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Alex319 (Alex319)
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8732 turned out to be an easier number to use.
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is that a pin number? safe number?

any crimes? 1 person involved? 2? 3? 4? 5? are they all h? a? m?
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was the number easier to use because it was easier to remember? was it a date? have anything to do with math? addition? subtraction?
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is a PC involved?

when you use the # ..
do you enter the # on a keypad?
apply the # with your voice?
dial the number on a phone?

is it a quantity?
is it any form of address? code for locating something? any kind of code? language?
is the number used by a professional?
is the number used by an individual?
relevant occupation?
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Did a company have to change name so its initials would map into 8732 on the phone keypad?

Was it easier to use because
it is shorter and therefore easy to remember?
it maps into a word? an abbreviation?
the two outer digits and the two inner digits both add up to 10?
it rhymes with something?
with some imagination one could say that 87 and 32 both look like BZ?
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is that a pin number? safe number? Neither
any crimes? A crime was not committed, but... 1 person involved? Yes 2? 3? 4? 5? are they all h? a? m? Yes
is a PC involved? No

when you use the # ..
do you enter the # on a keypad?
apply the # with your voice?
dial the number on a phone?
None of the above

is it a quantity? No
is it any form of address? code for locating something? any kind of code? Yesish language?
is the number used by a professional? No
is the number used by an individual? Yes
relevant occupation? No
Did a company have to change name so its initials would map into 8732 on the phone keypad?

Was it easier to use because
it is shorter and therefore easy to remember?
it maps into a word? an abbreviation?
the two outer digits and the two inner digits both add up to 10? This one
it rhymes with something?
with some imagination one could say that 87 and 32 both look like BZ?
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(These questions are in Computerese.)

CRC?
Parity checking?

Is the "easy" number ever written down? in decimal? binary? octal? hex? using Roman numerals? letters? symbols?

Was the "harder" code a number? longer? shorter? in decimal?
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CRC? No
Parity checking? No

Is the "easy" number ever written down? Noish-yope in decimal? This one binary? octal? hex? using Roman numerals? letters? symbols?

Was the "harder" code a number? Yes longer? No shorter? No in decimal? Yes
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I think you forgot my questions yesterday...was the number easier to use because it was easier to remember? was it a date? have anything to do with math? addition? subtraction?

Thanks! (Though I know you've answered some of these based on other people's questions)
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I think you forgot my questions yesterday...was the number easier to use because it was easier to remember? was it a date? have anything to do with math? addition? subtraction?

No to all
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could the number be translatd into relevant text?
is the number set in eeprom? something like it?
could the number be changed to 1469?
if some number was found to be easier than "8732", could it be changed to that?
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could the number be translatd into relevant text? I don't think so, maybe rephrase
is the number set in eeprom? No something like it? Yes
could the number be changed to 1469? Yes
if some number was found to be easier than "8732", could it be changed to that? Yes
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Is it an arrangement of electronic elements?
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Is 8732 easier to use because of the proximity of numbers on a telephone? On a keyboard NUM pad?
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Is it an arrangement of electronic elements? No
Is 8732 easier to use because of the proximity of numbers on a telephone? On a keyboard NUM pad? No
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could the number be translated into relevant something? transcoded?
when you change the number, do you need to use your hands? is it possible without hands? are buttons pushed? a dial?
is any kind of frequency involved?
is any kind of security involved?
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could the number be translated into relevant something? transcoded? It's just a number
when you change the number, do you need to use your hands? Yes is it possible without hands? Possibly, but extremely difficult and not very useful are buttons pushed? No a dial? Yes - more than one dial in fact
is any kind of frequency involved? No
is any kind of security involved? Yes
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is the number part of a combination for a lock? locker? safe? a security device for something?
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is the number part of a combination for a lock? Yes locker? safe? a security device for something? It's the combination for a lock.
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There is more than one dial. Are there 2 dials? 4 dials?
the combination for the lock must have 4 digits? Is 4 digits the only number of digits possible? (one digit per dial)
the sum of the digits must be 20?
If so, the fact that the first two digits are 8 and 7 means that the last two must be 3 and 2? is his age 87? born in 1987?
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There is more than one dial. Are there 2 dials? 4 dials? 4 dials
the combination for the lock must have 4 digits? Is 4 digits the only number of digits possible? (one digit per dial) Yes
the sum of the digits must be 20? Already answered - the relevant fact is that the outer digits sum to 10 as well as the inner digits. Numbers where this property didn't hold could still be used, but they would be more difficult.
If so, the fact that the first two digits are 8 and 7 means that the last two must be 3 and 2? No is his age 87? born in 1987? Irrelevant
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is the lock attached to/ preventing entry into something relevent? should we explore why the person needed to open the lock?

The number was easier to use - does this mean faster? more efficient? simpler? easier due to some attibute of the person using the number?
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grrr, can't edit. sorry, my above post missed one question: is 8732 an easier number? or easier to use?
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Can the dials rotate both clockwise/counterclockwise ? If so, you can use only 2 digit to open the lock and, starting from a 0000 configuration, you can do something like this:

- Grab the outer dials
- Rotate 2 steps (backward the former, forward the latter)
- Grab the inner dials
- Rotate 3 steps, same way

And the final configuration is 8732

I got it ?
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is the lock attached to/ preventing entry into something relevent? Yes should we explore why the person needed to open the lock? It might help but not necessary

The number was easier to use - does this mean faster? Yes more efficient? Yes simpler? Yes easier due to some attibute of the person using the number? No

sorry, my above post missed one question: is 8732 an easier number? or easier to use? Easier to use

Can the dials rotate both clockwise/counterclockwise ? If so, you can use only 2 digit to open the lock and, starting from a 0000 configuration, you can do something like this:

- Grab the outer dials
- Rotate 2 steps (backward the former, forward the latter)
- Grab the inner dials
- Rotate 3 steps, same way

And the final configuration is 8732

I got it ? This is very close. You have the right idea but you still need to figure out why that makes it easier. Remembering two numbers instead of four is not the issue
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I'wasn't concerned about remembering two numbers instead of four...I thought the combination is easier to use because you can rotate AT THE SAME TIME the outer dials (in opposite senses), and you can do the same thing with the inner...so you need half the time to open the lock
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I'wasn't concerned about remembering two numbers instead of four...I thought the combination is easier to use because you can rotate AT THE SAME TIME the outer dials (in opposite senses), and you can do the same thing with the inner...so you need half the time to open the lock

No, this is not it.
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are the dials connected?
movement of one affects the others?

Are the dials all the usual ten setting dials (0-9)?

would 8732 be easier no matter how the dials were configured prior to unlocking the lock? or only in this particular instance?

Is there only one code at any one time for the lock?
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are the dials connected? No, other than all being on the same lock
movement of one affects the others? No

Are the dials all the usual ten setting dials (0-9)? Yes

would 8732 be easier no matter how the dials were configured prior to unlocking the lock? Yes or only in this particular instance?

Is there only one code at any one time for the lock? Yes
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other than the 2 pairs numbers which each add up to ten, is there anything else relevant that makes the number easier to remember?
are there numerical attributes to what the lock is protecting? quantity? address? location? date?
is the number 10 relevant beyond what we know of the combination?
is there another relevant number?
if the lock had only 2 digits, would setting the combination to 82 be easier?
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other than the 2 pairs numbers which each add up to ten, is there anything else relevant that makes the number easier to remember? Remembering the number is not the issue
are there numerical attributes to what the lock is protecting? No quantity? address? location? date?
is the number 10 relevant beyond what we know of the combination? It's only relevant because it's the number of digits on the dial
is there another relevant number? No
if the lock had only 2 digits, would setting the combination to 82 be easier? Yes
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easier to set the combination? easier to dial the combination on the closed lock? easier to open the lock?
are there 4 dials? 1 for each digit? anything relevant about the user of the lock?
are other locks relevant?
did the one who found it easier intend to break the law? steal?
is more than 1 person relevant?
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easier to set the combination? No easier to dial the combination on the closed lock? Yes easier to open the lock? See previous answer
are there 4 dials? Yes 1 for each digit? Yes anything relevant about the user of the lock? No
are other locks relevant? No
did the one who found it easier intend to break the law? steal? No
is more than 1 person relevant? No
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do we need to know more about the lock?
is it a padlock? a lock that is integrated into something?
the dials are turned by hand?
one hand? left hand? right hand? both?
are they dialed in this sequence...8,7,3,2?
anything particularly relevant after you dial?
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do we need to know more about the lock? <b>You already know enough about the lock to solve the puzzle, although figuring out exactly where it is used might give a clue</v>
is it a padlock? No a lock that is integrated into something? Not sure what you mean by this
the dials are turned by hand? Yes
one hand? left hand? right hand? both? Irrelevant
are they dialed in this sequence...8,7,3,2? Yes
anything particularly relevant after you dial? No
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long shot: If you take your lock (going left to right) and rotated the dial backward (0-1-2 etc) you would click 8x/7x/3x/2x to get the number 8732.

And if you took your lock (going right to left) and rotated the dial backward (0-9-8 etc) you would click 8x/7x/3x/2x and still get the number 8732.

Anything along these lines?
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Is the lock used in a bank? In a home? In a public place? By an individual? By a company? By the government? Any of this relevant?
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long shot: If you take your lock (going left to right) and rotated the dial backward (0-1-2 etc) you would click 8x/7x/3x/2x to get the number 8732.

And if you took your lock (going right to left) and rotated the dial backward (0-9-8 etc) you would click 8x/7x/3x/2x and still get the number 8732.

Anything along these lines?



SPOILER:

Yes, this is exactly correct! It was a bike lock, and the numbers had been partially worn off which makes them hard to see in the dark, but there is a raised dot on the zero so you can feel it. So that way I can open it on the first try without having to guess whether I'm holding it right side up or upside down.

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