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Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 2:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One poorly made shoe cost U.S. businesses in all industries millions of dollars.
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Did someone buy this shoe? Someone important? Did the poorly made shoe result in him/her having an accident? Did this person sue anyone?
Any knock-on effects?
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Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack):

Did someone buy this shoe? At one point, yes.
Someone important? Matter of opinion. The person was fairly well known.
Did the poorly made shoe result in him/her having an accident? Yes
Did this person sue anyone? No
Any knock-on effects? Yes
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Is the fact that the shoe is poorly made the relevant fact?
Or that it would be inexpensive, being cheaply made?
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Did the shoe fall apart? Relavant?
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Plebeian (Plebeian):
Is the fact that the shoe is poorly made the relevant fact? As opposed to other facts about the shoe? Yes.
Or that it would be inexpensive, being cheaply made? Oh, no. Right on the first bit.

Sciguy47 (Sciguy47) :
Did the shoe fall apart? Relavant? Yope - part of the shoe does, and that is relevant.
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Heel come off?
Sole become detached? (considering the title I'm guessing this one...)
Laces break?
Buckles or straps break?
Insole become detached?
When the shoe broke, would the damage be visible to a person standing close by?
Was the damaged shoe visible on TV?
Or by a large audience present?
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Plebeian (Plebeian):
Heel come off? No..
Sole become detached? (considering the title I'm guessing this one...) Yope - part of it became damaged.
Laces break?
Buckles or straps break?
Insole become detached? No to rest
When the shoe broke, would the damage be visible to a person standing close by? On inspection, yes.
Was the damaged shoe visible on TV? Yes.
Or by a large audience present? ..And Yes.
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Was the damaged shoe shown by the wearer to the public? As an example of poor workmanship?
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Was the wearer a politician? actor? singer? dancer? broadcaster? male? female?
Did this person fall? Did he/she need to go to the hospital?
Was the shoe company famous? Sports shoe company? Nike? Reebok? Child labour relevant?
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Plebeian (Plebeian):
Was the damaged shoe shown by the wearer to the public? As an example of poor workmanship? He was wearing the shoe in public, but was unaware that it was faulty.

Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack):

Was the wearer a politician? actor? singer? dancer? broadcaster? None of these
male? Yes female?
Did this person fall? Yes
Did he/she need to go to the hospital? Yes
Was the shoe company famous? Most likely, yes.
Sports shoe company? Nike? Reebok? Yes, and it could have been either of these, or several others.
Child labour relevant? No.
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Was he a sportsman?
Was he wearing the shoe during a televised game?
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Was he a sportsman? Yes he was.
Was he wearing the shoe during a televised game? Yes again.
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OK, is his sport - Basketball? American Football? Baseball? Soccer? Hockey? Tennis? Table tennis? Rugby?
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OK, is his sport - Basketball? American Football? This
Baseball? Soccer? Hockey? Tennis? Table tennis? Rugby?
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When he fell, did the man sue someone? The shoe manufacturers? The sporting body?
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When he fell, did the man sue someone? The shoe manufacturers? The sporting body? Nope, sued no one. The pan-US money loss has a bit more lateral a source.
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Does the money loss have to do with bets on the game? Advertisments?
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Beccaann (Beccaann):

Does the money loss have to do with bets on the game? No, but this is not totally unrelated.
Advertisments? No
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are stocks involved at all? were there going to be sports endorsements if he won the game?
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90kandi (90kandi):
are stocks involved at all? No, except maybe in very, very indirect ways.
were there going to be sports endorsements if he won the game? Possibly, but irrel.
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Did the failure of the shoe lead to the loss of the game?
Was the shoe made in the USA? Or made in a different country?
Did the failure of the shoe lead to some import embargo?
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Plebeian (Plebeian):

Did the failure of the shoe lead to the loss of the game? It may have, but irrel.
Was the shoe made in the USA? Or made in a different country? A different country is more likely, but also irrel.
Did the failure of the shoe lead to some import embargo? No, but interesting thought.
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Was the loss caused just to U.S. companies? Though companies other than (though possibly including) shoe manufacturers?
Stock market movements relevant as the source of loss?
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Plebeian (Plebeian):
Was the loss caused just to U.S. companies? To a great extent, yes I assume so. Though there may well be some loss in other countries, but it would probably be quite minor.
Though companies other than (though possibly including) shoe manufacturers? The loss affected companies literally in literally all industries.
Stock market movements relevant as the source of loss? No, stocks were unaffected.
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Did the loss of the shoe cause the government/authorities to introduce/increase some tax/fee/toll?
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Some change to the law involving footwear at work? Stricter guidelines for quality of footwear? Or rules governing safety notices?
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Did the loss of the shoe cause the government/authorities to introduce/increase some tax/fee/toll? nope

Plebeian (Plebeian):
Some change to the law involving footwear at work? No
Stricter guidelines for quality of footwear? Or rules governing safety notices? Nope
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did the reason behind the shoe being poorly made effect other products as well? is the person wearing the shoe important to the problem?
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90kandi (90kandi):

did the reason behind the shoe being poorly made effect other products as well? No - could well have been an isolated incident.
is the person wearing the shoe important to the problem? Absolutely.
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Did the shoe wearer publicly denounce the manufacturer after the event?
Was the shoe wearer in a position of power, sufficient to allow him to take revenge on the manufacturer?
Was the shoe wearer's injury bad enough to prevent him playing ever again?
Was the injury bad enough to prevent the wearer from carrying out another regular job?
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Plebeian (Plebeian):
Did the shoe wearer publicly denounce the manufacturer after the event? No
Was the shoe wearer in a position of power, sufficient to allow him to take revenge on the manufacturer? Yope - no revenge or real power, other than fame.
Was the shoe wearer's injury bad enough to prevent him playing ever again? No - he could play again, but he was out for the rest of the season.
Was the injury bad enough to prevent the wearer from carrying out another regular job? No
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Was some action of the player after the accident the result of the loss of money?
Was some action taken by the watching crowd the result of the loss of money?
Was some action by the sporting body in charge the cause of the loss?
Was some action by the stadium owners the cause of the loss?
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Was the game part of a tournament?
Were the financial losses due to people not working when they should have been?
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Was some action of the player after the accident the result of the loss of money? No
Was some action taken by the watching crowd the result of the loss of money? Yope to No - good chance some of them were connected, but it's not like they rioted or anything.
Was some action by the sporting body in charge the cause of the loss? No
Was some action by the stadium owners the cause of the loss? No (though again, there's a chance they contributed).

Nosleepboy (Nosleepboy):
Was the game part of a tournament? No, a regular season game.
Were the financial losses due to people not working when they should have been? YES!! Explore!
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Was there an advertising campign to promote this type of shoe running at the time of the incident?
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So after this incident, there was a general drop in productivity because many people took time off work?
Did they all stay home and follow the story on TV and in the papers? Since this was a famous shoe brand, I assume many people also owned a few pairs of these shoes? Did they spend their time playing sports instead of working, hoping that their shoe would break, and given the buzz surrounding this company, they would be able to claim compensation?

Is this a true story, by the way? Is it Reebok? The soles of all my Reeboks have disintegrated...
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Was the work-loss because of a fantasy football league? How about people talking about the incident?

Was the player a professional football player?

Was the player a quarterback? A kicker? If no, offense? Defense?
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Martinfg (Martinfg):
Was there an advertising campign to promote this type of shoe running at the time of the incident? No

Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack):
So after this incident, there was a general drop in productivity because many people took time off work? Yope - they didn't 'take time off' in the sense that they failed to show up at work.
Did they all stay home and follow the story on TV and in the papers? No...
Since this was a famous shoe brand, I assume many people also owned a few pairs of these shoes? Not terribly many, they're specialized (US football) shoes.
Did they spend their time playing sports instead of working, hoping that their shoe would break, and given the buzz surrounding this company, they would be able to claim compensation? No, but interesting idea.

Is this a true story, by the way? Fictionalized reality.
Is it Reebok? The soles of all my Reeboks have disintegrated... Could be - suffice it to say it is a major brand of shoe.

Nosleepboy (Nosleepboy):
Was the work-loss because of a fantasy football league? BIG Yope - not "a" league...
How about people talking about the incident? Could be some of this

Was the player a professional football player? Yes

Was the player a quarterback? A kicker? If no, offense? Defense? Offense, but not QB (thought he could've been to have had the same effect.

Good questions, almost there...
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Not "a" league...the league which the player was from? Many other leagues?
Did people spend their time in the office talking about it, re-enacting the scene etc?
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Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack):
Not "a" league...the league which the player was from? No...
Many other leagues? Yes - bearing in mind the original yoped question from nosleepboy
Did people spend their time in the office talking about it, re-enacting the scene etc? This is a big part of it, just a little more to flesh it out...
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They all formed their own little leagues? Did they fall down all over the place, thus destroying some of the equipment in their offices, factories etc?
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Were people at work not working because of many fantasy football leagues? Looking up the story and developments on the internet? Looking up stats and managing their own fantasy teams online/in the office?

The player himself...did the shoe alone cause the injury? How about the shoe in combination with being hit by another player? If another player...a player on his own team? The opposing team?
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Did the loss of the shoe lead to the loss of the game? Did this mean the next game (or games) in the series were more important? (or interesting?) and therefore people missed work to watch?
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Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack):
They all formed their own little leagues? What, US workers? Yopishly, but not in the literal sense...
Did they fall down all over the place, thus destroying some of the equipment in their offices, factories etc? No.

Nosleepboy (Nosleepboy):
Were people at work not working because of many fantasy football leagues? Yes
Looking up the story and developments on the internet? And yes again
Looking up stats and managing their own fantasy teams online/in the office? A thousand times yes..

* * ** ***SPOILER*** ** * *

One poorly made shoe cost U.S. businesses in all industries millions of dollars.

Fantasy football is an enormous and growing phenomenon in the US wherein groups of regular Joe's draft football players to create their teams, then use real week-by-week stats the players compile to score points in games against other owners' fantasy teams.

In this puzzle, a very high-profile US football player sustained a knee injury in a Monday Night Football game as the cleats (spikes) on his shoe snapped, causing his leg slide as he is tackled and his knee to bend awkwardly. The injury put him out for the season.

The following Tuesday morning, fantasy football players across the country scrambled to their computers to check on his status, drop him from their teams, add his back-up to their teams, etc... all on work time. The accumulative loss of productivity/man-hours measured in the millions across the nation.

If this link is still available, here's a study on the impact of fantasy football leagues on US industry in terms of productivity loss: http://tinyurl.com/lvryj.


Thanks everyone for playing!

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