| Author | Message | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1936 Registered: 6-2006 |
She searched for an hour, and found many promising possiblities. Upon closer inspection, almost all were perfectly clear to her, simple, and without embellishment. Frustrated, she gave up her search. What's going on? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1173 Registered: 6-2005 |
She = H? A? F? Searched = Physically hunted for? Scanned with her eyes? Browsed the internet? perfectly clear = easy comprehension? lack of ambiguity? Translucent? easy to use? easy to see? Frustrated = angry? annoyed? in need of sex? Is this puzzle rated PG? (Acceptable for children under 13 with little violence and no bad language or sexually explicit material) | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1938 Registered: 6-2006 |
She = H? A? F? yes, it's me, in fact Searched = Physically hunted for?yope Scanned with her eyes?yes Browsed the internet?precisely perfectly clear = easy comprehension?yesish lack of ambiguity?no Translucent?no easy to use?no easy to see?yope Frustrated = angry?no annoyed?yes in need of sex? well, I have been single for quite a while now... :-). But no. Is this puzzle rated PG?yes (Acceptable for children under 13 with little violence and no bad language or sexually explicit material) | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1168 Registered: 9-2003 |
did you want something complicated? with embellishments? is christmas involved? looking for a present for someone? some other type of shopping? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1941 Registered: 6-2006 |
did you want something complicated?yope with embellishments?yesish is christmas involved?no looking for a present for someone?no some other type of shopping?no | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1171 Registered: 9-2003 |
were you looking for a puzzle? a game? something to read? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1943 Registered: 6-2006 |
were you looking for a puzzle?no a game?no something to read?yes | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2384 Registered: 2-2001 |
Were you looking for a website to read? Or something more like Amazon? Thing you were looking at/for: Cartoons? Blogs? Fanfic? Reviews? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1954 Registered: 6-2006 |
Were you looking for a website to read?yope Or something more like Amazon?no Thing you were looking at/for: Cartoons? Blogs? Fanfic? Reviews? none of these | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2386 Registered: 2-2001 |
Something artistical? A how-to? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1179 Registered: 6-2005 |
That something to read... a book? An electronic book? An article? A card? A christmas card? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1957 Registered: 6-2006 |
Something artistical?no A how-to?very hard to answer. No, with a tiny yopish ish. :-) That something to read... a book?yope An electronic book?yope An article?no A card?no A christmas card?no | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2390 Registered: 2-2001 |
Not artistical, so not music, right? Words, like? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1963 Registered: 6-2006 |
Not artistical, so not music, right?right-ish Words, like?yes | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2394 Registered: 2-2001 |
Songs? Lyrics? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1965 Registered: 6-2006 |
Songs?yope Lyrics?yope | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2401 Registered: 2-2001 |
Verses? Poems? Carols? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2405 Registered: 2-2001 |
Mondegreens? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1968 Registered: 6-2006 |
Verses?yes Poems? Carols? Mondegreens? no to the rest | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2409 Registered: 2-2001 |
So verses to a particular song? Carol? Are these verses part of the original...er...implementation (crud, sometimes being a software guy is annoying) of the song? Or made up later? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 998 Registered: 6-2001 |
IS this one of those verses that works phonetically? so you have to "hear" it rather than "read" it? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1971 Registered: 6-2006 |
So verses to a particular song?yope Carol?no Are these verses part of the original...er...implementation (crud, sometimes being a software guy is annoying) of the song?I'm not sure I know what you mean. Do you mean, was the music originally intended to go with the words? if so, yesish. or the words originally intended to go with the music? if so, noish. Or made up later?no IS this one of those verses that works phonetically?no so you have to "hear" it rather than "read" it?no | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 1000 Registered: 6-2001 |
Were you looking for a specific verse? verses? or verses to convey a certain idea? set of ideas? Did you want a cryptic element to the verse? Christmas relevant? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 1001 Registered: 6-2001 |
is the title relevant? Noah as in the bible? Noah Webster? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1976 Registered: 6-2006 |
Were you looking for a specific verse?see next answer verses?yes or verses to convey a certain idea?noish set of ideas?yope Did you want a cryptic element to the verse?yope or noish Christmas relevant? decidedly no is the title relevant?yes Noah as in the bible?yes Noah Webster?no | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 1003 Registered: 6-2001 |
Unicorns relevant? the riddle about "Moses didn't lead any animals into the ark - it was Noah"? Two by two? bible verses? had someone taken a strange interpretation of the story of Noah, and you were trying to work out just what translation of the bible they had used to get that twist? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1977 Registered: 6-2006 |
Unicorns relevant? no the riddle about "Moses didn't lead any animals into the ark - it was Noah"?no Two by two? no bible verses? yes had someone taken a strange interpretation of the story of Noah, and you were trying to work out just what translation of the bible they had used to get that twist?no Don't specifically focus on Noah. Although the Bible verses in question deal with Noah, they could in theory have been any bible verses. | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 1005 Registered: 6-2001 |
To do with notation? eg Gen:4:10? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1981 Registered: 6-2006 |
To do with notation?not really eg Gen:4:10? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1024 Registered: 6-2007 |
so the "many promising possiblities." you found were verses from The Bible? were they all the same verse? all the same chapter? same book? were you looking for the purest translation? the least pure? English language? specific Bible translation relevant? King James Bible? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1983 Registered: 6-2006 |
so the "many promising possiblities." you found were verses from The Bible? yope were they all the same verse? yope all the same chapter?yope same book? yes were you looking for the purest translation?noish the least pure? no English language? NO. Good question. specific Bible translation relevant? no King James Bible? no | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2417 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hebrew? The Torah? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1804 Registered: 8-2006 |
You forgot Greek there Bodo. | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1986 Registered: 6-2006 |
Hebrew?yes The Torah?yope You forgot Greek there Bodo. no need for greek, I was looking for hebrew | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2418 Registered: 2-2001 |
Actually, I didn't forget - I decided to skip it because of the "yope" answer to The Bible. Were you looking for something showing patterns in Hebrew that could be interpreted in English (I once dated a woman who had a shirt with Hebrew characters on it that, when looked at upside-down, spelled "Go F*** Yourself" in English)? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1988 Registered: 6-2006 |
Actually, I didn't forget - I decided to skip it because of the "yope" answer to The Bible. Were you looking for something showing patterns in Hebrew that could be interpreted in English (I once dated a woman who had a shirt with Hebrew characters on it that, when looked at upside-down, spelled "Go F*** Yourself" in English)? nothing like this, no | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1807 Registered: 8-2006 |
It wasn't the yope to the bible: I think it was the possibilities being VERSES in the Bible. Would any Hebrew document work? Were you trying to translate it into English? Were you looking for the shortest, longest, fill-in-here- est verse or passage? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1991 Registered: 6-2006 |
It wasn't the yope to the bible: I think it was the possibilities being VERSES in the Bible. Would any Hebrew document work?no Were you trying to translate it into English?no Were you looking for the shortest, longest, fill-in-here- est verse or passage?I was looking for a specific passage that also had a specific quality to it. | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1655 Registered: 6-2001 |
Is this some sort of Bible code? You were looking for hidden messages? And you realised that you were looking for hidden messages which had been written in English, even though you were looking the Hebrew version of the Bible? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1993 Registered: 6-2006 |
Is this some sort of Bible code? no You were looking for hidden messages?no And you realised that you were looking for hidden messages which had been written in English, even though you were looking the Hebrew version of the Bible? no, FA | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1938 Registered: 1-2001 |
Were you hoping to cross-reference some verses? Locate multiple verses that helped explain one particular one? Locate several verses that help clarify a Hebrew word? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1998 Registered: 6-2006 |
Were you hoping to cross-reference some verses?no Locate multiple verses that helped explain one particular one?no Locate several verses that help clarify a Hebrew word?no | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 1951 Registered: 1-2001 |
Were you hoping to prove something? Disprove something? Find something to affirm a belief? Find something to disprove a belief? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1047 Registered: 6-2007 |
you were googling Hebrew text? do you read Hebrew text? is there a holiday theme here? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 1999 Registered: 6-2006 |
Were you hoping to prove something?noish Disprove something?no Find something to affirm a belief?no Find something to disprove a belief?no you were googling Hebrew text?yes do you read Hebrew text?yes is there a holiday theme here?no | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 681 Registered: 1-2001 |
Were you hoping to find something unclear to you? In meaning? In Hebrew lettering? Is your childhood relevant? Is another person involved? potentially? did you want to convey a message? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2005 Registered: 6-2006 |
Were you hoping to find something unclear to you?yesish In meaning?noish In Hebrew lettering?yope Is your childhood relevant?yes Is another person involved?no, except tangetically potentially?no did you want to convey a message?no | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 86 Registered: 7-2001 |
Was the desired lack of clarity to be yours personally (that is, were you looking for passages that you would have difficulty understanding or translating)? Or was it to be inherent in the passages (that is, were you looking for phrases that could have more than one meaning)? Or was it connected with your computer? Were you testing the search engine's ability to find Hebrew text? The monitor's ability to display Hebrew text? An online translation device? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2008 Registered: 6-2006 |
Was the desired lack of clarity to be yours personally (that is, were you looking for passages that you would have difficulty understanding or translating)? yes. I was looking for Hebrew, and while I read Hebrew, I'm not by any stretch fluent in the language. Or was it to be inherent in the passages (that is, were you looking for phrases that could have more than one meaning)? no Or was it connected with your computer? no Were you testing the search engine's ability to find Hebrew text? no The monitor's ability to display Hebrew text?no An online translation device?no | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 87 Registered: 7-2001 |
Were you trying to test yourself? planning to test someone else? Were you going to use the verses later for any purpose? Or was the aim simply to (try to) read them at the time you found them? Had you remembered something from your childhood? A specific incident? Something associated with learning Hebrew? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2009 Registered: 6-2006 |
Were you trying to test yourself?no planning to test someone else?no Were you going to use the verses later for any purpose? yope Or was the aim simply to (try to) read them at the time you found them? yesish Had you remembered something from your childhood? A specific incident? Something associated with learning Hebrew? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2010 Registered: 6-2006 |
Had you remembered something from your childhood?yope. explore A specific incident?yope Something associated with learning Hebrew?yesish | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 88 Registered: 7-2001 |
Were you hoping to form a collection of passages? Something associated with learning Hebrew: a word or words? particular Bible verses? the environment in which you studied? the people with whom you studied? the people who taught you? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2011 Registered: 6-2006 |
Were you hoping to form a collection of passages?no Something associated with learning Hebrew: a word or words? noish particular Bible verses? yesish or yope the environment in which you studied? yope the people with whom you studied? no the people who taught you? no | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 89 Registered: 7-2001 |
Where did you study: at home? at school? at a synagogue? As a child, were you required to read passages in public? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2012 Registered: 6-2006 |
Where did you study: at home? sometimes this at school? yesish at a synagogue? yes As a child, were you required to read passages in public? yesish...and this is a very important ish! | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 90 Registered: 7-2001 |
Are we trying to identify one specific occasion? Were you asked to read aloud? in a religious ceremony? just in class? Alternatively, were you asked to recite from memory? Did you make a mistake? Did you have stage fright? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2017 Registered: 6-2006 |
Are we trying to identify one specific occasion? yes Were you asked to read aloud?yes...ISH in a religious ceremony?yes just in class?no Alternatively, were you asked to recite from memory? no Did you make a mistake?no Did you have stage fright?no | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 91 Registered: 7-2001 |
Hmm...I'm struggling to come up with an explanation for the ish, so I'll try to picture the scene: Does it matter what the ceremony was? wedding? funeral? bar/bat mitzvah? Were you performing on your own? in a group? Were you rehearsing? Were you in front of a congregation? a few people? practising alone? Did your researches imply that your memory of the event was flawed? | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 712 Registered: 1-2001 |
Are you looking in the book of Psalms? Did you have to sing? recite (i.e. sing on one note)? chant? the passage? Did something you learnt as a child not make sense to you at the time? give you a false picture of what was intended? Can you now remember a few words and you want to identify the whole verse? longer section? Did you have to explain to others what you had read? hi Quintus! long time... (not that I've been around much over the years) | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2018 Registered: 6-2006 |
Hmm...I'm struggling to come up with an explanation for the ish, so I'll try to picture the scene: Does it matter what the ceremony was? yes wedding? funeral? bar/bat mitzvah? this. my bat mitzvah Were you performing on your own?yes in a group? Were you rehearsing? no Were you in front of a congregation?yes a few people? practising alone? Did your researches imply that your memory of the event was flawed? noish, but still on the right track, sort of Are you looking in the book of Psalms? no Did you have to sing?YES. This was the ish recite (i.e. sing on one note)? chant?it could be considered this the passage? Did something you learnt as a child not make sense to you at the time?no give you a false picture of what was intended? no Can you now remember a few words and you want to identify the whole verse?yesish longer section? yesish Did you have to explain to others what you had read? yes, but irrel hi Quintus! long time... (not that I've been around much over the years) | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 92 Registered: 7-2001 |
Ah. I lack bat mitzvah experience. This could be tricky. So you were trying to find the passage that you sang... to check your memory of it? because you remembered the content being interesting? because you remembered liking the rhythm? Hi, Sunshine. Good memory. Good questions, too. You shine light on the puzzle as usual. | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2019 Registered: 6-2006 |
Ah. I lack bat mitzvah experience. This could be tricky. So you were trying to find the passage that you sang... yes to check your memory of it? yope because you remembered the content being interesting? no because you remembered liking the rhythm? no Hi, Sunshine. Good memory. Good questions, too. You shine light on the puzzle as usual. | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 93 Registered: 7-2001 |
When you sang it, did you know the meaning of the Hebrew? Or had you learnt to sing it without understanding it? I'm wondering whether you had finally now decided to find out what it actually meant. | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2021 Registered: 6-2006 |
When you sang it, did you know the meaning of the Hebrew? somewhat Or had you learnt to sing it without understanding it? yes I'm wondering whether you had finally now decided to find out what it actually meant. no, the translation is irrelevant to the puzzle, except for my incomplete knowledge fulfilling the "unclear" part of the puzzle statement. | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 94 Registered: 7-2001 |
Should we be trying to find out about the "embellishment"? More about the circumstances of the bat mitzvah? Why the passage was chosen? Why you were looking for it now? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2022 Registered: 6-2006 |
Should we be trying to find out about the "embellishment"? yep. More about the circumstances of the bat mitzvah?no Why the passage was chosen?no Why you were looking for it now?yes | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1622 Registered: 2-2005 |
Anything to do with the fact that there are many different melodies that can be used with any given verse? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2032 Registered: 6-2006 |
Anything to do with the fact that there are many different melodies that can be used with any given verse?YOPE! Very much on the right track. | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1626 Registered: 2-2005 |
Were you looking specifically for the variation that you had used at your bat mitzvah? Is it an unusual one? Or is it that the melodies aren't often attached to the verses on webpages? | ||
| Beccaann (Beccaann)
New member Username: Beccaann Post Number: 2035 Registered: 6-2006 |
Were you looking specifically for the variation that you had used at your bat mitzvah?yesish Is it an unusual one?NO Or is it that the melodies aren't often attached to the verses on webpages?YES I'm going to say that that is enough for a SPOILER I was searching online for a particular passage that I recited for my Haftarah at my Bat Mitzvah. The first verse and it's meoldy are forever engrained in my brain, but I couldn't for the life of me remember what the next words were, or their tune. When comes to reciting Torah and Haftarah, there is a very specific melody to which they are to be sung. This melody is noted by marks called trope above and below the Hebrew letters. What I was trying to find was a Hebrew passage that included the trope. Alas, after an hour of searching I had found many websites that appeared promising, but upon closer inspection, almost all were perfectly clear to me (in English), or simple and without embellishment (in Hebrew, but without trope) Frustrated, I gave up my search. Thank you Rabrab for finishing this thing, finally. | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1629 Registered: 2-2005 |
Glad I could help out. I hate to see a puzzle languishing from inattention. You might want to drop a note to the woman who writes a blog called The Velveteen Rabbi--she had several posts some months ago about her efforts to learn to correctly interpret the tropes. If anyone knows where they might be on the web, I suspect that she would. |
