| Author | Message | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 737 Registered: 8-2006 |
Hi there! After a period of absence I have a new idea for a puzzle and hopefully ideas on how to solve yours. Why did he put up trees? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 740 Registered: 8-2006 |
Oh, I should rather say: He put up trees to make his dream come true. How come? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 994 Registered: 1-2007 |
He - H?A?M? Real Life ? Fictional? FYOI? Trees as in the plant? When you say he put up trees do you mean he planted them? Did he plant small new trees that would grow into larger ones? or did he simply move some mature trees to a new location? Was he trying to obscure the view to or of something? Was he trying to convince people that he was concenred about the environment? Is his occupation relevant? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 747 Registered: 8-2006 |
He - H?A?M? no; supposedly; supposedly Real Life ? Fictional? this FYOI? Trees as in the plant? yes When you say he put up trees do you mean he planted them? noish Did he plant small new trees that would grow into larger ones? no or did he simply move some mature trees to a new location? yes Was he trying to obscure the view to or of something? no Was he trying to convince people that he was concenred about the environment? no Is his occupation relevant? no | ||
| Blazingphoenix (Blazingphoenix)
New member Username: Blazingphoenix Post Number: 181 Registered: 2-2007 |
Jonny Appleseed relevant at all? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 753 Registered: 8-2006 |
Jonny Appleseed relevant at all? No | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 305 Registered: 11-2007 |
Are we talking about Christmas trees? Did he decorate the trees? Did he replant the trees? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 754 Registered: 8-2006 |
Are we talking about Christmas trees? no Did he decorate the trees? no Did he replant the trees? noish, see above | ||
| Lporter229 (Lporter229)
New member Username: Lporter229 Post Number: 309 Registered: 11-2007 |
Were the trees in containers? planters? non-human fictional character-from a cartoon? fairy tale? film? comic book? other literary work? Is he of a recognisable species? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 755 Registered: 8-2006 |
Were the trees in containers? planters? supposedly not but irrelevant non-human fictional character-from a cartoon? this fairy tale? film? and thus this as well comic book? other literary work? no to the rest Is he of a recognisable species? yes | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 105 Registered: 7-2001 |
Is he of a species that normally lives in trees? interacts with trees in another way? Did he want to look at the trees? Did he want to block his view of something else? Did he want to climb the trees? Did he want to collect anything the trees produced? leaves? fruit? bark? seeds? cones? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 761 Registered: 8-2006 |
Hi, thank you for playing! Is he of a species that normally lives in trees? No interacts with trees in another way? Yesish but not really relevant Did he want to look at the trees? Yes Did he want to block his view of something else? No Did he want to climb the trees? No Did he want to collect anything the trees produced? leaves? fruit? bark? seeds? cones? No to these | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 40 Registered: 5-2003 |
These are live, real trees, and not say, planks or boards he put up? Was he an environmentalist? A scientist? Is his job relevant? Location relevant? Time period relevant? I will not ask questions about the cartoon (like company, etc) as figuring out which film this comes from and then watching it would be against the spirit of the puzzle. | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 763 Registered: 8-2006 |
These are live, real trees, and not say, planks or boards he put up? Yes, real trees (but in a cartoon) Was he an environmentalist? No A scientist? No Is his job relevant? No, there is something he does but this is not really a job. Location relevant? Yes Time period relevant? There is one detail indicating that it happened within the last say 150 years but not really relevant. I will not ask questions about the cartoon (like company, etc) as figuring out which film this comes from and then watching it would be against the spirit of the puzzle. OK, anyway the cartoon is not too well known. | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 106 Registered: 7-2001 |
I don't spend a lot of time on the forum, so I tend to see if I can ask questions on puzzles that have been inactive for a while. Location relevant... Meaning country? specific local area like town? Or more the type of landscape, so city? countryside? suburbs? Does the type of tree matter? Was he looking specifically at the trees? (For example, the area had been forest, then developed, and he wanted to return it to how it was) Or was he looking at something in the trees? (For example, he was trying to encourage wildlife to settle in the area) | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 765 Registered: 8-2006 |
I don't spend a lot of time on the forum, so I tend to see if I can ask questions on puzzles that have been inactive for a while. Location relevant... yes Meaning country? yes specific local area like town? Or more the type of landscape, so city? I am not sure to understand the difference between those two countryside? but yes, it is a particular place in the countryside suburbs? no Does the type of tree matter? no Was he looking specifically at the trees? noish (For example, the area had been forest, then developed, and he wanted to return it to how it was) no Or was he looking at something in the trees? no (For example, he was trying to encourage wildlife to settle in the area) no | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 107 Registered: 7-2001 |
What I tried to ask badly was: does it matter to the puzzle that it is the countryside rather than, for example, a park in a city? Is the country in Europe? the Americas? Asia? Africs? a fictional country? Does the presence of the trees allow him to do something? Does it cause something to occur that he wants to occur? Is his dream artistic in nature? scientific? athletic? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 768 Registered: 8-2006 |
What I tried to ask badly was: does it matter to the puzzle that it is the countryside rather than, for example, a park in a city? OK. It is in the countryside, a park wouldn't work. Is the country in Europe? the Americas? Asia? Africs? a fictional country? none of these (there are two left...) Does the presence of the trees allow him to do something? yes Does it cause something to occur that he wants to occur? no, "allow him to do" is more accurate Is his dream artistic in nature? no scientific? yesish athletic? yesish | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 109 Registered: 7-2001 |
Aha! So we're talking about a polar area. Arctic? Antarctic? Does it matter which? Is he a bear? a penguin? (I know this isn't relevant) Is his dream to reach one of the poles? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 769 Registered: 8-2006 |
Aha! So we're talking about a polar area. Arctic? Antarctic? Does it matter which? No to these, there is still a tiny continent left you haven't mentioned yet... Is he a bear? a penguin? (I know this isn't relevant) No to these but the species is relevant Is his dream to reach one of the poles? no | ||
| Travis (Travis)
New member Username: Travis Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2007 |
Ahhh... Australia! Is the desert relevant? Is he native to Australia (i.e., kangaroo, dingo, etc.)? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 770 Registered: 8-2006 |
Ahhh... Australia! No! but this is close Is the desert relevant? No Is he native to Australia (i.e., kangaroo, dingo, etc.)? No but on the right track | ||
| Grainbeer (Grainbeer)
New member Username: Grainbeer Post Number: 300 Registered: 4-2002 |
The Pacific region? New Zealand? Micronesia? Polynesia? Borneo? Papua New Guinea? Okinawa? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 771 Registered: 8-2006 |
New Zealand | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 111 Registered: 7-2001 |
Is he a kiwi? other bird? Does he want to "fly"? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 772 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is he a kiwi? yes other bird? so no Does he want to "fly"? yes :-) | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 112 Registered: 7-2001 |
You said he didn't want to climb the trees, and clearly also the precise location is important, as he moved them rather than use them where they were. So... Does the flying involve him being on top of one of the trees and then jumping off? Or is he flying to the trees? Was he trying to fly to somewhere specific? Did he want someone else to see him fly? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 773 Registered: 8-2006 |
You said he didn't want to climb the trees, and clearly also the precise location is important, as he moved them rather than use them where they were. yes So... Does the flying involve him being on top of one of the trees and then jumping off? no Or is he flying to the trees? yesish Was he trying to fly to somewhere specific? yes Did he want someone else to see him fly? irr | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 113 Registered: 7-2001 |
Right. He starts off somewhere high that he has access to. He wants to get to somewhere else that he does not have access to. Moving the trees helps him to achieve this in a way that involves him travelling through the air. Is this all right? Let's work out the mechanics of his flight. Is he gliding? using updrafts? simply jumping from a high place to a lower place? Just to check, is physics working normally? Are the trees in a line, so that he travels from the starting point to one tree, then from tree to tree until he can get from the last one to his ultimate goal? Happy birthday! | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 776 Registered: 8-2006 |
Right. He starts off somewhere high that he has access to. yes He wants to get to somewhere else that he does not have access to. no Moving the trees helps him to achieve this in a way that involves him travelling through the air. no Is this all right? no, but a no is often more helpful than a yes... Let's work out the mechanics of his flight. Is he gliding? no using updrafts? no simply jumping from a high place to a lower place? yes Just to check, is physics working normally? yes Are the trees in a line, so that he travels from the starting point to one tree, then from tree to tree until he can get from the last one to his ultimate goal? no they are not exactly in line and he is not travelling from tree to tree Happy birthday! Thank you! | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 114 Registered: 7-2001 |
How many trees are there? 2? 3? 4? more? Does he attach something to one or more of the trees? a hammock? a swing or equivalent? Does someone else attach something to one or more of the trees? Before he moves them? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 781 Registered: 8-2006 |
How many trees are there? 2? 3? 4? more? this Does he attach something to one or more of the trees? yes a hammock? no a swing or equivalent? no Does someone else attach something to one or more of the trees? no Before he moves them? | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 115 Registered: 7-2001 |
Is the exact number of trees relevant? or has he simply created a wood? Is the arrangement of the trees relevant (for example in a rough circle)? Does he attach something to all of the trees (that is, is there one something)? Does he attach something to each of the trees (that is, are there as many somethings as there are trees)? Does he attach something just to one tree? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 782 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is the exact number of trees relevant? no or has he simply created a wood? yes it is more or less a wood Is the arrangement of the trees relevant (for example in a rough circle)? no Does he attach something to all of the trees (that is, is there one something)? this but only temporarily Does he attach something to each of the trees (that is, are there as many somethings as there are trees)? no Does he attach something just to one tree? no | ||
| Beroean (Beroean)
Moderator Username: Beroean Post Number: 1481 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hi Tobasi! This is an unusual but interesting puzzle :-) Is the height of the trees relevant? Are they different heights? Apart from what he attaches to the trees, is there any other relevant object(s)? Any rope involved? Elastic / Rubber involved? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 792 Registered: 8-2006 |
Hi Tobasi! Hi Simon! This is an unusual but interesting puzzle :-) Glad to hear this Is the height of the trees relevant? no Are they different heights? irr Apart from what he attaches to the trees, is there any other relevant object(s)? One other object for svv of object. Any rope involved? this is the object he attaches to the trees Elastic / Rubber involved? no | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 116 Registered: 7-2001 |
Is the rope used to move the trees? Or does it contribute to the flying? Is the other "object" then attached to the rope? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 795 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is the rope used to move the trees? yes Or does it contribute to the flying? no Is the other "object" then attached to the rope? no | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 117 Registered: 7-2001 |
Is the contribution of the trees to his dream coming true: related to take-off? related to landing? related to his actual passage through the air? Is his dream simply to fly? or is there more to it? Do the trees make him feel more as though he is actually flying rather than falling? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 800 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is the contribution of the trees to his dream coming true: related to take-off? no related to landing? no related to his actual passage through the air? yes Is his dream simply to fly? yes or is there more to it? no Do the trees make him feel more as though he is actually flying rather than falling? yes | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 118 Registered: 7-2001 |
So the important thing for him is to be above the tree-line? Simply because he wants to look down on something tall, and trees are relatively easy to move? Or because he has always wondered what the tops of trees look like? Have his flying bird friends used particular idiom? or talked about a particular kind of experience? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 802 Registered: 8-2006 |
So the important thing for him is to be above the tree-line? yope Simply because he wants to look down on something tall, and trees are relatively easy to move? yope Or because he has always wondered what the tops of trees look like? irr Have his flying bird friends used particular idiom? irr or talked about a particular kind of experience? irr | ||
| Philippus (Philippus)
New member Username: Philippus Post Number: 119 Registered: 7-2001 |
Is it important to him to be travelling through the trees? Is where he lands relevant? Is it on the same level as the bottoms of the trees? Is it within the group of trees? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 803 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is it important to him to be travelling through the trees? f.A. Is where he lands relevant? yes Is it on the same level as the bottoms of the trees? no and f.A. Is it within the group of trees? no You will be able to solve the puzzle as soon as you have isolated the f.A. | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 818 Registered: 8-2006 |
Recap This puzzle is based on a cartoon. A Kiwi puts up trees to make his dream to fly come true. Something on the way he puts them up has still to be found out (it is actually the lateral part of the puzzle). | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1297 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are they real trees? Do any other flying creatures help him to erect the trees? Any people? Does he use a ladder? Is it relevant that he has a long beak? Or that he is nocturnal? Is his dumpy shape relevant? Would this work for an ostrich? A penguin? Does he use his long beak as a seed-drill? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 820 Registered: 8-2006 |
Are they real trees? yes (but in a cartoon) Do any other flying creatures help him to erect the trees? no Any people? no Does he use a ladder? no Is it relevant that he has a long beak? no Or that he is nocturnal? no Is his dumpy shape relevant? no Would this work for an ostrich? yesish A penguin? no Does he use his long beak as a seed-drill? no | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1299 Registered: 3-2006 |
I'm a bit confused by the phrase 'put up trees'. Are they living trees? Any specific species of trees? Dead trees? Fallen trees? Is it a strip cartoon? If so, how long elapses between the first and last frame: minutes? hours? days? years? Does he have to wait for the trees to grow? Does he grow them from seed? From saplings? And he launches himself towards the trees, having placed ropes between them? And he uses the ropes to bounce off? Does he attach the ropes himself? Does he mesh the branches together into some sort of special shape? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 821 Registered: 8-2006 |
I'm a bit confused by the phrase 'put up trees'. he does not exactly plant them Are they living trees? yes Any specific species of trees? no Dead trees? no Fallen trees? no Is it a strip cartoon? If so, how long elapses between the first and last frame: minutes? hours? days? years? It is a computer generated film (looks like Shrek but a bit simpler). The film is about three minutes long and contains a leap in time of say half an hour. Does he have to wait for the trees to grow? no Does he grow them from seed? no From saplings? no And he launches himself towards the trees, having placed ropes between them? no And he uses the ropes to bounce off? no Does he attach the ropes himself? he uses the rope to put up the trees Does he mesh the branches together into some sort of special shape? no | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 740 Registered: 1-2001 |
Are the trees cardboard cut outs? Does he draw them in the cartoon? Does he dream them? Does he lasso them and pull them to where he wants them? Does he have the rope handy? or does he have to unravel something to get it? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 822 Registered: 8-2006 |
Thank, Sunshine, you for going on with this one (and hopefully finishing it) Are the trees cardboard cut outs? No Does he draw them in the cartoon? No Does he dream them? No Does he lasso them and pull them to where he wants them? Yes Does he have the rope handy? Yes or does he have to unravel something to get it? No | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 745 Registered: 1-2001 |
Hi,Tobasi - maybe not finishing but at least giving a nudge in the right direction! Is he on a cliff? top of a mountain? Does he pull the trees to below there? getting them very close together? Does he jump off? use a springboard? flap his wings?... hit the tree tops? bounce back to where he started? do it again? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 823 Registered: 8-2006 |
Is he on a cliff? yes top of a mountain? yes Does he pull the trees to below there? yesish getting them very close together? no Does he jump off? yes use a springboard? no flap his wings? yesish ... hit the tree tops? no bounce back to where he started? no do it again? no | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 746 Registered: 1-2001 |
Does he pull the trees up the cliff sideways to make a slide to the bottom? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 824 Registered: 8-2006 |
Does he pull the trees up the cliff sideways to make a slide to the bottom? yope | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 751 Registered: 1-2001 |
Does he balance the trees one on top of the other? Does he make a structure out of them? A ladder? A trampoline? Does he stick them into the cliff face? by the base? all at the same height? from the top of the cliff to the bottom? Does he stop his descent when he hits the ground? inches from the ground? feet? the height of the trees? more? Does he cut the trees up? into planks? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 825 Registered: 8-2006 |
Does he balance the trees one on top of the other? no Does he make a structure out of them? no A ladder? no A trampoline? no Does he stick them into the cliff face? yes by the base? yes all at the same height? irr from the top of the cliff to the bottom? yes Does he stop his descent when he hits the ground? yes, supposedly inches from the ground? feet? the height of the trees? f.A. more? no, supposedly to the rest Does he cut the trees up? no into planks? no | ||
| Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine Post Number: 752 Registered: 1-2001 |
So he takes off from the top of the cliff - trees are at 90 degrees from usual - he "flies" through or above them - maybe the camera turns 90 degrees too? - then as he flies along, suddenly wham?? | ||
| Tobasi (Tobasi)
New member Username: Tobasi Post Number: 826 Registered: 8-2006 |
--------- SPOILER --------- Yes, that's it. Here is the cartoon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUUx5FdySs Of course, in the film you don't get the information in the same order as you found it out in the puzzle. Thank you Sunshine and the others for playing! |
