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Blackhawk (Blackhawk)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 6:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tell me the truth about yourself and you are a moron.

Tell me a lie about yourself and you are an idiot.

But tell me this ONE THING about yourself and you are a genius......
Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 12:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ok... what are we supposed to find: The truth, the lie, and the ONE THING?

yourself
: us?
Blackhawk (Blackhawk)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 12:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ok... what are we supposed to find: The truth, the lie, and the ONE THING?


You are supposed to find only the one thing about yourself and tell it to me that shows you are neither a moron nor an idiot, and thus you are a genius. But remember the rules laid out in the first two lines......

(ie: if you tell me you are a human, for example and you really are, then you must be a moron, for you told me the truth about yourself. If you try to tell me you are an eagle, then you are lying and that means you are an idiot. So the truth reveals you to be a moron and a lie reveals you to be an idiot. Only a genius can get around this.

So tell me something about yourself.....
Beroean (Beroean)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 1:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just speculating, so don't quote me...

I am a moron.
I am an idiot.
I am a moron and an idiot.
I am either a moron or an idiot?
Beccaann (Beccaann)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 1:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think I know this answer, but I don't want to spoil early...do you have an email I can send it to? or should I put it in white text?
Blackhawk (Blackhawk)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 3:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am a moron.
I am an idiot.
I am a moron and an idiot.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Seriously, though, you are on the right track, but do you know WHY?

I think I know this answer, but I don't want to spoil early...do you have an email I can send it to? or should I put it in white text?
Yes, I added my email to my profile so go ahead and email me. I have a feeling this one is going to be solved WAY too soon!

BH
Beccaann (Beccaann)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 4:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

e-mail sent!
Blackhawk (Blackhawk)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 4:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

e-mail sent!
got it! you've got the right idea, but.....

BH
Veejay (Veejay)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 7:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am a liar?
Blackhawk (Blackhawk)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 7:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am a liar?
No, because perhaps that is the truth, which would make you a moron. Just because a person is a liar, does not mean that every sentence is a lie. For example, if I say that "I am a lousy speller," that doesn't mean that I can't spell the sentence describing myself as a lousy speller. Hence, I can truthfully tell people that I am a liar (which would simply make me a moron, not a genius).

BH
Veejay (Veejay)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 8:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, how about
I always lie!
Veejay (Veejay)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 8:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"this ONE THINGS about yourself"?

gee...the rule says tell me "this one thing about yourselves" and you are a genius...so i say that! i know i sound silly..but anyways...lol
Beroean (Beroean)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 8:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am neither a moron nor a genius, I am an idiot?

(something along these lines)?
Blackhawk (Blackhawk)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 8:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, how about
I always lie!No, because that is a lie, which would make you a moron. You may say "No, just suppose I really DO always lie" -- well, if that were the case, then the fact that you just acknowledged that ruined your lying streak, because it would be the truth -- which would mean you don't ALWAYS lie, which makes it a lie, which means you're an idiot!

the rule says tell me "this one thing about yourselves" and you are a genius...so i say that!
VERY good angle -- but not the answer. Because "this one thing about yourselves" is merely quoting someone rather than giving me information about yourself. But I DO admire that sneaky attempt at becoming a genius!

I am neither a moron nor a genius, I am an idiot?
(something along these lines)?

Yes, VERY MUCH along those lines, (in fact, I would almost concede here, but you added something that might counter your true answer and causes the whole thing to self destruct. Try rewording it.
Blackhawk (Blackhawk)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 8:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*****************CORRECTION********************

I told Veejay that his statement would be a lie which would "make you a moron" -- what I meant was that lie would make him an IDIOT. (this has no bearing on the answer, but I just thought I would clear up that he would be an idiot rather than a moron, and we all know idiots never want to be confused with morons ;-)

BH
Veejay (Veejay)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 8:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cant help LOL readin ur replies..!!

"I am an idiot but not a moron" ?
Blackhawk (Blackhawk)
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Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 10:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Beroean said:

I am neither a moron nor a genius, I am an idiot? (something along these lines)?

and Veejay said:

"I am an idiot but not a moron"?

I think my ride is just about over because both of these have put the true answer within their answers and now it's only a matter of time.... (Beccaann also emailed me with something close, which might work, but from another angle, so a lot of you guys are dancing all around this)

Now when is someone going solve my Moonlighting Madness one up above? (they also danced around it, very close)

BH
Beccaann (Beccaann)
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Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 5:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I suppose I could just say "I am not a moron"...or, rather "I am an idiot"...potentially either of these could work, depending on whether you want to consider the state of being a moron and that of being an idiot to be mutually exclusive.
Ludo (Ludo)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 1:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i am Lier!
Ludo (Ludo)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 1:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

grrr, sorry just read the 3 or 4 answers^^
and we can not change or delete our message :-(

ab imo pectore
Blackhawk (Blackhawk)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 4:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

********************SPOILER (BECCAANN GOT IT!!)********************

I suppose I could just say "I am not a moron"...
no, because, we don't know if you are telling the truth about that or not....besides, it's late and I can't get my mind wrapped around this enough right now to examine that....

or, rather "I am an idiot"...THIS is the answer, and as I said, it was contained IN the answers of several posters here, but then something else was added (like "I'm not a genius, etc.) that threw a monkey wrench in there. By saying that you are an idiot, you are neither lying NOR telling the truth because of a self-fulfilling "prophecy" (for lack of a better word). If you really ARE an idiot, then by stating that you are not telling a lie -- but then again you are because since your statement was TRUE, then you aren't lying so you cannot be an idiot with that statement. And if you are NOT really an idiot, then by saying so you are lying, in which case that statement would be a lie, which would make you an idiot, which would INSTANTLY of course make that lie TRUE, which would make you a moron (which would again INSTANTLY make that statement false, which.....) You see how this cycle never ends, sort of like the chicken and the egg.

This is just another version of the classic where the prisoner must make a final statement and if that statement is a lie then he will be burned at the stake, but if it is the truth, then he will be shot with a firing squad. His final statement is "I will be burned at the stake" which of course is neither a lie nor the truth until they try to fulfill it. If they start to burn him, then it was the truth, in which case they must shoot him, which would of course make his statement/prediction a lie, in which case they would have to burn him at the stake (this cycle continuing on forever.....).

Thus his captors can do NOTHING with him and he is potentially set free (yeah, right; if only it were that easy in real life!).

Thanks for playing, and GOOD JOB to all, especially BECCAANN!
Amar_gahlot (Amar_gahlot)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 10:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am NEITHER a moron NOR an idiot !
Blackhawk (Blackhawk)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 2:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am NEITHER a moron NOR an idiot !

Really? If this is true, then you are a moron, which makes it a lie. And since it is a lie then you would be an idiot -- something you denied in your statement, so the lie DOES continue and it validates your idiocy. (a lie about a lie or the truth about a lie, both = a lie, so you would confirm that you are in fact an idiot -- nothing personal of course.)
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Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 12:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Everything I say is false.

My Grandmother's Maiden name is Jones.

The Goldbach Conjecture is true.

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