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Nimue (Nimue)
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Partly because my parents were very liberal, I now have a trait that seems, well, very frumpy. How come??
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Frumpy in the sense of "colorless and primly sedate"? More in the sense of unfashionable? Primly out-of-date? This is a trait based on their values?
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Frumpy in the sense of "colorless and primly sedate"?yes More in the sense of unfashionable? that, too, but I doubt that this trait was ever fashionable Primly out-of-date? yesish} This is a trait based on their values? of course
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Is it a trait that affects your appearance? To do with clothing? makeup? accessories?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Is it a trait that affects your appearance? no To do with clothing? no makeup? no accessories? no
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Anything to do with party politics? Sexuality? Taste in music or the arts?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Anything to do with party politics?no Sexuality? no Taste in music or the arts? no
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Does the trait have to do with...
A habit of yours?
Clothing you wear?
Glasses/contacts?
A physical trait?
A mental trait?
An emotional trait?
A categorical trait (You belong to category X, group y, i.e. being a Freemason, Jewish, Non-canonical Star wars fan)?
An animal? Vegetable? Mineral?
You are H?A?F?
Does your mom have this trait?
Does your dad have this trait?
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Can this trait be thought of as a backlash/negative reaction to overly permissive parenting?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Does the trait have to do with...
A habit of yours?yes
Clothing you wear? no
Glasses/contacts? no
A physical trait? noish
A mental trait? yesish
An emotional trait? yesish
A categorical trait (You belong to category X, group y, i.e. being a Freemason, Jewish, Non-canonical Star wars fan)? Isn't every trait "categorical"? But in the sense you mean it, no
An animal? no Vegetable? no Mineral? no
You are H? I think soA? dittoF? ditto
Does your mom have this trait? yes but irrel
Does your dad have this trait? ditto
Mosquito (Mosquito)
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Can this trait be thought of as a backlash/negative reaction to overly permissive parenting? Not by me--I never use the horrid word 'parenting' & I think parents can hardly be too lenient. In fact, virtually no one weould consider this trait a backlash
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Does the trait manifest itself in how you react to particular situations? danger? rudeness? racism? intolerance? greed? people being inconsiderate? cruelty to animals? reaction to world events? would your reaction be humourous? sad? angry?

Does your perceived frumpiness manifest itself in something you say? or do?
Would this trait be obvious to me if i spent a day in your company?
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Does it have to do with your marital status? Your name? Your relationships with other people?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Does the trait manifest itself in how you react to particular situations? yes danger? norudeness? no racism? no intolerance? no greed? no people being inconsiderate? no cruelty to animals? no reaction to world events? no would your reaction be humourous? no sad? no angry? no

Does your perceived frumpiness manifest itself in something you say? no or do? yes
Would this trait be obvious to me if i spent a day in your company? possibly Hi Buzzard! Nive to see your claws & beak asttacking my puzzles again!!
Buzzard (Buzzard)
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Does it have to do with your marital status? no Your name? no Your relationships with other people? yes
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Relationships with other people in general? Or particular relationships with particular people? Family relationships? Friendly relatioinships? Professional relationships?
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Relationships with other people in general?noish Or particular relationships with particular people? yesish Family relationships? yes Friendly relatioinships? yes Professional relationships? unlikely but possible
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The situation that "triggers your frumpiness", does it happen at a particular time of the day? Of the year? At a special location? At a special type of location? Does the situation involve only you and another person? More than one other person?
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The situation that "triggers your frumpiness", does it happen at a particular time of the day? yes Of the year? no At a special location? yesish At a special type of location? yesish Does the situation involve only you and another person? possibly More than one other person? possibly
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Does it usually happen between...

06:00-10:00?
10:00-14:00?
14:00-18:00?
18:00-22:00?
22:00-06:00?

Does it happen every day? Is it connected to one of your activities? Your work? Is your profession relevant?

Does it happen indoors? Outdoors? In a vehicle?
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Does it usually happen between...

06:00-10:00? no
10:00-14:00? no
14:00-18:00? no
18:00-22:00? yes
22:00-06:00? yes

Does it happen every day? yes or almost Is it connected to one of your activities? yes Your work? no Is your profession relevant? yope

Does it happen indoors? usually Outdoors? possibly In a vehicle? ditto
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Does it happen, say, half an hour before you go to bed or less? Is it connected to your sleeping habits? Is it connected to what you do in the evening? Reading? Watching TV?
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Does it happen, say, half an hour before you go to bed or less? yes Is it connected to your sleeping habits? yes Is it connected to what you do in the evening? yes Reading? irrel, but I may do that Watching TV? ditto
Nimue (Nimue)
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HINT: Find out just what sort of liberalism is relevant here.
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Were your parents liberal about sex? religion? money? food? drinking? good manners? timetables (for example, you were always allowed to come back home late)?
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Were your parents liberal about sex? irrel religion? ditto money? ditto food? ditto drinking? ditto good manners? ditto timetables (for example, you were always allowed to come back home late)? yes
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Er, you say the puzzle is nearly solved, but I feel a bit stuck...

Ok, so your parents' liberalism about your timetables has given you particular (frumpy, some might say) sleeping habits. Correct?

Could one say that you go to bed earlier than normal? Later? Does it involve something you do before going to bed? Brushing your teeth? Something to do with lights/lamps? With blankets? Pyjamas?
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Er, you say the puzzle is nearly solved, but I feel a bit stuck...

Ok, so your parents' liberalism about your timetables has given you particular (frumpy, some might say) sleeping habits. Correct? yes

Could one say that you go to bed earlier than normal? yes Later? no Does it involve something you do before going to bed? no Brushing your teeth? noSomething to do with lights/lamps? no With blankets? noPyjamas? no

Now it's REALLY nearly solved!!!!
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"Early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise." - relevant?

Do you also get up earlier than normal? Did you get into a conversation with some grandparents who claimed to do the same thing you do?
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"Early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise." - relevant? not directly, if at all

Do you also get up earlier than normal? irrel Did you get into a conversation with some grandparents who claimed to do the same thing you do? no
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Did you also go to bed early when you were a child? If so, is it because you didn't feel pressured into following your parents? Wheras other children may have gone to bed late to rebel against their parents less liberal rules? Or did you take advantage of your parents liberal attitudes and go to bed late?

Did your parents' laxity about timetables male it difficult for you to keep track of time? To organise time?

Do you go to bed early because that's when you feel tired? To ensure you get enough sleep?
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Did you also go to bed early when you were a child? sometimes If so, is it because you didn't feel pressured into following your parents? no Wheras other children may have gone to bed late to rebel against their parents less liberal rules? possibly Or did you take advantage of your parents liberal attitudes and go to bed late? often

Did your parents' laxity about timetables male it difficult for you to keep track of time? no To organise time? no

Do you go to bed early because that's when you feel tired? yes To ensure you get enough sleep? yes
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Did you realize at an early age that late-night TV isn't very good? Or that there isn't anything interesting worth staying up for? Or that you don't feel as well the next day if you haven't gotten enough sleep?
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Did you realize at an early age that late-night TV isn't very good? no Or that there isn't anything interesting worth staying up for? Or that you don't feel as well the next day if you haven't gotten enough sleep? no


***** SPOILER ***********
My parents never gave me a curfew, partly because they were liberal by conviction, partly because they disliked arguments, & partly, I'm embarrassed to admit, because they realized I was too nerdy to get into trouble. So I could stay out as late as I wanted to--& hence got out of my system very early any idea that there was anything exciting about staying up late. Now, I'm usually in bed by 9:30 & turn down late-night activities, which I guess makesm e look like a frump. Thanks for solving it, Buzzrard, & please check out my new puzzle you-know-where.

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