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My recent misspelling of misspelled (still not sure i'm getting it right) brought this puzzle to mind.

Rating : Slightly silly.


When i was younger and was giving someone my address about 90% of them made a mistake even though i spelled (spelt) it out for them. Why do you think that was
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When you spelled your address out to them, did 90% of them write down the exact letters that you spoke? Or did they assume that there was more to it, and just added some letters on their own? For example, while you said "B", they might have written "bee" thinking that that's what you meant?

Is it relevant that "Z" can be pronounced "zed" or "zee"?
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was there ever a difference of language or dialect between you and the 90%?
did the mistake have to do with numbers? hyphens?

"phonetically challenging" town name? street name? proper name? relevant?
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When you spelled your address out to them, did 90% of them write down the exact letters that you spoke? noish Or did they assume that there was more to it, and just added some letters on their own? they made an assumption but didn't add letters For example, while you said "B", they might have written "bee" thinking that that's what you meant? not this

Is it relevant that "Z" can be pronounced "zed" or "zee"? no
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was there ever a difference of language or dialect between you and the 90%? no
did the mistake have to do with numbers? hyphens? neither

"phonetically challenging" town name? street name? proper name? relevant? well it's not a street or town name. In Ireland if you live outside a town's boundary the surrounding area is broken down into what are known as Townlands which might have 8 to 10 houses scattered about it. There are no house numbers. So for example if your townland was called Millbrook which was located outside the town of Ballyshannon in the county of Donegal then your address would be simply Millbrook, Ballyshannon , Co Donegal. Very dependant on the postman knowing all the houses in your townland. So the word that caused the confusion is the name of the townland i grew up in . I don't expect you to guess the actual name but i'm sure your lateral minds will work out the property the name had that caused all the confusion. Regarding whether it was phonetically challenging i guess most people would have to ask for the spelling as the locals didn't pronounce it phonetically. Sorry to be so long winded
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was the townland name from the Irish language?
was the mistake that 90% made in spelling? pronunciation?
or another reason that their letter to you may not make it via post?
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Oh Donegal, the county of my forebears, where yet reside a great cluster of second cousins and so forth. Alas, I, alone among my siblings, have yet to visit the Emerald Isle, and bring no inside knowledge to this puzzle

Is the townlands name more than one word?
Is it a typically Irish name? Is its etymology relevant?
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The other 10% who got the address right got it because they were previously aware of your address and its right spelling? Or did they just interpret your spelling in the right way? Is anything about them relevant?
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was the townland name from the Irish language? yes
was the mistake that 90% made in spelling? this but not a striaght forward spelling mistake pronunciation? no
or another reason that their letter to you may not make it via post? no
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Oh Donegal, the county of my forebears, where yet reside a great cluster of second cousins and so forth. Alas, I, alone among my siblings, have yet to visit the Emerald Isle, and bring no inside knowledge to this puzzle I actually don't come from there but went there on holidays every summer until i was about 14. The most beautiful county in Ireland and that's saying something

Is the townlands name more than one word? no
Is it a typically Irish name? to be honest there's no such thing really. 99% of townlands are Irish names i.e derived from the Irish language but this is not really relevant Is its etymology relevant? I hope i'm right in saying that this means the history or origin of the word. If so then no
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The other 10% who got the address right got it because they were previously aware of your address and its right spelling? no because the entire group consist of people who asked me how to spell it Or did they just interpret your spelling in the right way? yes Is anything about them relevant? no just the exceptions that prove the rule i guess
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did the ones who misspelled the words misunderstand you? your accent? (though I am assuming they were from Ireland and understood you clearly)...

was the place name pronounced differently than it looks? did the people not pay attention to your spelling of the townland when you were spelling it?
longshot: perhaps when the 90% heard the name, they visualized what it looked like and even though they asked you to spell it, they were not paying attention and spelled it phonetically, or how they visualized it?


did they mix up letters? did they get the first and last letter right but really confused the middle letters?


would it be useful to list townlands of ireland?(though I'd have to google to get them, if that's ok)...
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did 90% write each letter of the relevant townsland correctly?
if no, then did they write 1 letter incorrectly? more than 1?

is the error 1 vowel? 2? 3?
did they all make the same relevant spelling mistake?

did 90% hear you correctly, yet write the wrong letter(s)?
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did the ones who misspelled the words misunderstand you? yes your accent? no (though I am assuming they were from Ireland and understood you clearly)...For such a small country there are huge variances in accents in Ireland . I come from right on the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic so i have a northern accent but accents are not relevant to this puzzle

was the place name pronounced differently than it looks? yes did the people not pay attention to your spelling of the townland when you were spelling it? if anything they paid too much attention
longshot: perhaps when the 90% heard the name, they visualized what it looked like and even though they asked you to spell it, they were not paying attention and spelled it phonetically, or how they visualized it? nice thought but no. The fact that it's not pronounced exactly as it's spelling is only relevant in that it encouraged people to ask me how to spell it


did they mix up letters? yesish did they get the first and last letter right but really confused the middle letters? yes


would it be useful to list townlands of ireland?(though I'd have to google to get them, if that's ok)...no it wouldn't. In my home town which has a population of about 3000 there are about 150 townlands in the surrounding area. I guess there are millions throughout Ireland
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did 90% write each letter of the relevant townsland correctly? yope
if no, then did they write 1 letter incorrectly? yesish more than 1? no

is the error 1 vowel? 2? 3? none
did they all make the same relevant spelling mistake? yes

did 90% hear you correctly, yet write the wrong letter(s)? yes that is key. They heard me perfectly well but all made the same incorrrect assumption
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is the pronunciation of b relevant, like in the name siobhan ( pron. shevaun)?

homophones relevent? eg m, n?

aha: they heard you say 'double u' and thought that you meant w?
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is the pronunciation of b relevant, like in the name siobhan ( pron. shevaun)? no

homophones relevent? yes eg m, n? yes

aha: they heard you say 'double u' and thought that you meant w? inspired but not no
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damn, i was really hoping that was the answer, cos it would've made a great puzzle.

did they confuse the letters m and n?
use one when they should have used the other?
got the order of m and n wrong?

any other homophones?
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damn, i was really hoping that was the answer, cos it would've made a great puzzle. park that idea for a year and then try it as a puzzle. You'll do well to come up with a word with double U in it though

did they confuse the letters m and n? yesish the answer is more complicated than simply hearing n as m or vice versa
use one when they should have used the other? yesish
got the order of m and n wrong? again yesish. They heard me perfectly clearly but assumed something which was incorrect. You're well on your way to solving this

any other homophones? no
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Are the letters m and n next to each other? If so, are they in a sequence that is "unnatural" in the English language? Would an Irish speaker make the same mistake (now thinking the few ones left with Irish as their main language)?
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are both m and n in the word? or just one and it is assumed to be the other?
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So you didn't live in the Townsland of "Vacuum" did you? lol

does the name have more than 1 m? it has 2? 3?
more than 1 n? it has 2? 3?

does "n" sound like "and"?
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Are the letters m and n next to each other? no good question If so, are they in a sequence that is "unnatural" in the English language? no Would an Irish speaker make the same mistake (now thinking the few ones left with Irish as their main language)? yes they would
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are both m and n in the word? yes or just one and it is assumed to be the other? no
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So you didn't live in the Townsland of "Vacuum" did you? lol drat . Guess i'm living in a mental vacuum

does the name have more than 1 m? yes but irr it has 2? this 3?
more than 1 n? noit has 2? 3?

does "n" sound like "and"? no
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so, while there are 2 m's, only one is relevant to the error?
and the one which is relevant is working together with "n" to confuse?
if you spelled the town in french, [to someone who understood french] would this problem exist?
does it help much to spell it really slowly?
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so, while there are 2 m's, only one is relevant to the error? yes
and the one which is relevant is working together with "n" to confuse? thats right
if you spelled the town in french, [to someone who understood french] would this problem exist? i don't know i imagine you would have great difficulty in translating it to french. I'll say no to that but not sure
does it help much to spell it really slowly? no in fact this problem is just as likely to occur if the spelling is done slowly
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Is it relevant how the n and m are positioned? would n come before m? m before n?

1? 2? 3? more? letters in between them?
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I don't know i imagine you would have great difficulty in translating it to french. I'll say no to that but not sure



maybe I don't understand something.. are we talking about spelling the standard alphabet?
if no, is something else relevant to misspelling?
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is pronunciation/mispronunciation of the townsland name relevant to the misspelling?
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does it have anything to do with the word "and"?
did they think maybe you said mnm instead of "m and m"? did people think you were saying "n", so they added an extra n?
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Eli

Is it relevant how the n and m are positioned? yeswould n come before m? yes ignore the other m which the word begins with m before n? so no
1? this 2? 3? more? letters in between them?
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quote:
I don't know i imagine you would have great difficulty in translating it to french. I'll say no to that but not sure


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maybe I don't understand something.. are we talking about spelling the standard alphabet? yes
if no, is something else relevant to misspelling? no
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does it have anything to do with the word "and"? no
did they think maybe you said mnm instead of "m and m"? no did people think you were saying "n", so they added an extra n no
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is pronunciation/mispronunciation of the townsland name relevant to the misspelling?

is there a vowel between n & m?
when you dictate the spelling, do the misspellers write m where the n should be?
do they miss any letters? add any letters?

if the name is 8 characters do the misspellers write 8 characters?
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is pronunciation/mispronunciation of the townsland name relevant to the misspelling? not really it's just that it usually leads one to ask how to spell it

is there a vowel between n & m? yes
when you dictate the spelling, do the misspellers write m where the n should be? yes
do they miss any letters? noish add any letters? no

if the name is 8 characters do the misspellers write 8 characters? thank god you asked that. I usually have to stop them halfway through as they have nearly all make the same mistake so i correct them before they've even finished. The word has 10 letters
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nem?
nam?
nim?
nom?
num?

is the vowel that follows N also the second vowel in the name? so the misspeller would have a tendency to think an M belongs where the N is because it sounds natural? (if this makes any sense)

not sure how you would know they are misspelling in the middle of the word....you're setting off my lateral radar again!! lol

^^ relevant?? :-}
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emailing a guess of the place name....
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if you did not correct them, would they write 10 letters?
I'm assuming that when you've answered yesish or noish to questions about their mistake, this is because you correct them while they are writing it, rather than letting the mistake proceed, correct?
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nem?
nam? this
nim?
nom?
num?

is the vowel that follows N also the second vowel in the name? no so the misspeller would have a tendency to think an M belongs where the N is because it sounds natural? no (if this makes any sense)

not sure how you would know they are misspelling in the middle of the word....you're setting off my lateral radar again!! lol

^^ relevant?? :-} your last remark is most relevant. The make an assumptive (if that's a word) mistake rather than an outright spelling mistake. However this assumption does ultimately make them make a spelling mistake which if i can see what they are writing i am able to correct before they finish the word
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if you did not correct them, would they write 10 letters? no. explore the notion of my correcting them a bit further
I'm assuming that when you've answered yesish or noish to questions about their mistake, this is because you correct them while they are writing it, rather than letting the mistake proceed, correct? absolutely and that's quite relevant

I'm going to give you all a bit of assistance with this. The way the word is composed in terms of consonents and vowels is

cvccvcvcvc
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emailing a guess of the place name....

Booklover. Won't get reading that until about 21.00 GMT . I'll be gobsmacked if you get it right
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is the vowel that follows N also the second vowel in the name? no

MAJOR BLOOPER ALERT. The answer above should be YES. Apologies i misread the question.
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M_ _nam_ _ _ _, the first blank section contains a vowel then a consonant, the second blank section containing vowel, consonant, vowel, consonant.

Any of these unknown letters relevant to the assumption, and/or the mistake?

If you did not correct them, would they omit any letters?

Do you correct something that they have written?
something other than a letter? eg punctuation?

Is a verbal correction enough?
do you have to write something for them?

I know the slow spelling has already been asked, but I want to clarify... if you were to say each letter by itself, and not proceed to the next letter until they had written the preceeding letter down, would they make the mistake?

Would the 90% make the assumption if they had not heard the entire word said, and only heard you spelling it?
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do misspellerers think that "ham" is in the name?
or "nham"
did the towns name evolve from a "ham"?
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M_ _nam_ _ _ _, the first blank section contains a vowel then a consonant, the second blank section containing vowel, consonant, vowel, consonant. not quite your blanks should read
M_ _ _ _ nam_ _ . the blanks are now vccv & vc. My goodness i'm starting to confuse myself :0)


Any of these unknown letters relevant to the assumption, and/or the mistake? yes a vowel

If you did not correct them, would they omit any letters? yes

Do you correct something that they have written? i correct their spelling mistake but remember they do not make the spelling mistake because they have misheard me
something other than a letter? no eg punctuation? no

Is a verbal correction enough? yes
do you have to write something for them? very rarely. Sometimes people used to get so confused i wrote it out for them

I know the slow spelling has already been asked, but I want to clarify... if you were to say each letter by itself, and not proceed to the next letter until they had written the preceeding letter down, would they make the mistake? no there mistake was due to my grouping letters and then pausing before starting the next syllable

Would the 90% make the assumption if they had not heard the entire word said, and only heard you spelling it? yes. I would think even if i phoned you right now and called out the spelling to you without saying the word there is a fair chance you'd make the same error.
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is the first missing vowel a? e? i? o? u?

is the second missing vowel a? e? i? o? u?

is the third missing vowel a? e? i? o? u?
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"Hfuhruhurr ... spelled like it sounds! Hfu-hru-hurr.. Hfuhruhurr!!"

so if you changed your cadence they may spell it right? maybe you should have just spelled it backwards!! would that work?

so its
Ma_ _ _nam_ _
can I buy another vowel? I guess another A
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do misspellerers think that "ham" is in the name? no
or "nham" no
did the towns name evolve from a "ham"? no
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is the first missing vowel a? e? i? o? u? u

is the second missing vowel a? e? i? o? u? a

is the third missing vowel a? e? i? o? u? o
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"Hfuhruhurr ... spelled like it sounds! Hfu-hru-hurr.. Hfuhruhurr!!" "if you like a me and i like a you then we like a both the same." without doubt Steve Martin's finest hour lol

so if you changed your cadence they may spell it right? yes maybe you should have just spelled it backwards!! would that work? ha ha interesting thought . And funnily enough the problem would still occur

so its
Ma_ _ _nam_ _ no it's Mu _ _ _nam _ _
can I buy another vowel? i'm beginning to regret setting this puzzle as i'm terrified of giving misleading info. never thought it would last this many posts. I guess another A no but check out Damia's more direct approach

so this is where we're at Mu_ _ anamo _
now surely someone can put us all out of our misery and say why people make a mistake
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since it would still occur when you spell it backwards, Is it the ana grouping?

would they leave out the first a?
the second a?
the n?
the m?

do people assume that one of the a's is being used as an article preceding a letter of the name, rather than a letter of the name itself?
or that you are saying 'an a', rather than ...a, n, a...
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I found Mullanamoy. Is that it? (But why people make a spelling mistake, I can't understand...)
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since it would still occur when you spell it backwards, Is it the ana grouping? is what the ana grouping ? needless to sat the ana grouping is very relevant

would they leave out the first a? no
the second a? no
the n? no
the m? no
they don't leave out any letters
do people assume that one of the a's is being used as an article preceding a letter of the name, rather than a letter of the name itself? no
or that you are saying 'an a', rather than ...a, n, a...no
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I found Mullanamoy. Is that it? BINGO!!!!!. Thats the place of my birth and upbringing. Well done for getting it. (But why people make a spelling mistake, I can't understand...) they make an assumptive mistake . Only recall saying yesish to an actual spelling mistake. It's all about cadence and emphasis from now on . This won;t be a help but the way we locals pronounce it is Mull nah moy i.e we omit a syllable
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Booklover

E-mail read and responded to . A good guess but..........
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Just to clarify.

You say that they don't make a spelling mistake because you correct them. But they WOULD have made the mistake if you hadn't corrected them. Right?
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Just to clarify.

You say that they don't make a spelling mistake because you correct them.yes But they WOULD have made the mistake if you hadn't corrected them. Right? right again. This is the lateral bit you need to solve. I only correct them after they make the mistake but correction relevant to the mistake being made in the first place. Remember they make an assumption.
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you never actually answered one of sixtyeights questions:
if the name is 8 characters do the misspellers write 8 characters? thank god you asked that. I usually have to stop them halfway through as they have nearly all make the same mistake so i correct them before they've even finished. The word has 10 letters

if you don't correct them, how many letters would they write?
do they assume there's a double n?
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Here's how I might spell that.. let me know if it would work.. ( I would yell the bolded parts)

M-u-l-lpause a-n-a pausem-o-y
is your cadence similar to this?

do the misspellers tend to hear the end of the word as "annoy"?
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If you have to stop them halfway through to correct, the mistake must be in the Mulla part. The double Ls the problem? The M? U? A?
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you never actually answered one of sixtyeights questions:
if the name is 8 characters do the misspellers write 8 characters? thank god you asked that. I usually have to stop them halfway through as they have nearly all make the same mistake so i correct them before they've even finished. The word has 10 letters they ultimately write the 10 letters but only after i've corrected them. Their mistake is not letter numberring but rather a mistinterpretation of what i'm saying

if you don't correct them, how many letters would they write? if i didn't then i doubt they would be able to finish the word so i don't know
do they assume there's a double n? no
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Here's how I might spell that.. let me know if it would work.. ( I would yell the bolded parts)

M-u-l-lpause a-n-a pausem-o-y
is your cadence similar to this? no but i'll let you know how i do it. I say m-u-l-l-a-n- pause a-m pause o-y

do the misspellers tend to hear the end of the word as "annoy"? no but given the complexities of this puzzle i certainly will in future call the place of my birth mullanANNOY :0)
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If you have to stop them halfway through to correct, the mistake must be in the Mulla part. The double Ls the problem? The M? U? A? so sorry. I used the term halfway through as a figure of speech and not to be taken literally MANY APOLOGIES. The mistake occurs when i say a-m
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Do they hear the letters A M? Do they write down those letters? Do they think you're using the word "a" as in the article and not the letter? Do they think that when you say "m" you are saying "um" before continuing?
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Do they hear the letters A M? yes Do they write down those letters? yesish Do they think you're using the word "a" as in the article and not the letter? no Do they think that when you say "m" you are saying "um" before continuing? a great idea but alas no
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Do they assume it is more than one word? Do they think when you pause you are signalling the start of a new word?
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Do they assume it is more than one word? Do they think when you pause you are signalling the start of a new word? no
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Is the missing 'a' in the pronounciation that causes the 'misspellings'?
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when u say a-m do they her "aim" or "and"?
do they hear the last part as "A M awigh?"
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When you pause after you say "AM", "AN" follows, so do they think that you're correcting the previous "AM" that you said, and they think that they should write "AN" instead?
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Is the missing 'a' in the pronounciation that causes the 'misspellings'? no
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when u say a-m do they her "aim" or "and"?
do they hear the last part as "A M awigh?" no . But help is at hand

When you pause after you say "AM", "AN" follows, so do they think that you're correcting the previous "AM" that you said, and they think that they should write "AN" instead? well wrong order but close enough to finally put this to bed. Sooooo
*******************SPOILER*********************
The solution is that almost everyone thought the a-m part was my correcting them for writing a-n. It's easy when you picture it. I spell the word as follows m-u-l-l-a-n pause a-m this leads people to make the false assumption that i was correcting them and they almost all crossed out the n and substituted it for m. Thus they had made a mistake which i was able to correct before they completed spelling the word. In latter years it became such an ongoing joke that i kept it up even though m-u-l-l-a-n-a pause m-o-y would have solved the problem. If you want please try this on your friends . It helps if you say a-m in a slightly louder tone which will strengthen the assumption that they are being corrected. Thanks to all who stuck with this rather silly puzzle. If i was a betting man i would have thought this would be gone in 20 posts or less so i had great fun watching you all dancing around the solution. Thanks again :0)
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Good one--I did try it on my husband and he must have been in the 10% because he got it on the first try. I was hoping for him to miss it so I could figure out the solution! He did though, when I paused after the m-u-l-l-a-n, ask if there was more than one word. Thanks for the good puzzle!
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Haha... Yeah, I got the order wrong, pretty silly of me actually. Nice puzzle though! I had fun with this one :-).
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Thanks it was a fun puzzle to host but quite diffucult to answer some of the questions which surprised me. No doubt when you try it out on people they'll all get it right, maybe the people i was dealing with were on the thick side ( no irish jokes please !!!!!)
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Of course we won't tell any Irish jokes, they're sure to be unappreciated... :-P
Nice puzzle, I admit I was stumped.

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