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| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 534 Registered: 8-2004 |
A gardener was having trouble with animals eating vegetables from her fenced-in garden. She installed doors on the fence, and it kept them out. | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 590 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was the fence keeping the animals in, leaving them no option but to eat her vegetables or starve? | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 60 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did there used to be holes where the doors now are? | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1349 Registered: 2-2005 |
Relevant that you said she installed the doors on the fence, not in the fence? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 535 Registered: 8-2004 |
Plebeian (Plebeian) : Was the fence keeping the animals in, leaving them no option but to eat her vegetables or starve? No, the fence was built with no animals inside it, and was intended to keep them out. Martinfg (Martinfg): Did there used to be holes where the doors now are? No, continuous fence. (It wasn't very large - she stepped over it to get in the garden) Rabrab (Rabrab): Rabrab Relevant that you said she installed the doors on the fence, not in the fence? No, 'in the fence' is as good. Where the fence had been just fence, it now has doors. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 62 Registered: 8-2005 |
Do the doors allow access to the garden? | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1350 Registered: 2-2005 |
OK, did she install the doors in a standard way, i.e. in a way that allows them to swing open and closed, or slide in tracks? Could she have used pieces of plywood? sheetrock? plexiglas? for the same purpose? Is the fence made of wood boards? wire? (if wire, is it chainlink? chickenwire? hogwire? electric fencing? barbed wire?) stone? bricks? something else? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 506 Registered: 3-2006 |
Do the doors open both ways? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 595 Registered: 7-2006 |
Do the doors themselves keep the animals out? Or would the fence keep them out if it didn't have doors? Are the doors significantly higher than the fence? Are the doors made of the same material as the fence? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 536 Registered: 8-2004 |
Martinfg (Martinfg): Do the doors allow access to the garden? Yes. Rabrab (Rabrab): OK, did she install the doors in a standard way, i.e. in a way that allows them to swing open and closed, or slide in tracks? Yes, the doors swing open and closed. Could she have used pieces of plywood?sheetrock? plexiglas? for the same purpose? You mean what the doors were made of? Irrel. except for one detail. The things you list would all work, given a certain alteration. Is the fence made of wood boards? wire? (if wire, is it chainlink? chickenwire? hogwire? electric fencing? barbed wire?) stone? bricks? something else? Can't say I know the difference between chickenwire and hogwire, but it's along these lines, and not electric or barbed or anything. A short, light fence to keep out varmints. Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack): Do the doors open both ways? Yes. Good question. Plebeian (Plebeian): Do the doors themselves keep the animals out? Yope - good question, sorry for the lame answer. Explore. Or would the fence keep them out if it didn't have doors? Again, yope - there's a piece of information that would make this clearer. Are the doors significantly higher than the fence? No. Are the doors made of the same material as the fence? No. | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 596 Registered: 7-2006 |
Do the doors simply open when pushed? Are the doors fixed to one side of the fence by a hinge? Is there a locking mechanism which requires a key? (or combination? or remote control?) to unlock them? Are the animals tall enough to get over the fence? Do the doors allow some other animal access to the varmints? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 537 Registered: 8-2004 |
Plebeian (Plebeian): Do the doors simply open when pushed? Yes Are the doors fixed to one side of the fence by a hinge? Yes, they are hinged. They are not both on one side of the fence. Is there a locking mechanism which requires a key? (or combination? or remote control?) to unlock them? No, they just need ot be pushed. Are the animals tall enough to get over the fence? No. Do the doors allow some other animal access to the varmints? No, but getting OTRT. | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1351 Registered: 2-2005 |
Chicken wire has holes that are about 1 inch across, Hogwire the openings are about 3 to 4 inches across. Did she install doggie doors in the fence? So her dog(s)? could now get through the fence to chase the varmints out? Is what kind of varmint relevant? Rabbits? deer? raccoons? squirrels? moles? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 539 Registered: 8-2004 |
Rabrab (Rabrab): Chicken wire has holes that are about 1 inch across, Hogwire the openings are about 3 to 4 inches across. Thanks, I am a better person now. Did she install doggie doors in the fence? Yes, essentially. So her dog(s)? could now get through the fence to chase the varmints out? No - after installing the doors, the varmints could not get back in. Is what kind of varmint relevant? Rabbits? This, a bit relevant. deer? raccoons? squirrels? moles? | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1352 Registered: 2-2005 |
Did the doors open into live traps? So that the rabbits went through the doors in the fence and found themselves in cages in the garden? Or do you mean that the varmints couldn't get through the fence at all after she installed the doors? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 510 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are the rabbits strong enough to push the doors open? Relevant how they used to get into the garden, when there were no doors? They couldn't get over the fence, correct? And there were no holes in it? Did they burrow underground? Does she have dogs? If so, are the dogs physically necessary to keep out the rabbits? The size of the doggie doors relevant? The length of the interval between each door relevant? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 540 Registered: 8-2004 |
Rabrab (Rabrab): Did the doors open into live traps? No So that the rabbits went through the doors in the fence and found themselves in cages in the garden? Or do you mean that the varmints couldn't get through the fence at all after she installed the doors? Yes, the rabbits could not get in after the doors' installation. Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack): Are the rabbits strong enough to push the doors open? No. Relevant how they used to get into the garden, when there were no doors? Yes. They couldn't get over the fence, correct? Correct. And there were no holes in it? Did they burrow underground? No, no holes in it, and they could not get under it. Does she have dogs? No.. If so, are the dogs physically necessary to keep out the rabbits? The size of the doggie doors relevant? No, they're normal-size doggie doors, big enough for medium-to-big dogs. The length of the interval between each door relevant? It might help some. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 68 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did the rabbits used to get in through the holes in the chicken wire? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 541 Registered: 8-2004 |
Martinfg (Martinfg): Did the rabbits used to get in through the holes in the chicken wire? No, with a minor yope depending on interpretation. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 69 Registered: 8-2005 |
Was the chicken wire not fine enough to keep then out? (i.e. although the wire was completley intact the rabbits were small enough to go through the naturally occuring holes in the wire). | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 600 Registered: 7-2006 |
Were there gaps in the fence which allowed the rabbits in, which have now been filled with doors? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 542 Registered: 8-2004 |
Martinfg (Martinfg): Was the chicken wire not fine enough to keep then out? (i.e. although the wire was completley intact the rabbits were small enough to go through the naturally occuring holes in the wire). No, they couldn't fit through it. Plebeian (Plebeian): Were there gaps in the fence which allowed the rabbits in, which have now been filled with doors? Not quite, no. At one point, gaps were present in the fence, however. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 75 Registered: 8-2005 |
Were the gaps caused by the fence posts? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 608 Registered: 7-2006 |
Just to clarify - before the doors were fitted, the varmints were coming into the garden, correct? And out again, correct? But not over the fence, true? And not under the fence, true? And not through the previously existing gaps, true? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 544 Registered: 8-2004 |
Martinfg (Martinfg): Were the gaps caused by the fence posts? No. Plebeian (Plebeian): Just to clarify - before the doors were fitted, the varmints were coming into the garden, correct? Correct. And out again, correct? Yes. But not over the fence, true? True. And not under the fence, true? True. And not through the previously existing gaps, true? Yope - the gaps were 'previously existing' in the sense that they were there when the rabbits got in, but... | ||
| Wunderland (Wunderland)
New member Username: Wunderland Post Number: 1320 Registered: 3-2005 |
Were the gaps created by dogs? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 547 Registered: 8-2004 |
Wunderland (Wunderland): Were the gaps created by dogs? No, but... | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 621 Registered: 7-2006 |
Did some other animal create the gaps in the fence? Or continually create gaps in the fence? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 548 Registered: 8-2004 |
Plebeian (Plebeian): Did some other animal create the gaps in the fence? Or continually create gaps in the fence? Yes. Not really continuously, this happened twice before the gardener caught on to what was occuring. | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1844 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ah, so some other critter was making holes in the fence and the bunnies used said holes to ravage the garden? But when she put the doors in the hole-making-varmint used them instead and didn't have to make holes anymore so the bunnies couldn't get in? They just lined up outside the fence peering through their cupped paws at the lovely veggies inside and sighing? | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 624 Registered: 7-2006 |
Horse? Pony? Some other 'pet' animal? | ||
| 0815 (0815)
New member Username: 0815 Post Number: 486 Registered: 3-2006 |
Did the rabbits themselves gnaw their way through the fence? After the doors were installed, was any of the chicken wire left? on the ground level? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 549 Registered: 8-2004 |
Bodo (Bodo): Ah, so some other critter was making holes in the fence and the bunnies used said holes to ravage the garden? Yes But when she put the doors in the hole-making-varmint used them instead and didn't have to make holes anymore so the bunnies couldn't get in? Yes They just lined up outside the fence peering through their cupped paws at the lovely veggies inside and sighing? Yes, quite longingly. Plebeian (Plebeian): Horse? Pony? Some other 'pet' animal? No - to save some animal guesswork I'll tell you that the other animals were badgers. 0815 (0815): Did the rabbits themselves gnaw their way through the fence? No, they could not. After the doors were installed, was any of the chicken wire left? on the ground level? Yes, the rest of the fence was still up. The main ideas are here, just a few more dots to connect... | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 628 Registered: 7-2006 |
Presumably the badgers themselves were actually welcome? Or at least more welcome than the rabbits? Was the garden belonging to a domestic house? Or some kind of animal sanctuary? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 551 Registered: 8-2004 |
Plebeian (Plebeian): Presumably the badgers themselves were actually welcome? Or at least more welcome than the rabbits? This is the case. The badgers do not disturb the veggies. Badgers are cool like that. Was the garden belonging to a domestic house? Or some kind of animal sanctuary? A house, but in a rural area. The house had a fairly large yard. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 115 Registered: 8-2005 |
So badgers used to come into the garden by making holes in the fence? The rabbits then used these holes to follow the badgers in, and being particularly troublesome ate all the nice stuff in the garden? The doors were put in to allow easy access for the badgers,(meaning they did not have to damage the fence) but this kept the rabbits out as they were not strong enough to open them? What is left to discover? | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 552 Registered: 8-2004 |
Martinfg (Martinfg): So badgers used to come into the garden by making holes in the fence? Yes - knocking part of the fence down, actually. The rabbits then used these holes to follow the badgers in, and being particularly troublesome ate all the nice stuff in the garden? Yes The doors were put in to allow easy access for the badgers,(meaning they did not have to damage the fence) but this kept the rabbits out as they were not strong enough to open them? Yes What is left to discover? I think that'll do, some small details that probably aren't worth the time to examine... | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 553 Registered: 8-2004 |
* * * * *** SPOILER *** * * * * A gardener was having trouble with animals eating vegetables from her fenced-in garden. She installed doors on the fence, and it kept them out. The gardener hoped to solve the problem by installing a fence, but the following morning she saw that the rabbits were back, as two sections of the fence were damaged, one at the south end of the fence and one at the north end. She fixed them, but the next day found the same thing had happened again. Knowing that the rabbits were too small to break through the fence, she stayed up that night to see what was happening. She watched as a family of badgers coming from the south broke down a section of the fence, walked through the garden, and knocked down a section at the other side. They kept going until they reached a nearby stream, and then returned, walking through the garden again. With the fence damaged, the rabbits were able to return. She later learned that badgers tend to learn a single path from one point to another and follow it if they can, rather than altering their path around the garden.To address the problem, she installed doggie doors on either side of the fence that were too heavy for the rabbits to push open, but allowed the badgers to walk through. It worked; the badgers passed through the garden and the rabbits were stuck outside. I'd like to point out for any parents out there that this puzzle is directly ripped off of an episode of "Bob the Builder" in which Farmer Pickles needs Bob's team to build and repair a fence for him. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 121 Registered: 8-2005 |
Nice puzzle, Badgers rock and should be given free access wherever they want to go! Rabbits are ok too but I can see how people get annoyed with them! | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 1875 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ah, so if you're watching Bob you're probably also watching Blue and Dora, right? Maybe the Wiggles? |
