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Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 12:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Feeling depressed Dave jumps from a tall building and is killed. Yet someone is successfully prosecuted for his murder
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Dave=h? a? m?
Does Dave intend to kill himself by jumping off the building? Does the fall alone kill him or is there more?
Is it relevant why Dave was feeling depressed? Was the person prosecuted the person who drove Dave to be depressed?
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Dave=h? yes a? no m? yes
Does Dave intend to kill himself by jumping off the building? yes Does the fall alone kill him or is there more? there's more
Is it relevant why Dave was feeling depressed? yes Was the person prosecuted the person who drove Dave to be depressed? yes . excellent questions btw
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Was Dave:
0-5 years?
5-8?
9-12?
13-18?

Was he being abused? Had something terrible happened in his life? Had somebody died?
Did he actually hit the ground after jumping? Did something happen to him on the way down? Would this work if he had killed himelf another way?
Was the person prosecuted a relative of Dave? Friend? Other? Were they guilty of his murder? Were they prosecuted simply because they had driven him to suicide, or did they physically murder him? Would there have been some controversy about their conviction?
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 1:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Dave:
0-5 years?
5-8?
9-12? we'll say this
13-18?

Was he being abused? noHad something terrible happened in his life? yopeHad somebody died? no
Did he actually hit the ground after jumping? no Did something happen to him on the way down? yes Would this work if he had killed himelf another way? no
Was the person prosecuted a relative of Dave? Friend? Other? Were they guilty of his murder? Were they prosecuted simply because they had driven him to suicide, or did they physically murder him? Would there have been some controversy about their conviction?
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Did something break his fall? If so was it something that should have been there, or was it put there?

I think you missed a few of Enjay's questions
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was he hypnotised? did someone tell him to kill himself?
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I think I might know his one. or at least something related?
Was Dave depressed because someone hadn't died?
Peter365 (Peter365)
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apologies Enjay
Was the person prosecuted a relative of Dave? yes Friend? Other? Were they guilty of his murder? yesishWere they prosecuted simply because they had driven him to suicide, or did they physically murder him? yes Would there have been some controversy about their conviction? yes
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Did something break his fall? yes If so was it something that should have been there, or was it put there? it was put there
Peter365 (Peter365)
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was he hypnotised? no did someone tell him to kill himself? no


I think I might know his one. or at least something related?
Was Dave depressed because someone hadn't died? no
Enjay (Enjay)
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Did the person mean to drive Dave to suicide? Did they mean to do the thing that killed him? Was it them that put the thing that broke his fall?
Are they a parent? Sibling? Grandparent? Uncle? Aunt? Cousin? of Dave
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was he already dying when he jumped?
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If he hit the ground, would he still be dead? Relevant what type of building he jumped off? Also, if he hit the ground, would the person still be prosocuted successfully>
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If he hit the ground, would he still be dead? Relevant what type of building he jumped off? Also, if he hit the ground, would the person still be prosocuted successfully>
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Did the person mean to drive Dave to suicide? no Did they mean to do the thing that killed him? no Was it them that put the thing that broke his fall? no
Are they a parent? this Sibling? Grandparent? Uncle? Aunt? Cousin? of Dave
Peter365 (Peter365)
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was he already dying when he jumped? no

If he hit the ground, would he still be dead? yes Relevant what type of building he jumped off? yes Also, if he hit the ground, would the person still be prosocuted successfully no
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I think I know this one. To determine what I think the answer is, put the following text into www.rot13.com :

Ur whzcrq bss n ohvyqvat vagraqvat gb pbzzvg fhvpvqr. Ubjrire, ba gur jnl qbja ur jnf uvg ol n fgenl ohyyrg sverq sebz vafvqr gur ohvyqvat naq jnf xvyyrq. Abeznyyl gur crefba jbhyq abg or cebfrphgrq sbe zheqre, orpnhfr gur ivpgvz jbhyq unir qvrq naljnl jura ur uvg gur tebhaq. Ubjrire, gurer jnf n fnsrgl arg gurer sbe haeryngrq ernfbaf (fnl, pbafgehpgvba) fb ur jbhyqa'g unir qvrq unq ur abg orra fubg. Gurersber gur crefba jub sverq gur ohyyrg pbhyq or punetrq jvgu zheqre.
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Was Dave diving into water? bungee jumping?
Did he jump off the top of the building? from a window? from another structure?
Was a terrible thing: being bullied? experiencing loss? disappointment?
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 - 9:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think I know this one. To determine what I think the answer is, put the following text into www.rot13.com :

Ur whzcrq bss n ohvyqvat vagraqvat gb pbzzvg fhvpvqr. Ubjrire, ba gur jnl qbja ur jnf uvg ol n fgenl ohyyrg sverq sebz vafvqr gur ohvyqvat naq jnf xvyyrq. Abeznyyl gur crefba jbhyq abg or cebfrphgrq sbe zheqre, orpnhfr gur ivpgvz jbhyq unir qvrq naljnl jura ur uvg gur tebhaq. Ubjrire, gurer jnf n fnsrgl arg gurer sbe haeryngrq ernfbaf (fnl, pbafgehpgvba) fb ur jbhyqa'g unir qvrq unq ur abg orra fubg. Gurersber gur crefba jub sverq gur ohyyrg pbhyq or punetrq jvgu zheqre.spot on. I don't mind if someone knows this and spoils. I feel i may have given too much away in the puzzle statement
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Was Dave diving into water? bungee jumping? no to both
Did he jump off the top of the building? yes from a window? from another structure?
Was a terrible thing: being bullied? experiencing loss? disappointment? none of these fit the bill exactly
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Was the tall building a block of flats? office block? hotel? monument? tower? tourist attraction?
Would Dave have been there if he hadn't intended to jump?
If the parent (father? mother? does it matter?) didn't mean to do the thing that killed him, was it just that they were successfully prosecuted for his murder?
Was something put on the ground? held out of a window? attached to the outside of the building? did it come only when it became apparent that Dave was going to jump? had it been there for a while? was it growing?
Was Dave's body pierced by the thing?
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Was the tall building a block of flats? this one office block? hotel? monument? tower? tourist attraction?
Would Dave have been there if he hadn't intended to jump? on the roof no. but in the building yes
If the parent (father? mother? this does it matter? noish) didn't mean to do the thing that killed him, was it just that they were successfully prosecuted for his murder? not sure exactly what you're asking here but fair to say that her conviction was dubious in the extreme
Was something put on the ground? no held out of a window? no attached to the outside of the building? yes did it come only when it became apparent that Dave was going to jump? no had it been there for a while? yes but would depend on what you mean by a while. We'll say a day or two was it growing? no
Was Dave's body pierced by the thing? no
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Had they recently moved to the flat? Did they formerly have a garden? a pet which they could no longer have? Had his parents divorced? Was the thing a window box? a washing line? a TV satelite dish? an advertising hoarding? a balcony? an awning? Was it put there with any necessary permission? Was it something not usually fixed to a building?
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Had they recently moved to the flat? irr Did they formerly have a garden? irr a pet which they could no longer have? no Had his parents divorced? no Was the thing a window box? a washing line? a TV satelite dish? an advertising hoarding? a balcony? an awning? none of these Was it put there with any necessary permission? yes Was it something not usually fixed to a building? only at a specific time
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Christmas decorations? lights? Did he not get what he'd hoped for at Christmas?
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Christmas decorations? lights? Did he not get what he'd hoped for at Christmas? none of the above but what a great puzzle that would have made
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Posted on Friday, June 15, 2007 - 3:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

as this has gone dead and for the benefit of those who haven't deciphered Alex's answer i'll post the

******************SPOILER****************

Dave is a teenager who lives in an apartment block with his parents. They are constantly fighting and their arguments are getting more and more violent with a gun being produced in a threatening manner on more than one occasion. Depressed by this Dave decides to kill himself by jumping from the top of the apartment building. Several storeys below Dave's parents are fighting and Dave's mother produces a gun which accidently discharges. The bullet passes through the open window of the apartment striking Dave as he plummets past killing him instantly. Dave lands in a window cleaners safety net which had only been erected the previous day and which only for the bullet would have saved his life. Thus Dave's mother is charged with causing his death.

Not sure if this is a true story but Tom Cruise's character tells it in the film Magnolia along with the infamous Greenberry Hill coincidence. To see the quote in full please click below. CHEERS. I'm off to meet my mates for a RIOT or I mean PINT!!


www.imdb.com/title/tt0175880/quotes
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Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2007 - 6:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I thought it might've been that story when i asked whether he jumped because someone didn't die. There is another version of this story with an even wackier subtext - actually on reading the link you gave - the same story. where the man successfully committed homicide on himself by loading his parents shotgun with the intent that his father would shoot his mother. he jumps because they hadn't fought in a while.

Great story for a puzzle! I'm suprised no-one's used it before.
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Not sure if I can still post here, but that story HIGHLY resembles the FALSE tale of one Ronald Opus - you can look it up on snopes, I've read it many times for the sheer amusement of it all.
If it's not on snopes, it's on darwinawards.com

Cheers =]

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