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Adam said something to Joan which incorrectly gave her the impression that he had old fashioned values. However, no misunderstanding of what Adam said was involved.
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Did he say 'after you' when they were going through a doorway?
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Did he say 'after you' when they were going through a doorway? No, not that quickie!
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Was it something to do with etiquette? Faith? Morals?
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Was it something to do with etiquette? Faith? Morals? This
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Did he appear altruistic in what he said, but he actually had a selfish motive for saying it?
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Did he appear altruistic in what he said, but he actually had a selfish motive for saying it?
No, it was just a statement of fact
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Was he saying something about someone else?
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Was he saying something about someone else?
No, he was talking about her, but there are other people involved
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Is Adam old fashioned?
Are the clothes Joan wears relevant?
Something about her legal state?
About the way she acts?
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Is Adam old fashioned? No
Are the clothes Joan wears relevant? No
Something about her legal state? Not sure what you mean...explain?
About the way she acts? The implied 'old fashionedness concerns the way she acts
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Does Joan deliberately act in this 'old fashioned' way or does she only realise it when Adam talked about her?
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Does Joan deliberately act in this 'old fashioned' way or does she only realise it when Adam talked about her?
No, she doesn't act in any way at all - but she thinks that he has assumed certain actions of hers and reacted in an old fashioned way
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Her actions - do they involve anything she says?
To do with morals - sexual morals? Returning lost property? Other 'being honest' situations? Speaking the truth?
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Her actions - do they involve anything she says? No
To do with morals - sexual morals? This Returning lost property? Other 'being honest' situations? Speaking the truth? And none of the others
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Did she not want to sleep with him? And he assumed that it was for traditional reasons? But in fact she didn't want to, no way, not ever?
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Did she not want to sleep with him? And he assumed that it was for traditional reasons? But in fact she didn't want to, no way, not ever?
Their sleeping together was never an issue
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Did she assume that something he said was a matter of choice, when it was not (e.g. she assumed he 'saved himself' for marriage)?

Is their relationship relavent?

Did the statement involve dating? Relationships? Any physical actions?
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Did she assume that something he said was a matter of choice, when it was not (e.g. she assumed he 'saved himself' for marriage)?
No, but you're OTRT

Is their relationship relavent? Yes

Did the statement involve dating? Relationships? Yes Any physical actions? No
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Was she abstaining for health reasons?
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Was she abstaining for health reasons?
No, and bear in mind he didn't think she was old fashioned, she thought that he was old fashioned from what he said
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Did he come over as a gentleman in what he said?
Was he abstaining for health reasons?
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Did he come over as a gentleman in what he said?
No, she was (or could have been) offended
Was he abstaining for health reasons? No
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Did he make a comment about himself (eg I never kiss and tell)? Or about her? Another woman? Or women in general?

What he said would be taken as offensive by most women today? but he didn't mean it in an offensive way?
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he said sommething like :

"Are you Virgin"
or "This needs a Virgin Person"
:-)

ab imo pectore
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Are Adam and Joan related? Is it possible Joan would not have misunderstood Adam if they were related/not related?
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Did he make a comment about himself (eg I never kiss and tell)? Or about her? This Another woman? Or women in general?

What he said would be taken as offensive by most women today? No, in context it could be mildly offensive in the right context but he didn't mean it in an offensive way? He had genuine reasons for saying it

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he said sommething like :

"Are you Virgin" No, but vaguely OTRT
or "This needs a Virgin Person"

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Are Adam and Joan related? No Is it possible Joan would not have misunderstood Adam if they were related/not related? If they were related, the situation would be very unlikely to arise
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Did he propose to her?
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Did he propose to her? No
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Are they friends? Lovers?
Did he say anything about the way she interacts with men?
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Are they friends? Yope Lovers? No
Did he say anything about the way she interacts with men? Yope...this is something to do with it
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Is it relevant what age they have?
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Is it relevant what age they have? Yesish to yes. Yes, infact
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Is he teenaged? 20s? 30s? 40s?...etc...
Same for her.

Birth control relevant? Monogamy? Polygamy? Marriage? Homosexuality? Pornography? Abortion?
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Is he teenaged? 20s? 30s? 40s?...etc...
He is somewhere in his 20s, 30s or early 40s. She is roughly the same age
Same for her.

Birth control relevant? Yes to yope Monogamy? Polygamy? Marriage? YES Homosexuality? Pornography? Abortion? No to the rest
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Hint: They are old school acquaintances who have met up in their late 20s
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by chance
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**********RECAP************
Adam and Joan meet by chance about ten years after leaving school (they were in the same class). They have a discussion involving Joan's current situation, during which Adam makes a comment which leads Joan to believe he holds old fashioned opinions. In fact, he says what he says for a completely logical reason and doesn't realise at the time how it might sound
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Did Joan have children with her? near her? A husband with her? A man near her who could have been thought to be with her?
Did Adam say something like "I see you're married" based on seeing what he thought was a family group - whereas Joan thought he was assuming she wouldn't have a child if she weren't married?
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Putting "Quickie" or "This should go quickly" in the puzzle statement always causes a puzzle to go on and on, you know that. And putting it in the puzzle title, well, that's just asking for a never-ending puzzle.

Does she have children? If so, are their ages relevant?
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Did Joan have children with her? Yope near her? same yope as before A husband with her? No - good question A man near her who could have been thought to be with her? No
Did Adam say something like "I see you're married" based on seeing what he thought was a family group - whereas Joan thought he was assuming she wouldn't have a child if she weren't married? This is very close...just a couple more details

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Putting "Quickie" or "This should go quickly" in the puzzle statement always causes a puzzle to go on and on, you know that. And putting it in the puzzle title, well, that's just asking for a never-ending puzzle.
I know - next time I think I will have to add 'This one will go on until next year

Does she have children? Yope If so, are their ages relevant? YES
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Step children? Does he ask if they are hers? Are they old enough to've been born when she was still in school?
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Step children? No Does he ask if they are hers? Are they old enough to've been born when she was still in school? No, but good idea
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does she have one child?

is the child/are the children over 5? 10? 15? 20?
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does she have one child? Yope

is the child/are the children over 5? 10? 15? 20? No to all
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So she's pregnant?
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So she's pregnant? YES!
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so he saw she was pregnant and said something like so when are you getting married? or when did you get married?
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Or: "Is your husband with you"?
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Did Joan have a regular boyfriend at school? Was she engaged?
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Is Joan a lesbian?

Is Joan pregnant via in vitro fertilization or from a sperm donor?

Does Adam assume that she's married to the father of the child?
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Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 3:19 pm:
so he saw she was pregnant and said something like so when are you getting married? or when did you get married? <b>Yes - the exact situation was that Adam looked surprised that Joan was pregnant and said "Congratulations!". Joan asked (assuming the ex-school grapevine was still running) "So you didn't know I was pregnant?". Adam: "I didn't even know you were married!"

Cookie (Cookie)
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Or: "Is your husband with you"?
No

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Did Joan have a regular boyfriend at school? Was she engaged? No, or irrelevant to these

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Posted on Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 12:32 pm:
Is Joan a lesbian?

Is Joan pregnant via in vitro fertilization or from a sperm donor?
No to these
Does Adam assume that she's married to the father of the child? Yes, that is how the comment comes across. However, Joan actually is!

So you know now what Adam's comment was and how it seemed old fashioned - the only question is, he's not, so why did he say it?
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Did he see her wedding ring?
Did he meet her husband right before?
Did someone tell him she is married right before?
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Cookie (Cookie)
Posted on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 - 8:43 am:
Did he see her wedding ring? YES!
Did he meet her husband right before?
Did someone tell him she is married right before?

********** SPOILER ***********
Adam bumped into a heavily pregnant Joan in a shopping centre about ten years after they had both left school. Assuming the school grapevine would still be running, Joan was surprised to learn he didn't already know she was pregnant.
"So you didn't know I was pregnant" asked Joan, rubbing her bump with her left hand, at which point Adam spotted her wedding ring.
"No - I didn't even know you'd got married"


Thanks for playing everyone

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