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Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 10:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Alfred has never known of Cecily to engage in political activism nor has he ever heard her express any view about women's roles. But he has excellent reason to believe that she is either a strong feminist or a strong traditionalist about women's roles, although he has no evidence that would help him decide which side of the spectrum she is on. How come??
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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 11:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

both adults? relevant?
their relationship relevant? are they family? friends? colleagues? one a client of the other?

are any of these things relevant about cecily: her religion? race? language she speaks? her physical appearance? the clothes she wears? her hobbies? her pets? her children? her romantic relationships? her job? her education?

the reason - based on something he has heard her say? something she has done? something she owns? something she has named? something she wears? the title she uses? is it based on the way someone else treats her? or what other people say about her?

are any of these things relevant: cooking? cleaning? housework? child rearing? opening doors for someone? the armed forces? religious ministry?

would someone have to know her well to have this 'excellent reason'? would it be apparent from seeing her briefly?
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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 11:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 11:01 pm:
both adults?\Cicily, yes--Alfred, possibly but not necessarily} relevant?{Cicily, yes--Alfred, no}
their relationship relevant?yes are they family? no friends? possiblybut not very close friends colleagues? possibly one a client of the other? possibly

are any of these things relevant about cecily: her religion? no race? no language she speaks? no her physical appearance? no the clothes she wears? no her hobbies? no her pets? no her children? no her romantic relationships? yes her job? no her education? no

the reason - based on something he has heard her say? possibly something she has done? yes something she owns? no something she has named?yope something she wears? no the title she uses? yope is it based on the way someone else treats her? no or what other people say about her? possoibly

are any of these things relevant: cooking? cleaning? housework? child rearing? opening doors for someone? the armed forces? religious ministry?nothing in this list is relevant

would someone have to know her well to have this 'excellent reason'? no would it be apparent from seeing her briefly? no
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Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 1:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so is the relevant thing who she is married to? or who she is in a romantic relationship? or whether she is married?

is she married? is she living with someone? engaged? divorced? is attitude to divorce relevant? attitude to living together unwed? is it relevant whether or not she takes her husbands name? does she? does she have a different name to her husband?

for someone to believe this about her - is it only necessary to know about her romantic relationships? to know about her marital status?to know her name?

divorce settlements relevant?

is it relevant who she has married? or is in a romantic relationship with? is it a man? is homosexuality an issue here?

do we need to know anything about her romantic partner? his status? does her partner have a title? a rank? does she use his rank? his title?
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Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 10:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Opinions about pornography relevant?
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Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 8:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 1:20 pm:
so is the relevant thing who she is married to? yope or who she is in a romantic relationship? see next answer or whether she is married? yes

is she married? yes is she living with someone? her husband engaged? no divorced? no is attitude to divorce relevant? no attitude to living together unwed? no is it relevant whether or not she takes her husbands name? yes does she? possibly does she have a different name to her husband? possibly

for someone to believe this about her - is it only necessary to know about her romantic relationships? no to know about her marital status? noishto know her name? noish You're very much ORT though (on the right track)

divorce settlements relevant? no

is it relevant who she has married? yes or is in a romantic relationship with? see previous answer is it a man? yes is homosexuality an issue here? no

do we need to know anything about her romantic partner? no his status? no does her partner have a title? irrela rank? dittodoes she use his rank? no his title? no
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Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 10:30 pm:
Opinions about pornography relevant? no, but that's a good example of where radical feminists & the religious right agree--as opposed to anti-censorship liberals like me
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Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 10:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

let's say she is married to Tom Barnes..

does she use the title 'mrs'? 'ms'? miss? relevant?
does she use the name mrs (or whatever title) barnes? mrs tom barnes? mrs cecily barnes?
does she always use the same name? relevant?

I would imagine a real traditionalist would call herself Mrs Tom Barnes - correct? and one might expect a feminist to call herself ms cecily 'maidenname' - correct?

do we have to find a name she calls herself which could be chosen by either a traditionalist or a feminist?

should we be identifying a particular situation when she uses her name? is filling in forms relevant?

does her husband take her name?

does alfred believe this because of one incident? something that happens? or just from knowing her name? is he mistaken about the name she uses in some way? is it relevant that Cecil - part of her name, is a man's name? does he think she is using her husband's name but actually using her own?
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Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 10:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Posted on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 10:05 pm:
let's say she is married to Tom Barnes..

does she use the title 'mrs'? Alfred doesn't know 'ms'? ditto miss? ditto relevant? yes
does she use the name mrs (or whatever title) barnes?Alfred doesn\'t know mrs tom barnes? ditto mrs cecily barnes? ditto
does she always use the same name? yes relevant? yes

I would imagine a real traditionalist would call herself Mrs Tom Barnes - correct? Depends on the context."Mrs. Tom B," would be formal At a party she'd probably introiduce herself as Cicily (that's the name my posting used, not Cecily, by the way) Barnes and one might expect a feminist to call herself ms cecily 'maidenname' - correct? yes

do we have to find a name she calls herself which could be chosen by either a traditionalist or a feminist? yope

should we be identifying a particular situation when she uses her name? well, it's not a formal enough context that a traditionalist would identify herself as "Mrs. Tom B" is filling in forms relevant? no

does her husband take her name? no

does alfred believe this because of one incident? yope something that happens? see next answer or just from knowing her name?yope is he mistaken about the name she uses in some way? no is it relevant that Cecil - part of her name, is a man's name? no does he think she is using her husband's name but actually using her own? no
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Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 2:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Your first post actually uses the name Cecily, not Cicily.
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Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 4:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello, everyone. I've been lurking for a few days since I found this great site, and thought I'd join in the fun, if you don't mind. ;) Also, please let me know if I violate the board's ettiquette or rules when I post. No need to make myself unwelcome so soon.

Did Alfred know Cicily before she was married?

Does Cicily hyphenate her last name (combining her husband's name and her maiden name)?

Did Cicily and her husband have the same last name before they were married?
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Did Alfred hear Cicily correct someone over her surname - I'm Cicily Barnes, not Smith - and not know if she wanted to be known by her married name or maiden name but that, if it mattered that much, she had strong views one way or the other?
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Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 - 4:11 pm:
Hello, everyone. I've been lurking for a few days since I found this great site, and thought I'd join in the fun, if you don't mind. ;) Also, please let me know if I violate the board's ettiquette or rules when I post. No need to make myself unwelcome so soon.

Did Alfred know Cicily before she was married? no

Does Cicily hyphenate her last name (combining her husband's name and her maiden name)? no

Did Cicily and her husband have the same last name before they were married? no
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Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 2:57 pm:
Did Alfred hear Cicily correct someone over her surname - I'm Cicily Barnes, not Smith - and not know if she wanted to be known by her married name or maiden name but that, if it mattered that much, she had strong views one way or the other? no
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HINT: Find out what Alfred knows or doesn't know abt. Cicily's husband
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Does Alfred know the husband's first name?
Last name?

Has Alfred ever seen the husband before?
Spoken with him?
Are they (Cicily's husband and Alfred) friends?
Acquaintances?
Enemies?

Is Cicily's husband alive? Dead? Dying?
Does Alfred know if Cicily's husband is alive or dead?

Was Cicily's husband present when Alfred was given reason to believe that Cicily has strong views on women's roles?
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Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 2:44 pm:
Does Alfred know the husband's first name? irrel
Last name{no}

Has Alfred ever seen the husband before?possibly but, in fact, he may never see him at all
Spoken with him?possibly
Are they (Cicily's husband and Alfred) friends? no
Acquaintances? possibly but only of a very superficia; sort, since A doesn't know the husband's last name
Enemies? no

Is Cicily's husband alive? yes Dead? no Dying? irrel
Does Alfred know if Cicily's husband is alive or dead? yes

Was Cicily's husband present when Alfred was given reason to believe that Cicily has strong views on women's roles? possibly
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HINT: THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT'S EMERGED HERE IS THAT ALFRED DOESN'T KNOW WHETHER CICILY HAS TAKEN HER HUSBAND'S LAST NAME
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ANOTHER HINT: A KNOWS C. IS MARRIED, HE KNOWS HER NAME, & HE DOESN'T KNOW WHETHER SHE HAS TAKEN HER HUSBAND'S NAME. HE ALSO KNOWS ONE OTHER RELEVANT FACT--FIND OUT WHAT IT IS!!!!
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Is this other fact regarding her husband?

If so, is it something about his name? His title? His family? His profession? His interests? His age? His religion? His beliefs? His friends? His coworkers? Their marriage? An action he has taken? Or hasn't taken? Is it something that anyone could tell about her husband? Or would they have to know him? Know Cicily? See him? Talk to him? See Cicily? Talk to Cicily?
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Is her last name a name she probably wouldn't want? so she would have to be a strong feminist to want to keep it for herself, while she would have to be a strong traditionalist to be willing to take it from her husband?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 7:30 pm:
Is her last name a name she probably wouldn't want? so she would have to be a strong feminist to want to keep it for herself, while she would have to be a strong traditionalist to be willing to take it from her husband? yes
{***********SPOILER************}
Cicily Malvern has a notorious name, but she's not the one who made it notorious. The other CM is a famous mass murderer. Knowing that our CM is married but not whether v'Malvern' is her husband's name, Alfred reasonable infers that she must have a strong ideological reason for not avoiding such a notorious name. Please see my new puzzle.

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