| Author | Message | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2007 |
One area of a town has ten shops. All shops experience some level of shoplifting, but one of the shops experiences as much as all the others put together. Why does this one shop get so much stolen in comparison to the others? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 603 Registered: 11-2003 |
Are all the shops the same kind of shops? If they are, is it relevant what they sell? and also, if they are the same are the same kind of goods stolen? If the shops are not the same, is it relevant what the most shoplifted shop sells (compared to the others)? The level of shoplifting is it calculated in how many items stolen? or the monetary value? Crime levels in the various parts of the area relevant? Revenge relevant? Anything relevant with any of the shop managers? owners? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 240 Registered: 5-2007 |
I think I may know this one (ROT13 to read): Gur fgberf fryy fubrf. Avar bs gurz qvfcynl yrsg fubrf va gur jvaqbj, gur bgure qvfcynlf evtug fubrf. Fubcyvsgref fgrny gur yrsg fubrf sebz bar bs gur svefg avar fubcf naq gura tb gb gur gragu fubc gb fgrny gur evtug fubr gb pbzcyrgr gur cnve. | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 827 Registered: 9-2003 |
is any sort os security system relevant? or security personnel? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2007 |
Alex319: Yes, you're right. Puzzle I thought of on my way to work the other day, but seemed too sweet not to have been done before. Seems it was, oh well! For those who want to play on... Eli: Are all the shops the same kind of shops? Yes is it relevant what they sell? Yes are the same kind of goods stolen? Yope The level of shoplifting is it calculated in how many items stolen? Yes or the monetary value? No Crime levels in the various parts of the area relevant? No Revenge relevant? No Anything relevant with any of the shop managers? owners? No | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2007 |
~damia~: any sort os security system relevant? No or security personnel? No | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 228 Registered: 6-2007 |
is any categorization of the customers relevant? payment methods rel.? (cash, credit, etc.) is it rental? are any signs relevant? anything about the building's architecture rel.? anything about the building's location rel.? other than what was stated already? does the theft happen during hours of operation? does it sell items for recreation? collecting? business? trade? office? health? beauty aids? auto parts? tools? electronics? books? food? clothing? building materials? toys? antiques? art? music? instruments? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2007 |
sixtyeight: is any categorization of the customers relevant? No payment methods rel.? (cash, credit, etc.) No is it rental? No are any signs relevant? No anything about the building's architecture rel.? No anything about the building's location rel.? No does the theft happen during hours of operation? Yes does it sell items for recreation? Yes, in part collecting? No - though I suppose you can collect almost anything ;-) business? Yes, in part trade? No office? No health? Yes, in part beauty aids? No auto parts? No tools? No electronics? No books? No food? No clothing? Yes building materials? No toys? No antiques? No art? No music? No instruments? No | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 232 Registered: 6-2007 |
are they also robbed after hours of operation?are the items easy to steal? any proterties of the stolen items relevant? size relevant? is the staff at the shop relevant? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 7 Registered: 7-2007 |
are they also robbed after hours of operation? No are the items easy to steal? No more than usual any proterties of the stolen items relevant? Yes size relevant? Size of what - Shop? Items? Town? No, not really, and no. is the staff at the shop relevant? No | ||
| Blazingphoenix (Blazingphoenix)
New member Username: Blazingphoenix Post Number: 113 Registered: 2-2007 |
So I assume they don't advertise their merchandise outside where people can just grab and go, do they? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 11 Registered: 7-2007 |
I assume they don't advertise their merchandise outside where people can just grab and go, do they? None of the shops differ in this respect | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 606 Registered: 11-2003 |
When asked if the items are easy to steal, you answered 'no more than usual'. But are the items in the most affected shop easier to steal than in the other shops? Does any of them use any security tagging on the items? If so, relevant? The shoplifters, do they steal from this shop, because they prefer it for some reason? Or because they want the shop or shop owner to suffer? If former, is it because of location? is there something about the surrounding area we need to discover? | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 330 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is this a sports shop? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 13 Registered: 7-2007 |
are the items in the most affected shop easier to steal than in the other shops? No Does any of them use any security tagging on the items? If so, relevant? Irrelevant The shoplifters, do they steal from this shop, because they prefer it for some reason? Sort of - they do target it more than the others deliberately. Or because they want the shop or shop owner to suffer? No If former, is it because of location? No is there something about the surrounding area we need to discover? No ==== Is this a sports shop? No | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 251 Registered: 6-2007 |
does the relevant factor for the excess shoplifting exist in the shop? outside the shop? is there more than one relevant factor? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1336 Registered: 8-2006 |
Shoe store? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 27 Registered: 7-2007 |
does the relevant factor for the excess shoplifting exist in the shop? outside the shop? Irrelevant is there more than one relevant factor? No Shoe store? Yes | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 509 Registered: 4-2007 |
are the shoes stolen easily because people can slip them on their feet to try them on and just walk out with them? does this store experience more shoplifting because of the fact that a lot of people covet shoes? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 263 Registered: 6-2007 |
are shoes the items which are being stolen? are the customers barefoot? are the thieves barefoot? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 29 Registered: 7-2007 |
are the shoes stolen easily because people can slip them on their feet to try them on and just walk out with them? No does this store experience more shoplifting because of the fact that a lot of people covet shoes? No are shoes the items which are being stolen? Yes are the customers barefoot? No are the thieves barefoot? No | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 607 Registered: 11-2003 |
Are there any difference in the type of shoes this shoe shop sells compared to the other shops in the area? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 275 Registered: 6-2007 |
is the store subject to mre shoplifting because it is a shoe store? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1346 Registered: 8-2006 |
OK, I am out now. I ROT13 Alex's text after I posted. I know this one | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 35 Registered: 7-2007 |
Are there any difference in the type of shoes this shoe shop sells compared to the other shops in the area? No is the store subject to mre shoplifting because it is a shoe store? Yes. In that if it wasn't a shoe shop, it probably wouldn't have the same problems with theft. | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 289 Registered: 6-2007 |
If there were another shoe store nearby, would that store have the same problem? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 36 Registered: 7-2007 |
If there were another shoe store nearby, would that store have the same problem? There's no "if" about it - see very first answer in the thread - so No. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 608 Registered: 11-2003 |
If one of the other 9 shoe shops move right next door to this shop, would it then maintain it's level of shoplifting? increase it? If the shop changed the type of shoes they sell, would it still have the same problem with shoplifting? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 37 Registered: 7-2007 |
If one of the other 9 shoe shops move right next door to this shop, would it then maintain it's level of shoplifting? increase it? No change for either shop in this scenario, since they're all close together already. If the shop changed the type of shoes they sell, would it still have the same problem with shoplifting? Yes - the level of theft might change a bit depending on what they stocked instead, but the basic problem would still exist - they would still be robbed more than the rest. | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 841 Registered: 9-2003 |
is it to do with how they store the shoes? how they stock them behind the scenes? do they put both shoes in a pair on the shelves? or only 1 of each pair? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 38 Registered: 7-2007 |
is it to do with how they store the shoes? Depends what you mean by "store". Store = stock-room-behind-the-scenes: No. Store = display: Yes. how they stock them behind the scenes? No do they put both shoes in a pair on the shelves? Not always or only 1 of each pair? Sometimes | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 842 Registered: 9-2003 |
is it one of those shops where it has a display of one pair of shoes, then boxes containing the same shoes in different sizes? or do you have to ask the assistant for a new pair? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 311 Registered: 6-2007 |
are the shoes used? new? shoes for adults? casual wear? sport? dress? men's? women's? specialty? do thieves put them on and leave? take them in the shoebox? any relevant signs? instructions? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 43 Registered: 7-2007 |
is it one of those shops where it has a display of one pair of shoes, then boxes containing the same shoes in different sizes? or do you have to ask the assistant for a new pair? The answer to what I think you're asking is that most of the stock is in the storeroom, and if you like the look of the shoes on display, and want to try a pair on, then you need to ask the assistant. ==== are the shoes used? As in second-hand? No. new? Yes shoes for adults? Some but not all casual wear? Some but not all sport? Some but not all dress? Some but not all men's? Some but not all women's? Some but not all specialty? Some but not all (in other words, it sells a normal range of shoes, no need to delve further here.) do thieves put them on and leave? No take them in the shoebox? No any relevant signs? No instructions? No | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 609 Registered: 11-2003 |
Do the thieves ask to try the shoes on and get the shop assistant to fetch it for them? Or steal them from the store room? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 45 Registered: 7-2007 |
Do the thieves ask to try the shoes on and get the shop assistant to fetch it for them? No Or steal them from the store room? No | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 386 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the reason why one shop suffers more from shoplifting a characteristic of the particular type of shoplifters? an opportunity presented to them by the shop? a motive they have for targeting this particular shop? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 610 Registered: 11-2003 |
Are the stolen shoes on display in the shop? or right outside the shop? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 46 Registered: 7-2007 |
Is the reason why one shop suffers more from shoplifting a characteristic of: the particular type of shoplifters? No an opportunity presented to them by the shop? Yes, in a way a motive they have for targeting this particular shop? Yes - the motive is the opportunity above Are the stolen shoes on display in the shop? Most are inside right outside the shop? Some are outside. Most of the thefts are from the ones outside. | ||
| Blazingphoenix (Blazingphoenix)
New member Username: Blazingphoenix Post Number: 131 Registered: 2-2007 |
Right, I thought they might have stuff outside. So, they show you the left shoe outside, but inside, they display the right shoe? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 49 Registered: 7-2007 |
Right, I thought they might have stuff outside. So, they show you the left shoe outside, but inside, they display the right shoe? No. Like many shoe shops in the UK, they show pairs of shoes inside, but single shoes outside. I don't know which shop you were talking about when you said "they", but this rule is the same for all ten shops. | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 537 Registered: 4-2007 |
I am not sure if anyone has asked questions about the other shoe stores but...do the other shoe stores have their shoes displayed? could the other shoe stores have visual displays of the shoes and not the shoes themselves (via catalogues, computers)? you said "yope" regarding type of goods stolen--does this mean that they all sell different type of shoes? are the other 9 stores specialty shops and only sell one type of shoe, whereas the shop that is stolen from more sells a variety of shoes? could the other 9 shops be seasonal shops and sell for/during a particular season)? does the shoe store that is stolen from more sell a better quality of shoes than the other nine? are the other nine shops open for business or closed for business? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 324 Registered: 6-2007 |
do thieves.. know something about this shop before entering? know nothing about this shoe store but learn something relevant after entering? walk in the front door of the shop? see shoes on display? try shoes on? find shoes they want to steal? carry the shoes out the same door they entered without paying? anything relevant after the thief walks out of the store? any relevant interaction with sales people? relevant how many shoes each thief steals? do they steal them in pairs? relevant whether the thieves act alone or in pairs? groups? relevant the the shop does not do anything to be more like the other shoe stores? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 51 Registered: 7-2007 |
I am not sure if anyone has asked questions about the other shoe stores but...do the other shoe stores have their shoes displayed? Yes could the other shoe stores have visual displays of the shoes and not the shoes themselves (via catalogues, computers)? No you said "yope" regarding type of goods stolen--does this mean that they all sell different type of shoes? No are the other 9 stores specialty shops and only sell one type of shoe, whereas the shop that is stolen from more sells a variety of shoes? No could the other 9 shops be seasonal shops and sell for/during a particular season)? No does the shoe store that is stolen from more sell a better quality of shoes than the other nine? No are the other nine shops open for business or closed for business? All open for business for the same hours as each other. Lots of "no"s, but you're asking good questions. ==== do thieves.. know something about this shop before entering? FA know nothing about this shoe store but learn something relevant after entering? FA walk in the front door of the shop? No see shoes on display? Yes try shoes on? No find shoes they want to steal? Yes carry the shoes out the same door they entered without paying? FA anything relevant after the thief walks out of the store? FA any relevant interaction with sales people? None relevant how many shoes each thief steals? No do they steal them in pairs? No relevant whether the thieves act alone or in pairs? groups? Not relevant relevant the the shop does not do anything to be more like the other shoe stores? Not sure how to answer this one, can you rephrase it? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 540 Registered: 4-2007 |
is the shoe shop somehow situated in a place where it is easier to get in and out of quickly? is this shop the first shop in the row of ten? since all are shoe shops and sell the same types of shoes, I would assume that if someone wanted shoes, they would go to the first place they saw? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 53 Registered: 7-2007 |
is the shoe shop somehow situated in a place where it is easier to get in and out of quickly? No - and irrelevant anyway is this shop the first shop in the row of ten? since all are shoe shops and sell the same types of shoes, I would assume that if someone wanted shoes, they would go to the first place they saw? No ==== Oops, and slight blooper here: looking back at this: Are the stolen shoes on display in the shop? Most are inside right outside the shop? Some are outside. Most of the thefts are from the ones outside. This last bit should say All of the thefts are from the ones outside. I was going for most, but changed it to all to make the other answers clearer later on, sorry | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 335 Registered: 6-2007 |
do thieves.. know something about this shop before arriving? know nothing special about this shoe store but learn something relevant after arriving? is anything relevant aabout the inside of the shop? is there an inside? is a sidewalk relevant? do thieves walk up to the display outside the shop? and shoes are not displayed in pairs? a thief might take a single shoe from the display? then walk away? run? Is it difficult to notice that the shoes are being lifted? difficult for a significant person? group? is the name of the store relevant? if it were possible to relocate this shoe store to the site of a local store ...say.."Sheila's Shoes" for example, and move Sheila's Shoes to the site in this puzzle.. would the rate of theft change as a direct result? and how about the theft rate at Sheila's Shoes? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 336 Registered: 6-2007 |
is proximity to a road relevant? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 54 Registered: 7-2007 |
do thieves.. know something about this shop before arriving? Most of them know nothing special about this shoe store but learn something relevant after arriving? A few of them is anything relevant aabout the inside of the shop? No is there an inside? Yes: See previous answer which may be of help: Right, I thought they might have stuff outside. So, they show you the left shoe outside, but inside, they display the right shoe? No. Like many shoe shops in the UK, they show pairs of shoes inside, but single shoes outside. I don't know which shop you were talking about when you said "they", but this rule is the same for all ten shops. is a sidewalk relevant? No do thieves walk up to the display outside the shop? Yes (I'm assuming all these questions are about the shop with the highest rate of theft) and shoes are not displayed in pairs? Not outside, but inside, yes - see long answer reproduced above. a thief might take a single shoe from the display? Yes then walk away? run? Depends on the thief - ie irrelevant. Is it difficult to notice that the shoes are being lifted? No more or less so than for any shop difficult for a significant person? No group? No is the name of the store relevant? No if it were possible to relocate this shoe store to the site of a local store ...say.."Sheila's Shoes" for example, and move Sheila's Shoes to the site in this puzzle.. would the rate of theft change as a direct result? and how about the theft rate at Sheila's Shoes? Both stores would continue to experience the same rate of theft - Shiela's Shoes would continue to have far less than the frequently-robbed shop in question. ==== is proximity to a road relevant? No I can feel you getting closer with the last three rounds of Qs and As... :-) | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1536 Registered: 2-2005 |
Can I join in, albeit a bit late? Is any sign relevant? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 611 Registered: 11-2003 |
The single shoes they are displaying outside, are they always the same side shoe, ie always right or left? Relevant what they do with the remaining sngle shoe? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 56 Registered: 7-2007 |
Can I join in, albeit a bit late? Yes Is any sign relevant? No ==== The single shoes they are displaying outside, are they always the same side shoe, ie always right or left? Please rephrase - who do you mean by "they"? - the most-stolen-from shop? All shops? Shiela's Shoes? ;-) Relevant what they do with the remaining sngle shoe? No | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 544 Registered: 4-2007 |
do they happen to always take one shoe from the most stolen shop and find its matching mate at one of the other shops? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 57 Registered: 7-2007 |
do they happen to always take one shoe from the most stolen shop and find its matching mate at one of the other shops? Yes - but for the solution, why do they always take one shoe from this particular shop? | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 415 Registered: 4-2007 |
For every complete pair stolen, does one shoe come from one store only, and the other from any one of the remaining 9? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 853 Registered: 9-2003 |
does this store only display right shoes, but all the others show left? or the other way round? | ||
| Psymann (Psymann)
New member Username: Psymann Post Number: 58 Registered: 7-2007 |
-----SPOILER----- Sorry for slow reply for the end, I was away from home :-) For every complete pair stolen, does one shoe come from one store only, and the other from any one of the remaining 9? Yes does this store only display right shoes, but all the others show left? or the other way round? Exactly so. The ROT-13 bit written by Alex319 at the start sums it up neatly: The stores sell shoes. Nine of them display left shoes in the window [actually, outside the shop in this case], the other displays right shoes. Shoplifters steal the left shoes from one of the first nine shops and then go to the tenth shop to steal the right shoe to complete the pair. |
