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Because I decided to save some money, I sometimes have to keep the window closed - even in summer.
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Is the window to a car?
a building?
a residence?
on a computer?
a display case?


Do you close the window because of...
an intruder?
a living person or thing going through the window?
an odor?
a sound?
smoke?
particulate matter?
a person?
to prevent something from entering?
to prevent something from exiting?


if building..relevant what kind of building? what kind of room? the window is in?
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Is the window to a car?
a building? This
a residence? This
on a computer?
a display case?


Do you close the window because of...
an intruder?
a living person or thing going through the window?
an odor?
a sound? This
smoke?
particulate matter?
a person?
to prevent something from entering?
to prevent something from exiting?


if building..relevant what kind of building? Yes what kind of room? Yesish the window is in?
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is an inside or outside relevant?
were you trying to prevent sound waves from coming in from the outside?
were you on the inside?
relevant what the sound source was?
traffic?
a person? a voice/voices? machine? wildlife? gunfire?

the building..
apartment building?
house?
hostel?
hotel?
office complex?

the room..
bedroom? living room? office? studio? study? library?

does the situation last less thatn one day? more?
more than ..1 week? ..1 month? ..6 months?
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if money was not an issue, would you always have the window open?
sometimes?
is this relevant?

I'm assuming you are more likely to have the window open in summer. Correct?
is this purely for temperature reasons?
or are there any other relevant reasons why summer is different?

are there times now when you open the window?

is sound interference a problem?
decibel level of some thing(s) relevant?

Are you saving money on bills?
other necessary household expenses?
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Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 11:48 pm:
is an inside or outside relevant? Yes
were you trying to prevent sound waves from coming in from the outside? Yes
were you on the inside? Yes
relevant what the sound source was? Yes
traffic?
a person? a voice/voices? This machine? wildlife? gunfire?

the building..
apartment building? This
house? And This...It's a house with apartments in it. But this is only relevant up to the point that we are talking about my home.
hostel?
hotel?
office complex?

the room..
bedroom? living room? This office? studio? study? library?

does the situation last less thatn one day? This more?
more than ..1 week? ..1 month? ..6 months?

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Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 8:25 am:

if money was not an issue, would you always have the window open? No! I would freeze to death here...
sometimes? Yes
is this relevant? Not really

I'm assuming you are more likely to have the window open in summer. Correct?
is this purely for temperature reasons?
or are there any other relevant reasons why summer is different?
I just added the "summer" bit to take away the obvious answer "to reduce heating costs" - otherwise seasons are irrelevant.

are there times now when you open the window? Yes

is sound interference a problem? No
decibel level of some thing(s) relevant?
Yes, if you just mean the volume of some noise. No for any acoustic/technical issues

Are you saving money on bills? Yes
other necessary household expenses? Noish
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human voice/voices?
is it multiple voices?
one voice?
if one voice..is one person yelling in your window?
is it relevant whose voice/
does the owner of the voice think that you owe them money?
is someone yelling because of money?
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Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 6:08 pm:
human voice/voices? Yes
is it multiple voices? Yes
one voice? No
if one voice..is one person yelling in your window?
is it relevant whose voice/
does the owner of the voice think that you owe them money? No to both
is someone yelling because of money? No
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did you save money in terms of the location of your apartment?
relevant when it gets noisy outside?
time of day relevant?
relevant why it gets noisy outside? are there occasionally noisy events?
is it just street noise? or are the voices doing something more organized? like singing? chanting? cheering?
is there a bar oustside? sports arena?
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If you hadn't decided to save money, would you still have lived in the same place? Would the problem with the voices still have been outside your window?

The bills you save money on;
mortage?
rent?
electricity?
gas?
phone?
other
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Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 7:53 pm:

did you save money in terms of the location of your apartment? No
relevant when it gets noisy outside? Yes
time of day relevant? Noish
relevant why it gets noisy outside? are there occasionally noisy events? Yes
is it just street noise? No or are the voices doing something more organized? This like singing? chanting? cheering? This
is there a bar oustside? Yes! sports arena? No
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Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 10:04 pm:
If you hadn't decided to save money, would you still have lived in the same place? Yes Would the problem with the voices still have been outside your window? Yope

The bills you save money on;
mortage?
rent?
electricity?
gas?
phone?
other This
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The thing you save money on, is it something you pay per time you use (like clothes, drink, food)? something that you use and then later get a bill (similar to phone or credit card bill)? or something that you just pay because you have to (like county taxes or charges)
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Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2007 - 11:03 pm:

The thing you save money on, is it something you pay per time you use (like clothes, drink, food)? something that you use and then later get a bill (similar to phone or credit card bill)?
This is closest - but beware FA
or something that you just pay because you have to (like county taxes or charges)
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did you save money on a one time purchase? fee?
or was it something you regularly pay for, and now you pay a lower price?

at the bar , do they cheer for sporting events? for some kind of broadcast?
if you tried, would you be able to predict the periods of noisy events? do you do this?
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If the window is kept open, the noise enters the living room. Does this noise affect you physically? Emotionally? Does it affect only you? Does it bother you only because you have to spend more money because of it?

Are you the only inhabitant of the house? If no, then do the other people living in the house get affected as much? Are there other inhabitants in the building? Can they save money by shutting their windows?

Do you save money on medicines? Any other treatment?

Do the noises come from people you know? Is this relevant? Are the noises targetted at you?

Does it get noisy outside only when the bar opens? In the night? Only on some nights? Do you know before-hand when the noise is going to start?

Other than shutting the window, is there anything else you can possibly do to stop the noise?

Phew... That was a LOT. I'm new to this, so I'm sorry if most of the questions are irrelevant or annoying. I'm really intrigued though, and I want to know how you save the money :-)
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Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 1:39 am:
did you save money on a one time purchase? fee? No
or was it something you regularly pay for, and now you pay a lower price? Yesish

at the bar , do they cheer for sporting events? Yes for some kind of broadcast? Yes
if you tried, would you be able to predict the periods of noisy events? Yope - depends on what exactly is meant by "noisy events" do you do this? Same Yope

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Tanvishashikant (Tanvishashikant)

Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2007 - 7:01 pm:

If the window is kept open, the noise enters the living room. Does this noise affect you physically? Not that badly ;) Emotionally?
Yes, sort of Does it affect only you?
I did not hear a neighbour complain about it, but probably No Does it bother you only because you have to spend more money because of it? No

Are you the only inhabitant of the house? No If no, then do the other people living in the house get affected as much?
Not in the same way, I suppose Are there other inhabitants in the building? Yes Can they save money by shutting their windows? No

Do you save money on medicines? No Any other treatment? No

Do the noises come from people you know? No Is this relevant? No Are the noises targetted at you? No

Does it get noisy outside only when the bar opens?
Yes In the night? No Only on some nights?
No Do you know before-hand when the noise is going to start? Yope - see above, the answer depends on what is exactly meant by "the noise starts"
In these answers, "The noise" refers only to the noise which has something to do with the money. Of course there's a lot of noise from the bar, it's a bar after all, and sometimes I have to close the window just because I couldn't sleep otherwise - but this has nothing to do with this puzzle ;)

Other than shutting the window, is there anything else you can possibly do to stop the noise? No

Phew... That was a LOT. I'm new to this, so I'm sorry if most of the questions are irrelevant or annoying.
That's part of the game, I suppose ;-)
I'm really intrigued though, and I want to know how you save the money :-)
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so.. there are some relevant cheering noises and some irrelevant cheering noises coming from the bar?
is it relevant...
what sport is being played when the relevant noise is made?
what team is playing when the relevant noise is being made? (or teams ?)
is betting relevant?
season tickets? money spent on sports?
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so.. there are some relevant cheering noises and some irrelevant cheering noises coming from the bar?
Not exactly - there are relevant cheering noises and irrelevant noises of various kinds
is it relevant...
what sport is being played when the relevant noise is made? Yes
what team is playing when the relevant noise is being made? (or teams ?)
Yes - but you don't have to find out the teams to solve the puzzle...
is betting relevant? No
season tickets? No money spent on sports? No
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Baseball?
Basketball?
Football?
Other?
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Would you be tempted to spend money if you heard the "relevant cheering"?
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Baseball?
Basketball?
Football?
Other?
It's football, or soccer, depending on your country - you don't have it in the profile ;-)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 7:21 am:
Would you be tempted to spend money if you heard the "relevant cheering"? No
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So there are people in the bar watching a football match, and a majority of them cheering for a particular team (so you would know which side is winning if you could hear their screams).... Any of this FA?

Was there another way of 'not hearing' that you avoided paying for by closing the window?

Would you have broken something in anger or ecstasy at hearing the cheering, that you would have spent money on?

Are you watching the football match at the same time too? Or are you listening in on a radio?

If not, do you not want to know the outcome of the match because you can't see it while its happening?
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Do you like football? Do you like watching football matches? If yes, then do you go to the bar to see the matches sometimes?

Do the people in the bar, who are watching the match, get drunk towards the end and throw things at your building? Or act in some other manner which causes you to shut the window?

The relevant noise refers only to the cheering of the people in the bar? Or also the cumulative noise of the bar? Can you shut the window and save money if a football match isn't in progress?

Do you have a favorite football team? Do you shut your window particularly when they're playing? Does the amount of money you save depend on what teams are playing?
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Oh, and also, do some of the people from the bar touch your window? Or does any object touch your window? Or some part of your building? Or does something/someone touch you when you hear the noise? The title is relevant, I hope :-)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 7:43 pm:
So there are people in the bar watching a football match, and a majority of them cheering for a particular team (so you would know which side is winning if you could hear their screams).... Any of this FA? Yes, correct

Was there another way of 'not hearing' that you avoided paying for by closing the window?
FA, I suppose, but I don't know what you actually mean. Please rephrase.

Would you have broken something in anger or ecstasy at hearing the cheering, that you would have spent money on?
Maybe I should wait until Saturday to answer this, but normally No...

Are you watching the football match at the same time too? Yes, with a tiny ish...
Or are you listening in on a radio? Not at relevant situations.

If not, do you not want to know the outcome of the match because you can't see it while its happening? No, with an -ish.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 11:07
Do you like football?
Uhm, Yes. (Maybe I should wait until Saturday for this question as well...)
Do you like watching football matches? Same Yes If yes, then do you go to the bar to see the matches sometimes? No - and I will definitely not change my mind this Saturday :-)

Do the people in the bar, who are watching the match, get drunk towards the end and throw things at your building?
Hm, wait till Saturday? I Think I can say No here. Or act in some other manner which causes you to shut the window? Not relevant.

The relevant noise refers only to the cheering of the people in the bar? Yes Or also the cumulative noise of the bar? No Can you shut the window and save money if a football match isn't in progress? No, and FA (false assumption), I suppose.

Do you have a favorite football team? Yesish Do you shut your window particularly when they're playing? Yope Does the amount of money you save depend on what teams are playing? No, and FA again - I don't save money by closing the window.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 11:09

Oh, and also, do some of the people from the bar touch your window? No Or does any object touch your window? Or some part of your building? No Or does something/someone touch you when you hear the noise? No The title is relevant, I hope :-) You should not hope too much - there is a link to the puzzle but it may take another puzzle to work it out, maybe I will explain it later...
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Are you studying for something, or doing something at home that earns/saves you money, from which you may be distracted if the window is open, and the cheering tempts you? :-)
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Are you studying for something, or doing something at home that earns/saves you money, from which you may be distracted if the window is open, and the cheering tempts you? :-) No
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If you had decided NOT to save the money..

would you not hear the noise?
would the noise just not bother you?
would the noise make you happy?
would you be making a louder noise?
would you be someplace else at game time?

is timing of what you see on TV and the time you hear cheering relevant?
relevant how you watch the matches now?

is satellite relevant to any aspect of the puzzle? Cable tv? other forms of receiving the game in your home?

is any other sport relevant?
another diversion?

is the money saved categorized as..
cost of living?
entertainment?
communications?
maintenance?
travel?
"just for giggles"

are hearing aids relevant? earplugs?

do we need to know anything else about the games? players? teams? your connection to a team?
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 2:32 pm:
If you had decided NOT to save the money..

would you not hear the noise? No (I would still hear it, that is...)
would the noise just not bother you? Yes
would the noise make you happy? Possibly even this
would you be making a louder noise? No
would you be someplace else at game time? No

is timing of what you see on TV and the time you hear cheering relevant? Yes
relevant how you watch the matches now? Yes

is satellite relevant to any aspect of the puzzle?
No Cable tv? Yes other forms of receiving the game in your home? Yes

is any other sport relevant? No
another diversion? No

is the money saved categorized as..
cost of living?
entertainment? This
communications?
maintenance?
travel?
"just for giggles"

are hearing aids relevant? No earplugs? No

do we need to know anything else about the games? players? teams? your connection to a team?
No to these
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So..
You opted not to pay for a certain channel or broadcast from your cable provider (possibly any cable service). and as a result.. when there is a crucial play in a soccer match that you are watching (from another type of provider), you can hear the crowd at the bar, (which pays for this expensive broadcast), cheering before you see the play on your tv/monior/radio/whatever, thereby diminishing your enjoyment of a live sporting event?
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2007 - 3:35 pm:
So..
You opted not to pay for a certain channel or broadcast from your cable provider (possibly any cable service). and as a result.. when there is a crucial play in a soccer match that you are watching (from another type of provider), you can hear the crowd at the bar, (which pays for this expensive broadcast), cheering before you see the play on your tv/monior/radio/whatever, thereby diminishing your enjoyment of a live sporting event?

Ok, This should be close enough for a

*SPOILER*

When I moved to this place, my landlord informed me that one can receive most of the cable TV programs here with digital terrestrial TV (DVB-T) here instead and so one need not spend money on cable TV. Only later I found out that the broadcasting/decoding etc. of the digital signals causes a lag. So when I watch a live football(soccer) match I have to be sure that the window is closed, otherwise I would hear the people from the bar across the street cheer for goals before I see the ball even near the goal.
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now there is only the title to figure out
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I don't think the title will make a good puzzle, so I just tell the story.
The title is the key line of a German TV commercial (translated into English, of course). The only link to this puzzle is that the commercial features the manager of the "local football heroes" Schalke 04, who are ressponsible for the loudest cheers across the street.In the spot, he is told by his girlfriend not to touch a pretty giry walking by, when he replies that she should just take a look at and not touch his beer.
(After Schalke just came short of winning the championship, rival fans used to poke fun at them by attaching this phrase to a picture of the trophy...)

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