| Author | Message | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 453 Registered: 10-2004 |
What is taught is usually a lie. But then this is probably fortunate... My first puzzle in over a year. Enjoy! | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 546 Registered: 6-2001 |
title relevant? keys as in doorkeys? on a piano? on a keyboard? something else? Does it matter who is teaching? is it a theory? presented as fact? moral? Would someone be damaged if the truth was taught? somewhere? something? a reputation? reputations? would the truth cause a war? Has the lie always been taught? is it deliberately taught? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 457 Registered: 10-2004 |
title relevant? perpendicularly keys as in doorkeys? on a piano? on a keyboard? something else? irr to be honest, but I nearly did write piano keys... Does it matter who is teaching? no is it a theory? no presented as fact? yes moral? yes for svv of moral Would someone be damaged if the truth was taught? noish somewhere? no something? no a reputation? yessish, only relevent in passing (see moral above) reputations? ¬ would the truth cause a war? no Has the lie always been taught? yes for svv of always is it deliberately taught? yope | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 549 Registered: 6-2001 |
title relevant? perpendicularly Not sure I understand but no doubt that will become clear... is Artwork relevant? music? literature? Plagarism? inspiration? Real-life? book? movie? Press? song? picture? FYOI? | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 362 Registered: 5-2007 |
Is it relevant that 256 = 2 to the 8th power? The number of possible values for a byte? Are computers relevant at all? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1477 Registered: 8-2006 |
256 key syllogisms or whatnot?(Logic thingy) | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 459 Registered: 10-2004 |
title relevant? perpendicularly Not sure I understand but no doubt that will become clear... The title could be relevent if you decide to try and solve the puzzle that way. But it in itself is another puzzle. Nothing in the title itself (as it stands) is relevent. is Artwork relevant? music? this literature? Plagarism? yessish inspiration? yes Real-life? {yope} book? movie? Press? song? picture? FYOI? yope It's more a postulative or counter-factual puzzle. So look for real-life events, but the puzzle is deeper than that... Alex319 (Alex319) Is it relevant that 256 = 2 to the 8th power? noish The number of possible values for a byte? irr Are computers relevant at all? no | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 460 Registered: 10-2004 |
256 key syllogisms or whatnot?(Logic thingy) no | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 554 Registered: 6-2001 |
Classical music? A particular composer? Folk music? Rock? R&B? Country? Jazz? A particular work? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 461 Registered: 10-2004 |
Classical music? yes A particular composer? yessish Folk music? Rock? R&B? Country? Jazz? A particular work? yes | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 565 Registered: 6-2001 |
Handel? Mozart? Schubert? Liszt? Bach? Beethoven? Saint Saens? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 462 Registered: 10-2004 |
Handel? Mozart? Schubert? Liszt? Bach? Beethoven? Saint Saens? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 569 Registered: 6-2001 |
So 'tis a work of Mozart that concerns us.... Is it a well known one? Does Salieri play any part in this? The Magic Flute? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 606 Registered: 6-2007 |
what is taught about a subject? would it fall under the category of a standard acedemic subject? musical category? is "what is taught" history? folklore? is it taught in any text? is it taught with verbal lesson? instruction? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 464 Registered: 10-2004 |
So 'tis a work of Mozart that concerns us.... indeed Is it a well known one? yope Does Salieri play any part in this? no The Magic Flute? no what is taught about a subject? ? would it fall under the category of a standard acedemic subject? not likely musical category? yope is "what is taught" history? folklore? more this is it taught in any text? probably not any academic texts, but I've seen it written on more than one occasion is it taught with verbal lesson? yes instruction? no | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1039 Registered: 3-2006 |
Does this involve: The so-called 'Mozart effect'? The story that Mozart was able to write down entire works on a single hearing [the famous example often given is Allegri's Miserere, but then, that repeats itself so often that it isn't all that miraculous]? The story that Mozart conceived entire works in his head before writing them down? Is it relevant that Mozart was a child prodigy? A freemason? Anything to do with Fetis's theory of the omnitonic order? Are we looking for another composer who may or may not have plagiarised Mozart's work? Or for an older composer used as a model by Mozart? The relevant work of Mozart's: is it an opera? A chamber work? A symphony? A concerto? A work for solo piano? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 617 Registered: 6-2001 |
Ah Woodworm... I think you may be on to something.... vague memories whispering of a code hidden in One of his works...not more than that I'm afraid...but itwas along Da Vinci Code lines.... | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 465 Registered: 10-2004 |
Does this involve: The so-called 'Mozart effect'? no The story that Mozart was able to write down entire works on a single hearing [the famous example often given is Allegri's Miserere, but then, that repeats itself so often that it isn't all that miraculous]? no The story that Mozart conceived entire works in his head before writing them down? no Is it relevant that Mozart was a child prodigy? yes A freemason? no Anything to do with Fetis's theory of the omnitonic order? no Are we looking for another composer who may or may not have plagiarised Mozart's work? Or for an older composer used as a model by Mozart? yessish The relevant work of Mozart's: is it an opera? A chamber work? A symphony? A concerto? A work for solo piano? this | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 636 Registered: 6-2001 |
Without googling... is it a suggestion that Mozart didn't write one of his early pieces, but merely cleverly adjusted someone else's work so it seemed original? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 466 Registered: 10-2004 |
is it a suggestion that Mozart didn't write one of his early pieces, but merely cleverly adjusted someone else's work so it seemed original? yope - explore at this point the title could indeed provide some clues, though googling may be required... | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1499 Registered: 8-2006 |
Twinkle Twinkle little star-ABC song? LoL | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 469 Registered: 10-2004 |
Twinkle Twinkle little star-ABC song? LoL yes. In fact this puzzle is inspired by Superman's puzzle (: | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2113 Registered: 2-2001 |
So this is about the variations on the Twinkle Twinkle melody that Wolfie did? Or is that not accurate? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 474 Registered: 10-2004 |
So this is about the variations on the Twinkle Twinkle melody that Wolfie did? yes Or is that not accurate? | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 759 Registered: 6-2001 |
so did someone teach that Mozart composed twinkle twinkle... instead of the more accurate variations? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 479 Registered: 10-2004 |
so did someone teach that Mozart composed twinkle twinkle... yope instead of the more accurate variations? | ||
| Deathateaster (Deathateaster)
New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 55 Registered: 5-2007 |
Did they say someone wrote something that they didn't, and is widely regarded as that? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 487 Registered: 10-2004 |
Did they say someone wrote something that they didn't, and is widely regarded as that? yes, this is part of it | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1561 Registered: 8-2006 |
That Mozart wrote the ABC song? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 496 Registered: 10-2004 |
That Mozart wrote the ABC song? no Incidently, considering a puzzle has been posted about cryptic crosswords, can any one figure out the cryptic clue that is this puzzle's title? | ||
| Deathateaster (Deathateaster)
New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 103 Registered: 5-2007 |
MY cryptic puzzle puzzle? His artwork resembed 256 keys, all jumbled together... I'm good at making them, but no good solving! How many letters? I think the first bit is "heart". | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 499 Registered: 10-2004 |
MY cryptic puzzle puzzle? Yes, I thought the puzzles wee really good, but I'm no good at solving them either... His artwork resembed 256 keys, all jumbled together... I'm good at making them, but no good solving! this one is a lttle more abstract... How many letters? (1,#) which probably won't help much I think the first bit is "heart" no | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2240 Registered: 2-2001 |
Let's see - he wrote the variations as an adult, relevant that he was a child prodigy? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 506 Registered: 10-2004 |
Let's see - he wrote the variations as an adult, relevant that he was a child prodigy? yessish | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1067 Registered: 9-2003 |
for your cryptic title, is it relevant that resembed is spelt like that? any anagrams? if so is anagram everything before 256? all words before the comma? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 841 Registered: 6-2007 |
is "what is taught" this..? "[composition] was composed by [composer]" or similar? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 509 Registered: 10-2004 |
for your cryptic title, is it relevant that resembed is spelt like that? ah, no, sorry! any anagrams? yessish if so is anagram everything before 256? no all words before the comma? noish is "what is taught" this..? "[composition] was composed by [composer]" or similar? yes | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 846 Registered: 6-2007 |
is "what is taught" any of these? [Mozart Composition] was composed by [Another Composer]? [Composition] was composed by Mozart? [Mozart Composition] was composed by Mozart? is any traditional arrangement relevant? is a composer other than Mozart relevant? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 511 Registered: 10-2004 |
is "what is taught" any of these? [Mozart Composition] was composed by [Another Composer]? [Composition] was composed by Mozart? this [Mozart Composition] was composed by Mozart? and to a marginal degree this... is any traditional arrangement relevant? yessish is a composer other than Mozart relevant? no | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1652 Registered: 8-2006 |
I'm guessing the only relevant part of the title is 256 keys. Correct? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 513 Registered: 10-2004 |
I'm guessing the only relevant part of the title is 256 keys. Correct? yessish. As a hint, it's rather an abstract cryptic clue... | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 876 Registered: 6-2007 |
is "what is taught"..the melody of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star was composed by Mozart? is "what is taught"..the lyrics of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star were written by Mozart? are the lyrics relevant? other lyrics to the melody other than "Twinkle" relevant? "what is taught is usually".. is the same thing always taught? is what is taught sometimes not a lie? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 520 Registered: 10-2004 |
is "what is taught"..the melody of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star was composed by Mozart? yes is "what is taught"..the lyrics of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star were written by Mozart? no, but OTRT are the lyrics relevant? yes other lyrics to the melody other than "Twinkle" relevant? no "what is taught is usually".. is the same thing always taught? no, but irrelevent is what is taught sometimes not a lie? negative (questions with the word 'not' in them are hard to answer unambiguously...) | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 842 Registered: 4-2007 |
Completely jumping in here, but is what is taught that Mozart composed Twinkle Twinkle Little Star? Suggesting that he composed both music and lyrics, which is not the case? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 835 Registered: 4-2007 |
anything about the lyrics of the song? anything about the fact that the song says that stars are like diamonds in the sky? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 523 Registered: 10-2004 |
Completely jumping in here, but is what is taught that Mozart composed Twinkle Twinkle Little Star? yessish Suggesting that he composed both music and lyrics, which is not the case? no anything about the lyrics of the song? yes anything about the fact that the song says that stars are like diamonds in the sky? no | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 882 Registered: 6-2001 |
The things you learn doing these puzzles! Just checked and found that there are actually 5 verses to twinkle twinkle! Only knew the one before this... is the puzzle to do with the best known first verse, or one of the more obscure 4? Is it to do with the repetition of the twinkle twinkle lines? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 524 Registered: 10-2004 |
The things you learn doing these puzzles! Just checked and found that there are actually 5 verses to twinkle twinkle! Only knew the one before this... is the puzzle to do with the best known first verse, or one of the more obscure 4? Mainly the first, but the other four are indeed relevent also... Is it to do with the repetition of the twinkle twinkle lines? No... | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 889 Registered: 6-2001 |
Ok... so step by step... twinkle Twinkle Little Star? How I wonder..? Up above the world..? We've ruled out diamond in the sky and the repetition... | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 525 Registered: 10-2004 |
Ok... so step by step... twinkle Twinkle Little Star? no How I wonder..? no Up above the world..? no We've ruled out diamond in the sky and the repetition... no | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 526 Registered: 10-2004 |
Sorry for being ambiguous, '...diamond in the sky...' is not relevent | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2246 Registered: 2-2001 |
Original French lyrics relevant? That it was composed when Wolfie was four or five (but he wrote the variations as an adult)? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 842 Registered: 4-2007 |
maybe the fact that they call stars "little"? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 875 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is what is taught that the first verse was composed by someone other than the composer of the other verses? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 843 Registered: 4-2007 |
ok, sorry to google (I love music, but I don't know ins and outs of music), but I also just found out (wikipedia) that 256 designates the frequency of Middle C in hertz--is this relevant? and from more googling, I think Twinkle Twinkle starts out in Middle C? crazy guesses or on the right track? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 527 Registered: 10-2004 |
Original French lyrics relevant? no... That it was composed when Wolfie was four or five (but he wrote the variations as an adult)? Yes maybe the fact that they call stars "little"? no Is what is taught that the first verse was composed by someone other than the composer of the other verses? no ok, sorry to google (I love music, but I don't know ins and outs of music), but I also just found out (wikipedia) that 256 designates the frequency of Middle C in hertz--is this relevant? HA! No it isn't. I completely forgot that! and from more googling, I think Twinkle Twinkle starts out in Middle C? crazy guesses or on the right track? It does in fact, but no this isn't relevent. Though I wish it was... 'cause now my title looks even better! | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 907 Registered: 6-2007 |
Is any misconception that Mozart wrote the variations as a child relevant? so when you say "usually a lie" it means.. when it is taught that Mozart was the original composer of the melody of "Twinkle.." it is a lie? when it is taught that Mozart wrote variations on the melody of "Twinkle.."it is not a lie? if you look up Twinkle Twinkle Little Star in wikipedia, does it contain a lie? When you say "lie" does it meant that the one who is teaching knows the truth yet tells it another way? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 530 Registered: 10-2004 |
Is any misconception that Mozart wrote the variations as a child relevant? yessish so when you say "usually a lie" it means.. when it is taught that Mozart was the original composer of the melody of "Twinkle.." it is a lie? yes when it is taught that Mozart wrote variations on the melody of "Twinkle.."it is not a lie? no, it would not be a lie to say that he composed the variations if you look up Twinkle Twinkle Little Star in wikipedia, does it contain a lie? not as far as I am aware. When you say "lie" does it meant that the one who is teaching knows the truth yet tells it another way? no. Lie just refers to an untruth. Not necessarily purposefully given | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1538 Registered: 6-2001 |
Did the lyrics come into existence later than the music? later than Mozart's variations? some time in between? Scintillate, scintillate globule vivific, Fain would I fathom thy nature specific, Loftily posed in ether capacious, Strongly resembling a gem carbonaceous. | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 851 Registered: 4-2007 |
did someone think/say, that Mozart had written the lyrics to twinkle twinkle as well as the tune/variations? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 531 Registered: 10-2004 |
Did the lyrics come into existence later than the music? yes later than Mozart's variations? yes some time in between? no Scintillate, scintillate globule vivific, Fain would I fathom thy nature specific, Loftily posed in ether capacious, Strongly resembling a gem carbonaceous. vey nice :^) did someone think/say, that Mozart had written the lyrics to twinkle twinkle as well as the tune/variations? no | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1095 Registered: 9-2003 |
I'm not sure what we're looking for here any more, so just to recap really Mozart didn't write the original? just the variations? and someone else later added the lyrics? were there original lyrics? the french ones mentioned above? do we need more info on the original tune? original lyrics? one/more of mozarts variation(s)? other lyrics? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 535 Registered: 10-2004 |
I'm not sure what we're looking for here any more, so just to recap really ok Mozart didn't write the original? correct just the variations? yes and someone else later added the lyrics? yes were there original lyrics? irrelevent the french ones mentioned above? irrelevent do we need more info on the original tune? no original lyrics? no one/more of mozarts variation(s)? not really other lyrics? noish All the really relevent information has already been gathered. The only thing left to do is try and figure out how it applies to the puzzle statement. In particular, how is it fortunate that it is a 'lie' to say that Mozart composed 'Twinkle Twinkle, Little Star'? | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1098 Registered: 9-2003 |
is it fortunate for Mozart? for the song? do more people hear about Mozart because of it? does the song get more interest etc because its connected with mozart? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1688 Registered: 8-2006 |
Relevant that he didn't name the piece, but it was within a much longer piece? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 538 Registered: 10-2004 |
~damia~: is it fortunate for Mozart? irr for the song? yes do more people hear about Mozart because of it? irr does the song get more interest etc because its connected with mozart? irr Crazypalpig: Relevant that he didn't name the piece, but it was within a much longer piece? yessish - explore | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 893 Registered: 4-2007 |
relevant that people recognize the "twinkle twinkle" song when listening to the classical piece, even if they don't know much about classical music? maybe makes people feel more "classical music literate"? Regarding your title, I know Mozart's pieces are cataloged as K #, is this relevant? (though I daouble checked before posting, and I think k 256 is Clarice Cara; Variations on a Theme is K 265...) | ||
| Khaavren (Khaavren)
New member Username: Khaavren Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2007 |
Is 256 symbolic or directly representative of the relationship between Mozart and the original melody's composer? between Mozart and the composer of the lyrics? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 540 Registered: 10-2004 |
relevant that people recognize the "twinkle twinkle" song when listening to the classical piece, even if they don't know much about classical music? maybe makes people feel more "classical music literate"? no Regarding your title, I know Mozart's pieces are cataloged as K #, is this relevant? (though I daouble checked before posting, and I think k 256 is Clarice Cara; Variations on a Theme is K 265...) Yes indeed, The title was refering to K. 265 which is "Ah! Vous Dirae Ja Marman" otherwise known as Twinkle Twinlke Little Star, Theme and Variatons. Is 256 symbolic or directly representative of the relationship between Mozart and the original melody's composer? between Mozart and the composer of the lyrics?see above | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1724 Registered: 8-2006 |
Finally! Was it taught that Mozart wrote the song by itself, without its variations? Are any of the lyrics relevant? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 541 Registered: 10-2004 |
Finally! Was it taught that Mozart wrote the song by itself, without its variations? not quite, though keep it in mind... Are any of the lyrics relevant? yes | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1043 Registered: 6-2005 |
Did he write music that was very similar and just put different lyrics to it? Did somebody borrow his piece(s) and put lyrics to them? Is this about an elaborate plagerism scheme? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 545 Registered: 10-2004 |
Did he write music that was very similar and just put different lyrics to it? no Did somebody borrow his piece(s) and put lyrics to them? no Is this about an elaborate plagerism scheme? no I think a recap is in order. All the elements of this puzzle have actually been found out. It just really needs to be put together. >> RECAP << The piece of music is Ah! Vous Dirae ja Marman which was originally written when Mozart was five. This piece is known now as Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star. However, we also know that at the age of 25 Mozart wrote K.265 Ah! Vous Dirae ja Marman: Theme and Variations for piano, and that as such it has been incorrectly taught that Mozart wrote twinkle twinkle at the age of five, as a 'morality' story, or how much of a genius Mozart was. The Lyrics are also relevent. The fact that Twinkle Twinkle was written with more than one verse is also relevent. The Question; however, remains: 'Why is it that it could be seen as fortunate that Mozart did not write Twinkle Twinkle Little Star? As a side note, I realised the other day that my reply to Booklover's post on october 24th is in fact wrong. 256Hz isn't middle C: Assuming we are in A440 - middle C is 261.626 Hz. And in Mozart's time, he would've used baroque pitch, i.e A 415. Assuming equal temprement (ET-12) then middle C would in fact be 246.761 Hz. Also, whilst Twinkle Twinkle starts on middle C (C4), Theme and Variations does not. It starts on C5 in the right hand and C3 in the left! | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 996 Registered: 6-2007 |
Is the answer something to do with copyright? Is it fortunate because If Mozart had written Twinkle Twinkle Little Star then all performances and usage thereof would require permission? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 935 Registered: 4-2007 |
ok--trying for relevant lyrics stanza by stanza: Twinkle, twinkle, little star, How I wonder what you are! Up above the world so high, Like a diamond in the sky. Twinkle, twinkle, little star, How I wonder what you are! Any of this stanza relevant? When the blazing sun is gone, When he nothing shines upon, Then you show your little light, Twinkle, twinkle, all the night. Twinkle, twinkle, little star, How I wonder what you are! Any of this stanza relevant? Then the trav'ler in the dark Thanks you for your tiny spark; How could he see where to go, If you did not twinkle so? Twinkle, twinkle, little star, How I wonder what you are! Any of this stanza relevant? In the dark blue sky you keep, and Through my curtains often peep, For you never shut your eyes, Till the morning sun does rise. Twinkle, twinkle, little star, How I wonder what you are! Any of this stanza relevant? As your bright and tiny spark Lights the trav'ler in the dark, Though I know not what you are, Twinkle on, please, little star. Twinkle, twinkle, little star, How I wonder what you are! Any of this stanza relevant? | ||
| Deathateaster (Deathateaster)
New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 150 Registered: 5-2007 |
Is it something to do with that the stars "go away" when the sun rises is false, and that they stay (you can't see them over the sunlight?) ? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 548 Registered: 10-2004 |
Is the answer something to do with copyright? no Is it fortunate because If Mozart had written Twinkle Twinkle Little Star then all performances and usage thereof would require permission? no -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ok--trying for relevant lyrics stanza by stanza: no to all, slight FA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is it something to do with that the stars "go away" when the sun rises is false, and that they stay (you can't see them over the sunlight?) ? no | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1756 Registered: 8-2006 |
I think I got it: Is it taught that the number of stanzas are the number of variations? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 550 Registered: 10-2004 |
I think I got it: Is it taught that the number of stanzas are the number of variations? no but very much on the right track | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1067 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is it the number of measures in the song that's wrong? Is it the measure order? Music order? Verse order? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 557 Registered: 10-2004 |
Is it the number of measures in the song that's wrong? Is it the measure order? Music order? Verse order? no to all - we've already figured out what was wrong, check the recap above | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1101 Registered: 6-2005 |
Oops... um, reason it's fortunate he didn't write Twinkle Twinkle... Because it would have been a creepy heralding of his death? Because he might have wound up writing other children's songs for the rest of his short life instead of some of his better work? Because then his work would have been encouraged to be even more repetative than it already is? Because it would have colored people's opinions of him? Because it would have caused him to act differently than he otherwise would have? Something completely different? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 560 Registered: 10-2004 |
Oops... um, reason it's fortunate he didn't write Twinkle Twinkle... Because it would have been a creepy heralding of his death? nice thought, but no Because he might have wound up writing other children's songs for the rest of his short life instead of some of his better work? Because then his work would have been encouraged to be even more repetative than it already is? Because it would have colored people's opinions of him? Because it would have caused him to act differently than he otherwise would have? Something completely different? this | ||
| Tsoram1970 (Tsoram1970)
New member Username: Tsoram1970 Post Number: 956 Registered: 6-2001 |
bearing in mind that mozart was Austrian.. do we need to put the lyrics into German for them to be relevant? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1106 Registered: 6-2005 |
What is taught is a lie, but this is probably fortunate... Fortunate because... otherwise you would have lost a game of trivial persuit? Does the fact that Trivial Persuit attributes the song to Mozart have anything to do with this puzzle? Does the fact that the tune inspired other works by other composers have anything to with this puzzle? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 562 Registered: 10-2004 |
bearing in mind that mozart was Austrian.. do we need to put the lyrics into German for them to be relevant? no, forunately :^) Fortunate because... otherwise you would have lost a game of trivial persuit? no Does the fact that Trivial Persuit attributes the song to Mozart have anything to do with this puzzle? no. But this come's into 'being taught' Does the fact that the tune inspired other works by other composers have anything to with this puzzle? no | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1133 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is what is taught fortunate because... ...we'd otherwise have to give credit to the French? And that's always bad, right? Does the reason it's fortunate have something to do with... the person who wrote it? the person who didn't write it (Mozart)? The nationality of the song? The music itself? Your relationship with this fact? The general knowledge and education of the world? Something related to locations? professions? Music? | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1788 Registered: 8-2006 |
Hmmm I think we're straying from the solution, right? How many variations? Is the fact that not the variations are taught relevant? Do they think they can sing the words to the variations? | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 568 Registered: 10-2004 |
Is what is taught fortunate because... ...we'd otherwise have to give credit to the French? no And that's always bad, right? Does the reason it's fortunate have something to do with... the person who wrote it? no the person who didn't write it (Mozart)? no The nationality of the song? no The music itself? yes Your relationship with this fact? ?? The general knowledge and education of the world? somewhat... Something related to locations? professions? yessish Music? yes Crazypalpig: Hmmm I think we're straying from the solution, right? it's like a complicated dance... How many variations? irr (unfortunately) Is the fact that not the variations are taught relevant? yes Do they think they can sing the words to the variations? YES! The final piece: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, this puzzle was a little silly, but when thinking of questions for Superman's ABC song puzzle, i got thinking about the tune. Now I remember reading in an encyclopedia for children (backed up by Trivial Pursuit) that Mozart wrote Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star. So I looked up Twinkle Twinkle on Wikipedia and found some interesting facts: Firstly, Mozart's variations were on an older, traditional French song: Ah, Vous Dirae Ja Marmam (which is certainly not a children's song). Secondly, he certainly didn't write it when he was five. Thirdly, it is therefore more likely that the english version of Twinkle Twinkle was based on the original tune. And forthly, the English version has more than one verse. I thought, "Wouldn't've been interesting if it had been the other way round? What would've happened if Mozart's variations were the root of Twinkle Twinkle?" If you were to sing Twinkle Twinkle to the piano arrangement of K.265: There'd be twelve verses, and the soprano line would go over three octaves, the basses would need to reach the G below bottom G, and all parts would need to trill in time. Even if you arranged it for a choir, it would be very impressive. But again, it wouldn't be a children's song. On the other hand, even if it were the case, verse one would still be the tune. I suppose therefore, everyone would just learn verse one, and we'd be back to where we started from... | ||
| Zenith (Zenith)
New member Username: Zenith Post Number: 569 Registered: 10-2004 |
spoiler ... | ||
| Crazypalpig (Crazypalpig)
New member Username: Crazypalpig Post Number: 1790 Registered: 8-2006 |
Wahoo! I finished solving one! It was a great puzzle, now I will try to direct my mind to your other once you answer Qs |
