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| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2005 |
My first puzzle, so probably too easy for you clever lot.  He clenched his fist. He felt victorious, unaware that he would be dead within minutes. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 154 Registered: 1-2007 |
Welcome to the forum He- Human? Adult? Male? Character in a book? play? film? tv show? His death from natural causes? murder? accident? Is the second he the same as the first? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2005 |
Peter365 Welcome to the forum Why thank you! Have spent far too long merely lurking. He- Human? Yes Adult? Yes Male? Yes Character in a book? play? film? tv show? No to all His death from natural causes? No murder? this one accident? No Is the second he the same as the first? Yes | ||
| Zephyr14 (Zephyr14)
New member Username: Zephyr14 Post Number: 155 Registered: 1-2007 |
Did he feel victorious because of some sort of triumph over someone else? over more people? Did he feel victorious because he was about to accomplish something that he viewed as a goal? But in fact it lead the murderer to him? Is the clenching of the fist a gesture of victory? Or is there more to it? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 58 Registered: 10-2005 |
Zephyr14 Did he feel victorious because of some sort of triumph over someone else? Yes over more people? No Did he feel victorious because he was about to accomplish something that he viewed as a goal? Yes, a minor one But in fact it lead the murderer to him? Yesish Is the clenching of the fist a gesture of victory? No Or is there more to it? Yes | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 688 Registered: 8-2006 |
He FELT victorious... Was he actually victorious over anything? Was the clenching of the fist that killed him? Did he clench his fist over his NEXT goal? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 59 Registered: 10-2005 |
Crazypalpig He FELT victorious... Was he actually victorious over anything? Yes Was the clenching of the fist that killed him? Yes, indirectly Did he clench his fist over his NEXT goal? No | ||
| Zephyr14 (Zephyr14)
New member Username: Zephyr14 Post Number: 159 Registered: 1-2007 |
Did he clench something in his fist? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2005 |
Zephyr14 Did he clench something in his fist? No | ||
| Zephyr14 (Zephyr14)
New member Username: Zephyr14 Post Number: 160 Registered: 1-2007 |
Did the murderer see his clenched fist? And this triggered something? Was the clenched fist a sign for anyone? Was he in a crowd? Any other people than him and the murderer involved? Sports relevant? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2005 |
Zephyr14 Did the murderer see his clenched fist? No And this triggered something? So no Was the clenched fist a sign for anyone? Yes Was he in a crowd? No Any other people than him and the murderer involved? Yes Sports relevant? No | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 155 Registered: 1-2007 |
was he a politician who had just won an election and was then assassinated? Thinking Bobby Kennedy? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2003 |
I was thinking along the same lines. But thought of Marthin Luther King?? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 62 Registered: 10-2005 |
Peter365 was he a politician who had just won an election and was then assassinated? No, afraid not Thinking Bobby Kennedy? No Eli I was thinking along the same lines. But thought of Marthin Luther King?? No | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 157 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was he shot? poisoned? strangled? stabbed? beaten to death? Is this a true story? is the era relevant? Did he know his killer? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 67 Registered: 10-2005 |
Peter365 Was he shot? poisoned? strangled? stabbed? beaten to death? Irrel, but we'll say beaten Is this a true story? It happened to an old boyfriend of mine, though fortunately without the death part is the era relevant? Not really but it was a few years ago Did he know his killer? No | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 638 Registered: 9-2006 |
How many other people involved: one? two? three? more? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 158 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was his fist clenching misinterpreted? does clenching one's fist mean something else in a different culture? Did the killer feel insulted by the fist clenching? Relevant where this occurred? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2003 |
Is any type of sport relevant? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 68 Registered: 10-2005 |
Judgedeadd How many other people involved: one? two? three? more? One Peter365 Was his fist clenching misinterpreted? Nodoes clenching one's fist mean something else in a different culture? Not that I know of! To the best of my knowledge, his reason for clenching his fist is something recognised around the world Did the killer feel insulted by the fist clenching? No, FA Relevant where this occurred? Yes Eli Is any type of sport relevant? No Please tell me if I'm giving too much away in my responses and ruining the fun, as I said it's my first! | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 162 Registered: 1-2007 |
Please tell me if I'm giving too much away in my responses and ruining the fun, as I said it's my first! Not to me anyway i'm nowhere near a solution The FA ! Did the killer see him clenching his fist? I asked earlier if the 2nd he was the same as the first, just realised there's a third he, is the 3rd he the same person as 1st & 2nd? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 71 Registered: 10-2005 |
Peter365 The FA ! Did the killer see him clenching his fist? No I asked earlier if the 2nd he was the same as the first, just realised there's a third he, is the 3rd he the same person as 1st & 2nd? Yes | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 298 Registered: 9-2003 |
did he clench his fist in order to punch someone? or something? or just to punch it in the air in victory? did the third person see him clench his fist? did he tell the murderer about it? was he a friend of the victim? or the murderer? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 72 Registered: 10-2005 |
damia did he clench his fist in order to punch someone? No or something? No or just to punch it in the air in victory? No did the third person see him clench his fist? Yes did he tell the murderer about it? Do you mean did the 3rd person tell the murderer? If so then No, and FA was he a friend of the victim? Yes, but FA or the murderer? Yope | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 50 Registered: 11-2003 |
You said he didn't clench his fist to punch someone. But did he do it as a threat? Or did he clench his fist for other reasons? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2005 |
Eli You said he didn't clench his fist to punch someone. But did he do it as a threat? NoOr did he clench his fist for other reasons? Yes | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 78 Registered: 11-2003 |
Just to clarify this; he does not clench his fist in victory? neither to punch anyone? or as a threat? The only other things I can think of then is that he clenches his fist to hold something? or as an exercise? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 76 Registered: 10-2005 |
Eli Just to clarify this; he does not clench his fist in victory? neither to punch anyone? or as a threat? correct, it's none of these The only other things I can think of then is that he clenches his fist to hold something? no or as an exercise? No If 'clenched' is misleading, you could simply say he 'made a fist' | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 104 Registered: 11-2003 |
totally lost regarding the clenched fist now, so I better try from a different angle Was it the clenched fist that actually got him killed? Or some actions leading up to the clenched fist? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 304 Registered: 9-2003 |
does he clench his fist just to stretch his fingers or something? or crunch them or whatever the correct term is? were there 2 murderers? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 77 Registered: 10-2005 |
Eli Was it the clenched fist that actually got him killed? It started the chain of events that led to his death, so yes Or some actions leading up to the clenched fist? Noish damia does he clench his fist just to stretch his fingers or something? No or crunch them or whatever the correct term is? No - you could just say 'he made a fist' were there 2 murderers? No | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 117 Registered: 11-2003 |
So, he clenched his fist, then a, b, c,... happened and he was eventually killed? Is it relevant how long time it took from he clenched his fist until he was killed? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 318 Registered: 9-2003 |
did he make a fist for a reason? do we need to know what that reason is? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2005 |
Eli So, he clenched his fist, then a, b, c,... happened and he was eventually killed? Yes Is it relevant how long time it took from he clenched his fist until he was killed? It's given as 'he would be dead within minutes', there's nothing else about the timescale you need to know :-) damia did he make a fist for a reason? YES do we need to know what that reason is? yes it would help | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 323 Registered: 9-2003 |
did he make a fist because of an emotion? for a physical reason? did he look at his fist whilst doing it? had he hurt his hand in any way? was he checking if he could make a fist? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2005 |
damia did he make a fist because of an emotion? Nofor a physical reason? Not sure what you mean, could you rephrase? did he look at his fist whilst doing it? No had he hurt his hand in any way? No was he checking if he could make a fist? No I could HINT if there are no objections? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 279 Registered: 9-2006 |
Relevant to know where he was when he clenched his fist? Was he aware that the murderer and the 3rd person were "watching" him clench his fist? In fact, did he want the murderer / 3rd person to see him clenching his fist? Relevant to find out his job? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 82 Registered: 10-2005 |
Danielvs Relevant to know where he was when he clenched his fist? Yes Was he aware that the murderer and the 3rd person were "watching" him clench his fist? 3rd person: yes. The murderer didn't see it In fact, did he want the murderer / 3rd person to see him clenching his fist? Murderer: no. 3rd person: yes Relevant to find out his job? No | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 281 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was he outdoors? Indoors? Was the 3rd person outdoors? Indoors? Was the murderer outdoors? Indoors? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 84 Registered: 10-2005 |
Danielvs Was he outdoors? Indoors? When he made a fist? Indoors Was the 3rd person outdoors? Indoors? Indoors Was the murderer outdoors? Indoors? Outdoors | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 282 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was he in a room? In his house? At a hotel? In a public building? In a big indoor place (e.g. hangar, mall)? Was the murderer just outside the place where he and the 3rd person were? Is 3rd person related to him (friend, lover, spouse, relative?) Is the murderer related to him (friend, lover, spouse, relative?) | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 283 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was he physically impaired? In a hospital bed? In a wheelchair? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 85 Registered: 10-2005 |
Danielvs Was he in a room? YesIn his house? YesAt a hotel? In a public building? In a big indoor place (e.g. hangar, mall)? So no to rest Was the murderer just outside the place where he and the 3rd person were? well, he wasn't far away Is 3rd person related to him (friend,<This one lover, spouse, relative?) Is the murderer related to him (friend, lover, spouse, relative?) No | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 86 Registered: 10-2005 |
Danielvs Was he physically impaired? In a hospital bed? In a wheelchair? No to all | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 129 Registered: 11-2003 |
Do we need to find out exactly what room he was in? Was the murderer also in the house in a different room? Just outside the house? In the house next door? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 286 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was he lying on a bed? on the floor? Was he sitting? Was he standing? Had he ever seen the murderer? Was he and his friend (3rd person) arguing? Talking about business? Celebrating something? Did the 3rd person and the murderer know each other? If so, friends? relatives? spouse? lover? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 87 Registered: 10-2005 |
Eli Do we need to find out exactly what room he was in? Not really Was the murderer also in the house in a different room? Just outside the house? In the house next door? No to all I'm taking all these this to mean 'at the time he clenched his fist', please clarify if you meant otherwise :-) Danielvs Was he lying on a bed? on the floor? Was he sitting? all irrel Was he standing? but most likely this one Had he ever seen the murderer? No Was he and his friend (3rd person) arguing? Good Q, Noish but explore! Talking about business? No Celebrating something? No Did the 3rd person and the murderer know each other? YES! If so, friends? No relatives? No spouse? No lover? Noish, explore | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 142 Registered: 11-2003 |
Was he and his friend discussing something? Did the murderer and the 3rd person have a platonic relationship? Had they just started dating? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 88 Registered: 10-2005 |
Eli Was he and his friend discussing something? Yes Did the murderer and the 3rd person have a platonic relationship? No Had they just started dating? No | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 294 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was he telling his friend something that happened to him? That he had won something? So they were not discussing business. Were they discussing family issues? Talking about the murderer? Did the murderer know that he had clenched his fist because 3rd person signaled him? Told him? Murderer = adult? male? female? Friend = adult? male? female? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 89 Registered: 10-2005 |
Danielvs Was he telling his friend something that happened to him? No That he had won something? No So they were not discussing business. Were they discussing family issues? NoTalking about the murderer? No Did the murderer know that he had clenched his fist because 3rd person signaled him? No Told him? No, the murderer didn't know at all Murderer = adult? Yes male? Yes female? Friend = adult? Yes male? female? Yes | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 296 Registered: 9-2006 |
Relationship between murderer and 3rd person: business? enemies? Did they see each other often? Is any of the three people physically disabled? Mentally disabled? So... He clenched his fist -> friend did something -> murderer noticed it -> murderer decided to kill him? Was the murderer a complete stranger to him? Was he a complete stranger to the murderer? Relevant to find out 3rd person's and/or the murderer's job? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 90 Registered: 10-2005 |
Danielvs Relationship between murderer and 3rd person: business? No enemies? NoDid they see each other often? Not any more... Is any of the three people physically disabled? No Mentally disabled? Not disabled, though I guess you could call the murderer a little unbalanced! So... He clenched his fist -> Yes friend did something -> Yes murderer noticed it -> No murderer decided to kill him? Yes Was the murderer a complete stranger to him? Yes Was he a complete stranger to the murderer? Yes Relevant to find out 3rd person's and/or the murderer's job? No | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 301 Registered: 9-2006 |
Had the murderer and 3rd person been friends before? lovers? husband and wife? So the murderer never knew that he had clenched his fist, and killed him because of some action from 3rd person, right? Was the murderer's intention to kill him or he actually intended to kill 3rd person? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 91 Registered: 10-2005 |
Danielvs Had the murderer and 3rd person been friends before? lovers? Yes husband and wife? So the murderer never knew that he had clenched his fist, Yes and killed him because of some action from 3rd person, right? Yes Was the murderer's intention to kill him Yesor he actually intended to kill 3rd person? No | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 302 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did he expect 3rd person to react that way after seeing him clenching his fist? Is this story set nowadays? Some years ago? Last century? Long ago? Did the murderer decide to kill him only after seeing the action of 3rd person? Or he already wanted to kill him and this event was the "trigger" of the murder? Was the clenching of the fist a symbol of victory over the murderer? The reaction of 3rd person: shout? run away? cry? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 328 Registered: 9-2003 |
did the murderer think that the man and his woman friend were now lovers? did he murder him because of jealousy? did clenching his fist, make the woman hug him? touch his arm? did the murderer see what the woman did? was he watching the woman? stalking her? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 92 Registered: 10-2005 |
Danielvs Did he expect 3rd person to react that way after seeing him clenching his fist? Yes Is this story set nowadays? Yes Some years ago? Last century? Long ago? Did the murderer decide to kill him only after seeing the action of 3rd person? No Or he already wanted to kill him and this event was the "trigger" of the murder? No Was the clenching of the fist a symbol of victory over the murderer? No The reaction of 3rd person: shout? run away? <This is closest cry? damia did the murderer think that the man and his woman friend were now lovers? Yes did he murder him because of jealousy? Yes did clenching his fist, make the woman hug him? No touch his arm? No did the murderer see what the woman did? NO! was he watching the woman? sort of stalking her? sort of | ||
| Snoozer (Snoozer)
New member Username: Snoozer Post Number: 549 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is this happening in real life or in a computer game? Is he holding on to something when he is clenching his fist? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 93 Registered: 10-2005 |
Snoozer Is this happening in real life or in a computer game? RL Is he holding on to something when he is clenching his fist? No | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 306 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did the murderer think the guy had done something to her because of her reaction? Did she run searching for help? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 339 Registered: 9-2003 |
did the murderer think the man and woman were lovers because of the amount of time they spent together? did she stay with him overnight? did the victim threaten the girl in any way? force her to stay with him for a length of time? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 340 Registered: 9-2003 |
is the game rock paper scissors relevant? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2005 |
Danielvs Did the murderer think the guy had done something to her because of her reaction? No Did she run searching for help? No damia did the murderer think the man and woman were lovers because of the amount of time they spent together? Yesish did she stay with him overnight? Yesish, explore did the victim threaten the girl in any way? No force her to stay with him for a length of time? No is the game rock paper scissors relevant? YES! | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 313 Registered: 9-2006 |
The purpose of the game was to determine who would do something none of them wanted to do? If so, is this "something" related to the killer? Did he win the game? Did she win the game? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 347 Registered: 9-2003 |
did she stay with him until late in the night? does it matter what time she left? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 95 Registered: 10-2005 |
Danielvs The purpose of the game was to determine who would do something none of them wanted to do? Yes If so, is this "something" related to the killer? No Did he win the game? Yes Did she win the game? damia did she stay with him until late in the night? Yesish, FA might be creeping in does it matter what time she left? Yes, on this occasion | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 354 Registered: 9-2003 |
do they live together anyway? as he won I guess she had to do the thing? did it take her a long time? was the thing neither of them wanted to do a house chore? did it involve cleaning? did she leave/finish before midnight? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2007 |
If he had lost the game and therefore done the thing neither of them wanted to do, would he still have been killed? Or would his woman friend (who won the game) have been killed instead? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2005 |
damia do they live together anyway? Yes as he won I guess she had to do the thing? Yes did it take her a long time? less than an hour was the thing neither of them wanted to do a house chore? No did it involve cleaning? No did she leave/finish before midnight? irrel Enjay If he had lost the game and therefore done the thing neither of them wanted to do, would he still have been killed? No Or would his woman friend (who won the game) have been killed instead? No | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2007 |
If he had done the thing with the woman would he have been killed? Was he killed because he wasn't doing it? Or because the murderer saw the woman doing it? Did whatever the woman was doing make it look like she and the man were lovers? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 98 Registered: 10-2005 |
Enjay If he had done the thing with the woman would he have been killed? No Was he killed because he wasn't doing it? Yes Or because the murderer saw the woman doing it? No Did whatever the woman was doing make it look like she and the man were lovers? No | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2007 |
Hmmm... running out of ideas here somewhat... So did the fact that he wasn't doing the thing somehow convince the murderer that they were lovers? Was the murderer angry because he should have been doing the thing? Or because he made the woman do it? Is the thing a common thing to do? is it dangerous? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 99 Registered: 10-2005 |
Enjay Hmmm... running out of ideas here somewhat... I'll recap in a minute, but we're getting near :-) So did the fact that he wasn't doing the thing somehow convince the murderer that they were lovers? Noish Was the murderer angry because he should have been doing the thing? No Or because he made the woman do it? No Is the thing a common thing to do? Yes is it dangerous? No | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 100 Registered: 10-2005 |
*RECAP* The victim lives with a female friend. By winning a game of rock paper scissors, at home, he gets out of doing something – something common and not dangerous - that she then has to do. Shortly afterwards he is killed out of jealousy by his friend’s ex who believes she and the victim are lovers. This would not have happened had the victim ‘lost’ and had to do it himself, or done it with his friend. However this would not have caused his friend to be killed instead. The murderer does not see her doing ‘it’. The murderer and the victim have never met. All that’s left is, what the consequence was to her from losing the game, and another detail that made the murderer so angry and jealous. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2007 |
Would it help to find the reason why neither of them wanted to do it? I s the task: Boring? Time-consuming? Messy? Difficult? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2007 |
woops ignore "time-consuming"- i just saw a previous post that says it took less than an hour | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 101 Registered: 10-2005 |
Enjay Would it help to find the reason why neither of them wanted to do it? Not really, more likely that they're both just lazy I s the task: Boring? Not really Time-consuming? Ignored! :-) Messy? No Difficult? No | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 316 Registered: 9-2006 |
The 'thing' is done everyday? by most people in the world? Is it usually done by men? by women? Does she leave the house in order to do it? If so, does she leave driving a car? on foot? Does she go far away? You said it takes less than an hour to do it, but does it take more than 30 min? 15-30 min? less than 15 min? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 102 Registered: 10-2005 |
Danielvs The 'thing' is done everyday? It could be by most people in the world? could be Is it usually done by men? by women? either Does she leave the house in order to do it? Yes! If so, does she leave driving a car? No! on foot? Yes!Does she go far away? Not what I'd call far. You've actually got the relevant info you need now about this part, but there is a clue somewhere if you want to get all the specifics You said it takes less than an hour to do it, but does it take more than 30 min? Likely this 15-30 min? Unlikely less than 15 min? No | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 30 Registered: 4-2007 |
So if he had gone outside with his friend to do the "thing", he wouldn't have been killed. Is that just because the murderer came to the house, and if he had gone he wouldn't have been there to kill? Or is there more? Did the killer know that the woman had left the house? Or did he find out some other way? Did he ever know she had left the house? Could he see that the man was still in the house? Did the woman have anything with her when she went out to do the "thing"? Is this relevant? | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did she go out to walk HIS dog? | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did she go out to walk HIS dog? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 103 Registered: 10-2005 |
Enjay So if he had gone outside with his friend to do the "thing", he wouldn't have been killed. Correct Is that just because the murderer came to the house, and if he had gone he wouldn't have been there to kill? Yes Or is there more? No, though there's more to why the murderer jumped to the conclusion that he did Did the killer know that the woman had left the house? NO Or did he find out some other way? Did he ever know she had left the house? Eventually Could he see that the man was still in the house? No Did the woman have anything with her when she went out to do the "thing"? Is this relevant? No Emeraldink Did she go out to walk HIS dog? No | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 41 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did the murderer only find out that the woman had left the house after he killed the man? If he had seen her leave the house would he still have killed the man? Did the murderer know that the man and woman lived together? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 104 Registered: 10-2005 |
Enjay Did the murderer only find out that the woman had left the house after he killed the man? Yes If he had seen her leave the house would he still have killed the man? No Did the murderer know that the man and woman lived together? NO! but almost a Noish, explore! | ||
| Thestreetdetective (Thestreetdetective)
New member Username: Thestreetdetective Post Number: 46 Registered: 3-2007 |
did he know that a man and woman lived there? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 42 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the man alone when he was killed Did the murderer think that he and the woman were alone in the house together, and jump to the conclusion that they were now lovers? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 360 Registered: 9-2003 |
did the man do something when he was alone in the house? did she go out to get food for them? go shopping? get drinks? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2005 |
Thestreetdetective did he know that a man and woman lived there? NO! keep exploring... Enjay Was the man alone when he was killed Yes - apart from the murderer being there :-) Did the murderer think that he and the woman were alone in the house together, and jump to the conclusion that they were now lovers? Yes, but also... damia did the man do something when he was alone in the house? Nothing relevant did she go out to get food for them? No go shopping? Yope get drinks? No | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 47 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did the murderer know that the man lived there, but didn't know the woman lived there too? Or did he know she lived there but didn't realise the man lived there? Not sure if this has been answered, but if the woman had stayed in with the man, would he still have been killed? When the murderer came to the house, was he expecting his victim to be there? Because you said he couldn't see whether the man was still in the house. Was he expecting his ex-girlfriend to be there? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 107 Registered: 10-2005 |
Enjay Did the murderer know that the man lived there, but didn't know the woman lived there too? NoOr did he know she lived there but didn't realise the man lived there? Correct... though again with a tiny 'ish' Not sure if this has been answered, but if the woman had stayed in with the man, would he still have been killed? Tricky one. I'll have to say 'it depends' When the murderer came to the house, was he expecting his victim to be there? No Because you said he couldn't see whether the man was still in the house. Was he expecting his ex-girlfriend to be there? Yes | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 49 Registered: 4-2007 |
Do we actually need to know what she went out to do? Or is it enough that she went out? Did the murderer come to the house to see the woman? Did he think that his ex-girlfriend lived there, but with somebody else? Another woman? Or a different man? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2005 |
Enjay Do we actually need to know what she went out to do? Or is it enough that she went out? Yep its enough Did the murderer come to the house to see the woman? Yes Did he think that his ex-girlfriend lived there, but with somebody else? Yope to yesish Another woman? Yes! but why? Or a different man? No | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 50 Registered: 4-2007 |
Had she told him that she never wanted to see another man again or something? Did he think she lived with a female friend? Ummm...she had become a lesbian? You said it depended whether he would have been killed if the woman had stayed home. Does that depend on who answered the door to the murderer? If the killer had come to the house and seen them both there, would he have killed the man? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 109 Registered: 10-2005 |
Enjay Had she told him that she never wanted to see another man again or something? No Did he think she lived with a female friend? YesUmmm...she had become a lesbian? No You said it depended whether he would have been killed if the woman had stayed home. Does that depend on who answered the door to the murderer? Yes If the killer had come to the house and seen them both there, would he have killed the man? Possibly, depending on what the woman did | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 30 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is man's name such that it can be given to either male or female? ( may be spelled differently, but sounds the same ) | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 111 Registered: 10-2005 |
Emeraldink Is man's name such that it can be given to either male or female? ( may be spelled differently, but sounds the same )YES!!!! You can explore this a little further otherwise I'm happy to post a $poiler | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 84 Registered: 4-2007 |
So the woman had said something like "I'm living with Charlie now" and the murderer assumed she was living with Charlotte but she was actually living with Charles? And the murderer came to visit her but she was out doing the task, so Charles answered the door, and the murderer jumped to the conclusion that they were now lovers so killed Charles out of jealousy? Since the woman wasn't there, she couldn't set him straight. Right? | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 112 Registered: 10-2005 |
Enjay So the woman had said something like "I'm living with Charlie now" and the murderer assumed she was living with Charlotte but she was actually living with Charles? And the murderer came to visit her but she was out doing the task, so Charles answered the door, and the murderer jumped to the conclusion that they were now lovers so killed Charles out of jealousy? Since the woman wasn't there, she couldn't set him straight. Right? Yep more or less! That's pretty much a bullseye so...... *********************SPOILER********************** Alex (male!) and Bonnie are old friends - platonic - who share a flat. Colin is a chap Bonnie dated briefly. While dating she had occasionally mentioned that she lived with her friend Alex. On realising Colin had taken this to be a female friend, she had chosen not to correct him. After a few weeks she split up with him due to his rather obsessive nature and jealous temper. The following Sunday evening, there is nothing on the telly so she and Alex decide to rent a movie and play rock-paper-scissors to see who has to go and get it. Alex's rock (fist!) beats Bonnie's scissors so off she goes. It's a nice evening so she decides to walk it. A few minutes later Colin is passing and seeing her car outside, assumes Bonnie must be home. He decides to attempt to rekindle things and knocks on the door. Imagine his surprise when Alex appears, looking very much at home and very much male. Realising Bonnie had lied to him, he assumes it was to cover up the fact she had been cheating on him with Alex, cue a murder of the most angry and jealous kind. This happened to my old boyfriend Alex (who fortunately didn't get deaded, just a black eye) and I understand the conversation went along the lines of: "Who are you then, Alex's boyfriend or something" "Er, what? No I'm Alex" Well done and thanks everyone for playing, epecially Enjay, Danielvs, Emeraldink for getting the name thing (which I thought would go FIRST, given everyone's love of naming people on here!!) and kudos to damia for getting what the fist was all about!! Time for me to stop waffling and think up another puzzle | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 85 Registered: 4-2007 |
Great puzzle, it didn't give too much away and was really fun to solve! Thanks especially to Emeraldink for getting the name thing-I would never have got that! | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 86 Registered: 4-2007 |
And hey...I just got how the title is relevant! Good one! | ||
| Strongplacebo (Strongplacebo)
New member Username: Strongplacebo Post Number: 113 Registered: 10-2005 |
Yeah see, if only 24 or something had been on, he'd have lived to tell the tale:-) | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 381 Registered: 9-2003 |
lol great puzzle |
