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Suido (Suido)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 4:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His hand moved slowest, causing his arm to move fast.
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his = his?

any other people involved? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5?

is everyone h? a? m?

any relevant jobs? any crime?
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his = his?
YES

any other people involved? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5?
3

is everyone h? a? m?
YES

any relevant jobs? any crime?
NO
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are they playing a game? cards? poker?
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forgot to ask--hand as in his physical "hand"? or along the cards line, is it a hand of cards?
arm as in his physical arm?
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BOOKLOVER

are they playing a game? YES
cards? poker? NO

forgot to ask--hand as in his physical "hand"? YES
or along the cards line, is it a hand of cards? NO
arm as in his physical arm? YES
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Are they doing a kind of sport? gymnastics? on a horizontal bar?
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Was the slowest-moving-hand attached to the end of the fastest-moving-arm?
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TOBASI

Are they doing a kind of sport? gymnastics? on a horizontal bar? NO TO ALL

BODO

Was the slowest-moving-hand attached to the end of the fastest-moving-arm? YES
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Tobasi, as an ex-gymnast, I've racking my brains as to how a slowest moving hand would cause an arm to move fast whilst on a bar, but can't think of anything... did you have a reason behind the longshot?
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Well, I was thinking that you keep your hands mostly at the horizontal bar so they barely move. The arms however are a bit farer away from the rotation axis so they move faster:
speed = distance_from_rotation_axis * constant_angular_speed
By the way, the feet move still faster. Just a physicians view on gymnastics.


Is it a parlour game? A game you would typically play indoors? outdoors?
Does it require any objects?
Is the game played all over the world? in particular regions?
Is it played mostly by children? adults?
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The slow hand attached to the fast arm. Are speeds relative to each other or to another reference, i.e is the arm moving fast relative to the hand?

Extending Tobasi physics, does some other part of the body move faster still?
Is the whole arm moving fast? the forearm? elbow? upperarm?

Is he playing twister, and his centre of gravity moves beyond that of his hand and consequently he loses his balance; he tries to move his arm to counter, but underestimates the frictional coefficient and maximum frictional resistance between his hand and the surface?
Consequently his hand doesn't move, but the rest of him does, especially his arm...
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were the slow movement of hand and fast movement of arm simultaneous movements?
were they sequential movements?
was there something relevant in between the hand and arm movement?
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is the title important? was he the last person to laugh? to get a joke?

was the slow hand trying to cover up his mouth in a laugh?
was his arm moving to block something? somebody?

did he hit his funny bone by any chance?

was this a group game? were two teams playing against each other? or was he playing against one other person?
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TOBASI

Well, I was thinking that you keep your hands mostly at the horizontal bar so they barely move. The arms however are a bit farer away from the rotation axis so they move faster:
speed = distance_from_rotation_axis * constant_angular_speed
By the way, the feet move still faster. Just a physicians view on gymnastics.
You're right, of course, I was merely thinking from the gymnasts view, knowing that the hands moves at different speeds during different parts of the swing, and no part of the body has constant angular speed due body position changing in order to tap(kick) which keeps one swinging. At some points of a swing, as you said, the hands barely move, at others, they snap round the bar very fast indeed, and get ahead of the arms, which was the part of the swing i was thinking about. AND NOW, TO THE POINTY END OF YOUR POST


Is it a parlour game? NO
A game you would typically play indoors? YES
outdoors? NO
Does it require any objects? YES
Is the game played all over the world? COULD BE
in particular regions? NO
Is it played mostly by children? POSSIBLY
adults? PROBABLY

ZENITH

The slow hand attached to the fast arm. Are speeds relative to each other CLARIFY PLEASE or to another reference, YES i.e is the arm moving fast relative to the hand? YES

Extending Tobasi physics, does some other part of the body move faster still? NO
Is the whole arm moving fast? NO the forearm? YOPE elbow?YOPE upperarm? NO

Is he playing twister, NO and his centre of gravity moves beyond that of his hand and consequently he loses his balance; he tries to move his arm to counter, but underestimates the frictional coefficient and maximum frictional resistance between his hand and the surface?
Consequently his hand doesn't move, but the rest of him does, especially his arm...... SO NO

SIXTYEIGHT

were the slow movement of hand and fast movement of arm simultaneous movements? YESish
were they sequential movements? NOish
was there something relevant in between the hand and arm movement? NO

BOOKLOVER

is the title important? NO, it is connected in my mind, but is largely irrelevent was he the last person to laugh? PROBABLY, BUT IRR to get a joke? NO
was the slow hand trying to cover up his mouth in a laugh? NO
was his arm moving to block something? NOsomebody? NO

did he hit his funny bone by any chance? NO

was this a group game? YES
were two teams playing against each other? NO
or was he playing against one other person? NO
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Were they playing a party sort of game such as Pinning the tail on the donkey? does the game involve a blindfold? Is the time of year relevant to the game they were playing e.g Halloween? Christmas? Easter? other?
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Peter365

Were they playing a party sort of game such as Pinning the tail on the donkey?NO does the game involve a blindfold?NO Is the time of year relevant to the game they were playingNO e.g Halloween? Christmas? Easter? other? ALL IRR
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is right hand relevant?
or left hand?
were the three other people making the same motion with their hand? arm?
was his hand holding anything?
gripping anything?
touching anything?
contacting another person?
was the hand in a fist?
stretched out flat?
all fingers together?
any fingers apart?
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SIXTYEIGHT

is right hand relevant? IRR
or left hand? IRR, THE HAND WOULD BE HIS PREFERRED HAND
were the three other people making the same motion with their hand?YES arm?NO
was his hand holding anything? YES
gripping anything? YES
touching anything? YES
contacting another person? NO
was the hand in a fist? SEE ABOVE
stretched out flat? NO
all fingers together? PROBABLY
any fingers apart?PROBABLY NOT
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Was the thing he was holding made of:
metal? wood? paper? cardboard? glass? stone? concrete? tissue? organic material? plastic? rubber?
Was it heavier than 1g? 10g? 100g? 1kg? 10kg? 100kg?
Was he holding it free in the air? or was it anyhow connected to the floor?
Where there more objects of this kind involved in the game? different objects?
Did he throw the thing? catch it?
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Was the thing he was holding made of:
metal?YES wood? NO paper? NO cardboard? NO glass? NO stone? NO concrete? NO tissue?NO organic material? NO plastic?YES rubber?NO
Was it heavier than 1g?YES 10g?YES 100g?PROBABLY NOT 1kg?NO 10kg?NO 100kg? NO
Was he holding it free in the air?YESish or was it anyhow connected to the floor? NO
Where there more objects of this kind involved in the game?YES different objects? NO
Did he throw the thing?NO catch it?NO
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Was the object he was holding connected to the wall? to the ceiling?
Was he holding it below his waist? above his waist? above his head?
Was his arm angled? stretched?
Did he train his dexterity in playing this game?
Is the colour of the object he was holding relevant? the shape? round? block-shaped?
Was it an object you only use for this game?
Did it have any moving parts?
How long did he hold the object: seconds? minutes? hours? longer?
Did the other people hold objects like this as well?
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Was the object he was holding connected to the wall? to the ceiling? NO TO BOTH
Was he holding it below his waist? above his waist? above his head?
Was his arm angled? stretched? HE WOULD HAVE BEEN HOLDING IT AT A COMFORTABLE HEIGHT, AND IN A COMFORTABLE MANNER, AROUND WAIST LEVEL WOULD BE PROBABLY RIGHT. ARM POSITION WOULD BE SIMILARLY CHOSEN. DIFFERENT PEOPLE MAY HOLD THE OBJECT AT DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AND IN DIFFERENT MANNERS
Did he train his dexterity in playing this game?NO
Is the colour of the object he was holding relevant? NO the shape?YOPE round?NO block-shaped? NO
Was it an object you only use for this game? YES
Did it have any moving parts? YES
How long did he hold the object: seconds? YES minutes? PROBABLY hours? NO longer?NO
Did the other people hold objects like this as well?YES
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Is he winding something up?
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were they performing some sort of martial arts? karate? judo? jujitsu? tae kwon do?

was the object a set of numchuks?

was one of the objects of the game to hit someone? to try not to get hit?

is it a game that tests reflexes?

did he want his hand to move slowly? did he want his arm to move quickly?
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Was he standing? walking? sitting? lying?
Were the other three touching him?
Did they play two against two? one against three? each against the others?
Did he pick the object up from somewhere? put it down somewhere? take it from someone else? hand it to someone else?
Was the object a toy? does it require electricity?
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were they performing some sort of martial arts? karate? judo? jujitsu? tae kwon do? no to all

was the object a set of numchuks? no

was one of the objects of the game to hit someone? to try not to get hit? no to all

is it a game that tests reflexes? YES

did he want his hand to move slowly?no did he want his arm to move quickly?no

Was he standing? walking? sitting? lying? sitting
Were the other three touching him? no
Did they play two against two?no one against three?no each against the others?YES
Did he pick the object up from somewhere?
take it from someone else? prior to the scenario, he would have picked the object up or taken it/had it handed to him, this is IRR
hand it to someone else? no
put it down somewhere?YES
Was the object a toy? no does it require electricity?YES
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is it the game operation?
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is it the game operation?no

Damia, did you get your user name from the character in the Tower and the Hive series? methinks her psychic skills would make these puzzles a little to easy
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Did he put the object on the table? on the floor?
Were they sitting around a table?
Was the aim of the game to do something as long as you can? as often you can?
Did the object have a pile? a power cable?
Did the object produce sound? light?
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yes I did!! I love those books!!! some telepathy would sure be useful about now :o)

is a tv used with the game? a tape? do you have to push buttons for this game? is it one of those you have to press the buttons that light up in the correct order? or one where you have to press a button as fast as you can when it lights up? or hit something with a little hammer thing as fast as you can?
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simon the memory game? this might be the game damia is thinking of

could it be the game--think it's called "bop it"-- where players respond to audio clues--"push it" "pull it" "bop it" etc. I think there is one game where it tells you to "pass it" to another person...is it this?
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Is it the game that gives an electric shock to the last person to push a button? So his arm moved fast as he was being shocked?
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Did he put the object on the table? on the floor?
Were they sitting around a table? probably, and i'll say yes to putting it down on the table if they are sitting around one
Was the aim of the game to do something as long as you can?no as often you can?no
Did the object have a pile?pile? a power cable?noish
Did the object produce sound?no light? no
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yes I did!! I love those books!!! some telepathy would sure be useful about now :o)
yeah, i'm a big fan too, but i think enjay's the one with the telepathy...

is a tv used with the game?no a tape?no do you have to push buttons for this game?yes is it one of those you have to press the buttons that light up in the correct order?no or one where you have to press a button as fast as you can when it lights up?no or hit something with a little hammer thing as fast as you can? no
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simon the memory game?no this might be the game damia is thinking of

could it be the game--think it's called "bop it"-- where players respond to audio clues--"push it" "pull it" "bop it" etc. I think there is one game where it tells you to "pass it" to another person...is it this? no
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Is it the game that gives an electric shock to the last person to push a button? So his arm moved fast as he was being shocked?
YES, and SPOILER. the game involves a central device run on batteries, connected via wires to four handheld devices with a single button.
When the game is started the central device starts flashing lights and making sounds. when this stops, you must push the button. Last person to push the button gets an electric shock, and if anyone pushes their button too early, they receive the shock.
I had a little difficulty with the questions about whether the actions were simultaneous or sequential, but i hope this (my first puzzle) was enjoyable!

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