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Unleashedllama (Unleashedllama)
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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 12:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He thought he was in trouble, but I was only trying to help.



This is my first puzzle, so please be patient & I have no access to the net at home, so can only reply whilst at work. I'll try to prevent this affecting your experience.
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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 12:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ooops, sorry, if someone could stick my name into the thread title I'd be very greatful. Cheers.
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Is he a child? A man? A non-human animal?

Is this a true story? Was he actually in trouble? Or was it your attempt to help that made him think he was in trouble?
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 2:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he a child?<b>yes<b> A man?<b>no<b> A non-human animal?<b>no<b>

Is this a true story?<b>yes<b> Was he actually in trouble?<b>no<b> Or was it your attempt to help that made him think he was in trouble?<b>yes<b>
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 4:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

p.s. I appear to be struggling to write in bold text too, so if anyone could let me know what I'm doing wrong, that'll be great. I really do seem to need spoon feeding don't I?
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 6:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You have to type </b> at the end of the bold text sring.
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 7:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, to clarify, I was trying to help a child (my son actually) and in my attempt to help him made him think he was in trouble.

Just to let you know, this took place about six months ago, but when I remember how he reacted I still smile to this day.
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 10:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were you trying to help him:

solve a day-to-day task?
with his homework?
with spelling?

Did he think he had done something naughty? Something for which he would be punished? By you? By a third party? Was there a misunderstanding of some words you said?

Would it help to know your son's age? Is he a toddler? 5-12? A teenager?

Are any other people involved? Any animals? Did this take place in the home?

Was it a case of "don't do that" [do it like this], when he thought he had done something taboo?

Did he think he had used a rude word?
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Posted on Monday, May 26, 2008 - 10:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were you trying to help him:

solve a day-to-day task? no
with his homework? no
with spelling? yope, more like grammar than spelling

Did he think he had done something naughty?yope, he thought I was telling him off for doing something naughty, which he knew he hadn't done Something for which he would be punished?he probably thought he would be punished By you?yes By a third party?no Was there a misunderstanding of some words you said?yes

Would it help to know your son's age?yes Is he a toddler? 5-12? A teenager? He's 4 and a half years old

Are any other people involved?no Any animals?no Did this take place in the home?no

Was it a case of "don't do that" [do it like this]yesish, more like "say it like this", when he thought he had done something taboo?the way I corrected him made him believe that I thought he'd done something wrong

Did he think he had used a rude word?no
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would it help to know exactly what you were correcting?
Was what you were correcting a phrase?
Did you explain to him that you were going to correct him? (or) did you simply state how the phrase would be spoken correctly and he took it as if it were being said seriously/ was aimed at him?
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 8:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would it help to know exactly what you were correcting? yes
Was what you were correcting a phrase? He made a gramatical error with one word within his reply to a question that I'd just asked him
Did you explain to him that you were going to correct him?no (or) did you simply state how the phrase would be spoken correctlyyes, but... and he took it as if it were being said seriously/ was aimed at him?He didn't realise I was correcting part of his sentance, he thought I'd said something similar
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 8:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he think you were correcting the actual sentence he said rather than one word in it? Anything to do with confusion with the word "I" like this:

Him: I is very angry
You: I am very angry
Him: Oh no! You're angry??

Lame example I know, but am I on the right track at all?
Was his grammatical error similar to that example, whereby he used the wrong form of a verb?
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 9:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he think you were correcting the actual sentence he said rather than one word in it?He didn't realise I was correcting him Anything to do with confusion with the word "I" like this:

Him: I is very angry
You: I am very angry
Him: Oh no! You're angry??no

Lame example I know, but am I on the right track at all?your next guess is better...
Was his grammatical error similar to that example, whereby he used the wrong form of a verb? yes, he used the wrong form of a verb, in fact the form of verb he chose to use is not actually a word
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Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 9:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It may help you to find out where this takes place
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Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2008 - 2:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this take place at home? public place?

Does this take place infront of strangers? friends/family? relevent?
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Posted on Sunday, June 01, 2008 - 2:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

expanding on public place:

Inside a building? outside?
shop?
hospital?
a building that supplies a public service?
a building that supplies a private service?
a building that supplies a physical product?
an office building?

Is the location of the incident the/a subject of the intended sentence(s)? Is something commonly found in that location the/a subject of the intended sentence(s)?
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Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 8:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this take place at home?no public place?yes

Does this take place infront of strangers?no friends/family?no relevent?no

expanding on public place:

Inside a building?yes outside?no
shop?no
hospital?no
a building that supplies a public service?yes
a building that supplies a private service?no
a building that supplies a physical product?no
an office building?no

Is the location of the incident the/a subject of the intended sentence(s)?yes Is something commonly found more 'done' than 'found' in that location the/a subject of the intended sentence(s)? on the right lines
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Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 1:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

school? bank? eatery? healthcare? government owned?
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Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 1:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

school? no, although leaning is involved bank? no eatery? no healthcare? no government owned? yes, it's a local coucil building
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Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 1:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

another building, other than a school, owned by the council, at which you learn? or lean? :P
or a council owned building in which you/your son happened to learn something (but exists for a different purpose)?
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another building, other than a school, owned by the council, at which you learn? yes or lean? :P ok, I'll admit leaning's not really involved in this one!
or a council owned building in which you/your son my son was learning, not me happened to learn something (but exists for a different purpose)? yes, not everyone goes there to learn
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Is the purpose of the building aimed at children? adults? both?
Is it a multipurpose building? Only one purpose relevant?
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Is the purpose of the building aimed at children? adults? both? both
Is it a multipurpose building? yes Only one purpose relevant? yes
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Is the relevant purpose aimed at children? adults? both?
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Is the relevant purpose aimed at children? adults? both? both
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Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 8:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When I say 'learning' I don't mean academically, more learning to do something. I hope this helps
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TO RECAP: My 4 and a half year old son and I were attending a council run building for him to have a none academic lesson. I asked him a question, which he answered, but grammatically incorrectly. I corrected the word he'd got wrong but he thought I was accusing him of doing something naughty, which he hadn't done and (and this next bit is new information) was relevant to what he was doing at the time.
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Were you ata swimming pool? Teaching him to swim? Was he learning something else sports-related? Was he learning something that most adults know how to do?
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Were you at a swimming pool? yes Teaching him to swim? I wasn't teaching him, but he'd just finished his first swimming lesson with instructors Was he learning something else sports-related? see previous Was he learning something that most adults know how to do? see previous
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Were you in the pool at th time of this misunderstanding? In the changing rooms? Back at home? Had you been watching him swim? Is any of this relevant?

Did he think you were saying that he hadn't swum well? That he had been misbehaving? That you wouldn't let him come back to swim again?
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Were you in the pool at the time of this misunderstanding? no In the changing rooms? yes Back at home? no Had you been watching him swim? yes Is any of this relevant? yes

Did he think you were saying that he hadn't swum well? no That he had been misbehaving? yes, by doing something specific That you wouldn't let him come back to swim again? no
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Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2008 - 4:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he think you were accusing him of breaking one of the pool rules? Doing some damgerous? Something unkind? Something stupid? Of being rude to the instructor? Of not listening to what he was told? Of being rude to the other kids?
If he had done the thing he thought you were accusing him of, would you have been anry? Punished him? Banned him from swimming?
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Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2008 - 4:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he think you were accusing him of breaking one of the pool rules? no Doing some damgerous? no Something unkind? no Something stupid? you could describe it as stupid Of being rude to the instructor? no Of not listening to what he was told? no Of being rude to the other kids? no
If he had done the thing he thought you were accusing him of, would you have been angry? mildly Punished him? I'd probably have just told him not to do it again Banned him from swimming? no

He thought I was accusing him of doing something wrong that was connected to what he was doing at that exact time, so not in the pool itself
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Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 5:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You're so close, please don't give up on this one.

Remember: the form of verb he chose to use is not actually a word.

It was his attempt at a verb in the passed tense when I asked him:

"What did you do for your first lesson?"
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Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 - 11:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he changing back into his clothes at the time? Drying himself? Showering? Combing his hair?

Was the verb he was trying to use a swimming stroke? Or did he just say something like "I swimmed" and you corrected him by saying Swam?
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Was he changing back into his clothes at the time? Drying himself? Showering? Combing his hair? getting with towel out of the locker

Was the verb he was trying to use a swimming stroke? Or did he just say something like "I swimmed" and you corrected him by saying Swam? YES...

and a...

*******SPOILER*******

He'd finished his first lesson and was getting his towel out of the locker.

"What did you do for your first lesson?" I asked him, expecting him to tell me the name of a stroke.

"I swimmed", he replied whilst gently closing the locker door (yes, gently).

"You swam", I corrected him, to which he defended himself by protesting:

"I didn't swam the door!"


Thank you everyone who took part, I hope you enjoyed it.
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Nice one . I asked that because my 4 year old daughter once told me that she had made a new friend and that she had "sawed her when she swimmed at the pool"

I was struggling to equate Swam to another word though.

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