| Author | Message | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 885 Registered: 6-2007 |
Learning a couple of words could have saved his life. | ||
| Tweek (Tweek)
New member Username: Tweek Post Number: 173 Registered: 3-2004 |
Throw me the idol, I throw you the whip. | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 913 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did he die? Is he H/A/M? Did he die by murder? By accident? Were those words from a foreign language? Relevant where it happens? When it happens? Any other persons involved? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3427 Registered: 12-2000 |
Don't shoot? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 887 Registered: 6-2007 |
Throw me the idol, I throw you the whip.no Did he die? yes Is he H/A/M?yes Did he die by murder?yope By accident? no Were those words from a foreign language? that gets about 3 SVV Flags.. explore :]Relevant where it happens?yesish When it happens? yesish Any other persons involved?yes Don't shoot?no | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 914 Registered: 9-2006 |
Suicide? Accidental murder? An animal is a killer? What are "SVV Flags"? How many other persons involved: 1? 2? 3? 4? Geographical location (such as, which continent, country) relevant? Scenery (bulding, wilderness) relevant? Historical time period relevant? Chronological time period (what month, time of day...) relevant? True story? Film? Book? Game? FYOI? Any misunderstandings involved? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 915 Registered: 9-2006 |
The words: are they actually non-verbal signals (such as gestures)? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 889 Registered: 6-2007 |
Suicide? yes Accidental murder? An animal is a killer? What are "SVV Flags"? there are 3 occurrences of vague word use in the original question How many other persons involved: 1?this 2? 3? 4? Geographical location (such as, which continent, country) relevant?yes Scenery (bulding, wilderness this ) relevant? Historical time period relevant? yesChronological time period (what month, time of daynot this...) relevant? yes True story?this Film?could be Book?this Game? FYOI? Any misunderstandings involved?yesish The words: are they actually non-verbal signals\b (such as gestures{yes})? I think you're about to wrap this up!!!! | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 916 Registered: 9-2006 |
Europe? Asia? Africa? North America? South America? Australia? Antarctica? Ancient times? Medieval times? XV century? XVI, XVII, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI? Can we call the suicidal man Alex? The other person: HAM? Are they Alex's friend? enemy? relative? employer? employee? teacher? co-worker? lover? stranger? Are the signals actual gestures? Did the other person give those signals? Did Alex misunderstand some signals gave to him by the other person? Is deafness involved? Is Alex a native to the country where this is happening? Is he a tourist visiting here? Same questions for the other person. Relevant how Alex killed himself? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 892 Registered: 6-2007 |
Europe? Asia? Africa? North America? thisSouth America? Australia? Antarctica? Ancient times? Medieval times? XV century? XVI, XVII, XVIII, XIX, XXthis, XXI? Can we call the suicidal man Alex? yes The other person: HAM?yes Are they Alex's friend? enemy? relative? employer? employee? teacher? co-worker? lover? stranger? this Are the signals actual gestures? yes Did the other person give those signals? no Did Alex misunderstand some signals gave to him by the other person? no Is deafness involved? no Is Alex a native to the country where this is happening? yes Is he a tourist visiting here? yope Same questions for the other person. yes / no Relevant how Alex killed himself? not very..you can explore if you want. | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 845 Registered: 4-2007 |
Hope these aren't too far off, but: so, they are both in North America? are they in the same countries? is Alex/man #2 in the US? in a relevant state? is Alex/man #2 in Canada? a relevant province? is Alex/man #2 in Mexico by any chance? did Alex cross the border/try to cross the border? was Alex born in the US? Canada? Mexico? did Alex speak English? Spanish? French? | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 917 Registered: 9-2006 |
Can they see each other? Are they aware of each other's presence? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 893 Registered: 6-2007 |
Hope these aren't too far off, but: so, they are both in North America? are they in the same countries? yes is Alex/man #2 in the US? yesin a relevant state? yes is Alex/man #2 in Canada? a relevant province? is Alex/man #2 in Mexico by any chance? did Alex cross the border/try to cross the border? no to rest was Alex born in the US? thisCanada? Mexico? did Alex speak English? Spanish? French?irrel. some of these facts are only relevant as a part of a true story. They are not necessarily relevant to puzzle solving | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 894 Registered: 6-2007 |
Can they see each other? Are they aware of each other's presence?yes | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 846 Registered: 4-2007 |
relevant which nationality (caucasian/native american/etc) the men are? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 847 Registered: 4-2007 |
forgot to ask, jobs important? if so, important for both men? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 895 Registered: 6-2007 |
relevant which nationality (caucasian/native american/etc) the men are?no forgot to ask, jobs important?yes if so, important for both men?no | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 918 Registered: 9-2006 |
Which relevant: Alex's job? Man#2's job? | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 848 Registered: 4-2007 |
Relevant Jobs: artistic/musical/writer? Banking/financial/real estate? Clerical/Administrative? Computer related / Hardware ? Construction / Craftsman ? Education / Academic Research ? Entertainment / Media ? Executive / Management ? Hospitality / Travel ? Legal Services ? Manufacturing / Distributions ? Medical / Health Services ? Politics / Government / Military ? Sales / Marketing ? Technical / Science / Engineering ? Teaching / Child care? Transportation ? Food Service ? Sports? Entertainment? Jailbird / Criminal? Religion? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 896 Registered: 6-2007 |
Which relevant: Alex's job? Man#2's job? the man's.. just remember there is no man#1.. except for maybe Alex | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 897 Registered: 6-2007 |
Relevant Jobs: Man has a common job, but it seems to be missing from the list.. Government is closest but misleading I think | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 919 Registered: 9-2006 |
Law enforcement? Public transport? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 903 Registered: 6-2007 |
Law enforcement? this Public transport? | ||
| Bentarm (Bentarm)
New member Username: Bentarm Post Number: 1545 Registered: 6-2001 |
police officer? homicide detective? traffic? judge? private security? So was Alex a US citizen visiting a state of which he was not a native? Did Alex speak good English? did he know any American Sign language? Did Man #2 signal to Alex in any way? If so, would this have been in warning him about something? In telling him something? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 909 Registered: 6-2007 |
police officer? thishomicide detective? traffic? judge? private security? So was Alex a US citizen visiting a state of which he was not a native? no Did Alex speak good English? irrel did he know any American Sign language?irrel Did Man #2 signal to Alex in any way? no If so, would this have been in warning him about something? In telling him something? so no | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2262 Registered: 2-2001 |
I'm confuddled (not an unusual occurrence, I admit) - did Alex literally take his own life (e. g. shot/hung/jumped from a very high place/overdosed on something/slit wrists/drove off cliff etc.)? Or more do something stupid that resulted in his death? Was it "suicide by cop"? Method of death (shot/hanged/stabbed/bludgeoned etc.) relevant? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 935 Registered: 6-2007 |
I'm confuddled (not an unusual occurrence, I admit) - did Alex literally take his own life yes(e. g. shotthis/hung/jumped from a very high place/overdosed on something/slit wrists/drove off cliff etc.)? Or more do something stupid that resulted in his death?yope.. and more relevant than the former revelation Was it "suicide by cop"? Method of death (shot/hanged/stabbed/bludgeoned etc.) relevant?not at all | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2263 Registered: 2-2001 |
Was Alex engaged in criminal activity at the time? Was he goofing around? Drunk/high? Did he shoot himself with his own gun? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 938 Registered: 6-2007 |
Was Alex engaged in criminal activity at the time? Was he goofing around? Drunk/high?no to those Did he shoot himself with his own gun?yes | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 868 Registered: 4-2007 |
was it a premeditated suicided or accidental? (in other words, did alex want to take his own life)? if he wanted to take his own life, was it because he was afraid? did he think he was in a life threatening situation and thought suicide was the only way out? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 939 Registered: 6-2007 |
was it a premeditated suicidethisor accidental? (in other words, did alex want to take his own life)?yope.. it was intentional if he wanted to take his own life, was it because he was afraid? could bedid he think he was in a life threatening situation and thought suicide was the only way out?yope, it was better than the other death alternative | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 871 Registered: 4-2007 |
did Alex think the policeman was going to kill him, so he shot himself instead? did the policeman think that Alex was doing something illegal? criminal in nature? did the policeman call out to Alex? maybe said "Freeze" or "Come out with your hands up"? if so, did Alex not understand him? did he not know how to put his hands up? could he not put his hands up at that time for some reason? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 942 Registered: 6-2007 |
did Alex think the policeman was going to kill him, so he shot himself instead? no did the policeman think that Alex was doing something illegal? criminal in nature? no to both did the policeman call out to Alex?no maybe said "Freeze" or "Come out with your hands up"?no if so, did Alex not understand him? nodid he not know how to put his hands up? yes.. but not what your thinking about could he not put his hands up at that time for some reason?his hands were free to do anything | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 924 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did Alex think he was going to die? If yes, then did he think he was going to be shot? crushed? fallen to death? suffocated? injured? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 943 Registered: 6-2007 |
Did Alex think he was going to die? yesIf yes, then did he think he was going to be shot? crushed? fallen to death? suffocated? injured?none | ||
| Judgedeadd (Judgedeadd)
New member Username: Judgedeadd Post Number: 930 Registered: 9-2006 |
poisoned? starved? drowned? strangled? hanged? executed? electrocuted? beheaded? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 965 Registered: 6-2007 |
poisoned? starved?...this drowned? strangled? hanged? executed? electrocuted? beheaded? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 974 Registered: 6-2007 |
Hint... When Booklover posted on Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 12:59 am: "did he not know how to put his hands up?", ...I thought for a second that was a lateral leap! | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2299 Registered: 2-2001 |
So I'm getting the feeling that Alex decided to shoot himself because he believed he was going to starve to death and he preferred a quicker, less-painful death, is that correct? Was a police officer trying to indicate to him that he would be saved? And he misinterpreted it? Didn't understand it? Like the copper was pointing up, trying to get him to reach up and grab the bottom rung of the ladder hanging from the rescue hecillopter but he thought it meant something more like "make peace with G*d now, dude."? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 977 Registered: 6-2007 |
So I'm getting the feeling that Alex decided to shoot himself because he believed he was going to starve to death and he preferred a quicker, less-painful death, is that correct?yes Was a police officer trying to indicate to him that he would be saved?noish And he misinterpreted it?no Didn't understand it? Like the copper was pointing up, trying to get him to reach up and grab the bottom rung of the ladder hanging from the rescue hecillopter but he thought it meant something more like "make peace with G*d now, dude."? lol none of that, but I'll hint you that there is a relevant connection to another element of the puzzle that you inserted in your text there unbeknownst | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 990 Registered: 6-2007 |
RECAP.. I read about this true story in a book. Alex was in a US state in the year 19something. He was a resident of that state and a yopish tourist. The puzzle scene is in the wilderness. He died by intentionally shooting himself to avoid death by starvation. There is one other person who is a police officer and a stranger to Alex. He did not think Alex was commiting a crime. He did not speak to nor signal Alex. A sorta misunderstanding is involved. Alex yopishly did something stupid that resulted in his death. The words are non-verbal signals or gestures. Alex could see the cop and vice versa. Alex's native tounge is irrel. Deafness and American Sign Language are irrel. Nice job everyone in revealing all these details.. but what about those words? Hint: although Alex's hands were free to do whatever he wanted, he did not put them up. Hint: hecillopters are not relevant...(: | ||
| Alanlin (Alanlin)
New member Username: Alanlin Post Number: 41 Registered: 6-2007 |
No hecillopters, but helicopters relevant? Or planes? If so, did Alex fail to wave his arms and flag down the helicopter? Was this police officer flying overhead and thought that Alex was simply camping/hiking and so failed to pick him up? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 994 Registered: 6-2007 |
No hecillopters, but helicopters relevant?no Or planes? yes If so, did Alex fail to wave his arms and flag down the helicopter? yope & FA Was this police officer flying overhead and thought that Alex was simply camping/hiking and so failed to pick him up?yope | ||
| Alanlin (Alanlin)
New member Username: Alanlin Post Number: 48 Registered: 6-2007 |
Is Alex lost? Is there more than one relevant plane? Was the police officer in the plane? Did the relevant plane(s) fly overhead? Or was it on the ground? If on the ground, did it take off shortly after? Leaving Alex to starve and die? Are the 'words' semaphore? Air traffic controlling signals? Or just general gestures? Would the life-saving 'words' have been directed at the police officer? Are the 'words' a cry for help? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 998 Registered: 6-2007 |
Is Alex lost? no Is there more than one relevant plane? no Was the police officer in the plane? yes Did the relevant plane(s) fly overhead? yes Or was it on the ground? no If on the ground, did it take off shortly after? Leaving Alex to starve and die? so no Are the 'words' semaphore? I guess it depends on the exact definition.. there are no flags involved, nor any signaling objects.. but you are surely "pointed in the right direction" Air traffic controlling signals? no Or just general gestures?the properties of the gestures are relevant.. but I don't think "general" is a good description Would the life-saving 'words' have been directed at the police officer? yes Are the 'words' a cry for help?yope | ||
| Booklover (Booklover)
New member Username: Booklover Post Number: 947 Registered: 4-2007 |
morse code? (though I believe this could only be used with lights/sounds/etc) wild guess, but maybe he had a flashlight and could have signalled s.o.s. with his hand and a flashlight, but he didn't know morse code? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1000 Registered: 6-2007 |
morse code? (though I believe this could only be used with lights/sounds/etc) wild guess, but maybe he had a flashlight and could have signalled s.o.s. with his hand and a flashlight, but he didn't know morse code?no | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 560 Registered: 8-2004 |
is the man somehow trapped? Under a rock? Snow? If snow, does he know which end is up? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1053 Registered: 6-2007 |
is the man somehow trapped? Under a rock? Snow? If snow, does he know which end is up? no he was walking around freely | ||
| Stuccosalt (Stuccosalt)
New member Username: Stuccosalt Post Number: 561 Registered: 8-2004 |
would he have needed to learn the words in sign language? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1054 Registered: 6-2007 |
would he have needed to learn the words in sign language? yes.... but not "sign language" as in the official languages of hearing impaired. | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 693 Registered: 1-2001 |
Would the signs have been made with both arms? one only? both hands? one? would the arms have been above the head? extended horizontally? in motion? like a windmill? touching the body? each other? the ground? something else - like the man's car? Is a native language involved - American Indian? aboriginal? something like tic tac? specific to police? to fliers? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1055 Registered: 6-2007 |
Would the signs have been made with both arms? yesone only? both hands? noone?no would the arms have been above the head? should..yes extended horizontally? in motion? like a windmill? touching the body? each other? the ground? something else - like the man's car? no to these Is a native language involved - American Indian? aboriginal? something like tic tac? specific to police? to fliers?none of these but a "universal language" is relevant | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1217 Registered: 9-2003 |
so Alex was lost in the wilderness? and he saw a rescue plane? but he didn't wave to it? did he do anything to indicate he needed rescuing? did the people in the plane assume he was fine? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1066 Registered: 6-2007 |
so Alex was lost in the wilderness? in the wilderness, but not lost and he saw a rescue plane? yes but he didn't wave to it? no did he do anything to indicate he needed rescuing? no did the people in the plane assume he was fine? yes... but they didn't assume | ||
| ~damia~ (~damia~)
New member Username: ~damia~ Post Number: 1221 Registered: 9-2003 |
was he trying to get somewhere? and just not pack enough food? or lose it somehow? eat it too fast? did the people in the plane actually manage to speak to him at all? or signal him to ask if he was ok? did they ask if he needed water? and he replied no so they left not realising he needed food? | ||
| Takemeaway10 (Takemeaway10)
New member Username: Takemeaway10 Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2008 |
I'm getting confused... Does Alex feel like he's OK? Or, is he looking to be saved? Did the man in the plane attempt to help him? If Alex signaled for help, was it misunderstood as him being OK? You gave a yope to murder... Did Alex's signal cause the man in the plane to do something, which subsequently put Alex in starvation? Is Alex's source of food, and how it disappeared/got destroyed/got stolen relevant? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1067 Registered: 6-2007 |
was he trying to get somewhere? more like camping outand just not pack enough food? he did run out.. or lose it somehow? noeat it too fast?noish did the people in the plane actually manage to speak to him at all? noor signal him to ask if he was ok? did they ask if he needed water? and he replied no so they left not realising he needed food?no to the rest I'm getting confused... Does Alex feel like he's OK? noOr, is he looking to be saved?yes Did the man in the plane attempt to help him? no If Alex signaled for help, was it misunderstood as him being OK?htis is very very close to what happened.. do you have any idea how to signal for help? You gave a yope to murder... Did Alex's signal cause the man in the plane to do something, which subsequently put Alex in starvation? Is Alex's source of food, and how it disappeared/got destroyed/got stolen relevant? none of these.. the yope to murder was because he killed himself..all that is important about food is that he ran out of food and he knew he was going to starve to death if he wans't rescued | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 702 Registered: 1-2001 |
Praying hands for help? as opposed to waving for 'hi, isn't it a nice day'? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1070 Registered: 6-2007 |
Praying hands for help? as opposed to waving for 'hi, isn't it a nice day'? that's not what he did but it probably would have been better than what he did do. In fact, he indicated that he did not need a rescue. | ||
| Adryghi (Adryghi)
New member Username: Adryghi Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2008 |
Did he spell something on the ground? | ||
| Alizon (Alizon)
New member Username: Alizon Post Number: 488 Registered: 1-2005 |
Did he gesture with his arms? legs? another part of the body? Did he use something else than his body (e.g. a stick, a flag, a gun)? | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 705 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did he give a thumbs up in a moment of mental abberation? | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1072 Registered: 6-2007 |
Did he spell something on the ground? no Did he gesture with his arms?this legs? another part of the body? Did he use something else than his body (e.g. a stick, a flag, a gun)?no Did he give a thumbs up in a moment of mental abberation?this is close enough! Spoiler It is the story of Carl McCunn which I read about in the book "Into The Wild" by John Krakauer. I really thought that "Judgedeadd" was on to that fact especially when he named the person "Alex" Carl McCunn (1946 - 1981) was a Texan who, in March 1981, paid a bush pilot to drop him at a remote lake near the Coleen River in Alaska, on the southern margin of the Brooks Range, to photograph wildlife. McCunn flew in with 500 rolls of film, 1,400 pounds of provisions, two rifles and a shotgun, but had not arranged for the pilot to pick him up again in August. He prematurely disposed of boxes of shotgun shells in the river; used the wrong emergency hand signals to a plane that had spotted him and waved the plane off; and waited too long in the season to attempt to walk out. In February 1982 Alaska State Troopers found his body, emaciated and frozen as hard as stone, along with a 100-page diary that documented his demise. He wrote "I think I should have used more foresight about arranging my departure." Rather than starve, McCunn had shot himself in the head. (Source: Jon Krakauer, Into the Wild) From Carl's diary: In his diary, Mr. McCunn tells of being elated on sighting the plane, then realizing that he had given the wrong signal to the pilot. ''I recall raising my right hand, shoulder high and shaking my fist on the plane's second pass. It was a little cheer - like when your team scored a touchdown or something. ''Turns out that's the signal for 'ALL O.K. DO NOT WAIT!' one of the universal rescue signals: To communicate with a helicopter in sight, raise both arms (forming the letter Y) to indicate "Yes" or "I need help" and stretch one arm up and one down (imitating the letter N) for "No" or "I do not need help". Thanks everyone for playing!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_McCunn http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEED61638F93AA25751C1A964948260&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=1 |
