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This is quite a silly little puzzle...it's based on something someone said to me that made me laugh
Well, that's one use for them
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Was he or she talking of objects? non tangible things?
Is the one use of them the habitual use? is there another inhabitual use?
Did he want to make you laugh?
Was his statement erroneous or imperfect in any way (slip of the tongue, ignorance of something)?
Is the relation of you and him relevant? friends? family? colleagues? strangers?
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Was he or she talking of objects? non tangible things? tangible things
Is the one use of them the habitual use? no is there another inhabitual use? not sure what you mean
Did he want to make you laugh? yes
Was his statement erroneous or imperfect in any way (slip of the tongue, ignorance of something)? no
Is the relation of you and him relevant? friends? family? colleagues? strangers? irrel
The bit in italics was just explaining how I thougt of the puzzle and apologising in advance for its slightly silly nature. It's not important who said it to me, you would do better to focus on the puzzle statement itself (Well, that's one use for them). I'm sorry that was unclear
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Are the tangible things made out of: metal? wood? paper? glass? stone? concrete? tissue? organic material? plastic?
So 'them' refers to objects?
The statement is about the way certain objects can be used, right? And this way is rather uncommon?
Are the objects used by a specific group of people? of similar profession? similar interests?
Is the statement a kind of joke? a pun?
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title "looking silly" relevant?

talking about wearing these things?
on the body (meaning adornment)?
as clothes?
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Are the tangible things made out of: metal? wood? paper? glass? stone? concrete? tissue? organic material? this plastic?
So 'them' refers to objects? technically yes but you wouldn't classify them as "objects" normally
The statement is about the way certain objects can be used, right? yes And this way is rather uncommon? yes
Are the objects used by a specific group of people? in the statement they are, yes of similar profession? similar interests? not necesssarily
Is the statement a kind of joke? yes a pun? no

Booklover
title "looking silly" relevant? vaguely but it probably won't help you

talking about wearing these things? no
on the body (meaning adornment)?
as clothes? no to both
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Are the tangible things: humans? animals? plants? or part of it? something to eat?
The specific group of people using the things are: family members? friends? strangers?
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Are the tangible things: humans? animals? these plants? or part of it? something to eat?
The specific group of people using the things are: family members? friends? strangers? this
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Live animals?
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is it a type of fur from an animal?
feathers from an animal?
is it a type of "oil" from an animal?

do we need to know specific type of animal?
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Live animals? yes

Booklover
is it a type of fur from an animal?
feathers from an animal?
is it a type of "oil" from an animal? no to all

do we need to know specific type of animal? yes
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The animals:
dog? cat? horse? other mammal? bird? fish? other vetebrate? insect? other arthropod? mollusk? primitive animal?
Is it a domestic animal?
Does the animal in general live in:
north america? south america? africa? europe? australia? antartica? asia? water? the forest? on a plain? the mountains? the city? the air?
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The animals:
dog? cat? horse? other mammal? this bird? fish? other vetebrate? insect? other arthropod? mollusk? primitive animal?
Is it a domestic animal? yes
Does the animal in general live in:
north america? south america? africa? europe? australia? antartica? asia?
its found in nearly all countries but not Antarctica water? the forest? on a plain? the mountains? the city? the air? none of these
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cow? donkey? sheep? goat? mouse? rat? hamster? guinea pig?
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rabbit? gerbil?
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cow? donkey? sheep? this one goat? mouse? rat? hamster? guinea pig?

rabbit? gerbil? so no
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wool?
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wool? no, the actual live sheep
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So we are talking about a somewhat unusual or surreal use for one or more live sheep? Does the number of sheep matter? (If so, insert usual list of integers). Any wordplay involved? Eg use/ewes? Is the tendency of sheep to follow each other relevant to the puzzle? Anything to do with counting sheep? Any relevant parasites, etc, on the sheep? Are they white sheep? Black sheep? Do any of the sheep get harmed when put to this use? Do they get frightened? Paranoid? Would it work for rams, ewes, or both? Do the sheep move around when put to this use, or do they stand still (mostly)?
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So we are talking about a somewhat unusual or surreal use for one or more live sheep? yes, but the sheep aren't actually used in this way
Does the number of sheep matter? (If so, insert usual list of integers) no.
Any wordplay involved? Eg use/ewes? no...good thought though!
Is the tendency of sheep to follow each other relevant to the puzzle? no
Anything to do with counting sheep? no
Any relevant parasites, etc, on the sheep? no
Are they white sheep? Black sheep? white but I think black sheep could be used too
Do any of the sheep get harmed when put to this use? no Do they get frightened? no Paranoid? no
Would it work for rams, ewes, or both? it wouldn't work for rams
Do the sheep move around when put to this use, or do they stand still (mostly)? move around
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So is sheep milk relevant? lacation? gestation? sexual intercourse?
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So is sheep milk relevant? lacation? gestation? sexual intercourse? none of these sorry
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Would it work for goats? Would the entire puzzle work if translated into, say, French? Is it the sheep who would look silly if put to this use? Or the people in the puzzle?
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Would it work for goats? I don't think so but possibly, however there is a particular reason why the person was talking about sheep
Would the entire puzzle work if translated into, say, French? yes Is it the sheep who would look silly if put to this use? Or the people in the puzzle? the people, though that's not what I really meant by the title
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Ok, so now that we know it is sheep that you are talking about, your first comment could read, "well, that's one use for sheep." correct?

are the sheep outdoors? in a field? indoors? in a barn? inside a house?

are the people trying to do something to the sheep that would make the people look silly? trying to shear the sheep?

are the people trying to do something with the sheep that would make the people look silly? trying to run with the sheep? play some sort of game with the sheep--tug of war, tag, etc.? are they racing with the sheep? having some sort of party with the sheep?
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Ok, so now that we know it is sheep that you are talking about, your first comment could read, "well, that's one use for sheep." correct? correct

are the sheep outdoors? in a field? this but remember nobody has actually used sheep for this purpose...the person who suggected it was joking. If they were used for this purpose they would be in a field though indoors? in a barn? inside a house?

are the people trying to do something to the sheep that would make the people look silly? trying to shear the sheep? no to both

are the people trying to do something with the sheep that would make the people look silly? yes trying to run with the sheep? play some sort of game with the sheep--tug of war, tag, etc.? are they racing with the sheep? having some sort of party with the sheep? no to all these
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anything to do with counting sheep? trying to sleep?

would it involve making the sheep do something?

are lambs involved? or just adult sheep?
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anything to do with counting sheep? trying to sleep? no

would it involve making the sheep do something? yes

are lambs involved? or just adult sheep? could be either
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The use would be to make the sheep do the following:
produce a sound? do something with the mouth? move in any way? like jumping? walking? running?
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The use would be to make the sheep do the following:
produce a sound? do something with the mouth? move in any way? like jumping? walking? running?this one
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Would the sheep run to a particular place? escape from a particular place? go in somewhere? get out of somewhere? gather together? scatter?
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Would the sheep run to a particular place? yope escape from a particular place? no go in somewhere? yope get out of somewhere? nogather together? scatter? no-although many sheep are involved, if they were used for this purpose they would be used individually
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so all the sheep would do it but only one at a time? is it something that sheep could actually do on their own? or would they normally only do it with help of a human? or would they never do it except in the jokes hypothetical context?
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jump over something? a fence?
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so all the sheep would do it but only one at a time? not one at a time...theywould all be in different places is it something that sheep could actually do on their own? or would they normally only do it with help of a human? or would they never do it except in the jokes hypothetical context? this
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jump over something? a fence? no
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you mentioned that this would not work with rams, correct? Anything to do with ewes having teats that it wouldn't work for rams?

anything to do with rams having horns that it wouldn't work for rams?

regarding the running, would they be running on all four legs or two?
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you mentioned that this would not work with rams, correct? Anything to do with ewes having teats that it wouldn't work for rams? no

anything to do with rams having horns that it wouldn't work for rams? this is the reason why

regarding the running, would they be running on all four legs or two? four
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So is the head of the ewes relevant?
Would the sheep do something that in reality only humans do?
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So is the head of the ewes relevant? well the whole sheep is used in this way, but the reason it wouldn't work for rams is that they have horns
Would the sheep do something that in reality only humans do? not humans
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Would the sheep do something that in reality only other animals do? machines do?
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Would the sheep do something that in reality only other animals do? {yes} machines do? no
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Would it help to find out the exact animal that could do this?
dog? cat? horse? other mammal? bird? fish? other vetebrate? insect? other arthropod? mollusk? primitive animal?
Is it a domestic animal?
Does the animal in general live in:
north america? south america? africa? europe? australia? antartica? asia? water? the forest? on a plain? the mountains? the city? the air?

Or is it sufficient to find out the activity:
to swim? to dive? to fly? to dig? to produce a sound?
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Would it help to find out the exact animal that could do this? yes
dog? cat? horse? other mammal? bird? fish? other vetebrate? insect? other arthropod? mollusk? primitive animal?
Is it a domestic animal?
Does the animal in general live in:
north america? south america? africa? europe? australia? antartica? asia? water? the forest? on a plain? the mountains? the city? the air? it's a dog

Or is it sufficient to find out the activity:
to swim? to dive? to fly? to dig? to produce a sound? well you've found the animal
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barks like a dog?
fetches like a dog?
plays catch?
catches frisbees?
goes on walks with a leash?
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would the humans be playing some sort of trick with the sheep as they would a dog?
sheep playing dead?
sheep jumping through hoop?

would sheep be running around a racetrack like a dog (maybe like a greyhound)?
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barks like a dog?
fetches like a dog?
plays catch?
catches frisbees?
goes on walks with a leash? no to all

would the humans be playing some sort of trick with the sheep as they would a dog? not really a trick
sheep playing dead? no
sheep jumping through hoop? no

would sheep be running around a racetrack like a dog (maybe like a greyhound)? no
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Would the sheep act like a sheepdog?
Would they run like a dog? move like a dog?
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Would the sheep act like a sheepdog? YES!
Would they run like a dog? move like a dog? so yes
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So hypothetically the sheep would become sheepdogs?
Would each of those sheepdogs look after sheep? be on its own?
Well I still don't get the joke...
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So hypothetically the sheep would become sheepdogs? yes
Would each of those sheepdogs look after sheep? be on its own? irr
Well I still don't get the joke... well its not a traditional joke with a punchline, more a humorous comment...you have to find out the circumstances that prompted someone to suggest using the sheep as sheepdogs
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Would the sheepdog-acting sheep be herding other sheep? Or would they be herding dogs? Or something even sillier? Like cats?
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Would the sheepdog-acting sheep be herding other sheep? Or would they be herding dogs? Or something even sillier? Like cats? herding other sheep...the idea of sheep being used to herd other sheep is kind of funny, I thought. But there's a particular reason why they might have been used
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Would the special sheep have a particular colouring? Perhaps some sort of stripes that make them look like traffic police?
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Would the special sheep have a particular colouring? no Perhaps some sort of stripes that make them look like traffic police? no but this idea also makes me laugh
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was there a problem with an actual sheepdog? it couldn't get the sheep to do something? and someone suggested that it would probably be easier if another sheep was doing the job? as all the other sheep would listen to it much better than to a dog?
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Is there an analogy to humans, say a pupil becoming a teacher?
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was there a problem with an actual sheepdog? No it couldn't get the sheep to do something? and someone suggested that it would probably be easier if another sheep was doing the job? as all the other sheep would listen to it much better than to a dog? No

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Is there an analogy to humans, say a pupil becoming a teacher? No
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So it would not work if the bossy sheep had horns? Is this because the horns might hurt or intimidate the other sheep? Is there a style of pursuit that the bossy sheep use? Do they head-butt the other sheep? Do they baa?
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So it would not work if the bossy sheep had horns? Correct
Is this because the horns might hurt or intimidate the other sheep? Is there a style of pursuit that the bossy sheep use? Do they head-butt the other sheep? Do they baa? None of these reasons I'm afraid
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This has been quiet for a few days now so I'll post a...
HINT:The event prompting someone to suggest using sheep as sheepdogs was a recent funny news story (although I believe it turned out to be a hoax)
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Anything to do with a recent discovery about sheep? The intelligence of sheep? The habits of sheep? Has a sheep learned to bark? I can't get the reason they can't have horns: is it because they have to have something else on their heads? Hats? Perhaps a homing sheep? A self-herding sheep? A self-shearing sheep? A sheep that eats dogfood? Is cloning relevant? Was the news story about one particular sheep, or about a flock of them? Or some alleged property of sheep in general?
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Anything to do with a recent discovery about sheep? No The intelligence of sheep? No The habits of sheep? No Has a sheep learned to bark? No but that would be quite an achievement :-)
I can't get the reason they can't have horns: is it because they have to have something else on their heads? No Hats? No
Perhaps a homing sheep? A self-herding sheep? A self-shearing sheep? A sheep that eats dogfood? No to all
Is cloning relevant? No Was the news story about one particular sheep, or about a flock of them? Lots of sheep, but not all in the same flock Or some alleged property of sheep in general? No
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was the recent news story about sheep? or dogs? only thing I vaguely recall were a few comments about the show One Man and his Dog - anything to do with that?
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was the recent news story about sheep? yes or dogs? yope only thing I vaguely recall were a few comments about the show One Man and his Dog - anything to do with that? no
Perhaps I should add that I don't know how widespread this news story was...I heard it in England, but as it's not very important news (more just funny) it may not have been worldwide. It's not absolutely necessary to have heard the news story in order to solve this puzzle though
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When you say "lots of sheep", would that be all the sheep in England? All the sheep of one particular breed? All sheep of a particular colour? Roughly how many sheep would this apply to: 20? 50? 100? 1000? 100,000? More than this?

Strictly ewes only? Would it work for dehorned rams? Is there something doglike about the sheep's behaviour? Any particular navigational skills of sheep? Do some sheep have roles of authority within their sheepy society? Do some sheep act as lookouts for the flock in the style of meerkats? Do the sheep control vehicles?
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When you say "lots of sheep", would that be all the sheep in England? No All the sheep of one particular breed? No All sheep of a particular colour? All the sheep used in this way would be of the same colour, but not all sheep of this colour would be used in this way
Roughly how many sheep would this apply to: 20? 50? 100? 1000? 100,000? More than this? I believe it was about 2000
Strictly ewes only? Would it work for dehorned rams? I think it would
Is there something doglike about the sheep's behaviour? No
Any particular navigational skills of sheep? Do some sheep have roles of authority within their sheepy society? Do some sheep act as lookouts for the flock in the style of meerkats? Do the sheep control vehicles? No to all
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Bellwethers relevant?
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Bellwethers relevant? Erm...what are those??
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Did the news story mention sheep dogs? shepherds? the life of sheep? is a particular thing about the life of sheep relevant?
Was it about an unusual thing about sheep? that happened once? several times? in England? in different places?
Was the idea to use sheep as sheepdogs brought up by the news story? or did it only make your friend think of it?
So I guess you saw the news story (on TV? in the paper? you heard it on the radio?)? and then you discussed about it? including the transformation from sheep into sheepdog? and your friend said: "Well, that's one use for them"? which made you laugh?
The one use your friend was refering to was the use of sheep as sheepdog, correct? Saying it like this there is assumedly a second use for sheep? would it help to find out this second use?
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Did the news story mention sheep dogs? noshepherds? no the life of sheep? is a particular thing about the life of sheep relevant? not sure what you mean...a particular thing happened to these sheep that you must find out
Was it about an unusual thing about sheep? well it was an unusual thing done with them that happened once? several times? this in England? in different places? In one area but not England
Was the idea to use sheep as sheepdogs brought up by the news story? Yes or did it only make your friend think of it? No
So I guess you saw the news story (on TV? this
in the paper? you heard it on the radio?)? and then you discussed about it? including the transformation from sheep into sheepdog? and your friend said: "Well, that's one use for them"? which made you laugh? Actually, the news story prompted my friend to suggest that the sheep might be used as sheepdogs, to which I replied "Well, that's one use for them"
The one use your friend was refering to was the use of sheep as sheepdog, correct? yes Saying it like this there is assumedly a second use for sheep? would it help to find out this second use? well the second use is whatever you would normally use sheep for (giving wool, meat etc I suppose)
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Would it help to find out the country where this happened? New Zealand? north america? south america? europe? africa? asia? australia?
Did the news story mention: pastures? barns? wool? hearding sheep? intelligence of sheep? milk?
So the sheep in the news story had neither sheep dog nor shepherd?
Was the unusual thing done with sheep done by men? would it help to find out their profession? vet? farmer?
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Would it help to find out the country where this happened? Probably, though not if you never heard the news story
New Zealand? north america? south america? europe? africa? asia? this australia?
Did the news story mention: pastures? barns? wool? hearding sheep? intelligence of sheep? milk? none of these specifically
So the sheep in the news story had neither sheep dog nor shepherd? correct
Was the unusual thing done with sheep done by men? as opposed to women? Irrel. As opposed to animals? Yes would it help to find out their profession? you mean the profession of the people doing the strange thing to sheep? Yes vet? farmer? but neither of these
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Were the sheep in the news story wild sheep?
The profession of the men an women doing the strange things with the sheep:
Artistic? Musical?
Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman?
Banking? Financial? Real estate?
Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist?
Computer related? Hardware? Information technology?
Construction? Craftsman?
Criminal? Jailbird?
Education? Academic Research?
Entertainment? Media?
Executive? Management?
Hospitality? Travel? Food Service?
Law enforcement? Police?
Legal Services?
Manufacturing? Distributions?
Medical? Health Services?
Politics? Government? Military?
Sales? Marketing? Tradesman?
Religion?
Retired person? Occupational disease?
Sports?
Student? Trainee?
Teaching? Child care?
Technical? Science? Engineering?
Transportation?
Unemployed?
Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter?
Other?

And as I happen to have a list of the countries in Asia, where did this happen:
Afghanistan? Armenia? Azerbaijan? Bahrain? Bangladesh? Bhutan? Brunei? Cambodia? China? Georgia? Hong Kong? India? Indonesia? Iran? Iraq? Israel? Japan? Jordan? Kazakstan? Korea, North? Korea, South? Kuwait? Kyrgyzstan? Laos? Lebanon? Malaysia? Maldives? Mongolia? Myanmar?
Nepal? Oman? Pakistan? Philippines? Qatar? Russia? Saudi Arabia? Singapore? Sri Lanka? Syria? Taiwan? Tajikistan? Thailand? Turkey?Turkmenistan? United Arab Emirates? Uzbekistan? Vietnam? Yemen?
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Were the sheep in the news story wild sheep?
The profession of the men an women doing the strange things with the sheep:
Artistic? Musical?
Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman?
Banking? Financial? Real estate?
Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist?
Computer related? Hardware? Information technology?
Construction? Craftsman?
Criminal? this Jailbird?
Education? Academic Research?
Entertainment? Media?
Executive? Management?
Hospitality? Travel? Food Service?
Law enforcement? Police?
Legal Services?
Manufacturing? Distributions?
Medical? Health Services?
Politics? Government? Military?
Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Also this I guess
Religion?
Retired person? Occupational disease?
Sports?
Student? Trainee?
Teaching? Child care?
Technical? Science? Engineering?
Transportation?
Unemployed?
Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter?
Other?

And as I happen to have a list of the countries in Asia, where did this happen:
Afghanistan? Armenia? Azerbaijan? Bahrain? Bangladesh? Bhutan? Brunei? Cambodia? China? Georgia? Hong Kong? India? Indonesia? Iran? Iraq? Israel? Japan? This Jordan? Kazakstan? Korea, North? Korea, South? Kuwait? Kyrgyzstan? Laos? Lebanon? Malaysia? Maldives? Mongolia? Myanmar?
Nepal? Oman? Pakistan? Philippines? Qatar? Russia? Saudi Arabia? Singapore? Sri Lanka? Syria? Taiwan? Tajikistan? Thailand? Turkey?Turkmenistan? United Arab Emirates? Uzbekistan? Vietnam? Yemen?
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Were the sheep in the news story wild sheep?

And here comes the crime list:
assault? battery?
black market?
blackmail? extortion?
breach of contract?
burglary? trespass?
computer crime?
destroying property? vandalism? arson?
eco-crime? poacher? cruelty to animals?
forgery? counterfeiting?
fraud? cardsharper? embezzlement?
homicide? murder? manslaughter? accidental killing?
identity theft?
illegal gambling?
illegal possesion or trade of objects or substances (weapons, drugs, ...)?
inchoate offense?
kidnapping?
libel? menace?
negligence? failure to render assistance?
perjury?
sexual offenses? sexual assault?
smuggling?
stealing? pickpocketing? looting? robbery? larceny? piracy?
subversive activities? dissident? incitement of the people?
terrorism?
traffic offence?
treason? disertion? espionage?
unfair competition?
violation of intellectual property rights or copyrights?
violation of privacy? stalking? disrupting the peace? harassment?
war crime?
white-collar crime? evasion?
Other?
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Were the sheep in the news story wild sheep? Sorry missed that question...no they weren't

And here comes the crime list:
assault? battery?
black market?
blackmail? extortion?
breach of contract?
burglary? trespass?
computer crime?
destroying property? vandalism? arson?
eco-crime? poacher? cruelty to animals?
forgery? counterfeiting?
fraud? this I think cardsharper? embezzlement?
homicide? murder? manslaughter? accidental killing?
identity theft?
illegal gambling?
illegal possesion or trade of objects or substances (weapons, drugs, ...)?
inchoate offense?
kidnapping?
libel? menace?
negligence? failure to render assistance?
perjury?
sexual offenses? sexual assault?
smuggling?
stealing? pickpocketing? looting? robbery? larceny? piracy?
subversive activities? dissident? incitement of the people?
terrorism?
traffic offence?
treason? disertion? espionage?
unfair competition?
violation of intellectual property rights or copyrights?
violation of privacy? stalking? disrupting the peace? harassment?
war crime?
white-collar crime? evasion?
Other?
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Did the criminal trade living sheep? sheep products (as milk, wool, ...)?
In the first place, did the sheep belong to the criminals? Did they lie about certain qualities of the sheep?
Or did the criminals get the sheep in an illegal way?
Are the persons with whom they traded relevant?
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Or did the criminals trade with some product related to sheep?
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Did the criminal trade living sheep? yes sheep products (as milk, wool, ...)?
In the first place, did the sheep belong to the criminals? yes Did they lie about certain qualities of the sheep? YES
Or did the criminals get the sheep in an illegal way? no
Are the persons with whom they traded relevant? not really
Or did the criminals trade with some product related to sheep? No, they traded the actual sheep
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Did the criminals lie about sheep's color?
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Did the criminals lie about sheep's color? No, their lie was a bit more audacious than this
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So something of the animals that the criminals offered did not correspond at what they delivered? Was it: the species (sheep)? the sex? the age? whether the animals were alive or not?
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So something of the animals that the criminals offered did not correspond at what they delivered? Was it: the species (sheep)? yes the sex? the age? whether the animals were alive or not?
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Did they offer something else and delivered sheep? or did they offer sheep and delivered something else?
Is something else: different animals? dogs?
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Did they offer something else and delivered sheep? this or did they offer sheep and delivered something else?
Is something else: different animals? yes dogs? yes
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So, those criminals in the news story sold (female) sheep pretending it was dogs? And your comment was that those 'dogs' could be used as sheep dogs?
Is there more?
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So, those criminals in the news story sold (female) sheep pretending it was dogs? And your comment was that those 'dogs' could be used as sheep dogs?
Is there more? I don't think so but there may be a detail you haven't worked out. The criminals didn't just offer dogs and deliver sheep, there is a reason why the sheep had to be female.
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Well, I wonder how this could work at all, to sell sheep as dogs. But to use rams with horns seems to be still more difficult?
Are the sheep disguised or transformed in any way (This reminds me of the Monty Python's pet conversion sketch)?
Is there a feature of the 'dogs' that is praised in particular, say our dogs have soft, woolen hair?
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Well, I wonder how this could work at all, to sell sheep as dogs. But to use rams with horns seems to be still more difficult? It is
Are the sheep disguised or transformed in any way Yes (This reminds me of the Monty Python's pet conversion sketch)? Sorry, never seen it...
Is there a feature of the 'dogs' that is praised in particular, say our dogs have soft, woolen hair? Noish

It's pretty much all there now. The one detail left is which breed of dog the sheep were disguised as, and if you get that then you should be able to guess how they were disguised. Hint: it's not a breed of dog normally used to herd sheep. If this is too much to work out then I'll sp01l soon - I think the answer is pretty funny
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I was thinking of poodles, as they are mostly dressed up?
Here is list of dog breed categories from Wikipedia: Sight hounds? Scent hounds? Gundogs? Terrier? Spitz or Artic dogs? Sheep and livestock herding dogs? Guard dogs? Miniature or Toy dogs?
Mongrel or Curs dogs?
I still don't understand the horn issue.
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I was thinking of poodles, as they are mostly dressed up? Yup
Here is list of dog breed categories from Wikipedia: Sight hounds? Scent hounds? Gundogs? Terrier? Spitz or Artic dogs? Sheep and livestock herding dogs? Guard dogs? Miniature or Toy dogs?
Mongrel or Curs dogs?
I still don't understand the horn issue.

**************************SPOILER*****************
According to a news story I heard a while ago, poodles are becoming the pet of choice among the rich and famous of Japan. Someone decided to cash in on this, banking on the fact that most Japanese people have seen neither poodles nor sheep in their lives. They sold thousands of sheep which had been shaved to look like poodles to the Japanese for half the price of a normal poodle. According to the story this was discovered when a Japanese actress on a talk show and complained that her new poodle would not bark or eat dog food; she then showed a picture to the camera and someone helpfully pointed out it was in fact a sheep. This prompted a friend of mine to suggest that funny consequences might ensue if the Japanese tried to use their new “dogs” to herd sheep, to which I replied “Well, that’s one use for them”. The horn thing is because I think even if you have never seen a poodle, you would be suspicious if it had horns. This was of course kind of a silly puzzle, since
a) According to this snopes.com article this story is untrue
b) Poodles are not generally used as sheepdogs
c) If the Japanese had sheep to herd, they would of course recognise their dogs as what they were.
But I quite liked the story and thought it deserved a puzzle.


The news story and a picture of the alleged poodle-sheep can be found at http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007190295,00.html
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I agree that this weird story deserved a puzzle. And here is the
Monty Python sketch. Maybe it inspired the sun?
Thank you Enjay!
Enjay (Enjay)
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Post Number: 570
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 8:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It does seem similar...I remember watching that sketch now but I never thought of the similarities. Thanks for the link.

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