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Sparkplug1 (Sparkplug1)
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Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 8:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would a toddler have been treated the same way?
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compared to the treatment of a human? adult? male? female? animal? object?

is poor treatment relevant?
was treatment done by a human? adult? male? female? group? company? community? government?

toddler = a wee child of early walking age?
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compared to the treatment of a human? adult? male? yes to these female? animal? object?no to these

is poor treatment relevant? noish
was treatment done by a human? adult? male? yes to thesefemale? group? company? community?no to these government? yesish

toddler = a wee child of early walking age? yes, or any small child
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Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 9:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anything to do with excessive use of the toilet? The human adult males are prevented from relieving themselves wherever and whenever but you think a toddler would be allowed access all areas for that purpose?
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Anything to do with excessive use of the toilet?no The human adult males are prevented from relieving themselves wherever and whenever but you think a toddler would be allowed access all areas for that purpose?no
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Did the human adult male do something relevant? Was denied the right to do something relevant?
Would a toddler have been treated better? worse?
Do you think a toddler should be treated the same way? Or that the adult should be treated in the same way as the toddler?
Is it relevant that toddlers generally: are young? aren't fully capable of talking properly? don't earn any money? have parents? Are small? are cute? cry? sulk?
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does it have to do with noise level? incessant talking?

does it have to do with the idea that "children should be seen and not heard"? does it have to with the fact that people usually ask questions to an adult and not the child even if the child is standing right there?
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So an adult male did something that a toddler could also do? However he was treated differently from the toddler?

Was the treatment just different? worse? better? (than the toddler)

Was it something normally associated with what a child would do?
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Bentarm: Did the human adult male do something relevant?yes Was denied the right to do something relevant? yope
Would a toddler have been treated better? yesworse? Do you think a toddler should be treated the same way?no Or that the adult should be treated in the same way as the toddler? yesish
Is it relevant that toddlers generally: are young? yesisharen't fully capable of talking properly? don't earn any money? have parents? Are small? are cute? cry? sulk?no to these

Booklover: does it have to do with noise level? incessant talking? no

does it have to do with the idea that "children should be seen and not heard"? does it have to with the fact that people usually ask questions to an adult and not the child even if the child is standing right there?no to these

Noobdogg: So an adult male did something that a toddler could also do?yes However he was treated differently from the toddler? YES!

Was the treatment just different? worse? yesto thisbetter? (than the toddler)

Was it something normally associated with what a child would do?yes
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ok, since the adult was treated worse for doing something a toddler could also do:

was he doing something "gross"? burping? passing gas?

was he being obnoxious in some way? interrupting?

or did he do something that he thought he should be praised for, and he did not get the recognition he wanted? did he hear: "well, even a toddler could have done that!" (have anything to do with art?)
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Is it relevant where this takes place?
in public? a restaurant? hospital? school? nursery? park?
If the toddler did this would they be praised? criticised? ignored?
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booklover: ok, since the adult was treated worse for doing something a toddler could also do:

was he doing something "gross"? burping? passing gas? no

was he being obnoxious in some way? yopeinterrupting?no

or did he do something that he thought he should be praised for, and he did not get the recognition he wanted? did he hear: "well, even a toddler could have done that!" (have anything to do with art?)no to all


bentarm: Is it relevant where this takes place?no
in public? a restaurant? hospital? school? nursery? park?
If the toddler did this would they be praised? criticised? yes ignored?
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Would the toddler be punished?
Would the adult be punished? arrested? imprisoned?
Is public indecency relevant?
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bentarm: Would the toddler be punished? yes
Would the adult be punished? yes arrested? imprisoned? no to these, but close
Is public indecency relevant?no
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would it have to do with peeing outdoors? in public?
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would the adult be sacked? punished by the government? fined? is the behaviour illegal for an adult?
If the adult was with a toddler, and the toddler did it, and then the adult did it, would the punishments be different?
Would a toddler be punished by his parents for doing this? Would the public at large generally be critical of the parents for allowing the toddler to do it?
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booklover: would it have to do with peeing outdoors? in public?no to both

bentarm: would the adult be sacked? punished by the government? fined? this is close is the behaviour illegal for an adult? apparently so
If the adult was with a toddler, and the toddler did it, and then the adult did it, would the punishments be different? I don't think so
Would a toddler be punished by his parents for doing this? yesWould the public at large generally be critical of the parents for allowing the toddler to do it?no
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If the adult did it in the comfort of their own home would they be punished?
Does it involved interacting with other people? with strangers?
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so we have a HAM who acted out in some way?
and a HAM who "treated" him? someone in the field of enforcement?
anyone else?

are there any other relevant properties of the one who acted out? like is he developmentally at the level of a toddler?
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bentarm: If the adult did it in the comfort of their own home would they be punished?yes
Does it involved interacting with other people?yes with strangers?not in this case

sixtyeight: so we have a HAM who acted out in some way? yes
and a HAM who "treated" him? yes someone in the field of enforcement? yope anyone else? no

are there any other relevant properties of the one who acted out?nois he developmentally at the level of a toddler? thus, no
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Did the HAM shout out an obscenity? Or some other kind of abusive word? Did he show someone the finger? So then if a toddler did the same, he might be let off more easily because he doesn't really know what he's doing?
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Did the HAM shout out an obscenity?no Or some other kind of abusive word?no Did he show someone the finger?no So then if a toddler did the same, he might be let off more easily because he doesn't really know what he's doing? also, no
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is the offense an inaction? like ignoring a command?
or an action using voice? arms? legs? hands? body? other?
or a passive action? like nudity? making faces?
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is the offense an inaction? like ignoring a command?no
or an action using voice? noarms?yes legs?no hands?yes body? other? no to these
or a passive action? like nudity? making faces? no to these
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Is etiquette relevant? Royalty?
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Is etiquette relevant? yesishRoyalty?no
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Did the HAM say something inappropriate to someone? Make an inappropriate gesture? Would the toddler be treated better because the toddler may not be aware of what he is doing, if he does the same? Is an object involved in any way with respect to what the HAM did?
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Did the HAM say something inappropriate to someone? Make an inappropriate gesture?no to these Would the toddler be treated better because the toddler may not be aware of what he is doing, if he does the same? yopeIs an object involved in any way with respect to what the HAM did? YES!
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Did the HAM point the object at someone? Was the object a toy? Something dangerous? Something illegal? The HAM "interacted" with someone, right? Was that one person or many people? He interacted with a relative? A member of his immediate family? A friend? A girlfriend?

Does he use his arms and hand for using the object? Does he throw the object? Does the object cause any harm to anyone?
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Did the HAM point the object at someone? noWas the object a toy? noSomething dangerous? noSomething illegal?no The HAM "interacted" with someone, right?yes Was that one personthis or many people? He interacted with a relative?yes A member of his immediate family? yesA friend? A girlfriend? no to these

Does he use his arms and hand for using the object? yesDoes he throw the object? yesDoes the object cause any harm to anyone?yes
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Was the object a bag of cheetos?
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Was the object a bag of cheetos?
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was the object designed to be thrown?
did he have a tantrum?
did he throw it at the family member?
mother? father? sister? brother?
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you're mean you only knew the answer cuz I told you and now my puzzle's ruined!


Was the object a bag of cheetos?

*spoiler*
as swimmergirl78 has stated, a man threw a bag of cheetos at his father. It hit the dad's glasses and he got a cut on his nose. the dad then sued him for domestic assault.I found this on the news,this struck me as interesting because toddlers do this sort of thing all the time and even if someone got hurt the most they would get is a lecture, not a severe fine!
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The movie "Swimfan" comes to mind... :-P
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LOL! A bag of cheetos! And we were supposed to guess that? Damn! Thanks swimmergirl78 ;-) Nice one!
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I told her earlier that I was doing this lateral puzzle and the answer and so she came here and spoiled it. and she doesn't even like later al puzzles!
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I like lateral puzzles what are you talking about?!
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Lol... I came REALLY close to doing that to someone else without realizing it.
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ahem :-P
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:-D

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