| Author | Message | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 65 Registered: 3-2007 |
He didn't mean to solve that problem by being cheap on the other one. | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 147 Registered: 4-2007 |
"He": an abstract human adult? or someone specific? "The other one": also a problem? Of the same kind? Did he solve the first problem? The second one? Type of problem: mathematical? Managerial? Organizational? Logical ( puzzle )? Practical ( also referred to as "inventive" )? Scientific? Was he cheap money or resources? Would he be paying for services? labor? goods / physical objects? licensing fees? "usage" rights? utilities? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 67 Registered: 3-2007 |
"He": an abstract human adult? Human, yes; adult, yes or someone specific? I got the idea from someone specific, but this could work for many people. "The other one": also a problem? Yes Of the same kind? Not really Did he solve the first problem? The second one? Yes to both Type of problem: mathematical? Managerial? Organizational? Logical ( puzzle )? Practical ( also referred to as "inventive" )? I think this one's closest. Scientific? Was he cheap money or resources? Money Would he be paying for services? Yes labor? This too goods / physical objects? licensing fees? "usage" rights? utilities? No to rest | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 518 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did he have to do anything more to solve the second problem? Or was it automatically solved by his being cheap on the first? Did he want to solve both problems? Ie was it a nice surprise for him when he found that the second problem had been solved by his being cheap? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 68 Registered: 3-2007 |
Did he have to do anything more to solve the second problem? Not really Or was it automatically solved by his being cheap on the first? This one Did he want to solve both problems? He wanted to solve them both... Ie was it a nice surprise for him when he found that the second problem had been solved by his being cheap? Yes | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 537 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did he solve the first problem as well as he could have done? Would it have been better solved if he had been less cheap? Was something done below standard on the first problem which, it turned out, solved the second problem? Was he hiring people to do the job? And he hired people who were cheaper, but less skilled? Was the second problem a problem at the time when he was solving the first problem? Or did it arise later? If so, was it solved immediately by his having been cheap on the first one? Or did his being cheap prevent the second problem from ever arising at all? Would his cheapness be considered illegal? Immoral? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 70 Registered: 3-2007 |
Did he solve the first problem as well as he could have done? No Would it have been better solved if he had been less cheap? Yes Was something done below standard on the first problem which, it turned out, solved the second problem? Yes Was he hiring people to do the job? No And he hired people who were cheaper, but less skilled? So no Was the second problem a problem at the time when he was solving the first problem? Yes Or did it arise later? If so, was it solved immediately by his having been cheap on the first one? Or did his being cheap prevent the second problem from ever arising at all? So no to the rest Would his cheapness be considered illegal? I don't actually know... Immoral? Not really, no | ||
| Lauren (Lauren)
New member Username: Lauren Post Number: 44 Registered: 2-2005 |
Is his occupation relevant? Are the problems work-related? Is he in a powerful/commanding position? Is he solving these problems for a higher-up authority? Did he purchase materials? Rent/purchase a venue? Purchase something else? Does the fact that he is being "cheap" mean that the materials/venues/etc. that he purchased are sub-standard? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 71 Registered: 3-2007 |
Is his occupation relevant? No Are the problems work-related? No Is he in a powerful/commanding position? No Is he solving these problems for a higher-up authority? No Did he purchase materials? Yes Rent/purchase a venue? Purchase something else? Does the fact that he is being "cheap" mean that the materials/venues/etc. that he purchased are sub-standard? No to rest | ||
| Blazingphoenix (Blazingphoenix)
New member Username: Blazingphoenix Post Number: 99 Registered: 2-2007 |
Were the materials for a job? project? other person? hobby? situation that he had to get out of? Are any other people relevant? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 72 Registered: 3-2007 |
Were the materials for a job? No project? Yes other person? hobby? situation that he had to get out of? No to the rest Are any other people relevant? Yes | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 58 Registered: 5-2007 |
Does the term "being cheap" mean "spending less money than he would have otherwise?" Was the project... ...home improvement? (If so, kitchen? Bathroom? Carpet? Roof? Walls? Electrical wiring?) ...car-related? ...for a hobby? Was the second problem related to the first one? Was the second problem... ...home improvement? (If so, kitchen? Bathroom? Carpet? Roof? Walls? Insulation? Electrical wiring?) ...car-related? ...for a hobby? Was he able to use materials left over from the ones he purchased for the first project to help solve the second one? Did the solution to the second problem involve doing harm to someone else? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 73 Registered: 3-2007 |
Does the term "being cheap" mean "spending less money than he would have otherwise?" Yes Was the project... ...home improvement? No (If so, kitchen? Bathroom? Carpet? Roof? Walls? Electrical wiring?) ...car-related? This one ...for a hobby? So no to this one too Was the second problem related to the first one? Yes Was the second problem... ...home improvement? (If so, kitchen? Bathroom? Carpet? Roof? Walls? Insulation? Electrical wiring?) ...car-related? This one again ...for a hobby? Was he able to use materials left over from the ones he purchased for the first project to help solve the second one? No, possible FA here... Did the solution to the second problem involve doing harm to someone else? No | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 64 Registered: 5-2007 |
Did both problems involve the same car? Did the first problem involve... ...Buying a car? ...Selling a car? ...Giving a car as a gift? ...Car insurance? ...Getting a car stolen? ...Getting something inside the car stolen? ...Repairing/maintaining a car? If so, which part: ......Engine? ......Tires/Wheels? ......Oil change? ......Fuel? ......Exterior of car? ......Interior of car? ......Air conditioning? ......Radio? Did the second problem involve... ...Buying a car? ...Selling a car? ...Giving a car as a gift? ...Car insurance? ...Getting a car stolen? ...Getting something inside the car stolen? ...Repairing/maintaining a car? If so, which part: ......Engine? ......Tires/Wheels? ......Oil change? ......Fuel? ......Exterior of car? ......Interior of car? ......Air conditioning? ......Radio? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 74 Registered: 3-2007 |
Did both problems involve the same car? Yes Did the first problem involve... ...Buying a car? ...Selling a car? ...Giving a car as a gift? ...Car insurance? ...Getting a car stolen? ...Getting something inside the car stolen? ...Repairing/maintaining a car? If so, which part: This one ......Engine? ......Tires/Wheels? ......Oil change? ......Fuel? ......Exterior of car? Yes ......Interior of car? ......Air conditioning? ......Radio? Did the second problem involve... ...Buying a car? ...Selling a car? ...Giving a car as a gift? ...Car insurance? ...Getting a car stolen? ...Getting something inside the car stolen? ...Repairing/maintaining a car? If so, which part: ......Engine? ......Tires/Wheels? ......Oil change? ......Fuel? ......Exterior of car? ......Interior of car? ......Air conditioning? ......Radio? Sorry, none of the above. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 575 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did he paint the car? Polish it? Wash it? (for the first problem, I mean) | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 171 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did not maintaining his car's appearance lower his insurance premium? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 75 Registered: 3-2007 |
Did he paint the car? Polish it? Wash it? (for the first problem, I mean) None of the above, I'm afraid Did not maintaining his car's appearance lower his insurance premium? Sorry, but no | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 67 Registered: 5-2007 |
Did the car appear damaged before he fixed the first problem? After he fixed the first problem? Did the fact that the car appeared damaged fix the second problem? Was the car involved in an accident? | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 173 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the project that solved the first problem a repair job? a maintenance? an enhancement? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 76 Registered: 3-2007 |
Did the car appear damaged before he fixed the first problem? Yes After he fixed the first problem? Yes Did the fact that the car appeared damaged fix the second problem? Yes Was the car involved in an accident? No Was the project that solved the first problem a repair job? This one a maintenance? an enhancement? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 69 Registered: 5-2007 |
So the car appeared damaged before he fixed the second problem, and after it, and the fact that it appeared damaged was what fixed the second problem. Nevertheless, before he fixed the first problem (and at a time when the car still appeared damaged) the problem was not solved. Is this correct? Was the original damage to his car caused by intentional malice? Did someone "key" his car? Was the car in a drive-able condition before he fixed the first problem? Did the second problem involve... ...protecting his car from theft? ...protecting his car from further damage? ...identifying his car? ...something that happens while he is driving his car? ...proving something to someone else? ...deceiving someone else? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 77 Registered: 3-2007 |
So the car appeared damaged before he fixed the second problem, and after it, and the fact that it appeared damaged was what fixed the second problem. Exactly Nevertheless, before he fixed the first problem (and at a time when the car still appeared damaged) the problem was not solved. Is this correct? Yes, but... Was the original damage to his car caused by intentional malice? Did someone "key" his car? No Was the car in a drive-able condition before he fixed the first problem? It really depends on your definition of "driveable." The car did operate if that is what your asking. Did the second problem involve... ...protecting his car from theft? ...protecting his car from further damage? ...identifying his car? ...something that happens while he is driving his car? This one! ...proving something to someone else? ...deceiving someone else? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 81 Registered: 5-2007 |
Did the second problem involve... ...the air conditioning? ...the radio? CD player? ...something the passengers in his car do? ...something pedestrians who see his car do? ...something that other drivers do? So the initial damage do his car wasn't caused by either intentional malice or an accident. Correct? Does it matter how the initial damage to his car was caused? Was it caused by: ...a deliberate action by the driver? ...a deliberate action by a passenger? ...a natural disaster? ...the weather? ...something that is not a vehicle hitting the car? hail? a bullet? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 78 Registered: 3-2007 |
Did the second problem involve... ...the air conditioning? ...the radio? CD player? ...something the passengers in his car do? ...something pedestrians who see his car do? ...something that other drivers do? Yes So the initial damage do his car wasn't caused by either intentional malice or an accident. Correct? Correct Does it matter how the initial damage to his car was caused? Not really Was it caused by: ...a deliberate action by the driver? ...a deliberate action by a passenger? ...a natural disaster? ...the weather? ...something that is not a vehicle hitting the car? hail? a bullet? None of the above | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 84 Registered: 5-2007 |
Is the thing that other drivers do... ...a gesture? ...road rage? ...dangerous driving? just driving aggressively in general or a specific type of dangerous action ...a criminal act? trying to damage his car? trying to hurt him in any way? Do the other drivers do that thing when they are in a particular driving situation? when he is in a particular driving situation? If yes to either of the above, is the situation... ...driving along the highway? ...driving in a city? ...trying to make a left turn? ...trying to make a right turn? ...stopped at a red light? ...approaching a traffic light? ...being stopped for a traffic violation? ...related to emergency vehicles? (Is his vehicle an emergency vehicle?) | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 79 Registered: 3-2007 |
Is the thing that other drivers do... ...a gesture? ...road rage? Yes ...dangerous driving? But this one, is probably more accurate just driving aggressively in general or a specific type of dangerous action The action is specific ...a criminal act? trying to damage his car? trying to hurt him in any way? None of these, really Do the other drivers do that thing when they are in a particular driving situation? when he is in a particular driving situation? If yes to either of the above, is the situation... Drivers do this in a variety of situations ...driving along the highway? ...driving in a city? ...trying to make a left turn? ...trying to make a right turn? ...stopped at a red light? ...approaching a traffic light? ...being stopped for a traffic violation? ...related to emergency vehicles? (Is his vehicle an emergency vehicle?) | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 87 Registered: 5-2007 |
The specific type of dangerous driving action... ...driving while distracted? while talking on a cell phone? ...driving too fast? too slow? ...tailgating? ...cutting people off? unsafe lane changes? ...ignoring any sort of traffic signal? stoplights? signs? ...making hand gestures at other drivers? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 80 Registered: 3-2007 |
The specific type of dangerous driving action... ...driving while distracted? while talking on a cell phone? ...driving too fast? too slow? ...tailgating? This one ...cutting people off? unsafe lane changes? ...ignoring any sort of traffic signal? stoplights? signs? ...making hand gestures at other drivers? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 91 Registered: 5-2007 |
So the second problem was that other drivers were tailgating his car? And they stopped once they saw his car appeared damaged? Was the reason because... ...his car was (or appeared) slower because it was damaged, so other drivers passed him rather than tailgating? ...other drivers were more worried his car would stop short, so they kept their distance? ...other drivers thought that if they got in an accident, they would be in bigger trouble? because the police would be more likely to rule the accident their fault? because they thought he didn't have insurance? ...other drivers thought that he would be more likely to retaliate? Did it just matter that the exterior of the car appeared damaged, or is there a specific pattern of damage that is relevant? Did the pattern of damage look like it was a symbol that conveyed a specific message? like that he belonged to a gang? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 81 Registered: 3-2007 |
So the second problem was that other drivers were tailgating his car? And they stopped once they saw his car appeared damaged? Yes Was the reason because... ...his car was (or appeared) slower because it was damaged, so other drivers passed him rather than tailgating? No ...other drivers were more worried his car would stop short, so they kept their distance? No ...other drivers thought that if they got in an accident, they would be in bigger trouble? because the police would be more likely to rule the accident their fault? because they thought he didn't have insurance? No ...other drivers thought that he would be more likely to retaliate? Still no Did it just matter that the exterior of the car appeared damaged, or is there a specific pattern of damage that is relevant? A specific kind of damage Did the pattern of damage look like it was a symbol that conveyed a specific message? like that he belonged to a gang? Not this, I'm afraid | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 100 Registered: 5-2007 |
Side of car that was damaged: Front? Left side? Right side? Back? Specific part of car that damage appeared on: Side window? Rear window? Windshield? Bumper? Exhaust pipe? Door of trunk? License plate? License plate holder? Type of damage: Paint scratched? Dented? Cracked? Did the damage cause the other drivers to make a particular inference about his car? About his driving habits? If either of the above, was the inference they made true? Prior to the damage, was there something about his car that made other drivers more likely to want to tailgate it than they would any other car? If so, was the reason other drivers tailgated his car more often because... ...they thought they wouldn't get caught (compared to tailgating any other car)? ...they thought they would be safe doing so (again, compared to tailgating any other car)? ...they wanted to anger him for some reason? because he had a bumper sticker on his car or some image on his car that was offensive? ...they wanted to look inside his car? Was there a beautiful woman in it, or a picture of one? Did the damage to his car prevent other drivers from seeing something? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 82 Registered: 3-2007 |
Side of car that was damaged: Front? Left side? Right side? Back? Yes Specific part of car that damage appeared on: Side window? Rear window? Windshield? Bumper? YES! Exhaust pipe? Door of trunk? License plate? License plate holder? Type of damage: Paint scratched? Dented? Cracked? None of the above Did the damage cause the other drivers to make a particular inference about his car? About his driving habits? Not really If either of the above, was the inference they made true? Prior to the damage, was there something about his car that made other drivers more likely to want to tailgate it than they would any other car? No If so, was the reason other drivers tailgated his car more often because... ...they thought they wouldn't get caught (compared to tailgating any other car)? ...they thought they would be safe doing so (again, compared to tailgating any other car)? ...they wanted to anger him for some reason? because he had a bumper sticker on his car or some image on his car that was offensive? ...they wanted to look inside his car? Was there a beautiful woman in it, or a picture of one? Did the damage to his car prevent other drivers from seeing something? No | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 104 Registered: 5-2007 |
Was the bumper completely detached? Was it partially detached? Was it broken in two? Did the lack of a bumper mean that other drivers thought that if they crashed into him, the accident would be more serious? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 83 Registered: 3-2007 |
Was the bumper completely detached? Yes Was it partially detached? Was it broken in two? Did the lack of a bumper mean that other drivers thought that if they crashed into him, the accident would be more serious? Noish | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 84 Registered: 3-2007 |
I should probably clarify that the bumper being detached was the first problem, not the solution for the second. | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 108 Registered: 5-2007 |
So the first problem was that the bumper was detached. Did the solution that he implemented involve... ...replacing the bumper with another bumper of the same type as the one that was detached? ...replacing the bumper with a bumper of visibly lower quality than the one that was detached? ...replacing the bumper with something that wasn't normally intended to be used as a bumper? ...reattaching the bumper with the same type of screws that the bumper was originally attached with? ...reattaching the bumper with something less strong? After the repair job, were other drivers able to tell that the bumper had been previously damaged? Is the fact that they saw a damaged bumper the reason they didn't tailgate? Did they think that the bumper might fall off again? | ||
| Danaria789 (Danaria789)
New member Username: Danaria789 Post Number: 90 Registered: 3-2007 |
**********************!!!SPIOLER!!!********************** Many years ago, the bumper to my dad's car fell off. Since he was short on money at the time, he decided to tie the bumper on with a bungee cord. He was surprised to discover that people gave him a wide distance and didn't tailgate him anymore because the bumper bounced up and down ominously while he was driving. They though that it would fall off and damage their car even though my father had made sure that it wouldn't be falling off again. Thanks to everyone who participated in this puzzle, especially Alex319 who did most of the problem solving toward the end. Thank you for a fun time! |
