| Author | Message | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1043 Registered: 10-2001 |
Try this for a bit of fun In the 18th century they believed a Moslem did it In the 20th century a Scot said it could never be done In the 21st century a German does it regularly | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1044 Registered: 10-2001 |
Any early spoylers - please email | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3208 Registered: 12-2000 |
Are there any supposed sterotypical national behaviours here? Are the nationalities relevant? The faith of the Moslem? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1045 Registered: 10-2001 |
Are there any supposed sterotypical national behaviours here? Noish Are the nationalities relevant? Yes The faith of the Moslem? Noish | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 969 Registered: 6-2001 |
A particular moslem? One that we're likely to have heard of? Mohammed? Saladin? Is it relevant who "they" are? Just people in general? All people who were likely to express an opinion on who did it? A particular Scot? One that we're likely to have heard of? Lister? Watt? Flemming? AA Milne? Irvine Welsh? Lorraine Kelly? A particular German? One that we're likely to have heard of? Grazia? Angela Merkel? Dietmar Feenwelt? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1047 Registered: 10-2001 |
A particular moslem? yes One that we're likely to have heard of? Some of you will have - likely you John Mohammed? Saladin? No to both Is it relevant who "they" are? Yes Just people in general? Yope All people who were likely to express an opinion on who did it? No but most A particular Scot? Yes One that we're likely to have heard of? Probably not Lister? Watt? Flemming? AA Milne? Irvine Welsh? Lorraine Kelly? No to all A particular German? Yes One that we're likely to have heard of? Yope Grazia? Angela Merkel? Dietmar Feenwelt? No to all | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 91 Registered: 10-2003 |
That particular german: Could we have heard of him because he is: scientist? artist? politician? male or female? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1048 Registered: 10-2001 |
That particular german: Could we have heard of him because he is: Yes scientist? artist? politician? No to these male or female? Male | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2003 |
Can we know him from television? | ||
| Wunderland (Wunderland)
New member Username: Wunderland Post Number: 1357 Registered: 3-2005 |
Okay, time to invoke the LTPF List of Occupations. Is the German: artistic/musical/writer? Banking/financial/real estate? Clerical/Administrative? Computer related / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research ? Entertainment / Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation ? Food Service ? Sports? Entertainment? Jailbird / Criminal? Religion? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1049 Registered: 10-2001 |
Okay, time to invoke the LTPF List of Occupations. Good idea Is the German: artistic/musical/writer? No Banking/financial/real estate? No Clerical/Administrative? No Computer related Yes Hardware No Construction / Craftsman ? No Education / Academic Research ? Yope Entertainment / Media ? Yope Executive / Management ? No Hospitality / Travel ? No Legal Services ? No Manufacturing / Distributions ? Noish Medical / Health Services ? No Politics / Government / Military ? No Sales / Marketing ? No Technical / Science / Engineering ? Yesish Teaching / Child care? No Transportation ? No Food Service ? No Sports? Yope Entertainment? Yope Jailbird / Criminal? No Religion? No | ||
| Klang (Klang)
New member Username: Klang Post Number: 42 Registered: 7-2006 |
does the answer lie DEEP within? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 971 Registered: 6-2001 |
I was just thinking exactly the same thing Klang. Is the German called Jerry? or Hun? or Bosch? Or... something like that, anyway. | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1050 Registered: 10-2001 |
Klang does the answer lie DEEP within? Very Good! Bentarm Is the German called Jerry? or Hun? or Bosch? No Or... something like that, anyway. Yes John! | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2003 |
Is it a kind of word-joke? Is calculating involved? Or the sense of life? Is the puzzle based on a fictional story? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1051 Registered: 10-2001 |
Cookie Is it a kind of word-joke? not really Is calculating involved? Yesish but could be misleading Or the sense of life? Is the puzzle based on a fictional story? No its all based on facts perhaps Klang or Bentarm could assist Cookie here? | ||
| Klang (Klang)
New member Username: Klang Post Number: 43 Registered: 7-2006 |
ahem, no time to help here... They started at 2pm (UK time)! I'll go and check, cheers | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 111 Registered: 10-2003 |
The "it" the german does, is it something from everyday-life? Like cooking a meal? Is the german the only one who does "it"? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1052 Registered: 10-2001 |
The "it" the german does, is it something from everyday-life? Yope Like cooking a meal? A bit more specialist than that Is the german the only one who does "it"? Good question - I'm not certain - Maybe not but he is the best at it | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 119 Registered: 10-2003 |
Is speed involved? Driving a car? Computer games? Is the german world champion in something? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1053 Registered: 10-2001 |
Is speed involved? Yesish Driving a car? No Computer games? Yope Is the german world champion in something? Yesish | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 124 Registered: 10-2003 |
The german can do something very fast? A scot said that it can't be done at all? Is music involved? Is the internet involved? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1054 Registered: 10-2001 |
The german can do something very fast? Yes but that could be very misleading A scot said that it can't be done at all? Yes Is music involved? No Is the internet involved? Not directly (but you can learn about it all from the internet) | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 276 Registered: 8-2006 |
Hi Beroean, is this puzzle about chess (once again)? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1055 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hi Tobias! Hi Beroean, is this puzzle about chess (once again)? Yes of course! :-) | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 279 Registered: 8-2006 |
Well, I don't know too much about chess, I only play 'Go' occasionally. But I seem to give the impression that I like chess, given the number of people who offered me a chessboard... Are the statements about the match human versus machine? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1056 Registered: 10-2001 |
Are the statements about the match human versus machine? Yes! | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 282 Registered: 8-2006 |
So the 'it' of your statement refers to: to construct a chess machine/computer able to beat a human? to beat the world champion? Is the german working on the Deep Fritz chess computer (is it called like this)? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1057 Registered: 10-2001 |
So the 'it' of your statement refers to: to construct a chess machine/computer able to beat a human? Not exactly but ... to beat the world champion? beating the best players is involved, yes Is the german working on the Deep Fritz chess computer No but... (is it called like this)? Yes Well done - you are completely on the right track but you still need to find the lateral twist Who could be the Moslem and the Scot - does anyone know? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 213 Registered: 10-2006 |
Well, I've seen pictures of that purported 18th century chess-playing robot. So is the 'it' "to create a robot that can play chess"? Or "to create a machine that can play chess"? Perhaps the scotsman was some pioneer in robotics/computers: Charles Babbage? | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 214 Registered: 10-2006 |
Does the German guy own a factory? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1058 Registered: 10-2001 |
Well, I've seen pictures of that purported 18th century chess-playing robot. Very good - what does it look like? So is the 'it' "to create a robot that can play chess"? No (not quite but almost) Or "to create a machine that can play chess"? No (not quite but almost) Perhaps the scotsman was some pioneer in robotics/computers: Charles Babbage? Good idea but no Does the German guy own a factory? No You are almost there - don't give up. I am tempted to say that you have done enough but you might want the satisfaction of deciding what "it" is by thinking about the picture you have seen | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 217 Registered: 10-2006 |
Oh, I don't remember exactly what the picture was like, it was like 15 years ago when I was 13 and read some book about chess. But as I recall the general explaination about how the thing worked was that some good chess player was sitting hidden in a box below the chess board, and he would be able to see or know the movements of the pieces somehow (don't ask me how) and then he would control from there a arabianish doll-like quasi-robot figure which would play the pieces. But I may remember it wrongly. But I'm sure the picture is to be found just a google-search away from here... And of course the player behind this magic-trick robot would have had to be pretty good at the game -- as I remembered it the 'robot' became pretty famous since it had beaten some really good players. Perhaps the thing that the scotsman thought could never be done was to beat a machine at chess? And perhaps the German guy is you? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1059 Registered: 10-2001 |
In the 18th century they believed a Moslem did it In the 20th century a Scot said it could never be done In the 21st century a German does it regularly Oh, I don't remember exactly what the picture was like, it was like 15 years ago when I was 13 and read some book about chess. But as I recall the general explaination about how the thing worked was that some good chess player was sitting hidden in a box below the chess board, and he would be able to see or know the movements of the pieces somehow (don't ask me how) and then he would control from there a arabianish doll-like quasi-robot figure which would play the pieces. But I may remember it wrongly You have a very good memory! But I'm sure the picture is to be found just a google-search away from here... Try this one…. Arabianish Doll-Like Quasi-Robot Figure And of course the player behind this magic-trick robot would have had to be pretty good at the game -- as I remembered it the 'robot' became pretty famous since it had beaten some really good players. 100% Perhaps the thing that the scotsman thought could never be done was to beat a machine at chess? Try adjusting that equation slightly And perhaps the German guy is you? In one respect I wish it was but the only problem is that I am English born and bred, oh, and also the fact that.... Almost there! | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 147 Registered: 10-2003 |
They thought a moslem built a machine that can beat a human in chess. (But it was a fake) A scotsman said that it is impossible that a machine beats a human in chess. An a German builts such machines regularly? That is where my idea starts to sound strange. | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 218 Registered: 10-2006 |
Is the Moslem human? adult? male? Or is the Moslem=the Turk=the Chess-playing Automaton "Turk"? If the latter, adjust the equation as follows: In the 18th century they thought a chess-playing-machine, "the Turk", could beat a human being? Sometime in the 20th century some scotsman though a chess-playing machine would never beat a human being? And now in the 21th century... etc. Or perhaps exchange "human chess grandmaster" for "human being" in the above. | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1060 Registered: 10-2001 |
Cookie They thought a moslem built a machine that can beat a human in chess. Yope (But it was a fake) Yes A scotsman said that it is impossible that a machine beats a human in chess. Yes An a German builts such machines regularly? No That is where my idea starts to sound strange. but you are getting there Mani Is the Moslem human? No adult? male? Or is the Moslem=the Turk=the Chess-playing Automaton "Turk"? YES If the latter, adjust the equation as follows: In the 18th century they thought a chess-playing-machine, "the Turk", could beat a human being? Yes Sometime in the 20th century some scotsman though a chess-playing machine would never beat a human being? Yesish – thought that they could never beat the best humans (Grand Masters And now in the 21th century... etc. Or perhaps exchange "human chess grandmaster" for "human being" in the above. Yes One more step to finish the job | ||
| Mani (Mani)
New member Username: Mani Post Number: 220 Registered: 10-2006 |
One more step: do you mean the fact that the German is a computer, Deep Fritz or Deep Blue or something? Or shall we figure out who the Scot is too? | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1061 Registered: 10-2001 |
One more step: do you mean the fact that the German is a computer, Deep Fritz or Deep Blue or something? Yes Or shall we figure out who the Scot is too? If you can do that you'd be very clever / knowledgable! I don't expect you to - it's the least well known part of the puzzle (unless you are a chess nerd like me). I'll spoyle later | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1062 Registered: 10-2001 |
****************** SPOILER ********************* In the 18th century they believed a Moslem did it In the 20th century a Scot said it could never be done In the 21st century a German does it regularly “It” = a machine / computer capable of beating the best humans at the game of chess. The 18th century Moslem was an elaborate hoax called “The Turk” The Turk The 20th century Scot was International Chess Master, David Levy David Levy The 21st century German is a German computer programme / program called “Fritz” and the most powerful version is called “Deep Fritz” FRITZ In the last few days Fritz beat the current World Champion, Vladamir Kramnik 4 – 2 (representing 4 draws and two wins for Firtz) Fritz 4 – 2 Kramnik |
