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Posted on Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 10:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As soon as the students were told to start meditating, Electra yelled, "Help! Help!" She was in no danger, but her response was reasonable. How come??
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Meditation as in actual Zen meditation/Zazen or something similar? Meditating as thinking deeply about something?

Electra is one of the students?
Are the students members of a class? Class taught by a teacher? School class? Some sort of yoga class or whatever some people come up with?
Were they told to start meditating by the class leader (teacher) ?
All students are in the same age group?
Kids? Teens? Twens? Older?

I actually know a lady named Electra, I've just been to a concert of hers and her band a few hours ago!
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By meditating... did somebody instruct them to "Think" about something? But they used the phrase to meditate upon it? Was Electra testing a theory? One that was proposed in class? Was she testing to see if anybody jumped up to come to her aid? Was she testing to see if everybody would remain seated rather than act? Had they just been briefed on the concept of the Bystander effect (I think that's what it's called - where they've shown that the more people there are observing a person in need, the less likely somebody is to help them because they all assume somebody else will take care of it)?
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Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 12:42 am:
Meditation as in actual Zen meditation/Zazen or something similar? yes Meditating as thinking deeply about something? no

Electra is one of the students? yes
Are the students members of a class? yes Class taught by a teacher? yes School class? possibly Some sort of yoga class or whatever some people come up with? possibly
Were they told to start meditating by the class leader (teacher) ? yes
All students are in the same age group? irrel
Kids? Teens? Twens? Older?

I actually know a lady named Electra, I've just been to a concert of hers and her band a few hours ago!
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Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 2:13 am:
By meditating... did somebody instruct them to "Think" about something? no But they used the phrase to meditate upon it? no Was Electra testing a theory? no One that was proposed in class? no Was she testing to see if anybody jumped up to come to her aid? no Was she testing to see if everybody would remain seated rather than act? Had they just been briefed on the concept of the Bystander effect (I think that's what it's called - where they've shown that the more people there are observing a person in need, the less likely somebody is to help them because they all assume somebody else will take care of it)? no
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Did Electra try to meditate? When she yelled "Help", had the other students already started meditating? Did she understand what meditating was? Did she mishear the teacher? Misunderstand him/her? She was in no danger, but did she think she was in danger? Was she saying "help" to the students? the teacher? to all of them?
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Were they lying down, standing, sitting? Sitting in any yoga position?
Eyes open or close?
Was it silent? Someone saying something? Any new age music in the background?
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 2:12 am:
Did Electra try to meditate?yope When she yelled "Help", had the other students already started meditating? yes Did she understand what meditating was? yes Did she mishear the teacher? no Misunderstand him/her? no She was in no danger, but did she think she was in danger? no Was she saying "help" to the students? yes the teacher? yes to all of them? yes
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Posted on Saturday, January 13, 2007 - 9:31 am:
Were they lying down, standing, sitting? Sitting in any yoga position? could be any, but sitting is most likely
Eyes open or close?
Was it silent?possibly Someone saying something?no Any new age music in the background?possibly
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Was she actually asking for their help? Had she been instructed earlier to shout "help" under a certain circumstance? Were the students and teacher surprised? frightened? angry? amused? Did she do it as a joke?
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"Help" in this case does it mean:
- I need assistance
- I need instructions
- I have a problem
- I am in danger
- it is her mantra
Does it mean something totally different, and you are just misleading us?
Did anyone else say "Help, help"?
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Is "Help" the name of one of her friends? Her teacher? her pet?
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Were the students asked to meditate in the style of the Maharishi Yogi and shout out the title of their favourite Beatles song?
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Did she fall asleep while meditating?
Is she sane?
Does she have any phobia?
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Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 6:41 am:
Was she actually asking for their help? no Had she been instructed earlier to shout "help" under a certain circumstance? no Were the students and teacher surprised? yes frightened? possibly angry? ditto amused? ditto Did she do it as a joke? yesish
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Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 11:47 am:
"Help" in this case does it mean:
- I need assistanceyes
- I need instructions no
- I have a problem yes
- I am in danger yes--best construal
- it is her mantra no
Does it mean something totally different, and you are just misleading us? no
Did anyone else say "Help, help"? possibly
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Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 5:14 pm:
Were the students asked to meditate in the style of the Maharishi Yogi and shout out the title of their favourite Beatles song? No. I've never mediatated, but I doubt the instructions would include shouting
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Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 5:38 pm:
Did she fall asleep while meditating? no
Is she sane? yes
Does she have any phobia? no
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Just making sure: She was not in danger, but did she need help? For example one might need help finding her misplaced meditation cushion... she wouldn't be in danger.
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sorry, I was typing while you posted
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Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 7:39 pm:
Just making sure: She was not in danger, but did she need help? No, she didnn't REALLY need help!! But her exclamation was reasaonable? How Come??For example one might need help finding her misplaced meditation cushion... she wouldn't be in danger. That's not it
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Was their an instructor present? If so, was he/she also meditating? deeply? or was he/she easily available for any questions?
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does she have any sort of medical condition? did she think something was happening to her? did she manage to meditate at all?
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Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:47 pm:
Was their an instructor present? yes If so, was he/she also meditating? irrel deeply? probably not or was he/she easily available for any questions? yes
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Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 2:41 pm:
does she have any sort of medical condition? irrel did she think something was happening to her? nothing relevantdid she manage to meditate at all? irrel
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Is it her first time meditating?
Is she just being clever about something the instructor or anyone else said earlier? Such as "meditating is totally safe"?
Is she yelling because she wants to stop meditating? to do something else instead?
Does she continue meditating after yelling?
Is it obvious for everyone that it is Electra who is yelling?
Does any participant have a disability?
Is it happening outside or inside? relevant?
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Koans relevant?
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Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 6:33 pm:
Is it her first time meditating? irrel
Is she just being clever about something the instructor or anyone else said earlier? yes--the instructor Such as "meditating is totally safe"? Not. that. She's actually being much cleverer (I think)
Is she yelling because she wants to stop meditating? no to do something else instead? no
Does she continue meditating after yelling? irrel
Is it obvious for everyone that it is Electra who is yelling? irrel
Does any participant have a disability? irrel
Is it happening outside or inside? irrel relevant? no
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Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 12:30 am:
Koans relevant? no
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Is it a response to what the instructor is saying about:
- the technique used to get into a meditative state
- the sensation you would possibly feel (sinking, falling)
- contact with the spiritual world
- relaxing and concentrating on a single thing
- clearing your mind of all thoughts
- altered state of consciousness
- getting in touch with hidden memories
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- that it takes years to perfect the art of meditation
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Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 9:00 pm:
Is it a response to what the instructor is saying about:
- the technique used to get into a meditative state yes
- the sensation you would possibly feel (sinking, falling) no
- contact with the spiritual world no
- relaxing and concentrating on a single thing yes
- clearing your mind of all thoughts no
- altered state of consciousness noish
- getting in touch with hidden memories no
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Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 9:02 pm:
- that it takes years to perfect the art of meditation no
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Is the single thing something she finds scary? If so, is it a situation? an animal? an object? meditation? school? a person? the instructor? home work? her parents? how she looks while meditating?
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Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 11:11 pm:
Is the single thing something she finds scary? yes If so, is it a situation? yes an animal? no an object? no meditation? no school? no a person? no the instructor? no home work? no her parents? no how she looks while meditating? no
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Has the situation anything to do with meditation? Her personal life?
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Has the situation anything to do with meditation? yesish Her personal life? noish
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Is it about closing her eyes? Breathing? Slowing the heartbeat? Less adrenaline in the blood?
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Is it about closing her eyes? Breathing? Slowing the heartbeat? Less adrenaline in the blood? none of the above
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sitting cross-legged in that very uncomfortable way?
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Did the instructor tell when to concentrate on something specific, or was up to anyone to make it up?
Is it a "imagine yourself in this (relaxing) scenery" situation? Like in a forest, on a beach, next to a lake, on a hill?
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Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 6:12 pm:
Did the instructor tell when to concentrate on something specific yes, or was up to anyone to make it up? yes
Is it a "imagine yourself in this (relaxing) scenery" situation? Like in a forest, on a beach, next to a lake, on a hill? yes, but not any of those. Find out what the instructor said!!
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Did the instructor have them picture themselves...
Under water?
In a small enclosed space?
In a cave?
On top of a mountain?
Someplace high?
Someplace enclosed?
Someplace out in the open?

In picturing herself in that location, did it trigger an acute phobia that Electra had? Was the realism too much for her?
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Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 5:40 am:
Did the instructor have them picture themselves...
Under water? no
In a small enclosed space? no
In a cave? no
On top of a mountain? no
Someplace high? no
Someplace enclosed? no
Someplace out in the open? yes

In picturing herself in that location, did it trigger an acute phobia that Electra had? no Was the realism too much for her? no
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Is the situation that you are alone in the scenery? If so, is it a scenery where you actually don't want to be left alone? Like on a desert island? some place remote? where people would be hostile? because you have no money and no passport to go back home?
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Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 8:07 pm:
Is the situation that you are alone in the scenery? yes If so, is it a scenery where you actually don't want to be left alone? yes Like on a desert island? not that some place remote? where people would be hostile? no because you have no money and no passport to go back home? no
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Does it start as a simple situation, such as picture where you (Electra) are alone in this scenery where you can see, hear, feel or smell this and that? Is it enough for Electra to start yelling?
Or, is the scenery and the meditative (instruction or information?) something that together would be dangerous? For instance:
"You are alone in a field of flowers - Take a deep breath... (bad if you have allergies)"
"You are floating on clouds/water/etc - Your body feels heavier and heavier..."
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Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 11:11 am:
Does it start as a simple situation, such as picture where you (Electra) are alone in this scenery where you can see, hear, feel or smell this and that? yes Is it enough for Electra to start yelling? yes
Or, is the scenery and the meditative (instruction or information?) something that together would be dangerous? For instance:
"You are alone in a field of flowers - Take a deep breath... (bad if you have allergies)"
"You are floating on clouds/water/etc - Your body feels heavier and heavier..." no
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so does the teacher get them to imagine a scenario? and put themselves in it? and the scenario had some sort of element that electra would find frightening if it were real life? such as 'imagine yourself floating in a pool of water' and Electra cries 'help, help' because she can't swim?
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so does the teacher get them to imagine a scenario? yes and put themselves in it? yes and the scenario had some sort of element that electra would find frightening if it were real life? yes such as 'imagine yourself floating in a pool of water' and Electra cries 'help, help' because she can't swim? not that. Ins some ways, you're ORT (on the right track), but there's a crucial element you haven't gotten at yet
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Is Electra trying to demonstrate that nowhere is completely "safe" or "peaceful" or whatever the instructor has said by deliberately thinking of a possible threat or fear inducing happening? Is it to do with being alone? Would it work in any solitary situation? Is Elena's health relevant? Is she dependent on others in some way? Is she blind?
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The situation, is it one could happen anywhere? Or does the situation include/omit any of: a certain setting, location, gender specifik, altitude, speed, elements, culture, people, colors, animals, topology, sexual orientation, climate, objects, food/water/oxygen, vegetation, buildings, transportation, darkness, personality, money, freedom, hostility, confinement, shelter, weather, history, politics, health, clothing, social status, accessibility, reputation, home, family, friends, work/school?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 8:43 am:
Is Electra trying to demonstrate that nowhere is completely "safe" or "peaceful" or whatever the instructor has said by deliberately thinking of a possible threat or fear inducing happening? no Is it to do with being alone? yesish Would it work in any solitary situation? no Is Elena's health relevant? no Is she dependent on others in some way? no more than we all are Is she blind?irrel
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Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 1:19 pm:
The situation, is it one could happen anywhere? no Or does the situation include/omit any of: a certain setting, location, gender specifik, altitude, speed, elements {yes}, culture, people, colors, animals, topology yes, sexual orientation, climate, objects, food/water yes/oxygen, vegetation, buildings, transportation, darkness, personality, money, freedom, hostility, confinement, shelter, weather, history, politics, health, clothing, social status, accessibility, reputation, home, family, friends, work/school? I've written 'yes' where appropriate. For all the others, the answer is no
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Does she picture herself alone in the middle of a desert, and she realises that she did not bring any water?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 7:50 pm:
Does she picture herself alone in the middle of a desert, and she realises that she did not bring any water? no. HINT: What makes this funny is that the instructor gave a poorly worded instruction & Electra took it literally
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is it water that you drink? swim inside?
is the element fire, water, wind or soil?
Is the landscape flat, with hills, mountains?
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Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 9:04 pm:
is it water that you drink? no swim inside? yope
is the element fire no, water yes, wind mau also be involved or soil no?
Is the landscape flat yope, with hills no, mountains no?
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rain? waterfall? the sea? lake? snow? weather important?
Does the landscape have holes? canyons? craters? ravines? steep slopes?
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Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 9:59 pm:
rain? no waterfall? no the sea? yesish (ocean} lake? no snow? no weather important? noish
Does the landscape have holes? no--it's an ocean (see above) canyons? no craters? no ravines? no steep slopes?no
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is she in the middle of the ocean or standing next to it? Big waves?
Does she need to be rescued? Is she swimming? On a boat/raft?
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is she in the middle of the ocean yes or standing next to it no Big waves? not necessarily
Does she need to be rescued? yes Is she swimming? no On a boat yes/raft no?
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Are other boats passing by? A plane overhead? Anything or anyone else that may rescue her?
Sharks in the water? Or just her, the boat and the ocean?
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Are other boats passing by? no A plane overhead? no Anything or anyone else that may rescue her? no
Sharks in the water? no Or just her, the boat and the ocean? yes
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ok so he said something like imagine you're all alone on the ocean, meaning it to be soothing? but she was afraid of the ocean? and immediately starting thinking she was in danger there? did she imagine the ocean was rough? or calm?
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or is it about drifting away?
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ok so he said something like imagine you're all alone on the ocean, meaning it to be soothing? yes but she was afraid of the ocean? yes and immediately starting thinking she was in danger there? yes did she imagine the ocean was rough? irrel or calm? irrel
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Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 3:39 pm:
or is it about drifting away? yope
You'vre gotten very close, but HINT:Elerctra's reaction was very reasonab;le & indicated that the instructor hadn't thought carefully before giving the instruction
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Are the students supposed to respond to a question from the instructor? Such as the first thing that comes to mind in this scenery? or to express a feeling?
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Maybe he said something like, "Feel and behave as if you really are there.."?
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In the meditation is she supposed to be herself or someone/something else? Does she ever plunge into the water? Does time slow down or stop?
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Does the instructor say to change poses to a position that would make her drown were she in the water?
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Are the students supposed to respond to a question from the instructor? no Such as the first thing that comes to mind in this scenery? or to express a feeling? no
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Maybe he said something like, "Feel and behave as if you really are there.."? no
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In the meditation is she supposed to be herself or someone/something else? herself Does she ever plunge into the water? no Does time slow down or stop? no
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Does the instructor say to change poses to a position that would make her drown were she in the water? no
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just to clarify, does she scream only because she is scared of the ocean and drifting away? or does the instructor say something else that encourages her?
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When Electra asked for help - Is she just screaming? Or actually saying the word - Help?
Is she saying this in a language others can understand - I mean she is not saying in Sanskrit in a class full of Russians?
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just to clarify, does she scream only because she is scared of the ocean and drifting away? yes or does the instructor say something else that encourages her? no
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When Electra asked for help - Is she just screaming? possibly Or actually saying the word - Help? more likely
Is she saying this in a language others can understand - I mean she is not saying in Sanskrit in a class full of Russians? no
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Actually, I think this is ready for a
****SPOILER************
Electra's mediatation instructor was stupid enough to say, "Close your eyes & imagine you're in a canoe in the middle of the ocean," So Electra started screaming, "Help! Help!" "What's the mayter?" asked the instructor. "Don't you mean a lake?" Electra asked gently. (Adapted from a real incident.) A new puzzle awaits you--guess where.

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