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Jim makes a personal phonecall at work and even though this is frowned upon he does so in quite a loud tone of voice. Why is this?
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Is he talking from a private office? Is he talking to a person who is hard of hearing? Is his job relevant?
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Is the reason for the loudness conencted to the people in the office? Jim himself? The person he is talking to? Is who this is relevant?

Will other people in the office hear him? Does he want them to? Does he want to tell them something without directly telling them? Would he getin trouble if his boss heard him make the phone call? Did he?
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Is he talking from a private office? no Is he talking to a person who is hard of hearing? no Is his job relevant? no
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Is the reason for the loudness conencted to the people in the office? yes Jim himself? no The person he is talking to? no Is who this is relevant? it's a friend of his that's all you need to know about him

Will other people in the office hear him? yes Does he want them to? yes Does he want to tell them something without directly telling them? noish Would he getin trouble if his boss heard him make the phone call? maybe Did he? irr
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blooper alert. Jim is not talking to someone but is leaving a message on the answering machine. This is somewhat relevant
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Does he make it clear that he is talking to the answerphone? Does he want the people in his office to know that th person he is talking to is out?
Or does he want them to think the person is there, and he is pretending to talk to an actual person?

Do the people in the office know who he is talking to (or rather whose answerphone he is talking to)?
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Is he trying to give his coworkers a false impression?
Is his work/business relevant?
Is his nationality, location, or language relevant?
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Does he make it clear that he is talking to the answerphone? yes it's obvious from what he says Does he want the people in his office to know that th person he is talking to is out? no
Or does he want them to think the person is there, and he is pretending to talk to an actual person? no

Do the people in the office know who he is talking to (or rather whose answerphone he is talking to)? those who can hear him know it's a friend of his
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Is he trying to give his coworkers a false impression? yesish - explore this
Is his work/business relevant? no
Is his nationality, location, or language relevant? no to all
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Is the "conversation" staged?
Is it the content of the message left on the answering machine that is important here?
Does he try to give the impression that he constantly make private calls from work? that he hardly ever does it?
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Is the "conversation" staged? yes : Good question
Is it the content of the message left on the answering machine that is important here? yes
Does he try to give the impression that he constantly make private calls from work? no that he hardly ever does it? not this either
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Does he actually want the friend to receive the information contained within the phone call? Or is the call purely for the benefit of those in the office?
For the purposes of this puzzle, could Jim have phoned anyone? Or did it have to be this particular person? Or did it have to be a friend, but could be any one? If so, could he have phoned someone else and pretended to be speaking to the friend?

Does Jim want to make sure that his coworkers know he is there? Is he trying to establish an alibi or something similar?

Is the fact that personal calls are frowned upon relevant? Does he want people to think less of him? To think that he is not averse to breaking the rules?

Does Jim gain from the call? Financially? Avoiding a negative experience?
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Just to clarify, is Jim actually calling the person he leaves a message for? or is he calling a friend, but pretends to have called someone else?
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Does he actually want the friend to receive the information contained within the phone call? no Or is the call purely for the benefit of those in the office? for one other person in the office
For the purposes of this puzzle, could Jim have phoned anyone? yes Or did it have to be this particular person? no Or did it have to be a friend, but could be any one? it could have been anyone he was acquainted with If so, could he have phoned someone else and pretended to be speaking to the friend? he probably could

Does Jim want to make sure that his coworkers know he is there? Is he trying to establish an alibi or something similar? no to both

Is the fact that personal calls are frowned upon relevant? i put that into the puzzle statement to make it seem odd that he made the call. I guess the puzzle statement could read "Why did Jim make a personal call at work in a loud tone of voice" The fact that it's frowned upon or not plays no further part in the solution Does he want people to think less of him? no To think that he is not averse to breaking the rules? no

Does Jim gain from the call? yope Financially? no Avoiding a negative experience? no
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Just to clarify, is Jim actually calling the person he leaves a message for? or is he calling a friend, but pretends to have called someone else? hmmm how do i phrase this. In hindsight for Jim to achieve the desired effect he did not even have to make a call. Talking into a dead phone would have worked just as well. What relevant is what he said and why and the fact that it was overheard.

Hope this isn't getting too complicated because the solution is quite simple
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Sort of answers a few question, but not all so here comes some more, lol

What I tried to determine is whether Jim maybe pretended to call someone special. As in - he's calling his friend, let's say his name is Bob. But he pretends to call for instance Bertie Ahern or President McAleese? Maybe to indicate he has friends in high places?
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Would Jim's plan have worked if his friend had answered the phone?

Is Jim trying to dispell a negative belief or rumour about himself? Has he perhaps been subject of some office gossip? Does he lie in the staged message?
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Is who he appears to be calling relevant? If so, is it a friend, relative or stranger, and are his coworkers aware of that person's significance?
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What I tried to determine is whether Jim maybe pretended to call someone special. As in - he's calling his friend, let's say his name is Bob. But he pretends to call for instance Bertie Ahern or President McAleese? Maybe to indicate he has friends in high places? nice thought but no
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Would Jim's plan have worked if his friend had answered the phone? not as smoothly

Is Jim trying to dispell a negative belief or rumour about himself? no Has he perhaps been subject of some office gossip? no Does he lie in the staged message? yes
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Is who he appears to be calling relevant? only that it's a friendIf so, is it a friend, relative or stranger, and are his coworkers aware of that person's significance? those who overhear are aware that he's talking to a mate
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Does Jim lie about himself? Some plans he has? Something he has done? About the friend? About someone in the office?

If the friend had answered the phone, would it have worked less smoothly because the friend wouldn't have had a clue what he was talking about and would have interrupted etc? Or is there more to it than that?

The person the call is for the benefit of: a coworker? The boss? Do they have a relevant realationship with Jim other than colleague? Does Jim like them? Dislike them? Feel neutral? Does he intend for them to believe the lies Jim tells? If they do, will they be advantaged? Inconvenienced? Embarrassed? Is Jim playing some kind of a joke?
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Are redundancies relevant? does Jim deliberately talk about his boss to be let go from his job with a nice redundancy package?
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Does Jim lie about himself? no Some plans he has? yes Something he has done? no About the friend? no About someone in the office? no

If the friend had answered the phone, would it have worked less smoothly because the friend wouldn't have had a clue what he was talking about and would have interrupted etc? exactly so Or is there more to it than that? no

The person the call is for the benefit of: a coworker? yes but your use of the word benefit is interesting The boss? no Do they have a relevant realationship with Jim other than colleague? no Does Jim like them? no Dislike them? so yes Feel neutral? Does he intend for them to believe the lies Jim tells? yes If they do, will they be advantaged? no Inconvenienced? yes Embarrassed? this too Is Jim playing some kind of a joke? yes

impressive questioning young enjay
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Are redundancies relevant? does Jim deliberately talk about his boss to be let go from his job with a nice redundancy package? no he doesn't talk 4 red dots about his boss lol
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Why thank you!
I meant benefit as in he wants the person to hear...presumably they will not actually benefit from the call. Or was that a subtle hint? Are benefits relevant in some other way?

After hearing the call, will the colleague think that Jim will be in a certain place at a certain time? Will they go to a particular place? Do a particular thing? Has Jim deliberately mislead them so that he can carry out his real plans undisturbed?

Until they (presumably) realise that they are th victim of a joke, will the victim think they are one up on Jim? Are they attempting to do something malicious to him? Play a joke of their own? Advantage themselves?

Was Jim acting in revenge? Had the colleague previously done something unpleasant to Jim? Is the only way he gains from this his amusement at the joke, and at his getting one over on the colleague he dislikes?

Is anyone else relevant in on the joke? An accomplice of some kind?
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meant benefit as in he wants the person to hear...correctpresumably they will not actually benefit from the call.right again Or was that a subtle hint? Are benefits relevant in some other way? no

After hearing the call, will the colleague think that Jim will be in a certain place at a certain time? yope Will they go to a particular place? no Do a particular thing? maybe but you don't have to work out what that is Has Jim deliberately mislead them so that he can carry out his real plans undisturbed? no

Until they (presumably) realise that they are th victim of a joke, will the victim think they are one up on Jim? no Are they attempting to do something malicious to him? no Play a joke of their own? no Advantage themselves? no

Was Jim acting in revenge? yesish Had the colleague previously done something unpleasant to Jim? many things none are specifically relevant Is the only way he gains from this his amusement at the joke, and at his getting one over on the colleague he dislikes? yes

Is anyone else relevant in on the joke? There is one other but you'll get to the solution without knowing that An accomplice of some kind? yes
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Is he pretending to call the police? Is he leading the victim to believe he is calling someone else (someone other than the person actually being called)? Would this work if OH had called a dead number? Or kept his hand on the receiver button while pretending to talk to someone? Is he hoping that his victim will be afraid? Feel incriminated? Leave the room? Resign his post?
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Is he pretending to call the police? no Is he leading the victim to believe he is calling someone else (someone other than the person actually being called)? no Would this work if OH had called a dead number? yes Or kept his hand on the receiver button while pretending to talk to someone? yes Is he hoping that his victim will be afraid? Feel incriminated? Leave the room? Resign his post? no to all
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Is he pretending that he has achieved or earned something that would increase his status? Someone earlier asked if he was "speaking" to someone important or famous, but it could just as well be ABOUT something important or famous, like:

- "You're pregnant, dear? Wonderful!"
- "Yessir, I'll meet you at that swanky restaurant."
- "Glad to hear my book, certain to be a bestseller, is ready to be published."

In other words, does the false message import some advantage to the caller? Or some disadvantage to the listener? Is the advantage or disadvantage real or false?

Is the listener (the one Jim is trying to get one up on) of the same rank at work as Jim? Or is he senior or junior to Jim, and is this relevant?

Is what they do at work relevant? If so, do Jim and his antagonist have the same, similar, or different positions?
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Is he pretending that he has achieved or earned something that would increase his status? noSomeone earlier asked if he was "speaking" to someone important or famous, but it could just as well be ABOUT something important or famous, like:

- "You're pregnant, dear? Wonderful!"
- "Yessir, I'll meet you at that swanky restaurant."
- "Glad to hear my book, certain to be a bestseller, is ready to be published."

In other words, does the false message import some advantage to the caller? no Or some disadvantage to the listener? noishIs the advantage or disadvantage real or false? yope. The content of the call is designed to put the co-worker at a disadvantage so i guess that's a yes

Is the listener (the one Jim is trying to get one up on) of the same rank at work as Jim? think he might be slightly more senior but not really relevant Or is he senior or junior to Jim, and is this relevant?

Is what they do at work relevant? not really If so, do Jim and his antagonist have the same, similar, or different positions? different positions about almost everything
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Does Jim hope that his colleague will do something as a result of hearing the phone call? Say something? Go somewhere? Or is his plan just to fool him?

Shot in the dark: does his staged message involve some hot chick that both men are interested in? ie 'So I've got a date with Vicky tonight...'
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Does Jim hope that his colleague will do something as a result of hearing the phone call? yesSay something? no Go somewhere? possibly Or is his plan just to fool him? he is trying to fool him also

Shot in the dark: does his staged message involve some hot chick that both men are interested in? ie 'So I've got a date with Vicky tonight...' nice idea but no
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Would Jim's plan have been as effective if he had said whatever he said on the phone, directly to the colleague instead? Are they actually not on speaking terms? Is there some other reason he can't tell him this lie to his face? Or does he go through the pretense just to be more convincing?

The thing he hopes the listener will do: does it involve work? Does he think he'll get the guy to get fired? Get in trouble somehow? Make a mistake? Lose face?

Do we need to know why the two men don't get along?
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Does Jim make it seem like what he is saying is a secret? That he doesn't want to be overheard? Does he mention the colleague by name? Refer to him? Does he refer to a place? An event? An action?
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Would Jim's plan have been as effective if he had said whatever he said on the phone, directly to the colleague instead? no Are they actually not on speaking terms? they don't get on well but do speak to each other Is there some other reason he can't tell him this lie to his face? no it's purely to do with playing a trick Or does he go through the pretense just to be more convincing? yes

The thing he hopes the listener will do: does it involve work? yes Does he think he'll get the guy to get fired? no Get in trouble somehow? yes Make a mistake? this too Lose face? and this

Do we need to know why the two men don't get along? no
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Does Jim make it seem like what he is saying is a secret? no That he doesn't want to be overheard? no Does he mention the colleague by name? no Refer to him? no Does he refer to a place? noAn event? no An action? yesish
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Is Jim trying to get his nemesis to:
Be rude to someone? The boss? Another colleague? A client/customer?
Mess up whatever he's working on?
Bunk off work early?
Break something?
Miss a meeting?
Snoop around somewhere he shouldnt?
Surf the internet on company time? Play Solitaire?
Is it something he could do while sat at his desk? Would he use his computer to do it? His phone?
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Is Jim trying to get his nemesis to:
Be rude to someone? no The boss? Another colleague? A client/customer? so no
Mess up whatever he's working on? no with a hint of ish
Bunk off work early? no
Break something? no
Miss a meeting? very possibly
Snoop around somewhere he shouldnt? no
Surf the internet on company time? No. I'd never create a puzzle about a fellow sufferer Play Solitaire? no - but you could be my new therapist
Is it something he could do while sat at his desk? no Would he use his computer to do it? no His phone? no

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Is it relevant where the colleague had to be to do this? or just that he couldn't do it at his desk? if relevant where he had to go;

someone else's desk/office?
toilets?
kitchen?
reception?
stationery room?
canteen?
mail room?
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If Jim were to actually carry out the plans he lies about over the phone, would he perform the same action as he hopes his colleague will do? Would he go to a particular place? Would he meet the friend? Say anything relevant?

Does the colleague think he will gain from carrying out the action? If so, work-wise (promotion, being able to perform a certain rask more easily etc)? If Jim were to carry out the plans he pretends to have made, would he benefit in this way? Or does the colleague think he would?

When performing the action, does the colleague expect to meet Jim at any point? To prevent him from doing something? To make something harder for Jim? To do something before Jim can? If Jim had not been trying to fool the colleague and had been telling the truth, would the action the colleague takes be considered immoral? Illegal? Sensible?
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Is it relevant where the colleague had to be to do this? no or just that he couldn't do it at his desk? No if relevant where he had to go;

someone else's desk/office?
toilets?
kitchen?
reception?
stationery room?
canteen?
mail room? none of these
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If Jim were to actually carry out the plans he lies about over the phone, would he perform the same action as he hopes his colleague will do? probably not Would he go to a particular place? not a particular placeWould he meet the friend? yes Say anything relevant? NO

Does the colleague think he will gain from carrying out the action? Jim's objective is to get the colleague to do something without realising he is doing it so no to this If so, work-wise (promotion, being able to perform a certain rask more easily etc)? If Jim were to carry out the plans he pretends to have made, would he benefit in this way? noOr does the colleague think he would? no Jim's plans have nothing to do with work

When performing the action, does the colleague expect to meet Jim at any point? the action is not one specific thing. This quite hard to explain but Jim's desire is to get him to do one overriding thing which could encompass several actions To prevent him from doing something? To make something harder for Jim? To do something before Jim can? no to all If Jim had not been trying to fool the colleague and had been telling the truth, would the action the colleague takes be considered immoral? Illegal? Sensible? the latter but be careful
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Is he hoping that the colleague will betray him to his boss and thus prove what a vile colleague he is? A sort of loyalty test?
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Is he hoping that the colleague will betray him to his boss and thus prove what a vile colleague he is? A sort of loyalty test? neither of these
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If the objective is to get the colleague to do something... the colleague will do something that has an unintended (for him) result? Will the colleague consider his own actions honest (for example, will he think he is stopping Jim from doing something illegal)?

You mentioned this is not a loyalty test, so whatever action Jim hopes his colleague will take is NOT relevant to what they do at work? Is their profession relevant at all to this, or could it be someone in any office?
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If the objective is to get the colleague to do something... the colleague will do something that has an unintended (for him) result? yes Will the colleague consider his own actions honest (for example, will he think he is stopping Jim from doing something illegal)? irr

You mentioned this is not a loyalty test, so whatever action Jim hopes his colleague will take is NOT relevant to what they do at work? not specifically to do with what they do at work but it has a bearing on their work however Is their profession relevant at all to this, or could it be someone in any office? in any office
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Will the colleague's action be outside or inside? Will it be some sort of paperwork? Physical work? Will it involve communication? (If so, face-to-face, phone, e-mail, chat, or other?) Will anyone other than Jim and his colleague be involved? Will Jim be involved in anyway other than making the fake phone call?

Are the historical period, time of day, location, or weather at all relevant to this question?
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Will the colleague's action be outside or inside? no Will it be some sort of paperwork? no Physical work? no Will it involve communication? no (If so, face-to-face, phone, e-mail, chat, or other?) Will anyone other than Jim and his colleague be involved? well the result will please some people in the office Will Jim be involved in anyway other than making the fake phone call? he will say other relevant things throughout the day

Are the historical period no, time of day no, location only that the phonecall happened during office hours, or weather at all no relevant to this question?

Hint : Jim's colleague had said something relevant earlier in the day which Jim had overheard? Jim is playing a trick on his colleague
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Hint: Jim is trying to get his colleague into trouble
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Anyone who has been following my Quote Unquote puzzle will now know that I'm off on holidays this friday so i'll post a major hint in the hope that this gets solved before then:

The day of the week that Jim's call took place is very relevant
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OK, so...
Monday?
Tuesday?
Weds?
Thurs?
Fri?
Sat?
Sun?

Is there something relevant that happens in the office on that day?
Could it have happened any week on that day?
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OK, so...
Monday?
Tuesday?
Weds?
Thurs? this
Fri?
Sat?
Sun?

Is there something relevant that happens in the office on that day? not every Thursday but Jim's colleague said something on this Thursday that inspired Jim to make his phonecall
Could it have happened any week on that day? noish . This would work best on a Thursday
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Was there anything unusual about the following weekend (e.g. it was 3-day)? Anything unusual about the schedule on the following Friday?
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Was there anything unusual about the following weekend (e.g. it was 3-day)? no the friday was a normal working day Anything unusual about the schedule on the following Friday? so no
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Did Jim imply Friday was a dress down day so the colleague would look out of place at work?
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Could it have happened on any Thursday? Or was there something special about this particular Thursday?
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Did Jim imply Friday was a dress down day so the colleague would look out of place at work? no but you're kinda on the right track
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Could it have happened on any Thursday? yopeOr was there something special about this particular Thursday? something Jim's colleague said made it possible for this to work on this particular Thursday
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Is the following Friday relevant at all? Did Jim mention the Friday in his call? Would the colleague have done the thing that would have got him into trouble on the Thursday? The Friday? Would he have got in trouble on the Thurs? The Fri?
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Does his colleague turn up for work on Friday? At the usual time? Is his arrival in any way different from normal?
Is the date relevant?
Did the thing the colleague said refer to the firm's policy? to another worker? to his personal life? to a social norm?
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Sunshine

Does his colleague turn up for work on Friday? yesAt the usual time? no...Well done Is his arrival in any way different from normal? yes
Is the date relevant? no
Did the thing the colleague said refer to the firm's policy? no.. and lets give this guy a name lets call him Tom to another worker? no to his personal life? no to a social norm? no

Enjay

Is the following Friday relevant at all? if you mean the friday after that Thursday then yes if you mean the friday of the next week then no Did Jim mention the Friday in his call? yope Would the colleague have done the thing that would have got him into trouble on the Thursday? no The Friday? yes Would he have got in trouble on the Thurs? no The Fri? yes

you are so close
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Did he turn up late? Early?

Assuming late for now, since arriving early would generally not get you into trouble...
Did Tom intend to turn up late? Did something make him late? Was the lateness what got him in trouble? Did he miss something important because of it?

Did Tom think that everybody was going to turn up at the different time? That he was supposed to? That he could safely do it and not get in trouble? Not be missed?
Did he think Jim would be coming in at a different time? Maybe he heard Jim would be coming in early to do something, and came in early himself to catch him at it?
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Did he turn up late? Early? late

Assuming late for now, since arriving early would generally not get you into trouble...
Did Tom intend to turn up late? no Did something make him late? yes... Jim's phonecall Was the lateness what got him in trouble? yes Did he miss something important because of it? no.. irr

Did Tom think that everybody was going to turn up at the different time? no but explore that thought That he was supposed to? no That he could safely do it and not get in trouble? no Not be missed? no
Did he think Jim would be coming in at a different time? yope Maybe he heard Jim would be coming in early to do something, and came in early himself to catch him at it? No
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Did Tom think everyone was going to do something before coming to work? on the way to work?
Was transport relevant?
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Did Tom think everyone was going to do something before coming to work? on the way to work?
Was transport relevant? no to all
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I'm confused. Jim made the phonecall on Thursday, which made Tom come in late for work the next day, but Tom didn't mean to be late? Did he leave the house at the same time he normally did? Did he do somehing relevant on the way to work? Before going to work? Was he delayed somehow?

As far as Tom knew, would Jim be arriving at work on Friday at the same time he always did? Earlier? Later? At the same time as Tom arrived?

Did Tom mistake the time at any point? Did Jim tell him the clocks had changed?
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Hmm, a little clarification: did Tom mean to arrive at the time when he did? But didn't realise that arriving at that time would make him late?
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I'm confused. Jim made the phonecall on Thursday, which made Tom come in late for work the next day, but Tom didn't mean to be late? yes Did he leave the house at the same time he normally did? no Did he do somehing relevant on the way to work? no Before going to work? no Was he delayed somehow? well yes. Why he was late is the solution

As far as Tom knew, would Jim be arriving at work on Friday at the same time he always did? no explore this Earlier? Later? neither At the same time as Tom arrived? no

Did Tom mistake the time at any point? noish Did Jim tell him the clocks had changed? on the right track but no
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Hmm, a little clarification: did Tom mean to arrive at the time when he did? no But didn't realise that arriving at that time would make him late? no
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Was there anything relevant on TV or radio on Friday morning - or did Tom think there was going to be?
Did he spend Thursday night in his own home?
Did Jim say he was going to carry out some surveillance on Tom? that something would arrive in the post - which normally came after Tom had left for work?
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Was there anything relevant on TV or radio on Friday morning - or did Tom think there was going to be? no
Did he spend Thursday night in his own home? yes
Did Jim say he was going to carry out some surveillance on Tom? nothat something would arrive in the post - which normally came after Tom had left for work? no
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Did Jim imply that the working hours were changing for some reason? That the office was going to be closed in the morning? Is it relevant how late Tom turned up?
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Did Jim imply that the working hours were changing for some reason? no That the office was going to be closed in the morning? yes Is it relevant how late Tom turned up? not really
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Welcome back!

Did Jim say on the phone that he had plans for the next morning, since the office would be closed? Did he suggest he was going to do something that would cause the office to be closed?
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Welcome back! merci!

Did Jim say on the phone that he had plans for the next morning, since the office would be closed? yes Did he suggest he was going to do something that would cause the office to be closed? but no

just a few details to be added
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Did Jim give the impression that he was talking to his and Tom's supervisor and getting instructions for the next day? Perhaps to meet said supervisor at another location on Friday, which would mean the supe would not be at work and Tom could safely come in late?
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Did Jim give the impression that he was talking to his and Tom's supervisor and getting instructions for the next day? no Perhaps to meet said supervisor at another location on Friday, which would mean the supe would not be at work and Tom could safely come in late? no Tom prided himself on his punctuality and in fact was a bit of a bore on the subject
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Did Tom think that he had simply missed the notice that the office would be closed? Did Jim say something like "Do you fancy meeting up tomorrow, since the office is closed" and Tom thought "Oo, I didn't know that, won't have to go in then"?
Did Tom believe that nobody would be coming in to work the next morning?
Was it due to be closed on some other morning, and Jim's phone call made Tom get confused about what day that was?

Did Jim choose to do this precisely because of Tom's punctuality? Because he thought it would be funny to make him come in late, since he prided himself on never being so?
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Did Tom think that he had simply missed the notice that the office would be closed? no Did Jim say something like "Do you fancy meeting up tomorrow, since the office is closed" and Tom thought "Oo, I didn't know that, won't have to go in then"? no but on the right track
Did Tom believe that nobody would be coming in to work the next morning? yes...now why would that be
Was it due to be closed on some other morning, and Jim's phone call made Tom get confused about what day that was? exactly

Did Jim choose to do this precisely because of Tom's punctuality? yes Because he thought it would be funny to make him come in late, since he prided himself on never being so? right again...can you spoyle now
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Was it due to be closed on some other morning, and Jim's phone call made Tom get confused about what day that was? exactly sorry answer to that should have yope... remember Tom has said something relevant that day
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HINT:

It's very relevant that this puzzle takes place on a Thursday!!

Please put this out of it's misery
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Well, since I already tried the idea of a 3-day weekend (sometime way back, I don't remember when)...

Was there anything out of the ordinary that usually would happen in that office on a Thursday? on a Friday?
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Well, since I already tried the idea of a 3-day weekend (sometime way back, I don't remember when)... yeah seems a long time ago

Was there anything out of the ordinary that usually would happen in that office on a Thursday? on a Friday? neither i'm afraid

Big Hint : Tom is mistaken about something
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Did Tom think he was not supposed to be in work on the Friday?
Was Tom confused about the day? the date?
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Did Tom think he was not supposed to be in work on the Friday? no
Was Tom confused about the day? yes the date? i suppose yes but not as relevant as the day
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Had Tom been on holiday? Did Tom realise that tommorow was Friday?
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Had Tom been on holiday? no Did Tom realise that tommorow was Friday? no..at last someone asked that

so why did Jim make that call
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Did Tom mention that he could not find his Diary/PDA and he was lost without it?
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Did Tom mention that he could not find his Diary/PDA and he was lost without it? No
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Was Tom medically sound? Drunk? Very stupid? In hospital? In a coma? (just trying to think of why a rational person would not know what day it was!!!)
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Did Jim simply confuse Tom into thinking tomorrow was Saturday?

Is it relevant exactly why Tom got the day wrong, or was Jim's call enough to cause him to be mistaken?
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Was Tom medically sound? Drunk? Very stupid? In hospital? In a coma? (just trying to think of why a rational person would not know what day it was!!!) see below

Did Jim simply confuse Tom into thinking tomorrow was Saturday? well he reinforced the idea

Is it relevant exactly why Tom got the day wrong, or was Jim's call enough to cause him to be mistaken? no

You're pretty much there so i'll go ahead and spoil

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Tom is always boasting about his attendance and punctuality record at work and is a real bore on the subject. So when Tom states on a thursday that he is looking forward to his saturday lie in the next morning this is manna from heavan for Jim. Jim then proceeds to ring a buddy's answering machine and in a loud voice (knowing that Tom will overhear) asks what are his plans for tomorrow considering that it's saturday. Throughout the day Jim discusses programmes which he "watched" last night which are broadcast on a thursday night thus reinforcing Tom's mistaken notion that today is friday.

I nicked this story from the US version of "The Office". The episode ends with Tom franctically running into the office at around 11.30 on Friday morning. If you haven't seen this episode i urge you to do so it's hilarious

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