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The explanation was plausible, but dead wrong.
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Who has dead? H?M?A? Was it a murder, suicide, anything else?
Explanation: you mean oral explanation or anything else?
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Antwerpen Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:41 am:

Who has dead? H?M?A? Was it a murder, suicide, anything else? Nobody relevant to the puzzle is dead. "Dead wrong" means "quite wrong", only more so. There's idiomatic English for you.
Explanation: you mean oral explanation or anything else? Oral explanation, yes.
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is the explainer h? a? m? any other people involved? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? any crime? is the age of the explainer relevant? any professions relevant?
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~damia~ Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 9:23 am:

is the explainer h? a? m? all of these any other people involved? yes 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? more any crime? very vaguely is the age of the explainer relevant? no any professions relevant? yes
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is the job:

artistic/musical/writer?
Banking/financial/real estate?
Clerical/Administrative?
Computer related / Hardware ?
Construction / Craftsman ?
Education / Academic Research ?
Entertainment / Media ?
Executive / Management ?
Hospitality / Travel ?
Legal Services ?
Manufacturing / Distributions ?
Medical / Health Services ?
Politics / Government / Military ?
Sales / Marketing ?
Technical / Science / Engineering ?
Teaching / Child care?
Transportation ?
Food Service ?
Sports?
Entertainment?
Jailbird / Criminal?
Religion?

is it his job? one of the other peoples job? all of their jobs? does it matter how many other people there are? less than 10? are they just like a group? or do any individuals have relevance?
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~damia~ Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 11:52 am:

is the job:

Education / Academic Research ? yesish
Teaching / Child care? yes

is it his job? yes one of the other peoples job? no all of their jobs? no does it matter how many other people there are? not exactly less than 10? no are they just like a group? yesish or do any individuals have relevance? well, one does
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is he a teacher? are the others his students? was the explanation part of a lesson? did he make it up? or did he think it was true? is the taught subject relevant? history? geography? a language?
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~damia~ Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 2:38 pm:

is he a teacher? yes are the others his students? yes was the explanation part of a lesson? yes did he make it up? probably not or did he think it was true? probably is the taught subject relevant? yes history? yope geography? very farfetchedly a language? yes
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english? german? french? spanish?
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was it a standard lesson he was teaching?
an answer to a student's question?
would his wrong explanation be found in a text book?
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There's so many plausible but dead wrong things that get regularly taught in schools it's hard to know where to start....

was the explanation the etymology of a word or phrase? e.g. "port out starboard home" for posh?
Was the wrong explanation wrong in some interesting way - like it was the exact opposite of right? Or was it just completely innacurate?
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Does the "dead" in your title provide any additional clue, besides the fact that he was totally wrong?
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~damia~ Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 4:58 pm:

english? this one german? french? spanish?

Sixtyeight Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 5:05 pm:

was it a standard lesson he was teaching? no
an answer to a student's question? no
would his wrong explanation be found in a text book? NO

Bentarm Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 5:40 pm:

There's so many plausible but dead wrong things that get regularly taught in schools it's hard to know where to start.... True. But I think this one is not regularly taught. In fact I'm sure it isn't.

was the explanation the etymology of a word or phrase? yope e.g. "port out starboard home" for posh? not this
Was the wrong explanation wrong in some interesting way - like it was the exact opposite of right? yes, exactly! Or was it just completely innacurate? laeftr

Woodworm Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 6:45 pm:

Does the "dead" in your title provide any additional clue, besides the fact that he was totally wrong? no
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On second thoughts, the answer to

was the explanation the etymology of a word or phrase? should probably be plain yes.

It's a bit early in the morning still.
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ok was the explanation the etymology of a word? a phrase?

is it a common word/phrase? used in everyday speech? or only in a certain profession? or only in english lessons? or mainly in one of those?
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~damia~ Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 10:21 am:

ok was the explanation the etymology of a word? no, but... a phrase? yes

is it a common word/phrase? the word, yes, the phrase, not very used in everyday speech? the word, yes, the phrase, no or only in a certain profession? no or only in english lessons? no or mainly in one of those? no
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Did the teacher's explanation imply that the phrase meant something different to what it actually means?
Did the teacher know what the phrase meant, but not where it came from?
Is there some specific word in the phrase that the teacher's explanation misunderstands?
Was the teacher a native English speaker? could they have been? Were they teaching native English speakers? Was this in an English lesson?
Is it relevant how the phrase cropped up - in a piece of writing? In speech?
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Bentarm Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:06 pm:

Did the teacher's explanation imply that the phrase meant something different to what it actually means? yes
Did the teacher know what the phrase meant, but not where it came from? no - the other way round
Is there some specific word in the phrase that the teacher's explanation misunderstands? yes
Was the teacher a native English speaker? no could they have been? hopefully not Were they teaching native English speakers? no Was this in an English lesson? not really, but it could have been
Is it relevant how the phrase cropped up yes - in a piece of writing? yope In speech? yope
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Does the phrase change the meaning of the word? Make the word mean the opposite of what it normally does?
Is it a phrase where one word can change the whole meaning of the phrase (ie: knocked up versus knocked down)?
Is it an American expression? British expression?
Could the students tell the teacher was wrong?
Native country of the teacher relevant?
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Hi Brid

Something like that old one about "the meat is rotten but the vodka is good"? Translation via machine relevant?
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is the age of the students relevant?

is it anything to do with the verb 'to cleave'?
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Christine Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 8:05 pm:

Does the phrase change the meaning of the word? no, if I understand you correctly Make the word mean the opposite of what it normally does? ditto
Is it a phrase where one word can change the whole meaning of the phrase (ie: knocked up versus knocked down)? yesish
Is it an American expression? the origin of this phrase here is British expression? but it could be used in Britain as well
Could the students tell the teacher was wrong? one could, at least
Native country of the teacher relevant? no, as long as he is not a native English speaker

Bodo Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:54 pm:

Hi Brid Hi!

Something like that old one about "the meat is rotten but the vodka is good"? Translation via machine relevant? no, but good thinking

Suido Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 8:13 am:

is the age of the students relevant? a bit perhaps

is it anything to do with the verb 'to cleave'? no - I have no idea what you're after, so please post your own puzzle if you have one!
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Am i right to believe that the teacher and his class were from a non-English speaking country learning English?

Was the incorrect phrase just caught up in the translation?

Was the 'odd student out' so to speak English speaking and therefore correct the teacher?
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Thommo Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 10:08 am:

Am i right to believe that the teacher and his class were from a non-English speaking country learning English? you are

Was the incorrect phrase just caught up in the translation? please clarify what you mean

Was the 'odd student out' so to speak English speaking and therefore correct the teacher? she happened to know a bit more English but was the same nationality as everybody else
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was the phrase translated word for word? but when you put the words together they don't make much sense? I guess I mean was the phrase from the native speakers own language? and it was only when translated into english it didn't make sense? maybe something to do with having so many english words having multiple meanings? or a word that sounds similar to the correct word?
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~damia~ Posted on Friday, August 31, 2007 - 2:05 pm:

was the phrase translated word for word? yes but when you put the words together they don't make much sense? this is not the case I guess I mean was the phrase from the native speakers own language? no and it was only when translated into english it didn't make sense? no maybe something to do with having so many english words having multiple meanings? no or a word that sounds similar to the correct word? no

Nice ideas, but on the wrong track.
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Is this a situation where the literal translation of the phrase ends up meaning the opposite of how the phrase is actually used?

I cant come up with an example to save my life.
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Beccaann Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 4:21 pm:

Is this a situation where the literal translation of the phrase ends up meaning the opposite of how the phrase is actually used? No, it isn't.

I cant come up with an example to save my life. A good thing you don't need to!
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ok just to recap, an english phrase is translated into another language, and one word is misinterpreted by the teacher, which a student points out?

and the teacher knows what the overall meaning of the phrase is, but not what the origin of it is? so when the teacher tries to explain it he/she gets it wrong?

does her explanation involve mixing up one word with another similar word?
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~damia~ Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 3:14 pm:

ok just to recap, an english phrase is translated into another language yes, and one word is misinterpreted by the teacher yes, which a student points out? no - having already learnt the futility in pointing mistakes out...

and the teacher knows what the overall meaning of the phrase is no, but not what the origin of it is? but yes, he knows the origin so when the teacher tries to explain it he/she gets it wrong? he, and yes

does her explanation involve mixing up one word with another similar word? his, and yes, for svv of "similar"
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would it help to try and guess the origin of the phrase? is a particular job relevant? a hobby? an emotion?
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~damia~ Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 9:44 am:

would it help to try and guess the origin of the phrase? yes is a particular job relevant? could be argued, but don't pursue this a hobby? ditto an emotion? yesish
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is the emotion happiness? sadness? anger? hatred? fear? love? friendship?

is the phrase some kind of simile? is it a phrase found in a piece of writing? something famous? maybe biblical? or shakespeare? or maybe some kind of proverb? or a euphemism?
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~damia~ Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 12:01 pm:

is the emotion happiness? sadness? this is closest anger? hatred? fear? love? friendship?

is the phrase some kind of simile? yes, I think you can say so is it a phrase found in a piece of writing? yes something famous? yes maybe biblical? no or shakespeare? no or maybe some kind of proverb? no or a euphemism? I don't think so
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is it found in a classical book? in a piece of poetry? was it written in the 20th century? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th?
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~damia~ Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 2:38 pm:

is it found in a classical book? noish in a piece of poetry? yesis was it written in the 20th century? probably 19th? possibly 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? no to rest
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so someone born end of 19th century then? maybe Kipling? or D H Lawrence?
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~damia~ Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 3:43 pm:

Hi again Damia, and sorry for delay. I've been home for a few days with a psychosomatic virus, or something.
so someone born end of 19th century then? probably maybe Kipling? no or D H Lawrence? no
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was it written by someone famous as a writer?
is it worth investigating who penned the saying?

does the saying include the word 'like'?

sadness -
due to a loss of something?
depression?
blues?
due to mistreatment?
because of a specific event? or thing?
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Suido Posted on Saturday, September 15, 2007 - 5:17 am:

was it written by someone famous as a writer? yope
is it worth investigating who penned the saying? For avoiding a long and unfruitful quest: the writer is the very prolific Trad.

does the saying include the word 'like'? no

sadness -
due to a loss of something? yesish
depression? possibly
blues? possibly
due to mistreatment? noish
because of a specific event? yesish or thing? noish

Sorry for all the ishes - it's mostly a matter of opinion anyway
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this is tough

does it go something along the lines of

he?she?its? as ____ as a ______

or he/she/its like a _____?

does it involve an animal? an object? a person? a human characteristic? something tangible? or something like an idea or whatever like trust, faith something like that?
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~damia~ Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2007 - 12:13 pm:

this is tough hee hee

does it go something along the lines of

he?she?its? as ____ as a ______ no

or he/she/its like a _____? not that either

does it involve an animal? no an object? yes a person? no, except for the one supposed to say it a human characteristic? no something tangible? yes or something like an idea or whatever like trust, faith something like that? no
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so it compares one object to another?

is the first object made of metal? wood? stone? rubber? plastic? paper? cardboard? china? ceramics? is it roughly/exactly shaped like a cylinder? cube? cuboid? sphere? pyramid? is it larger than a computer? larger than a book? larger than a car?

same questions for the second object?
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~damia~ Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 10:11 am:

so it compares one object to another? no - di I say so? If so, I apologise. The saying does, however, mention two objects.

is the first object made of metal? probably partly wood? possibly partly stone? possibly partly rubber? not to any significant extent plastic? no paper? no cardboard? no china? no ceramics? no is it roughly/exactly shaped like a cylinder? no cube? possibly cuboid? possibly sphere? no pyramid? no is it larger than a computer? yes larger than a book? yes larger than a car? yes

is the second object made of metal? wood? stone? rubber? plastic? paper? cardboard? china? ceramics? no to all is it roughly/exactly shaped like a cylinder? no cube? no cuboid? no sphere? yes pyramid? no is it larger than a computer? yes larger than a book? yes larger than a car? yes
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is the sphere one a planet? earth? the sun? a star? a meteor?
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~damia~ Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 12:13 pm:

is the sphere one a planet? earth? the sun? a star? a meteor? the sun, yes
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woohoo!!!

is a particular property of the sun relevant? its heat? brightness?

is the other object some kind of building? if so is a specific building relevant?
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~damia~ Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 2:06 pm:

woohoo!!! indeed

is a particular property of the sun relevant? no(ish?) its heat? brightness? no to these

is the other object some kind of building? yes if so is a specific building relevant? yes
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Is size relevant? importance? (eg Centre of the Solar System?)
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is there only one of this building? something like the Empire State? would it help to find out the country its in?
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"The sun never sets on the British Empire..." (well, I guess now it does)? Something about "Under the sun?" Was this a teacher in a class which you were attending?
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Tsoram1970 Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 2:24 pm:

Is size relevant? importance? (eg Centre of the Solar System?) no to all

~damia~ Posted on Friday, September 21, 2007 - 3:35 pm:

is there only one of this building? strictly yes, but... something like the Empire State? no would it help to find out the country its in? yes

Bodo Posted on Monday, September 24, 2007 - 8:14 pm:

"The sun never sets on the British Empire..." (well, I guess now it does)? Something about "Under the sun?" excellent quotations, but not relevant here Was this a teacher in a class which you were attending? yes
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is the building in usa? europe? australia?

is it a home? a government building? some sort of art place - theatre, music etc? a public building? bank? place to do sports? hotel? apartments? restaurant?
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~damia~ Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 9:31 am:

is the building in usa? this one europe? australia?

is it a home? no a government building? no some sort of art place - theatre, music etc? no a public building? please define this bank? no place to do sports? no hotel? no apartments? no restaurant? no or noish
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Fort Knox?
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Tsoram1970 Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 2:04 pm:

Fort Knox? not this either
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Darn...


office block?
courthouse?
mansion?
bar?
concert hall?
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by public building I just meant any building that the general public are allowed into

casino?
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Darn...


office block? no
courthouse? no
mansion? no
bar? possibly
concert hall? no
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an inn?
a pub?
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Tsoram1970 Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 2:23 pm:

an inn?
a pub? both also possible, but not the main purpose
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Restaurant?
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you missed my post
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Bodo Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 3:24 pm:

Restaurant? no

~damia~ Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 3:38 pm:

you missed my post So I did. Apologies.

~damia~ Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 2:22 pm:

by public building I just meant any building that the general public are allowed into if so, yesish

casino? no
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so bar/inn/pub is closest so far - could it contain these? is it a members only type place? do you have to pay to get in? to do something there?
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~damia~ Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 9:33 am:

so bar/inn/pub is closest so far - could it contain these? according to my limited knowledge, yes is it a members only type place? no do you have to pay to get in? I don't know to do something there? yes
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I can't think of anything now, is it important to get the name of the building?

is the misunderstood main word to do with the sun? the building?
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~damia~ Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 3:53 pm:

I can't think of anything now, is it important to get the name of the building? yes, 'cause that's the quotation you're searching for :-)

is the misunderstood main word to do with the sun? mainly the building? but this has something to do with the misunderstanding
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umm some sort of conference center?
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~damia~ Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 9:17 am:

umm some sort of conference center? noo
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is it some kind of tourist place? do people live in it? sleep in it? would people work there? would they have desk jobs? if I posted the jobs list would something relevant about the building be linked to a job?
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~damia~ Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 11:30 am:

is it some kind of tourist place? perhaps for some "tourists", but not you or me do people live in it? unknown sleep in it? possibly would people work there? well, yes, but beware would they have desk jobs? NO if I posted the jobs list would something relevant about the building be linked to a job? I doubt that this "job" would be in the list
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm would this building have security guards? would there be anything valuable in there?

is it in:

Alabama (AL)
Alaska (AK)
Arizona (AZ)
Arkansas (AR)
California (CA)
Colorado (CO)
Connecticut (CT)
Delaware (DE)
Florida (FL)
Georgia (GA)
Hawaii (HI)
Idaho (ID)
Illinois (IL)
Indiana (IN)
Iowa (IA)
Kansas (KS)
Kentucky (KY)
Louisiana (LA)
Maine (ME)
Maryland (MD)
Massachusetts (MA)
Michigan (MI)
Minnesota (MN)
Mississippi (MS)
Missouri (MO)
Montana (MT)
Nebraska (NE)
Nevada (NV)
New Hampshire (NH)
New Jersey (NJ)
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New York (NY)
North Carolina (NC)
North Dakota (ND)
Ohio (OH)
Oklahoma (OK)
Oregon (OR)
Pennsylvania (PA)
Rhode Island (RI)
South Carolina (SC)
South Dakota (SD)
Tennessee (TN)
Texas (TX)
Utah (UT)
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Virginia (VA)
Washington (WA)
West Virginia (WV)
Wisconsin (WI)
Wyoming (WY)
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~damia~ Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 4:46 pm:

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm would this building have security guards? I doubt it would there be anything valuable in there? not valuable as in gold and silver, no

is it in:

Louisiana (LA) yes
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is it in Baton Rouge? New Orleans?
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~damia~ Posted on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 9:41 am:

is it in Baton Rouge? New Orleans? this one
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is it a plantation? any sort of museum? golf course? anything mardi gras related? I don't know what a Cabildo is, but is it that? a college? university? is it in the french quarter?
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Is a brothel relevant to this puzzle?
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I'd just got to the bottom of this puzzle and was thinking the same thing Tim (although I seem to remember reading a perfectly sensible interpretation that has that particular House as a prison).
The only problem is that the actually etymology of the phrase is pretty much completely unknown... apart from maybe that it comes from a song?
Did he think it was the House of the Rising Son?
Would this puzzle work if the alternative interpretation of the lyrics is correct, and the building in question is in fact a prison?

(of course, if I'm wrong about the phrase, feel free to ignore almost all of this post!)
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~damia~ Posted on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 4:47 pm:

is it a plantation? any sort of museum? golf course? anything mardi gras related? I don't know what a Cabildo is, but is it that? a college? university? is it in the french quarter? no to all, I'd say, but help is on the way...

Bodo Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 3:18 pm:

Is a brothel relevant to this puzzle? YES

Bentarm Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 5:09 pm:

I'd just got to the bottom of this puzzle and was thinking the same thing Tim (although I seem to remember reading a perfectly sensible interpretation that has that particular House as a prison).
The only problem is that the actually etymology of the phrase is pretty much completely unknown... apart from maybe that it comes from a song? it does, yes
Did he think it was the House of the Rising Son? no, but the phrase is indeed "House of the Rising Sun"
Would this puzzle work if the alternative interpretation of the lyrics is correct, and the building in question is in fact a prison? yes

(of course, if I'm wrong about the phrase, feel free to ignore almost all of this post!) :-)
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did the teacher know it came from a song? did he say it did? did he say it was to do with the actual sun? is it?
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So the relevant thing about the etymology is that it comes from a song?
Are any of the other lyrics of the song relevant?
Did he think the building performed some other function than that which it actually performed?
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~damia~ Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 9:15 am:

did the teacher know it came from a song? yes did he say it did? yes did he say it was to do with the actual sun? um, as opposed to what? is it?

Bentarm Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 11:06 am:

So the relevant thing about the etymology is that it comes from a song? yes
Are any of the other lyrics of the song relevant? Not the exact lyrics. It is relevant that "I" in the song is sad/sorry/mournful about what happened.
Did he think the building performed some other function than that which it actually performed? no
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Did he state that the "I" of the song was male? Female?
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Bodo Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 2:50 pm:

Did he state that the "I" of the song was male? Female? Female, I think, but this is not really relevant either.
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Did he know the "I" of the song was unhappy about what happened? did he think she (we might as well stick with she, as it distinguishes her from him) was happy? Was he mistaken about her reason for being sad?
Did he think the name "house of the rising sun" had something to do with her being sad?
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Bentarm Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 9:38 am:

Did he know the "I" of the song was unhappy about what happened? yes did he think she (we might as well stick with she, as it distinguishes her from him) was happy? so, no Was he mistaken about her reason for being sad? no
Did he think the name "house of the rising sun" had something to do with her being sad? not as such, but this might be the right direction
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Japan relevant? Did he believe it was a Japanese establishment?
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Bodo Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 8:41 pm:

Japan relevant? Did he believe it was a Japanese establishment? no to both
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Hint: A fundamental misunderstanding of a word.
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Did he misunderstand the word "rising"? the word "sun"?
Did he think that "rising sun" actually meant "setting sun? The things that go on there generally go on after dark, so that might be appropriate?
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Bentarm Posted on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 1:31 pm:

Did he misunderstand the word "rising"? yes the word "sun"?
Did he think that "rising sun" actually meant "setting sun? YES! The things that go on there generally go on after dark, so that might be appropriate?

******** SPOILER *********

Once upon a time I had a teacher who knew little about Swedish and French, which he was supposed to teach, and possibly still less about English. But he did know how to play some chords on a guitar, and he could sing reasonably in tune. So when he hadn't thought of anything else to do he would sing to us (or with us). One of the songs he sang was "House of the Rising Sun". It would not be obvious to a bunch of Swedish fifteen-year-olds what the text is all about, so he explained: "You see, this house was a brothel, and the name is symbolic. The rising sun means the sun going down."
I knew quite well what the word rise meant, but I didn't correct him; partly because I was ashamed for him that he should be mistaken about such a simple word, partly because my class mates found me impossibly nerdy as it was (and thought it unsuitable that I should think I knew better than the teacher).
I wonder how many of them still go through life believing this?

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