first place
If she had done as above, but turned the shower on for as long as a normal shower, then returned, would the effect be the same? yes

Is the point that she was wet? That a specific part of her body was wet? Hair? yes
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Is it one of those vacuum cleaners which also has a hairdryer? She wanted to clean the room and to dry her hair at once, right?
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there is one more aspect to it, but almost there. well done :> here is the spoiler:

***** SPOILER ******
Around the turn of the century, before the hair dryer was invented, women used to dry their hair by attaching a hose to the vacuum cleaner exhaust. Since at that time the cleaners were quite bulky, she wanted to save some efforts taking it out from the closet only to sweep the floor. So whenever she was out of the shower and the floor needed cleaning she would first dry her hair and then clean the room.

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