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When I was very young, I watched a film which was intended for my age group and which could not be said to have any age-inappropriate content at all. Despite this, it has had a lasting effect on me that has continued to this day and is unlikely ever to go away entirely. This effect is so deeply ingrained on me that until recently I didn't realise it was the film that had caused it.
What did the film do to me??
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Bambi?
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Bambi? No, though that warped me too...
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Fantasia?

What decade was the movie made in? 60's? 70's? 80's?

When did you see the film? When a toddler? 4? 6? 8? 10? 12? early teens? late teens? older?

Was it a Disney movie? Was it an animated movie?
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Was the effect something that made you believe something was true, or true for all practical purposes?

Was the effect something that caused you to be cautious, or even afraid, of something you normally wouldn't?

Was the effect something that altered your behavior slightly?
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Did it trigger some sort of ocular defect? A hearing problem? Did you watch it in a cinema? Was the effect caused by that particular viewing at that particular time, or would it have happened on any viewing of the film at any time? Did the film contain any associations with your personal or family life at the time? In the light of what happened, would you say that the film is dangerous for other children? Would there be a case for re-classifying the film because of this effect? Is the music of the film relevant?
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did you watch the film in a theater? in a home? in school? on the tv?
did it have any parts where you would cover your eyes? ears?
are there actors? is there real footage? any animation?
are you content with the effect of the movie? would you rather be living without the effects?

is any aspect of your lifestyle relevant? career? pastime? hobby? interests?
are other movies relevant?
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Tweek
Fantasia? No

What decade was the movie made in? 60's? 70's? 80's? 80's

When did you see the film? When a toddler? 4? 6? 8? 10? 12? early teens? late teens? older? Must have been some time before the age of 5, can't remember exactly how old I was when I first saw it

Was it a Disney movie? Was it an animated movie? Yes to both

Was the effect something that made you believe something was true, or true for all practical purposes? No

Was the effect something that caused you to be cautious kinda, or even afraid I wouldn't go this far, of something you normally wouldn't?

Was the effect something that altered your behavior slightly? Perhaps very slightly

Woodworm
Did it trigger some sort of ocular defect? A hearing problem? Neither
Did you watch it in a cinema? In actual fact I watched it on video, but that's irrelevant
Was the effect caused by that particular viewing at that particular time, or would it have happened on any viewing of the film at any time? I doubt the effect would have occurred if I hadn't been so young, but other than that, it could have happened any time
Did the film contain any associations with your personal or family life at the time? No
In the light of what happened, would you say that the film is dangerous for other children? No
Would there be a case for re-classifying the film because of this effect? No
Is the music of the film relevant? No

Sixtyeight
did you watch the film in a theater? in a home? in school? on the tv? On video, but irrelevant - the effect would have occurred wherever I watched it
did it have any parts where you would cover your eyes? ears? There were some parts that were scary to me as a young child

are there actors? voice actors, see next question
is there real footage? no
any animation? entirely animation
are you content with the effect of the movie? I'm OK with it
would you rather be living without the effects? I suppose it would be slightly better to not have the effects, but it doesn't really bother me

is any aspect of your lifestyle relevant? no
career? pastime? hobby? interests? none
are other movies relevant? no, though my viewing of other movies may be affected by this effect
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ok Disney.. easy..(lol).. any of these rel?
loss of a parent?
loss of a child?
Danger?
wild animals?
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Fox and the Hound?

A lot of early Disney movies build up suspense right before flashing some 'bad guy' on screen. The effect usually works, sometimes too well on kids. Anything similar?

Or was 'the effect' more related to the plot?
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ok Disney.. easy..(lol).. any of these rel?
loss of a parent? No
loss of a child? No
Danger? Yes, indirectly
wild animals? Again, indirectly

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Fox and the Hound? No

A lot of early Disney movies build up suspense right before flashing some 'bad guy' on screen. The effect usually works, sometimes too well on kids. Anything similar? Not really

Or was 'the effect' more related to the plot? Yope
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The Little Mermaid?

Were you able to understand entirely what was going on in the movie? Were you to watch the movie today, would you find inconsistencies between your interpretation at 5 and your interpretation today, that are relevant to this puzzle?

Are you cautious of things? animals? that are represented in this movie, that are portrayed with human characteristics (can talk, sing, etc.)? Are you cautious of situations depicted in this movie?
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The Little Mermaid? Yes!

Were you able to understand entirely what was going on in the movie? Yes
Were you to watch the movie today, would you find inconsistencies between your interpretation at 5 and your interpretation today, that are relevant to this puzzle? No, this is not the issue here

Are you cautious of things? no
animals? yesish
that are represented in this movie, that are portrayed with human characteristics (can talk, sing, etc.)? but not this
Cautious is probably too strong a word, I'm old enough now to not let this affect my life. There's a better word for it.
Are you cautious of situations depicted in this movie? No, though I'd think twice before making deals with evil sea witches :-)
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Subliminal messages relevant?

Animals: fish? mermaid? human? octopus? something that can swim?
They aren't in the movie as a character? but they make an appearance? or are referred to?

Is it more nostalgic? Are you reminded of being afraid, or cautious, or whatever, of this thing every time you see it?
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Subliminal messages relevant? No

Animals: fish? mermaid? human? octopus? something that can swim? The things I am cautious of? Humans
They aren't in the movie as a character? but they make an appearance? or are referred to? yesish

Is it more nostalgic? Are you reminded of being afraid This, or cautious, or whatever, of this thing every time you see it? Yes, though it's more subconscious than simply being reminded
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From what little I remember of that movie, everyone is afraid of humans above the water for whatever reason, and there are probably a couple of scenes that develop that. Is that relevant?

Specific type of human I'd guess? Sailors? Fishermen? Priests?
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I never watched the Little Mermaid, although I do know it was one of my daughter's favourite movie at one point, but I took both children to see the Lion King which was a U, and was horrified at how many children were crying at the scary parts. I felt a real sense of menace in it and felt that it should have been a PG. But I did love the songs :-)
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From what little I remember of that movie, everyone is afraid of humans above the water for whatever reason, and there are probably a couple of scenes that develop that. Is that relevant? No

Specific type of human I'd guess? Yes(ish) Sailors? Fishermen? Priests? No to all

Lynne...I see what you mean, the Little Mermaid did actually scare me quite a lot when I was young. As did the Lion King.
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If the Disney version was read to you from a book without pictures would it have had the same effect?
or did you need the animation for the effect?
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If the Disney version was read to you from a book without pictures would it have had the same effect? Perhaps
or did you need the animation for the effect? I'm not really sure. It is relevant that the film was frightening to me as a child, and probably it would have been less frightening if just read as a book, but in theory a book could have had the same effect
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I'm not sure if I can help seeing as I've never seen, or have want to see, the little Mermaid. I'll stick with Star Trek ;)

Specific type meaning people having a specific job? Were you constantly scared of bankers or people like that?
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I'm not sure if I can help seeing as I've never seen, or have want to see, the little Mermaid. I'll stick with Star Trek ;) Really? You're missing out! ;-) However, an indepth knowledge of the film is not really required except to get the last few details, so you should be fine.

Specific type meaning people having a specific job? Not this Were you constantly scared of bankers or people like that? No
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Humans. As in, non-mythological, average humans? Or as in, mythological humanoids, like mermen or sea octopus witch things?

Were they actually on the screen at one point? few seconds? few minutes? did the plot revolve around them? refer to them?

If there was a scene or small bit of the film that included them, was it intentionally set up to scare the audience a bit? grab their attention?

I remember reading something about Disney kids movies. They aren't always at Barney-ish levels of inanity - there's always some type of conflict, and they're often set up specifically to scare kids at some point, but not too much. Maybe that's why they're so successful?
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Humans. As in, non-mythological, average humans? This, but may be misleading...it's not exactly humans themselves...
Or as in, mythological humanoids, like mermen or sea octopus witch things? No

Were they actually on the screen at one point? No few seconds? few minutes? did the plot revolve around them?
refer to them? Yesish

If there was a scene or small bit of the film that included them, was it intentionally set up to scare the audience a bit? grab their attention? N/A

I remember reading something about Disney kids movies. They aren't always at Barney-ish levels of inanity - there's always some type of conflict, and they're often set up specifically to scare kids at some point, but not too much. Maybe that's why they're so successful? Well, I find a lot of Disney movies still hold up to viewing at this age...so you may well have a point there
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Were the mermaids / mermen / whatever the hell else, along with the token romantic interest of third-party marketable main character, referring to some object that some humans use?
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are you a vegetarian?
don't eat fish?
similar?
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Were the mermaids / mermen / whatever the hell else, along with the token romantic interest of third-party marketable main character, referring to some object that some humans use? No

are you a vegetarian?
don't eat fish?
similar? No to all, though this is a very good thought
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It's not humans in particular?

But a particular kind of human activity? Such as pollution, offshore oil drilling, etc.?
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It's not humans in particular? It's a particulay "type" (for want of a better word) of human

But a particular kind of human activity? Such as pollution, offshore oil drilling, etc.? No
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A certain subclass of humans? With some immediate visually distinguishing feature?

Merely affecting appearance? More functional, such as prosthetic limbs?

Or more to do with a particular behavior of humans?
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A certain subclass of humans? Yes, though it's not so much the humans as the characteristic they share
With some immediate visually distinguishing feature? No

Merely affecting appearance? More functional, such as prosthetic limbs? Neither

Or more to do with a particular behavior of humans? Not this either
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Men?
Women???
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Does it relate to something they do? something they're likely to do?

Are these humans able to control this characteristic? Would you be able to ask someone to stop doing whatever it is that makes you nervous, kind of? (I'm expecting FA) Is it an inherited trait?

What's your apprehension (as a kid), were you slightly expecting something positive? something negative?
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Were you afraid that you or other people would lose your voice?
Or that people you knew might inexplicably transform into merpeople without warning?
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Oh, yeah, I remember that movie now, you thought that deaf people could somehow regain their voice.
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Err, mute. Disregard above, though deaf kinda works too.
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Men?
Women??? This, but not all women

Tweek
Does it relate to something they do? something they're likely to do? Neither

Are these humans able to control this characteristic? They could, in theory, but they're not going to do it just because of a film I watched as a kid
Would you be able to ask someone to stop doing whatever it is that makes you nervous, kind of? (I'm expecting FA)erm, yes, FA and also see answer to previous question
Is it an inherited trait? No

What's your apprehension (as a kid), were you slightly expecting something positive? something negative? The association with the characteristic in my mind was negative, if that's what you mean

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Were you afraid that you or other people would lose your voice? No
Or that people you knew might inexplicably transform into merpeople without warning? No

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Oh, yeah, I remember that movie now, you thought that deaf people could somehow regain their voice.
Err, mute. Disregard above, though deaf kinda works too. This is not it
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I was almost positive that the deaf thing would work.

Women that in some way mimic characteristics of Ariel, a mermaid?

Something they're wearing? doing? saying?
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I was almost positive that the deaf thing would work. Sorry...it was a good try, but surely I would know by now that it's not true?

Women that in some way mimic characteristics of Ariel, a mermaid? No

Something they're wearing? doing? saying? None
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There are no women on screen at all in the film with this characteristic? Is it accurate to call it a 'characteristic'?

But the film is the direct reason for your kinda apprehension that isn't really there anymore?

Did any of the musical numbers trigger it? the main plot, and none of the extra effects, which from Wikipedia seems to be about a mermaid that comes to the surface to find True Love(tm)? any of the small details? any 'boss fight' sequences? any of the third-party marketable minor characters added for comedic relief, like that damn flounder fish that my sister still probably has a plush doll of somewhere?
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There are no women on screen at all in the film with this characteristic? Hmm, this is very difficult to answer, but I'd say yope
Is it accurate to call it a 'characteristic'? Yes, though there's a much more accurate term for it

But the film is the direct reason for your kinda apprehension that isn't really there anymore? Yes

Did any of the musical numbers trigger it? the main plot, and none of the extra effects, which from Wikipedia seems to be about a mermaid that comes to the surface to find True Love(tm)? any of the small details? any 'boss fight' sequences? any of the third-party marketable minor characters added for comedic relief, like that damn flounder fish that my sister still probably has a plush doll of somewhere? Not these, but otherwise the plot and film in general and one detail in particular
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Do you not know whether there are women ever on the screen? Did you think there were as a kid, but realize that there weren't, but think that there might still be at least one later?

If you told me what it was, right now, and I were to sit through all 90 minutes of it, and by some miracle not claw my eyes out with a fork halfway in, would I be able to very clearly tell whether there were or weren't?
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Do you not know whether there are women ever on the screen? It's not that I don't know...
Did you think there were as a kid, but realize that there weren't, but think that there might still be at least one later? No

If you told me what it was, right now, and I were to sit through all 90 minutes of it, and by some miracle not claw my eyes out with a fork halfway in, would I be able to very clearly tell whether there were or weren't? You'd have the same problem I do...OK, hint time:

Although the people I am kinda apprehensive of are women, the thing in the film that triggered this apprehension is not exactly a woman...
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ok, couple of ideas (though i haven't seen the film in a number of years--and I was an adult or young adult when I saw the film, so no lasting effects on me--that I know of!)

anything to do with the fact that you didn't see women on the film? maybe saw ariel's father and were confused about the lack of females or mothers?

anything to do with ursula (I think she is an octopus, but very womanly)--anything that she said or did?

anything about what you have to do (or thought you had to do) to snag a man?
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ok, couple of ideas (though i haven't seen the film in a number of years--and I was an adult or young adult when I saw the film, so no lasting effects on me--that I know of!)

anything to do with the fact that you didn't see women on the film? maybe saw ariel's father and were confused about the lack of females or mothers? Not this

anything to do with ursula YES!! (for those who haven't seen the film,Ursula is the "baddy")
(I think she is an octopus, but very womanly)--anything that she said or did? Nothing specific that she said or did

anything about what you have to do (or thought you had to do) to snag a man? No
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Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do you think of an octopus whenever you see someone in drag...?

Anything to do with a voice-stealing necklace?

Do specific names trigger this effect, like those referred to in the movie?

Is there some detail in the film that we need to point to? or is knowing that Ursula is the villain enough to solve this?
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Do you think of an octopus whenever you see someone in drag...? No...

Anything to do with a voice-stealing necklace? No

Do specific names trigger this effect, like those referred to in the movie? YES! Well on the way now.

Is there some detail in the film that we need to point to? or is knowing that Ursula is the villain enough to solve this? That's enough
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Flotsam? Jetsam? Ursula? Vanessa? (I'm reading straight from Wikipedia)
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Flotsam? Jetsam? Ursula? Vanessa? (I'm reading straight from Wikipedia) :-)...it's Ursula
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Seems like kind of a weird name ... but, whenever you see or hear the name 'Ursula', you think back to that movie, and of the octopus villain? which makes your first impression of that person, character or whatever a negative one?

Wikipedia also shows Ursula as the first Bond girl and some character in a sitcom. Relevant?

Is this somewhat related to how Disney seems to pull character names from pretty much anything? e.g., Iago (the parrot) in Aladdin
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Seems like kind of a weird name ... but, whenever you see or hear the name 'Ursula', you think back to that movie, and of the octopus villain? which makes your first impression of that person, character or whatever a negative one? Kinda, but I don't exactly form a negative impression of the person...it's more simple than that.

Wikipedia also shows Ursula as the first Bond girl and some character in a sitcom. Relevant? No, except I think probably the sitcom character is where I first encountered he name Ursula (after the Little Mermaid)

Is this somewhat related to how Disney seems to pull character names from pretty much anything? e.g., Iago (the parrot) in Aladdin No, where Disney got the name from is not relevant
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You watched the sitcom, you heard the name 'Ursula', and were half-expecting some drag queen octopus thing to walk into the room?
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so, when you hear the name Ursuala, you sort of shudder and think, "ugh!" (thinking back on the character)?
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You watched the sitcom, you heard the name 'Ursula', and were half-expecting some drag queen octopus thing to walk into the room? No, nothing this extreme...

so, when you hear the name Ursuala, you sort of shudder and think, "ugh!" (thinking back on the character)? Kinda, but again not that extreme...I'm not really sure whether to $poil or not, since the answer is so simple and you probably already know it but are just over complicating the issue...I'll $poil later today if nobody hits the nail on the head
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ok, last try before I have to leave this morning--whenever you hear the name Ursula, you think of the character on Little Mermaid--no ugh or anything, just thinking about the character?
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ok, last try before I have to leave this morning--whenever you hear the name Ursula, you think of the character on Little Mermaid--no ugh or anything, just thinking about the character? Yes,and the result of this is...?
(remember I said the result is never likely to go away. I'm old enough now that I wouldn't treat people differently just because they're called Ursula, so what is the lingering effect?)
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Are there any relevant songs in the film? hearing the name makes you start singing a song with the name "ursula" in it?
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Are there any relevant songs in the film? hearing the name makes you start singing a song with the name "ursula" in it? No... I'm going to spoil now, since I'm not going to be able to answer questions for the next few days and it's silly to drag it out since everyone has come so close.

***** SPOILER *****
When I was young and impressionable, I watched The Little Mermaid. Although it was suitable for my age group, I found some parts quite frightening, especially the character of the sea witch Ursula. The lasting effect has been, quite simply, that I dislike Ursula as a name. Since it's a pretty uncommon name, I never really thought about this until I was watching the sitcom Friends, in which a character has an evil twin called Ursula. It occurred to me that Ursula was a suitable name for that character, since to me it is an "ugly" name (no offence to any Ursulas here!). It wasn't until later that I really thought about why this was, but I realised that it was because of the villain in the film that I hadn't watched in about 10 years. Althoug it doesn't affect my life negatively, I probably will never get over my dislike of the name (fortunately I have never met any real life Ursulas, but I hope if I did I wouldn't treat them differently because they happened to have the same name as the character!!)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good one! Did you know that Lisa Kudrow, who played both Phoebe and Ursula Buffay on Friends, also played Ursula on the sitcom Mad About You? She was a ditzy waitress and had a recurring role in the show. (If you watched Mad About You, you would have found out your dislike for the name a couple of years earlier!)
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Really? I've never really watched Mad About You...just the odd episode. And Ursula is a waitress in Friends too, so...
Thanks for playing!
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Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 8:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For the same reason I decided not to name my daughter Cruella de Vil!!

Nice puzzle..
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:D Thanks!

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