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If they had just let him get hurt, he wouldn't be in the hospital right now
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him=he? male human? adult?
hurt= physically injured? or emotionally hurt?

Relevant who 'they' are? crimes involved?

Is he in hospital because he's injured? because someone else is?
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him=he? male human? adult? yes to all
hurt= physically injured?this one or emotionally hurt?

Relevant who 'they' are?noish crimes involved? no

Is he in hospital because he's injured? because someone else is? he is injured
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Accident involved? practical joke?

Is it relevant what his injury is?
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Accident involved? yes practical joke? no

Is it relevant what his injury is? his exact injury is not relevant, no
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Did something happen, they saved him, then something else happened and he was injured?
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Did something happen, they saved him, then something else happened and he was injured? they didn't save him exactly...could you rephrase?
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is his profession important?
stuntsperson?

so, did they try to prevent him from getting hurt? and if they had just left well enough alone, his injuries would have been less than what he received, thus keeping him out of the hospital?
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were they in a circus perhaps?
was he a circus performer?
were "they" the ones maybe holding a net under him? trying to catch him another way?

was he driving a car?
was he an athlete?

were "they" referees, umpires?
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Was thinking saving as in saving from getting injured, not saving from death. Is this correct?
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is his profession important? no
stuntsperson? no

so, did they try to prevent him from getting hurt? and if they had just left well enough alone, his injuries would have been less than what he received, thus keeping him out of the hospital? yes, exactly
were they in a circus perhaps? no
was he a circus performer? no
were "they" the ones maybe holding a net under him? trying to catch him another way? good thought but no

was he driving a car? no
was he an athlete? no

were "they" referees, umpires? no

Eli
Was thinking saving as in saving from getting injured, not saving from death. Is this correct? pretty much, but as Booklover said they tried to prevent him from getting hurt rather than actually saving him
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Is the injury directly connected to them preventing him from being hurt? or is it a series of events starting with the "hurt-prevention" action and ending with his injury?
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By stopping him getting hurt, did they: keep him away from somewhere? out of the way of something/someone specific? make him wear something? administer some medical procedure? medication?

was it just him they were trying to keep safe? is it relevant who he is, ie is he in a position where he gets special treatment in terms of health and safety? royalty perhaps?

was he at home? at work? indoors? outdoors? in a public place?
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Is the injury directly connected to them preventing him from being hurt? or is it a series of events starting with the "hurt-prevention" action and ending with his injury? it was pretty much direct
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I guess we better try to find out the setting then. Is it relevant what time of day it is? morning? daytime? night? sports involved? hobbies? any relevant objects?

Are they all part of group? or are 'they' bystanders that jumped in to prevent him from getting hurt?

Relevant what kind of injury they prevented?
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Sorry Strongplacebo...missed your post...
By stopping him getting hurt, did they: keep him away from somewhere? out of the way of something/someone specific? make him wear something? administer some medical procedure? medication? none of these

was it just him they were trying to keep safe? yes
is it relevant who he is no, ie is he in a position where he gets special treatment in terms of health and safety? royalty perhaps? none of these

was he at home? this at work? indoors? outdoors? actually he could be indoors or outdoors in a public place? no

Eli
I guess we better try to find out the setting then. Is it relevant what time of day it is? nomorning? daytime? night?
sports involved? no hobbies?no any relevant objects? yes

Are they all part of group? sorry I'm not sure what you mean? or are 'they' bystanders that jumped in to prevent him from getting hurt? no

Relevant what kind of injury they prevented? yesish
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What I meant was if he and 'they' are together? or are 'they' total strangers that happened to be at the scene and they just helped a man in need?

The original injury would it have been some cut? a broken limb? a small burn? would he have been hit by someone? something? fallen?

Did he end up getting badly injured, as in life threathening?
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What I meant was if he and 'they' are together? or are 'they' total strangers that happened to be at the scene and they just helped a man in need? He and They are together

The original injury would it have been some cut? almost certainly this a broken limb? and maybe this a small burn? no would he have been hit by someone? something? this-ish fallen?

Did he end up getting badly injured, as in life threathening? not really relevant, but probably not life threatening, just enough to merit a trip to hospital
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Is it relevant who "they" are? Their relationship to him? To each other? How many their are?

Did "they" know that in trying to prevent his injuries, they might actually worsen them? Relevant?

Relevant object /objects
Larger than a car
Smaller than a chair
Somewhere inbetween
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Did an object fall down towards him? And 'they' prevented it from hitting him, maybe by pushing him aside? But by doing so they created a bigger accident?
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Is it relevant who "they" are? Their relationship to him? To each other? How many their are? Not really, just that they didn't want anything to happen to him (in actual fact they were his family, but they could just have easily been a group of friends)

Did "they" know that in trying to prevent his injuries, they might actually worsen them? no
Relevant? well they wouldn't have done it if they knew, but other than that, irrel

Relevant object /objects
Larger than a car
Smaller than a chair
Somewhere inbetween this

Eli
Did an object fall down towards him? No
And 'they' prevented it from hitting him, maybe by pushing him aside? But by doing so they created a bigger accident? No
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So they weren't trying to protect themselves from whatever it was, just him? Is there something specific we need to know about him as to why this was? Or is it simply that he was the only one in possible danger from it?
Was the object an animal? An appliance? Was he told not to use something? Is this object something with obvious potential dangers?
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So they weren't trying to protect themselves from whatever it was, just him? correct
Is there something specific we need to know about him as to why this was? Or is it simply that he was the only one in possible danger from it? Nothing specific about him you need to know, but they had a reason to believe that he was more likely to get hurt in this way than someone else. He wasn't the only person who could possibly have been hurt though
Was the object an animal? no An appliance? no Was he told not to use something? no Is this object something with obvious potential dangers? not really
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So was the potential danger something that arose suddenly? Was he in danger because of where he was standing/sitting? Do we need to know what they were doing at the time?
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So was the potential danger something that arose suddenly? no Was he in danger because of where he was standing/sitting? no Do we need to know what they were doing at the time? you need to find out what they did to try and stop him getting hurt, but other than that no
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guess: was the object a window? trying to open a window and it started down on him--in the family's protection, he fell out?
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did they try to move him physically out of the way? or was it a long term kind of thing? ie did they give him advice? on how to handle something if it arose? and when it did he followed the advice and ended up even more injured?
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guess: was the object a window? yope trying to open a window and it started down on him--in the family's protection, he fell out? no

Damia
did they try to move him physically out of the way? or was it a long term kind of thing? long term
ie did they give him advice? no on how to handle something if it arose? and when it did he followed the advice and ended up even more injured? no
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Was it a glass door? Something to do with sticking things on the glass so that people can easily see when it's closed?
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Was it a glass door? YES!
Something to do with sticking things on the glass so that people can easily see when it's closed? not this but you are on the right track
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did someone else close the door? and he walked through it thinking it was open?
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did someone else close the door? and he walked through it thinking it was open? no but so close!
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was the door open when he was injured?
if it was open, did the family leave it open to try to prevent him from walking into it?

was the door shut when he was injured?
did he walk into the door?

was there a dropoff behind the door? did he walk out of the door and fall off a ledge or down a cliff? anything like this?
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was the door open when he was injured? yes
if it was open, did the family leave it open to try to prevent him from walking into it? yes

was the door shut when he was injured?
did he walk into the door? so no

was there a dropoff behind the door? did he walk out of the door and fall off a ledge or down a cliff? anything like this? no
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did he think the door was shut?
because the door was shut, did he run into something else?

did he walk through the doorway and injure himself on the other side of the doorway?

did he try to open a door that was already opened? Maybe he leaned toward the open door to open it and once he realized that it was open, he lost his balance, fell, and broke a bone?

so, we know that the family was trying to prevent him from getting "cuts" from the door. Was it important what type of injuries did he sustain? broken bones? gashes?
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did he think the door was shut? YES
because the door was shut, did he run into something else? when do you mean? When he got the injuries that put him in hospital the door was open

did he walk through the doorway and injure himself on the other side of the doorway? no

did he try to open a door that was already opened? no Maybe he leaned toward the open door to open it and once he realized that it was open, he lost his balance, fell, and broke a bone? this is very very close

so, we know that the family was trying to prevent him from getting "cuts" from the door. yes Was it important what type of injuries did he sustain? broken bones? gashes? it's not important what his actual injuries were, just how he got them, and you're very close to getting that.
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I'm sorry, I meant to say, "because he thought the door was shut, did he run into something else"?
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I'm sorry, I meant to say, "because he thought the door was shut, did he run into something else"? no, he didn't
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so, he possibly leaned toward a door which he thought was closed, lost his balance and fell...i'm trying to visualize...were there steps on the other side of the door?

also, was is it relevant what type of glass door it is...regular one that swings open and shut or a sliding glass door?

can't remember if this has been asked, but is it relevant what type of house it is? it is a house, right? maybe a greenhouse? long shot: glass house? another long shot: they weren't in some sort of biosphere, were they?
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so, he possibly leaned toward a door which he thought was closed, lost his balance and fell yes...i'm trying to visualize...were there steps on the other side of the door? irrel

also, was is it relevant what type of glass door it is...regular one that swings open and shut or a sliding glass door? no

can't remember if this has been asked, but is it relevant what type of house it is? it is a house, right? maybe a greenhouse? long shot: glass house? another long shot: they weren't in some sort of biosphere, were they? no, just a normal house with a glass door
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I got so interested in the setting and what happened, I forgot to ask about the man...

is the man blind? and this is why he didn't realize the door was open already?
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so he fell through the open door... did he land on something? was he carrying something?
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I got so interested in the setting and what happened, I forgot to ask about the man...

is the man blind? and this is why he didn't realize the door was open already? no, but good thought!

Strongplacebo
so he fell through the open door... yes did he land on something? was he carrying something? no, but see hint below...
HINT: you are focusing too much on what happened when he fell through the door. He may have fallen onto steps or whatever, but he may equally likely have just hit his head on the ground-the important thing is that his injuries were enought to land him in hospital. You need to focus now on discovering the events leading up to him fallng through
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From earlier posts I think the setting has been discovered, some family/friends try to stop him from going WHAMMO! into a glass door, so the next time, they opened it, but then he leaned against what he thought was a closed door, but then, SPLAT!!! Next hour... In the hopital?
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so to focus on the events leading up to the accident:

did he trip on something right before he was injured?
was someone chasing him? was he running?
was he inebriated?
was he carrying anything that might have helped him to lose his balance?

had he run into the door many times before?
was there something special (as in happening) that day that made his family think, "you know, today we need to keep the door open?"
is he the only one in the family who has run through the door, or were there others?
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From earlier posts I think the setting has been discovered, some family/friends try to stop him from going WHAMMO! into a glass door, so the next time, they opened it, but then he leaned against what he thought was a closed door, but then, SPLAT!!! Next hour... In the hopital? yes...you're practically there now

Booklover
so to focus on the events leading up to the accident:

did he trip on something right before he was injured?
was someone chasing him? was he running?
was he inebriated?
was he carrying anything that might have helped him to lose his balance? no to all

had he run into the door many times before? well maybe not many but at least once...and that's the final detail
was there something special (as in happening) that day that made his family think, "you know, today we need to keep the door open?"
is he the only one in the family who has run through the door, or were there others? irrel because you've got it!

**********SPOILER*********************
Our hero and his family were in a house which had a glass door leading out to the garden. Unfortunatey, the glass door was particularly well cleaned and our hero walked straight into it without seeing it. Fortunately he wasn't hurt, but when he had left the room his family had the bright idea of opening the door, having horrible visualisations of it happening again and him plowing straight through the glass. Unfortunately, the next time he entered he room he leaned casually on the door, and fell through, cracking his head on the patio and ending up in hospital

Thanks to everyone who played my very first puzzle, and especially to Crazypalpig and Booklover for getting the final details!
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Thanks for the great puzzle--really good first one!
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Thanks...I was worried it would go really soon but at least it lasted a few days!

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