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It seems that a Jewish seaman has been trading in a particular substance.
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Is there a pun involved here? Based on a popular Jewish name for instance like Rothstein or Goldberg? Is there a name of a sailor also in the pun? Popeye? Sinbad?
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Any crimes involved?
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Is there a pun involved here? not quite a pun, but very warm! Based on a popular Jewish name for instance like Rothstein or Goldberg? no Is there a name of a sailor also in the pun? no Popeye? Sinbad? no

Any crimes involved? in a vague way, yes
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Dead Sea water?
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SHould we find out more about the Jewish seaman?
About the particular substance?
About the trading?
About the people he did the trading with? Always assuming that the Jewish seaman was (or is?) in fact a he?
Era relevant?
Country?
Religion?
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Dead Sea water? no

SHould we find out more about the Jewish seaman? yes
About the particular substance? yes
About the trading? yes
About the people he did the trading with? yes Always assuming that the Jewish seaman was (or is?) in fact a he? irrelevant: it would work for a she
Era relevant? yes
Country? not really
Religion? yes
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more of a crossword clue than a pun, yes?
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more of a crossword clue than a pun, yes? No,
but again, in the right neck of the woods.
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Any other word for jewish relevant? semite?
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ksc?
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Any other word for jewish relevant? semite? not as such, no

ksc? Sorry, don't understand
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Is the Jewish seaman mentioned in the Bible?
Was he alive during old testament times? new testament times? this century? today?

Is the relevant 'substance' a food? drink? liquid? solid? fuel? powder?
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Is the Jewish seaman mentioned in the Bible? no
Was he alive during old testament times? no new testament times? no this century? no today? no

Is the relevant 'substance' a food? no drink? no liquid? most likely this solid? though this is possible fuel? no powder? and this is also possible
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This looks like fun
Relevant that he is Jewish? Would it work if he was in Europe, but not Jewish? Was he sailing like for a tour? fishing?
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This looks like fun Thanks! But I should warn you that this puzzle is slightly silly.

Relevant that he is Jewish? absolutely Would it work if he was in Europe, but not Jewish? no Was he sailing like for a tour? not really fishing? not this
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Any other word for Sailor in the answer such as Tar? Seaman? Mariner?
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Is baptizing relevant?
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I can't resist this guess so apologies in advance but this is how my mind works on a sunny friday afternoon

Anything to do with Circumcision v Circumnavigation?
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Any other word for Sailor in the answer such as Tar? Seaman? Mariner? yopish

Is baptizing relevant? nope

I can't resist this guess so apologies in advance but this is how my mind works on a sunny friday afternoon

Anything to do with Circumcision v Circumnavigation? Hahahah! Sadly not
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Jewish customs relevant?

Sabbath things? Unleavened bread?
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Jewish customs relevant? no

Sabbath things? no Unleavened bread? no
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Title relevant in anyway? Did people ask him to get the items?
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Title relevant in anyway? Yes Did people ask him to get the items? You mean the substance? No.
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OK, relevant that he's a seaman? Would this work if he were just, say, a regular guest on a ship bound for the place where he wants to go?Sorry if this doesn't make senes
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OK, relevant that he's a seaman? yes Would this work if he were just, say, a regular guest on a ship bound for the place where he wants to go? no

No problem: your questions made perfect sense.
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So any Jewish/Hebrew words relevant? If so, I am out of this one!

Anyways, time period...[Insert all centuries 2-21...]
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So any Jewish/Hebrew words relevant? One very common relevant (English) word pertains to Jewishness and is derived from the Hebrew If so, I am out of this one! It's nothing obscure: I don't know a word of Hebrew!

Anyways, time period...[Insert all centuries 2-21...] The relevant time period I had in mind is the twentieth century, though earlier periods are also relevant to the story. Beware a possible fa, though.
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Sabbath? Hanukkah? Oh darn, I have one idea in mind, but... I have to dig that up
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Sabbath? Hanukkah? not these Oh darn, I have one idea in mind, but... I have to dig that up
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Synagogue? Kosher?
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Synagogue? Kosher? Sorry ... no to both. (This has got me wondering whether albatrosses are kosher.)
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Ok, trying just to think of English words derived from Hebrew, much less common ones... I'm a Jew, so this is really bugging me!

Amen? Hallelujah? Israel? Messiah? Rabbi? Torah?
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Ok, trying just to think of English words derived from Hebrew, much less common ones... I'm a Jew, so this is really bugging me! And I'm a music lecturer, so you can imagine what the Kreisler puzzle is doing to me!!

Amen? Hallelujah? Israel? Messiah? Rabbi? <-- this one will do nicely Torah?
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Oh, by the way, albatross is not kosher!
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Was the seaman also a rabbi?
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Was the seaman also a rabbi? yes
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So, a seaman/rabbi is trading in a liquid or a powder. Location relevant? If so,[Insert LTPF list of all countries}
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So, a seaman/rabbi is trading in a liquid or a powder. yes Location relevant? not really If so,[Insert LTPF list of all countries}
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Pronounciation of the words seaman and rabbi relevant? Any jewish customs in this puzzle?
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Pronounciation of the words seaman no and rabbi yes relevant? Any jewish customs in this puzzle? no
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Rah-Bye?
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Rah-Bye? that doesn't appear in the solution, no
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So...a rabbi who is also a sailor has been trading in something - right?
Is he selling the "something"? buying it? doing both? acting as a broker? doing something illegal? using a boat? using a ship? is a boat relevant to the solution? if so, is it a specific type?
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So...a rabbi who is also a sailor has been trading in something - right? right
Is he selling the "something"? yes buying it? no doing both? no acting as a broker? no doing something illegal? no using a boat? see next using a ship? probably this one is a boat relevant to the solution? if so, is it a specific type? types of ships are relevant, yes
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Ok...here's a list of types of ships. I sure hope one or more of these is relevant, or I just wasted a lot of time...

Barge
Battleship
Blockship
Brig
Brigantine
Cargo ship
Carrier
Catamaran
Clipper
Container ship
Cruise ship
Cutter
Destroyer
Dredging
Drekkar
Drifter
Ferry
Flagship
Freight liner
Frigate
Galleon
Ghost ship
Icebreaker
Longship
Minesweeper
Ocean liner
Passenger ship
Schooner
Steamboat
Tanker
Trawler
Tugboat
Warship
Whaler
Windjammer
Yawl
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Chinese Junk?

Um.... what is a yawl?
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Crazypalpig:

I hate to say it, but it is none of the above.
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Beccaann:

Sorry, but it is not on the list.
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yacht?
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yacht? a yacht it is not
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Hard to believe that the type of ship wasn't mentioned in that list - is it by chance a junk?
Or is it a specific ship (Titanic, Argo,etc)?
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Hard to believe that the type of ship wasn't mentioned in that list - is it by chance a junk? no

Or is it a specific ship (Titanic, Argo,etc)? no, not this
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Ships:
maybe pirate ship?
Barq?
Barkentine?
Sloop?

Could it be a submarine by any chance?

Was he transporting something alcoholic? Rum, maybe?
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Fishing trawl?
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Ships:
maybe pirate ship? Ahar! Me hearties! This is not actually the ship mentioned in the solution, but ... explore
Barq?
Barkentine?
Sloop? nothing so obscure or specific

Could it be a submarine by any chance? most unlikely

Was he transporting something alcoholic? Rum, maybe? no: not a food or drink

Fishing trawl? not this
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Great... Pirates of the carribian relevant?
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Great... Pirates of the carribian relevant? In a general sense, yes; in the sense of the film, book and series of that name: not at all
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Privateer? Pirates with a letteror marque?
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Privateer? Pirates with a letter or marque? No to both: nothing as specific as this.
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Was the Jewish person the captain of the ship?
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Was the Jewish person the captain of the ship? no
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Any of the following words relevant -
sea? ocean? ship? boat? vessel? trade? buy? sell? sale? sail?
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Any of the following words relevant -
sea? no ocean? no ship? yes-ish boat? no vessel? no trade? no buy? no sell? yes-ish sale? sail? nifty thinking, but not sail/sale
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Relevant that it is a pirate ship? Any piraty words involved?(Swab the deck, skull and crossbones?}
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Relevant that it is a pirate ship? a pirate ship is not explicitly mentioned in the solution: though a pirate is, and so are (other) types of ships

Any piraty words involved?(Swab the deck, skull and crossbones?} Shiver me timbers! No, me hearties. Just a pirate.
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So, words so far... Rabbi, pirate. Does that take care of the "Jewish seaman"?
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So, words so far... Rabbi, pirate. Does that take care of the "Jewish seaman"? Good question: yes. The Rabbi IS the pirate. Unusual combination of jobs, but hey.

Perhaps time for a

*** RECAP ***

A rabbi, who also happens to be a pirate, apparently sold a substance (probably a liquid but not a drink) to someone. Certain types of ships are also involved.

The title is relevant, and this might be worth exploring a little more.

Pronunication of words is also relevant. Try not to google from here on in.
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I have no clue of any other types of pirate ships are but I think someone missed man-of-war. Canoe?(Can you?) Kayak?

The relevant substance: Used for cooking? Used for greasing? cleansing?
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I have no clue of any other types of pirate ships are but I think someone missed man-of-war. Canoe?(Can you?) Kayak? Not these, and not pirate ships. Remember that trading is involved.

The relevant substance: Used for cooking? rarely Used for greasing? cleansing? no to rest
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is the word "skullcap" relevant? (I'm thinking of its relationship to the term, skull and crossbones) As a pirate rabbi, he could wear his skullcap!
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is the word "skullcap" relevant? (I'm thinking of its relationship to the term, skull and crossbones) As a pirate rabbi, he could wear his skullcap! Aaaah that's brilliant: I am sure our piratical rabbi would wear one of those. That's better than the real solution, but unfortunately you're in the wrong stretch of ocean altogether :-(
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Trading ships. Freighter?
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Trading ships. Yes: this sort of thing Freighter? rather than this
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Is the rabbi's name relevant? If so, his actual name? Or like a pirate's name (e.g. Redbeard)?
Do any Yiddish words or phrases play a part?
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Is the rabbi's name relevant? no: all that matters is that he is a rabbi If so, his actual name? no Or like a pirate's name (e.g. Redbeard)? no Do any Yiddish words or phrases play a part? no
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Allright - is the substance used for fuel? is it partially made up of water? entirely water? no water?
Is the substance's use important, or more the name of it?
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Allright - is the substance used for fuel? no is it partially made up of water? it might be entirely water? no no water? again, it might be this
Is the substance's use important, or more the name of it? the puzzle hinges on the name of it rather than the use of it ... this being more of a verbal than a situational puzzle
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is the substance used as ammunition?

it was stated that the substance was most likely a liquid, but it could possibly be a solid or a powder...does it come in various forms? is it usually a liquid but also can come in those other forms? or can the substance change into different forms through heat/chemicals/other?

total guess--could it possibly be molten steel (a liquid) but when it is turned into a blade, it is a solid?
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So this particular substance is water soluble and can be transported as liquid ( or rather water-based solution ), a solid ( when all water is evaporated ), or as a powder? Rubber?

By ship type do you mean type of construction or the current use of the vessel? Merchantman?
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is the substance used as ammunition? no

it was stated that the substance was most likely a liquid, but it could possibly be a solid or a powder...does it come in various forms? yes: there are various sorts of it is it usually a liquid but also can come in those other forms? or can the substance change into different forms through heat/chemicals/other? either of those, as it's quite a general class of substances

total guess--could it possibly be molten steel (a liquid) but when it is turned into a blade, it is a solid? nice thinking, but no

So this particular substance is water soluble and can be transported as liquid ( or rather water-based solution ), a solid ( when all water is evaporated ), or as a powder? again, any of those Rubber? no

By ship type do you mean type of construction or the current use of the vessel? this Merchantman? Yes: they are merchant vessels
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Hmm...things that can be solid, liquid or powder....

drugs? soap/detergent?
heh heh...detergent...does he want to deter or detour gentiles?
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is the ship a coaster?
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Is the substance paint? glue?

I have a feeling that the solution is going to be some kind of silly sentence, like "The pirate rabbi sells a subtance to people who use it", only it will be worded in a humorous way - is this the idea?
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Is the substance identified by a brand name, like Clorox? Or by category, like bleach?
Is it used by everyone? By humans? By people of certain ethnicity? People in certain geographical areas? Children? Adults? Babies?
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Hmm...things that can be solid, liquid or powder....

drugs? no soap/detergent? no
heh heh...detergent...does he want to deter or detour gentiles? Heheh ... no, but that sort of punny thinking is the right way to go

is the ship a coaster? no. You don't need any more information about the ships

Is the substance paint? no, but ... glue? no

I have a feeling that the solution is going to be some kind of silly sentence, like "The pirate rabbi sells a subtance to people who use it", only it will be worded in a humorous way - is this the idea? Yes! Exactly this. And you have nearly all the important words of the puzzle. But nobody has come close to the overall idea, which would explain the title.

Is the substance identified by a brand name, like Clorox? Or by category, like bleach? \b(this)
Is it used by everyone? it is a component of many, many things By humans? yes By people of certain ethnicity? People in certain geographical areas? Children? Adults? Babies? none of these, though the idea of people of a certain ethnicity and in a certain area is not entirely irrelevant, in an entirely different way.
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Dye? Tint? Something that adds color to something else?
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Ink?
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And as far as the title goes, the word "buy" could be related (someone would 'request' to buy something, and/or "buy" rhymes with "by")...is this part of the statement?
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Dye? Yes Tint? Something that adds color to something else? Ink? which would include all these, but the substance is specifically dye

And as far as the title goes, the word "buy" could be related (someone would 'request' to buy something, and/or "buy" rhymes with "by")...is this part of the statement? nothing like this: the title is not cryptic in any way
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Allright, then. I believe there was mention earlier of the relevance of those to whom this rabbi is selling the substance that we have identified - are they residents of a certain country? Fellow seamen? Pirates? Merchants? Other rabbis? Other jewish people?
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Allright, then. I believe there was mention earlier of the relevance of those to whom this rabbi is selling the substance that we have identified - are they residents of a certain country? Fellow seamen? this Pirates? Merchants? and this Other rabbis? Other jewish people? the rest are irrelevant
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Is it relevant to know where he's trading - Atlantic Ocean, Sea of Galilee, Red Sea, Lake Genesarret, etc?
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Is it relevant to know where he's trading - Atlantic Ocean, Sea of Galilee, Red Sea, Lake Genesarret, etc? no
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Any puns on the wod "dye" involved? Perhaps dye/die? Any puns on words connected to dye?
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Any puns on the wod "dye" involved? Not quite a pun as such, but something very similar, based on pronunciation of words.

Perhaps dye/die? not this. Any puns on words connected to dye? no: the word 'dye' is what matters
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Are we thinking about different ways to pronounce "dye"? Maybe pronounced "day"? (Did the rabbi pirate say to the merchants, "have a good dye," and it came out, "have a good day?" To which the merchants responded, "thanks, we will." And they were forced to buy the dye?)

So, we are definitely focusing on the word "dye," right--no trying to figure out different types of dye (tie die, henna, varnish, etc), correct?

And, the merchants did not ask the rabbi pirate to get the items, correct? Did he request that the merchants buy the substance? force them to buy the substance? was the rabbi pirate trying to get rid of the substance so he would not be caught with it?
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If the dye was traded "by request", was it "ordered"?
Is it relevant that "dye" and "rabbi" rhyme?
Are mnemonics involved?
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Is the word Pyrite relevant? as in Iron Pyrite or Fool's gold.
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Are we thinking about different ways to pronounce "dye"? among other words, yes Maybe pronounced "day"? no (Did the rabbi pirate say to the merchants, "have a good dye," and it came out, "have a good day?" To which the merchants responded, "thanks, we will." And they were forced to buy the dye?) Hehe ... that would work for Australian sailors I suppose. It's completely wrong but the type of thinking is quite right

So, we are definitely focusing on the word "dye," right--no trying to figure out different types of dye (tie die, henna, varnish, etc), correct? that's right, among other words

And, the merchants did not ask the rabbi pirate to get the items, correct? they may well have done, but this is irrelevant I'm afraid Did he request that the merchants buy the substance? again irrel force them to buy the substance? again, irrel was the rabbi pirate trying to get rid of the substance so he would not be caught with it? no, nothing like this

If the dye was traded "by request", was it "ordered"? it wasn't traded by request
Is it relevant that "dye" and "rabbi" rhyme? hmmm .... VERY vaguely, I suppose
Are mnemonics involved? no, but excellent thinking

Is the word Pyrite relevant? as in Iron Pyrite or Fool's gold. all that glisters ... nope
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In the statement we're all trying desperately to decipher, is "dye" pronounced like "die"? Or some other way?
Does the pronunciation or sound of any other word matter? If so...pirate? rabbi? trade? buy?
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In the statement we're all trying desperately to decipher, is "dye" pronounced like "die"? Or some other way? it is pronounced like "die"

Does the pronunciation or sound of any other word matter? yes If so...pirate? the word pirate features in the solution, but ... rabbi? ... this one is more central to the theme of the puzzle trade? buy? not these at all
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Did the merchants know he was a pirate?

Did he say, "would you like dye" and they thought he said, "would you like to die?"

Does the other word/pronunciation have anything to do with another type of dye or something related?
if so:
henna?
varnish?
rosin?
enamel?
paint?
turpentine?
mineral spirits?
brush?
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Did the merchants know he was a pirate? irrel

Did he say, "would you like dye" and they thought he said, "would you like to die?" No: the word "die" is not relevant at all.

Does the other word/pronunciation have anything to do with another type of dye or something related?
if so:
henna?
varnish?
rosin?
enamel?
paint?
turpentine?
mineral spirits?
brush? Nothing like this.
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So, as a recap, a pirate/Rabbi was selling Dye. And, the pronounciation of these capalized words are all relevant? Rabbidie. Nothing there...
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Is it relevant or helpful to know what the buyers want to do with the dye?

As far as the pronunciation of "rabbi", would it most likely be pronounced (for the purposes of the target statement):

rob-bye
rab-bye
robby
rabby
rib-eye
some other way?
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So, as a recap, a pirate/Rabbi was selling Dye. And, the pronounciation of these capalized words are all relevant? Indeedy-doody Rabbidie. Nothing there...

Is it relevant or helpful to know what the buyers want to do with the dye? not at all

As far as the pronunciation of "rabbi", would it most likely be pronounced (for the purposes of the target statement):

it depends on one's accent, but ...

rob-bye this is closest and the most useful: you're closing in!
rab-bye
robby
rabby
rib-eye yum! but no
some other way?
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Oh, so Pirate is relevant because he robbed someone then went bye-bye? ;-)
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Oh, so Pirate is relevant because he robbed someone it's relevant that pirates rob people, certainly then went bye-bye? ;-) but not this
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Aha! I'm closing in now...much like a person closes in on the corner of a piece of furniture in a dark room, only to smash their littlest toe!

"A rabbi (does something) with dye..."
hmmm...would we get the impression from the statement that he's a pirate? or that people think/thought that he is/was?
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Aha! I'm closing in now...much like a person closes in on the corner of a piece of furniture in a dark room, only to smash their littlest toe! This sums up beautifully how I feel on the LTPF, most of the time

"A rabbi (does something) with dye..."
hmmm...would we get the impression from the statement that he's a pirate? sure or that people think/thought that he is/was? This too. Certainly the puzzle has a lot to do with what people think. The first three words of the puzzle statement might help.
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So would someone read the statement and falsely assume that he's a pirate (even though it's probably meant to be silly anyway)?
Anything else about pirates relevant? like eye patches? beards? peg legs? parrots? hooks?
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So would someone read the statement and falsely assume that he's a pirate (even though it's probably meant to be silly anyway)? No-ish, but this is very hard to answer. This is really about pronunciation rather than reading.

Anything else about pirates relevant? like eye patches? beards? peg legs? parrots? hooks? nothing whatsoever
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I'm stumped! But I'll try again... did the pirate rabbi (rob-eye) rob dye? Any rhymes like this?
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I'm stumped! But I'll try again... did the pirate rabbi (rob-eye) rob dye? he didn't, but ... Any rhymes like this? ... this sort of phonetic approximation is exactly what's going on here. You need to discover the context within which this makes sense. If you're really stuck, the title should help.
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This has to be the most infutiating but fun puzzle we've seen in ages :o) . To get away from Ayes, Pyes and Dyes for a second is the sentence that provides the solution well known? e.g. is it the name of or a line from a film? song? book? play? poem?. Is it an advertising slogan? or is it a random sentence that you have made up which can convey the jewish pirate scenario if pronounced differently?
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This has to be the most infutiating but fun puzzle we've seen in ages :o) I thought you had it on your very first question, but it seems I created a monster. To get away from Ayes, Pyes and Dyes for a second is the sentence that provides the solution well known? yes-ish: see below e.g. is it the name of or a line from a film? not this but ... song? this! nicely done book? play? poem? no to these. Is it an advertising slogan? or is it a random sentence that you have made up which can convey the jewish pirate scenario if pronounced differently? it's a veritable toe-curler, and if I'd made it up I would be ashamed: I certainly wouldn't share it with the world
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ok...I'm trying to go a different route, so hopefully I am not way off base...I am thinking that "the request" was for a song to be played? request on the radio? for someone? request to get music illegally?

I know we have been talking about ships, pirates, etc...are we dealing with a real pirate here, or could we possibly be dealing with the pirating of music?
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Is it a pop/rock , Country & Western? Jazz? Classical? Opera?

When was the song released 50s? 60s? 70s? 80s? 90s? later? earlier?

Was it by a band/group? solo?
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ok...I'm trying to go a different route, so hopefully I am not way off base...I am thinking that "the request" was for a song to be played? no request on the radio? no, but nice thinking for someone? request to get music illegally? not this ... see below

I know we have been talking about ships, pirates, etc...are we dealing with a real pirate here, or could we possibly be dealing with the pirating of music? another excellent thought, but no

Is it a pop/rock , Country & Western? Jazz? Classical? Opera? I think it would be filed under pop/rock, though it certainly isn't what you'd call a pop song

When was the song released 50s? 60s? 70s? 80s? This! I can now reveal that the title refers to your request a few hours before I posted the puzzle ... 'more 80s music puzzles, please'. ;-)

90s? later? earlier?

Was it by a band/group? solo? this
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Is this to do with the lyrics in a song?
and if so, is it a confusion of the actual lyrics?
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singer--m?f? always solo or had this person ever been with a group/band?

singer only in 80s? were they singing before this? in 90s? still singing today?
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Anywho, to continue with the ryhming attack... bye? buy? sigh? fie? guy? hi? i? lie? my? pi?

I just had a complete guess that I just got from my list...

Pirates rob the ship but don't buy?
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Please forgive my total and utter ignorance of 80s music...I don't even know when this was written, but I remember that song with the guy singing "My israelites" and it sounds like "My ears are alight" (I think someone wrote a funny version of it with all the words changed) is this relevnt? (Just thinking Jews...Israelites...)
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Is this to do with the lyrics in a song? yes
and if so, is it a confusion of the actual lyrics? precisely so

singer--m?f? male always solo or had this person ever been with a group/band? he had a band

singer only in 80s? no were they singing before this?yes in 90s? no still singing today? no
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I don't want to google, so this is all guess (I love the 80s, but I'm terrible with names and remembering songs).
OK--just a few...
Was there a Rob from Thompson twins--is this the guy?
Matthew Wilder--I remember he had a song about a boat to China, I believe.
Thomas Dolby?
Howard Jones?
So, we should think of mistaken lyrics...that remind us of a jewish rabbi pirate? have the word/sound dye in it? does it have the phrase "rob, I die" in it? just trying to get all my ducks in a row!
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Anywho, to continue with the ryhming attack... bye? buy? sigh? fie? guy? hi? i? <- this word is relevant lie? my? pi?
not 100% sure what you're asking: there are two relevant lines from a song but they don't actually rhyme

I just had a complete guess that I just got from my list...

Pirates rob the ship but don't buy? not this

Please forgive my total and utter ignorance of 80s music... LOL you are forgiven. It's not really my favourite era either

I don't even know when this was written, but I remember that song with the guy singing "My israelites" and it sounds like "My ears are alight" (I think someone wrote a funny version of it with all the words changed) is this relevnt? very right thinking: this is not a deliberate parody of the song but ... (Just thinking Jews...Israelites...) VERY close, but wrong song. I think that one was in the late 60s. This one is early 80s, and equally famous. If you don't know it, you could probably work it out from here. The slight trick is that the original song doesn't use regular English syntax, hence the confusion ...
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I don't want to google, so this is all guess (I love the 80s, but I'm terrible with names and remembering songs).
OK--just a few...
Was there a Rob from Thompson twins--is this the guy?
Matthew Wilder--I remember he had a song about a boat to China, I believe.
Thomas Dolby?
Howard Jones? No: a rather more serious and spiritual songwriter than any of those: think of a distinctive accent and non-standard English grammar

So, we should think of mistaken lyrics Yes! Popularly misheard lyrics. I believe that the term for this is a "mondegreen", after someone mistook "And laid him on the green" for "And Lady Mondegreen". A true mondegreen should be a genuine mishearing rather than a contrived pun.

...that remind us of a jewish rabbi pirate? exactly! have the word/sound dye in it? yes-ish does it have the phrase "rob, I die" in it? just trying to get all my ducks in a row! so close! not "die"
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Darn I knew this was going to end up an 80's music puzzle.

Is the singer actually english or is he not a native english speaker therefore his words are open to misinterpretation.
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Is this a song by a reggae singer?
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Sorry just a thought . Is the singer no longer singing because he's dead.

John Lennon, Marvin Gaye, Bob Marley,
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is part of the misheard lyric possibly "rob, I buy?" (since we are talking about selling/trading).
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Darn I knew this was going to end up an 80's music puzzle.

Is the singer actually english no or is he not a native english speaker therefore his words are open to misinterpretation. but he was a native English speaker

Is this a song by a reggae singer? Yes

Sorry just a thought . Is the singer no longer singing because he's dead. Indeed

John Lennon, Marvin Gaye, Bob Marley, YES

is part of the misheard lyric possibly "rob, I buy?" (since we are talking about selling/trading). no, not "buy"
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rob, i dye...?
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rob, i dye...? not quite
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Is the rabbi pirate doing the selling?
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Is the rabbi pirate doing the selling? yes
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so, does the real lyric involve the words "rob, I"?
does the real lyric involve the word "rabbi"?
does the misheard lyric involve the words "rob, I"
does the misheard lyric involve the word "rabbi"?
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so, does the real lyric involve the words "rob, I"? yes but without the comma
does the real lyric involve the word "rabbi"? no

does the misheard lyric involve the words "rob, I" no
does the misheard lyric involve the word "rabbi"? yes
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I may have to watch from the sidelines from now on, as I know absolutely NO lyrics by Bob Marley. I'm sure that once they are revealed I'll recognize it, but nothing rings a bell at this point.

Is the word "die" being misunderstood as "dye"? Or another word that sounds like "dye", especially with regards to trading?
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is the phrase "Rob I" in the middle, beginning, end of song lyric we are trying to figure out?
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I may have to watch from the sidelines from now on, as I know absolutely NO lyrics by Bob Marley. I'm sure that once they are revealed I'll recognize it, but nothing rings a bell at this point.

Is the word "die" being misunderstood as "dye"? Or another word that sounds like "dye", especially with regards to trading? the end of one word and the whole of another, taken together, sound like "dye"

is the phrase "Rob I" in the middle, beginning, end of song lyric we are trying to figure out? "rob I" are the last two words of the first line: in Standard English this would be "rob me".

You may just want to guess where the dye fits in, and then I'll spoyl. The pirate(s) and merchant ships are common to both the real and the misheard version.
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Fortunately I love Bob Marley.

The song is Redemption Song and the relevant lines are :

Old Pirates yes they Rob I
Sold I to the Merchant Ships.

Should have gotten that much quicker.

Great puzzle Woodworm

I guess my next puzzle will be have to be an 80's one.
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*** SPOILER ***

See Peter's perfect answer above.

The popular mishearing is:

Well, the pirate's just a rabbi
Sold dye to the merchant ships.


It sounds very similar, especially in Bob Marley's Jamaican creole. In fact, mishearing it as "rabbi" is so common that there is apparently even a Jewish club somewhere in the US where everyone sings the rabbi version. I don't think I'll be able to hear the song again without thinking of rabbis.

Congrats Peter for getting the song, and congrats to everyone who made huge progress in the puzzle without even knowing the song.

For more mondegreens, there is a site dedicated to them, called www.kissthisguy.com
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Very good puzzle. When you said it was close to a pun I thought it would be a "groaner," but this was rather clever.

I actually do have a copy of Bob Marley and the Wailers Greatest Hits that I bought for my husband last year. I looked, and Redemption is on it. I'll have to listen to it!
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Well we owe it to Peter for bailing us out! This one had me chuckling, and inspired me for an upcoming puzzle (but I'll wait until Peter puts his 80's music puzzle up first).

I'm on the lookout for pirates who don't trim their hair or beards!
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Don't wait for me . I have two on the go at the moment and will wait till they're solved before starting a new one.

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