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They steal our idea, and don't even pay us!
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Are they? and us? human adults? If so, relevant what gender?

They=us; different nationalities? companies? religions?
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Are they? and us? human adults? yes to both If so, relevant what gender? no

They=us; different nationalities? this one companies? religions? not these
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Is location relevant? or could this happen anywhere?

Era relevant? Is it a historic event?
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Is location relevant? yes or could this happen anywhere? not anywhere, no

Era relevant? yes Is it a historic event? not in the usual sense
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Is it a true story? FYOI?

Location;
Europe?
America?
Africa?
Asia?
Australia?

Era;
21st century?
20th?
19th?
Middle ages - 18th?
0 - middle ages?
BC?
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Is it a true story? this FYOI?

Location;
Europe? yes
America? yes
Africa? no
Asia? no
Australia? no

Era;
21st century? this
20th?
19th?
Middle ages - 18th?
0 - middle ages?
BC? no to rest
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Europe = they?
Europe = us?

America (North or South?) = they?
America (North or South?) = us?
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Europe = they?
Europe = us? this

America (North this or South? not this) = they? this
America (North or South?) = us?
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they:
USA?
Canada?
Mexico?

us:
France?
Part of the UK?
Germany?
Spain?
Italy?
Poland?
Belgium?
Russia?
Sweden?
Norway?
Finland?
Portugal?
Austria?
Czech. Republic?
Slovakia?
Greece?
Denmark?
Latvia?
Lithuania?
Bosnia and Herzegovina?
Belarus?
Other?
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they:
USA? this one


us:
Part of the UK? this one
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us:
Scotland?
Northern Ireland?
Wales?
England?
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us:
Scotland?
Northern Ireland?
Wales?
England? this one
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was the idea that of an invention?
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Sports releavant? music?
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was the idea that of an invention? yes, I suppose you could call it an invention of sorts, though hardly of the Leonardo/Edison type

Sports releavant? music? neither of these
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Is it a certain method of doing something? i.e. a better alternative than the existing method?
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Is it a certain method of doing something? i.e. a better alternative than the existing method? It's certainly a way of doing things, but whether it's better or worse will depend on your point of view
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Is it destructive?
Harmful to anyone/anything?
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Is it destructive? Let's say no, though some may disagree
Harmful to anyone/anything? Likewise: let's say no, though not everyone will agree
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Let me rephrase:
Harmful to humans?
Harmful to any insects, non-human animals or plants?
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Let me rephrase:
Harmful to humans? not physically harmful to anyone, no

Harmful to any insects, non-human animals or plants? not at all
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Did USA claim to have discovered/invented something that England had done so originally?

(This has happened with rice. America claimed to have discovered it but India proved that they had been growing it for a long time.)
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Did USA claim to have discovered/invented something that England had done so originally? no: the Americans concerned have acknowledged their debt to the relevant English people for the idea

(This has happened with rice. America claimed to have discovered it but India proved that they had been growing it for a long time.)
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World Wide Web? Invented by Tim Berners-Lee.
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World Wide Web? Invented by Tim Berners-Lee. Nothing to do with this, I'm afraid
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Is it used commonly everyday by many people?
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Is it used commonly everyday by many people? It's an idea, rather than an object, so it isn't really "used". Let's say that it is something that applies to many people.
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methods of government relevant?
economic systems relevant?
or is it smaller scale than this?
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methods of government relevant? yes, vaguely
economic systems relevant? yes, I suppose you could say so
or is it smaller scale than this? Hmmm ... it depends what governmental/economic systems you have in mind
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anything to do with taxes?
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anything to do with taxes? yes, for some vv of "taxes"
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It's always the questions that seem straightforward that get the most confusing answers...

So, economic systems and taxes both are at least vaguely connected...would I be right to say that money is relevant?

Is this some sort of public policy? law? political initiative? anything along these lines?

Would this affect the average person on a daily basis? Every once in a while? Rarely? Never?
Are some people more affected by this than others? If so, people in certain professions? certain income levels? age? gender? marital status?
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It's always the questions that seem straightforward that get the most confusing answers... Yes, it often seems that way

So, economic systems and taxes both are at least vaguely connected absolutely...would I be right to say that money is relevant? indeed

Is this some sort of public policy? yes law? yes political initiative? yes anything along these lines? yes!

Would this affect the average person on a daily basis? some may be affected frequently, if not every single day Every once in a while? some this Rarely? some this Never? and some this ... it all depends on people's circumstances

Are some people more affected by this than others? yes! If so, people in certain professions? possibly, but this is not the defining reason for their being more or less affected by this law/initiative/policy certain income levels? likewise age? likewise gender? this is less likely to make a difference marital status? and this is almost entirely irrelevant
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Is it related to:

Internet sales tax?
Tariffs?
Import / export tax?
Highway tolls?

What is "svv" and "vv" ?
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Highway tolls? yes

What is "svv" and "vv" ? some values [of] ... I think
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I believe svv means "sufficiently vague values," and vv just "vague values."
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So is "highway tolls" the answer, or are we still looking for something else, like a surcharge for driving into a large city?
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I believe svv means "sufficiently vague values," and vv just "vague values." Ah yes, this rings a bell.

So is "highway tolls" the answer, or are we still looking for something else, like a surcharge for driving into a large city? yes! this is certainly involved: to solve the puzzle, you'd need to know who is doing the stealing, and who isn't doing the paying
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London's congestion charge relevant?
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London's congestion charge relevant? absolutely
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Has a congestion charge been implemented in an American city? New York? Erm....maybe someone who knows a few more American cities than I do would like to step in now?
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Has a congestion charge been implemented in an American city? New York? Erm....maybe someone who knows a few more American cities than I do would like to step in now? No need: you have a hole-in-one! According to a news report this week, the Mayor of New York, Mr Bloomberg, is looking into the possibility of copying London's 'success' by introducing a congestion charge in Manhattan, from 86th St right down to the Staten Island Ferry. New Yorkers are not too happy.

That's the first half of the puzzle done. As you're on a roll ... one more detail to go, to explain the statement/title.
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Is there a reason why they should pay us? Just because we gave them the good idea? Or did England once take an idea from some other country and had to pay for it?
Or do you mean that when the New Yorkers pay their congestion charges, the money will go to America rather than England?
To be honest I was just asking the obvious next question after BeccaAnn's question...if this involves any actual knowledge about the congestion charge then I'm afraid I'm out, not living in London!
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Is there a reason why they should pay us? yes Just because we gave them the good idea? no Or did England once take an idea from some other country and had to pay for it? No, not this: we Brits have a long tradition of stealing things. Take the Elgin Marbles, for instance =)

Or do you mean that when the New Yorkers pay their congestion charges, the money will go to America rather than England? no, I don't mean this

To be honest I was just asking the obvious next question after BeccaAnn's question...if this involves any actual knowledge about the congestion charge then I'm afraid I'm out, not living in London! Nothing specific about the charge, no: it's something anyone could guess. I don't live in London any more, either: the Congestion Charge being one good reason.
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So the idea that England expects the payment for is not the Congestion Charge itself, but something related to it, right? A way surcharge is collected? Patent for the equipment used?
Is acknowledged debt a literal one and can be paid in dollars or is it a figure of speech, a tribute to the inventors?
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Who should receive the payment, the English people? The English government? The political leaders of London? The "inventors" of the Congestion Charge (which I have no idea what it means!)? Woodworm? =)
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So the idea that England expects the payment for is not the Congestion Charge itself actually this, but something related to it, right? A way surcharge is collected? Patent for the equipment used? none of these
Is acknowledged debt a literal one and can be paid in dollars this or is it a figure of speech, a tribute to the inventors?

Who should receive the payment, the English people? The English government? The political leaders of London? this

The "inventors" of the Congestion Charge (which I have no idea what it means!)? It's just an annoying tax you have to pay if you drive into Central London Woodworm? =) not me, I'm afraid

Almost there with this: just missing one faintly comical detail that explains the title & statement
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Congestion Charge
The US embassy currently (14 May 2006) owes 270,000 (approximately $500,000) in fines for non-payment. - wikipedia
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**** SPOILER ****

Well done. One of the week's sillier stories: on the day that Mayor Bloomberg announces that New York will adopt a congestion charge for driving into the city (having got the idea from London's Ken Livingstone) it emerges that the naughty American diplomats in London have been driving their gas-guzzlers in and out of London without paying their charges, claiming diplomatic immunity. Smack, smack.

Incidentally, the source article claims "over a million pounds" in unpaid fines. Hey: what's 730,000 between friends? After all, everybody knows that Ken makes those charges up as he goes along.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1685451.ece
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Nice puzzle. The statement effectively confuses us into believing that it is the idea that should be paid for. :-)

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