| Author | Message | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 818 Registered: 12-2004 |
A doorbell rings and in a few minutes the whole family is dead. Why? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 819 Registered: 12-2004 |
And for all the old puzzlers, yes, the answer is the same as it was six years ago. | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 148 Registered: 1-2008 |
Was there a person at a door? If so, was the person a killer? Did they get killed by an accident? A gas? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 826 Registered: 12-2004 |
Howardwoman: Was there a person at a door? Yes If so, was the person a killer? Irrelevant Did they get killed by an accident? Yope A gas? No | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 149 Registered: 1-2008 |
Were they killed by an object? A person? Were they killed on purpose? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 830 Registered: 12-2004 |
Howardwoman: Were they killed by an object? FA A person? FA Were they killed on purpose? No, beware FA | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
New member Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 693 Registered: 9-2007 |
A family of human beings? some other creatures? non-living objects? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 832 Registered: 12-2004 |
Noobdogg: A family of human beings? Yes some other creatures? No non-living objects? No | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
New member Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 695 Registered: 9-2007 |
Damn that was quick! The doorbell of their house? Is the FA that they were killed? Did they simply die as an indirect result of an event? | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 150 Registered: 1-2008 |
Did they die by illness? Die by suicide? Homicide? Is it relevant how they died? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 833 Registered: 12-2004 |
Noobdogg: Damn that was quick! I usually am, when I'm in the process of "catching up" on the forum. The doorbell of their house? Yes Is the FA that they were killed? Yope Did they simply die as an indirect result of an event? Yope | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 834 Registered: 12-2004 |
Howardwoman: Did they die by illness? FA Die by suicide? FA Homicide? FA Is it relevant how they died? Yes | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 835 Registered: 12-2004 |
HINT: Look carefully at the puzzle statement, and then carefully at the questions I answered with "FA" and "Yope". | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 151 Registered: 1-2008 |
Is the family dead, in the sense of no longer living? Died as in tie die? | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 152 Registered: 1-2008 |
Whoops, retract the second question, because you never used the word "die" | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 836 Registered: 12-2004 |
Howardwoman: Is the family dead, in the sense of no longer living? Correct Died as in tie die? I believe that would be "dye", but the answer is no. HINT: Try rephrasing previous questions, or making them more or less specific. | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 153 Registered: 1-2008 |
Did a person/object/phenomenon cause the death of the family? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 837 Registered: 12-2004 |
Howardwoman: Did a person/object/phenomenon cause the death of the family? FA | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 838 Registered: 12-2004 |
Howardwoman : Whoops, retract the second question, because you never used the word "die" This is very close to the FA; think about it. | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 154 Registered: 1-2008 |
Uhhhhhh...does the have to do with a missing word? An extra word? | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 155 Registered: 1-2008 |
Sorry, I mean does the FA have to do with a missing word or extra word in my questions? | ||
| Vagary (Vagary)
New member Username: Vagary Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was most (or all) of the family dead to begin with? The ring of the doorbell cause the last remaining family member's dead, and so now the 'whole' family is dead? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 839 Registered: 12-2004 |
Howardwoman: Sorry, I mean does the FA have to do with a missing word or extra word in my questions? No-ish. Hint: The puzzle is carefully worded. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 618 Registered: 8-2005 |
Were the family all dead before the doorbell rang? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 855 Registered: 12-2004 |
Martinfg: Were the family all dead before the doorbell rang? No, but you are on the right track. | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
New member Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 696 Registered: 9-2007 |
You missed Vagary's question. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 619 Registered: 8-2005 |
Hi you missed Vagaray's q's from 7:45 | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 858 Registered: 12-2004 |
Actually, that wasn't there when I started writing. Vagary: Was most (or all) of the family dead to begin with? Not quite. The ring of the doorbell cause the last remaining family member's dead, and so now the 'whole' family is dead? Nope, but you are incredibly close. | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 620 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did a member of the family ring the doorbell? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 468 Registered: 6-2003 |
Was any member of the family dead before the doorbell rang? Was any member of the family dead after the doorbell rang? Did any member of the family die while the doorbell was ringing? afterwards? Was the door ever opened? if so: from within the house? Relevant who was ringing? Were all members of the family in the same place when the doorbell rang? if so: were they in the house? Were all members of the family in the same place when they died? if so: were they in the house? Were all members of the family real human beings? Relevant how many they were? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 868 Registered: 12-2004 |
Martinfg: Did a member of the family ring the doorbell? No Sundowner: Was any member of the family dead before the doorbell rang? Yes Was any member of the family dead after the doorbell rang? Yes Did any member of the family die while the doorbell was ringing? No afterwards? Yes Was the door ever opened? No if so: from within the house? Relevant who was ringing? Noish Were all members of the family in the same place when the doorbell rang? No if so: were they in the house? Were all members of the family in the same place when they died? No if so: were they in the house? Were all members of the family real human beings? Yes Relevant how many they were? Yes | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did those of them who died BEFORE the doorbell rang, die immediately before it happened? Or have they been dead for quite a long time, and the only one who died after the bell rang was the last surviving member of the family? Was the doorbell somehow related to the death of those who died after it rang? If so, directly (like, a spark from the doorbell caused gas explosion in the house) or indirectly (the doorbell frightened them to death)? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did those of them who died BEFORE the doorbell rang, die immediately before it happened? And those who died AFTER it rang, did they die immediately after? Or had they been dead for quite a long time, and the only one who died after the bell rang was the last surviving member of the family? Was the doorbell somehow related to the death of those who died after it rang? If so, directly (like, a spark from the doorbell caused gas explosion in the house) or indirectly (the doorbell frightened them to death)? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 870 Registered: 12-2004 |
Alhucema: Did those of them who died BEFORE the doorbell rang, die immediately before it happened? Noish, for SVV of "immediately" And those who died AFTER it rang, did they die immediately after? Yesish, for SVV of "immediately" Or had they been dead for quite a long time, and the only one who died after the bell rang was the last surviving member of the family? No Was the doorbell somehow related to the death of those who died after it rang? Yes If so, directly (like, a spark from the doorbell caused gas explosion in the house) or indirectly (the doorbell frightened them to death)? Yes Oh, and the ringing of the doorbell indirectly caused the death of those who died after the ringing of the doorbell. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 871 Registered: 12-2004 |
Sometimes when I ask questions, I like to put a bunch of question marks in the middle of sentences. This allows me to figure out which parts of an idea are correct and which are not. For example, I could ask, "Did the entire family die? in the same manner? or did one? or more family members? die in a different manner?", which would be answered like this: Did the entire family die? Yes in the same manner? No or did one? No or more family members? Yes die in a different manner? Yes | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2008 |
The question marks are a good idea, thanks. Just for the reasons of clarity: if I had used more question marks as you suggest, would any of your answers to my last post have been different? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 872 Registered: 12-2004 |
Alhucema: Just for the reasons of clarity: if I had used more question marks as you suggest, would any of your answers to my last post have been different? No. But I did give you that it was indirect, even though it technically wasn't phrased as a yes/no question. | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 297 Registered: 10-2003 |
were the members of the family that were already dead when the bell rang inside the house? were the members of the famliy that died after the bell rang inside the house? is the reason why the bell caused the death related to the cause of death of the members that died before? what caused the death of the bell-victims: the noise? electricity? the fact that somebody is at the door? was anybody at the door who rang the bell? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 873 Registered: 12-2004 |
Cookie: were the members of the family that were already dead when the bell rang inside the house? No were the members of the famliy that died after the bell rang inside the house? Yes is the reason why the bell caused the death related to the cause of death of the members that died before? Noish what caused the death of the bell-victims: the noise? Yope electricity? No the fact that somebody is at the door? Yesish was anybody at the door who rang the bell Yes, but their identity is not relevant. | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 156 Registered: 1-2008 |
Was there a noise? as a result of the doorbell? ringing? If so, did the noise kill the people indirectly? by distracting them? Scaring them? Is the volume of the supposed noise relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did those who died after the bell rang expect that whoever was ringing the bell was dangerous to them? If so, were they right? Did those who died before die in the same manner? At the same time? For the same reason? Were the surviving family members afraid they were going to die for the same reason as those who died before the bell rang? Was the death of those who died before the bell rang, violent? Or "natural"? And of those who died after? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 876 Registered: 12-2004 |
Howardwoman: Was there a noise? Yep as a result of the doorbell? Yep ringing? Yep If so, did the noise kill the people indirectly? Yesish by distracting them? No Scaring them? No Is the volume of the supposed noise relevant? Nope Alhucema: Did those who died after the bell rang expect that whoever was ringing the bell was dangerous to them? No If so, were they right? Did those who died before die in the same manner? Yes, but beware FA At the same time? Yes, but beware FA For the same reason? Yes, but beware FA Were the surviving family members afraid they were going to die for the same reason as those who died before the bell rang? Nope Was the death of those who died before the bell rang, violent? Yes Or "natural"? No And of those who died after? Yope | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did the doorbell trigger anything causing the death of the "after" people? If so, was this "anything" physical (like triggering a bomb inside the house)? Was it related to the deaths of the "before" people? Did the "after" and "before" people die in the same way? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 887 Registered: 12-2004 |
Alhucema: Did the doorbell trigger anything causing the death of the "after" people? Noish If so, was this "anything" physical (like triggering a bomb inside the house)? No Was it related to the deaths of the "before" people? Yope Did the "after" and "before" people die in the same way? No Hint: You might want to find out specifically who's in these groups and how each person died. | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 169 Registered: 10-2008 |
Although I know this isn't the case, it would be fun if... The doorbell was rang by a middle aged man in short tan shorts who and recently run out of a big brown van. After dropping his parcel he rang the bell, ran out to this truck and sped off. Little did he notice, the last remaining members of the family were (1) getting the mail, but crouched over to pick up a dropped letter. He ran her over on accident, panicked, and threw it in reverse. He then hit the kid who was (2) untangling his shoelace from his bike chain behind the van. Now the whole family is dead a few minutes after the doorbell rang. I'm a little sick apparently. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 888 Registered: 12-2004 |
Although I know this isn't the case, it would be fun if... The doorbell was rang by a middle aged man in short tan shorts who and recently run out of a big brown van. After dropping his parcel he rang the bell, ran out to this truck and sped off. Little did he notice, the last remaining members of the family were (1) getting the mail, but crouched over to pick up a dropped letter. He ran her over on accident, panicked, and threw it in reverse. He then hit the kid who was (2) untangling his shoelace from his bike chain behind the van. Now the whole family is dead a few minutes after the doorbell rang. I'm a little sick apparently. Dang it, you stole the idea for my next puzzle. :-] It's always about people dying. | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 588 Registered: 5-2008 |
Were there [Insert LTPF list of positive integers] family members? in the house? alive before the doorbell rang? Did any or all family members alive and in the house before the ringing of the doorbell move to answer it? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 896 Registered: 12-2004 |
Were there [Insert LTPF list of positive integers] family members? Yes in the house? Yes alive before the doorbell rang? Yes Did any or all family members alive and in the house before the ringing of the doorbell move to answer it? Yes, good question There were two family members in the house when the doorbell rang. They were both alive when the doorbell rang. | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 589 Registered: 5-2008 |
Were there three members of this particular family? One of whom was already dead? and had died from the same cause as the cause of the death of one? or both? of the other two? However the cause of death in the first instance and the in the second/third instance were themselves caused by different things? In the case of the second/? third? instance this cause of cause of death was the ringing/answering of the doorbell? Are the second and third instances one in the same, i.e. did the two members of the family alive in the house before the ringing of the doorbell die of the same cause? Did anyone, family member or otherwise, enter the house after the doorbell was rang? die? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 897 Registered: 12-2004 |
Were there three members of this particular family? Yes One of whom was already dead? Yes and had died from the same cause as the cause of the death of one? No or both? Nope of the other two? That's a negative. However the cause of death in the first instance and the in the second/third instance were themselves caused by different things? Yesish In the case of the second/? Yesish third? Yesish instance this cause of cause of death was the ringing/answering of the doorbell? Yesish Are the second and third instances one in the same, i.e. did the two members of the family alive in the house before the ringing of the doorbell die of the same cause? Yope Did anyone, family member or otherwise, enter the house after the doorbell was rang? Yes die? Two people did die after the door was rang. The two members of the family (all of which is now dead) who were alive before the doorbell was rang. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was the family member who died before the bell rang (let me call him/her A)? human? adult? male? The same question for those two who died after (let me call them B and C)? Was A in perfect mental? physical health? Was B? Was C? | ||
| Unleashedllama (Unleashedllama)
New member Username: Unleashedllama Post Number: 85 Registered: 5-2008 |
Did the person who rang the bell know that a member of the family had died? relevant? If he did know that there'd been a death, was that why he was at the door? Was he bringing bad news? was he responsible? for the death of the family member who was already dead? the other two? Did the two family members in the house know that a member of the family had died? before the door bell rang? after? Did both of these family members go to answer the door? just one? relevant? | ||
| Cookie (Cookie)
New member Username: Cookie Post Number: 301 Registered: 10-2003 |
the members of the family were: father, mother, child? father, child, grandfather? Did each of the the two family members inside the house know that the other one is inside the house? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 898 Registered: 12-2004 |
Alhucema: Was the family member who died before the bell rang (let me call him/her A)?Yes human? Yes adult? Yes male? No The same question for those two who died after (let me call them B and C)?Yes, Yes, Yes, No; Yes, Yes, No, No Was A in perfect mental? Yes physical health? Yes Was B? Yes, Yes Was C? Yes, Yesish Unleashedllama: Did the person who rang the bell know that a member of the family had died? Yes relevant? Yes If he did know that there'd been a death, was that why he was at the door? Yes Was he bringing bad news? If you consider a death of a family member to be bad news, then yes was he responsible? No for the death of the family member who was already dead? No the other two? Yesish Did the two family members in the house know that a member of the family had died? No before the door bell rang? No after? No Did both of these family members go to answer the door? No just one? Yesish relevant? Yes Cookie: the members of the family were: father, mother, child? Yes father, child, grandfather? Nope Did each of the the two family members inside the house know that the other one is inside the house? Yes | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 160 Registered: 1-2008 |
I'm a little confused here, so let me get this straight. There was a mother? who died? before the doorbell was rung? who was in perfect mental? and physical health? And there was a father? who died? after the doorbell was rung? who was in perfect mental? and physical health? And finally, a daughter? who died? after the doorbell was rung? who was in perfect mental health? And almost perfect physical health? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 901 Registered: 12-2004 |
****BLOOPER ALERT********* The top part of my above post should read as follows: Alhucema: Was the family member who died before the bell rang (let me call him/her A)? Yes human? Yes adult? Yes male? Yes | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 902 Registered: 12-2004 |
Howardwoman: I'm a little confused here, so let me get this straight. There was a mother? No, should be father (see blooper) who died? Yes before the doorbell was rung? Yes who was in perfect mental? Yes and physical health? Yes And there was a father? <b>No, should be mother (see blooper) who died? Yes after the doorbell was rung? Yes who was in perfect mental? Yes and physical health? Yes And finally, a daughter? Yes who died? Yes after the doorbell was rung? Yes who was in perfect mental health? Yes And almost perfect physical health? For the purposes of this puzzle, we can say perfect physical health | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 903 Registered: 12-2004 |
********RECAP************* A doorbell rings and in a few minutes the whole family is dead. 1)The family consists of a father, mother, and a daughter. 2)The father died before the doorbell was rung. 3) The mother and the daughter died after the doorbell was rung. 4) The mother and daughter were in the house when the doorbell rang. 5) The mother was in the house when she died. 6) The daughter was in the house when she died. 7) The father was not in the house when he died. 8) A person whose identity is irrelevant (let's call him/her "Sam") found out about the father's death. 9) "Sam" went to the door of the house and rang the doorbell, with the intention of bringing the family the bad news about the father. 10) The occurrence in (9) ultimately led to the mother and daughter's deaths. | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 175 Registered: 10-2008 |
Was "Sam" actually "Death" incognito? =) Did same deliver news of a congenital condition? Was the father murdered? killed by someone accidentally? killed by nature? just died? are these even relevant? The congenital thing doesn't really transfer to the mom...but oh well, I'll keep it anyway | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 904 Registered: 12-2004 |
Was "Sam" actually "Death" incognito? Bingo. It's a game that youthfully challenged individuals (Nimue, read as: "old people") like to play. But that's not relevant. The answer to your question is no. =) Did same deliver news of a congenital condition? Nope Was the father murdered? Nope killed by someone accidentally? Yope killed by nature? Noish just died? Yope are these even relevant? Yope The congenital thing doesn't really transfer to the mom...but oh well, I'll keep it anyway Fo' sho, homie. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1546 Registered: 1-2007 |
IS there anything we need to find out about the doorbell itself? Is it a normal "ding dong" bell or does it play a tune? Anything relevant about the front door? is it solid wood. Is there glass panels through which one can see? Do mother and daughter die in the same room? relevant which room? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did F? M? D? commit suicide? Did any of them kill any of the others? Should we explore more about "Sam"? If so, about his profession? Relationship to any of the family members? Any other information? Did mother and/or daughter know there was something wrong with the father? in general? when the doorbell rang? Because the doorbell rang? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 907 Registered: 12-2004 |
Peter365: IS there anything we need to find out about the doorbell itself? No Is it a normal "ding dong" bell or does it play a tune? Irrelevant Anything relevant about the front door? No is it solid wood. Irrelevant Is there glass panels through which one can see? Irrelevant Do mother and daughter die in the same room? No relevant which room? Yes Alhucema: Did F? No M? Nope D? Negative commit suicide? And also no Did any of them kill any of the others? Yope Should we explore more about "Sam"? Nope. As I said in the recap, his specific identity is irrelevant. If so, about his profession? Nope Relationship to any of the family members? Nope Any other information? Let's just say Sam was a neighbor who went to the door to inform the family about the father's death. Nothing else about him/her is relevant. Did mother and/or daughter know there was something wrong with the father? No. in general? No when the doorbell rang? No Because the doorbell rang? Nope | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did M and/or D think that the purpose why Sam came was different than it really was? Did they know it was Sam who was ringing the bell? Were any of them afraid of the father? | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 163 Registered: 1-2008 |
Did M? or D? answer the door? Did Sam enter the house? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 908 Registered: 12-2004 |
Alhucema: Did M and/or D think that the purpose why Sam came was different than it really was? No Did they know it was Sam who was ringing the bell? Nope Were any of them afraid of the father? Irrelevant Howardwoman: Did M? Nope or D? Nope answer the door? Nope, good question Did Sam enter the house? Nope | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 164 Registered: 1-2008 |
Did M? or D? see Sam at all? Did M? or D? know who was at the door? Did M? or D? die while trying to get to the door? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2008 |
The reason why M or D did not answer the door: they did not want to (M? D?) they were not able to (M? D?) they were able to go towards the door but were interrupted (M? D?) Is the cause of F's death relevant? or just the fact he died and Sam came to tell the family? Was the house an ordinary house or was there anything special about it (like e.g. a trap inside it? house burning?) | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 909 Registered: 12-2004 |
Howardwoman: Did M? Nope or D? Nope see Sam at all? Nope Did M? Nope or D? Nope know who was at the door? No Did M? Yes or D? No... die while trying to get to the door? Yes! Alhucema: The reason why M or D did not answer the door: The reason why M did not answer the door is because she died before she reached the door. they did not want to (M? No D?) they were not able to (M? Yes, inasmuch as she died. D? Yes) they were able to go towards the door but were interrupted (M? Yes, if dying can be considered an interruption. D? Nope) Is the cause of F's death relevant? Well, the object of this puzzle is determine the reason why the family died. or just the fact he died and Sam came to tell the family? This is all that affects the other parts of the puzzle. Was the house an ordinary house or was there anything special about it Yes, one of the two is true. (like e.g. a trap inside it? Nope house burning? Nope) | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2008 |
ok, I see. Was there anything special about the house? Or was it just an ordinary house? So M died before she reached the door, ok? Does the same hold for D? Was D still alive when M died? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 910 Registered: 12-2004 |
ok, I see. Was there anything special about the house? Nothing out of the ordinary Or was it just an ordinary house? So yes So M died before she reached the door, ok? That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Does the same hold for D? Well, D did not head for the door. D died before M could reach the door. Was D still alive when M died? Yes | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 911 Registered: 12-2004 |
For the purposes of this LTP, it can be assumed that health issues are irrelevant. (Although I do have some questions about a character's health... but, again, this is not relevant.) We are also assuming that death is an instantaneous event (that is, it is not a process that continues for some extended period of time). Disease and other illness are not relevant. | ||
| Vagary (Vagary)
New member Username: Vagary Post Number: 64 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did they die of natural causes? Unnatural causes(poisoning, for example)? Die from poisoning? Blunt trauma? Stabbity? Did they know they were going to die before they did? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did any object intervene in M's death? D's? Did D see M die? Relevant? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 913 Registered: 12-2004 |
Did they die of natural causes? If you're not 120 years old, there's no such thing as a "natural" death, IMHO. So no. Unnatural causes(poisoning, for example)? So, I'll say it is unnatural. But not poisoning. Die from poisoning? Nope Blunt trauma? Yope Stabbity? I'm not sure what you mean. Did they know they were going to die before they did? Nope | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 914 Registered: 12-2004 |
Alhucema: Did any object intervene in M's death? This is incredibly vague. D's? This is incredibly vague. Did D see M die? No Relevant? Yope | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2008 |
ok, let me make my vagueness more credible ;-)): Did M just fall down dead without any apparent reason? Or did her death result from a contact with any physical object (such as a bullet? a floor? anything else?) Same questions for D? Did D ever attempt to answer the door? Did D move after the bell rang? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 916 Registered: 12-2004 |
<b>As far as I know, this quote accurately shows usage of the word "stabbity": "Dang, I bought these pants and cut off the tags, but there's still this stabbity little tag dangly embedded in a seam; I can't get it out!" | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 917 Registered: 12-2004 |
Alhucema: ok, let me make my vagueness more credible ;-)): That does make it easier for me. Did M just fall down dead without any apparent reason? No, but... Or did her death result from a contact with any physical object (such as a bullet? No a floor? Yes anything else? I doubt it.) Same questions for D? Yes Did D ever attempt to answer the door? No Did D move after the bell rang? Everything is in constant motion. If you are asking if she changed location, she did not | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 918 Registered: 12-2004 |
Did D just fall down dead without any apparent reason? No Or did her death result from a contact with any physical object Yope (such as a bullet? No a floor? No anything else? Yope | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 919 Registered: 12-2004 |
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| Vagary (Vagary)
New member Username: Vagary Post Number: 65 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did M fall down the stairs? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 921 Registered: 12-2004 |
Vagary: Did M fall down the stairs? Yep. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did something fall on D? and kill her? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 923 Registered: 12-2004 |
Alhucema: Did something fall on D? No and kill her? Nope | ||
| Vagary (Vagary)
New member Username: Vagary Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was D killed by.. ..extreme trauma to the torso? ..head? and either of the above caused by a wooden object? metal? plastic? sharp? Did D HEAR her mother fall down the stairs? She she die in the process of going to investigate? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 925 Registered: 12-2004 |
Vagary: Was D killed by.. ..extreme trauma to the torso? No ..head? Nope and either of the above caused by a wooden object? No metal? No plastic? Nope sharp? Negative Did D HEAR her mother fall down the stairs? Irrelevant She she die in the process of going to investigate? No | ||
| Vagary (Vagary)
New member Username: Vagary Post Number: 70 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was D murdered? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 926 Registered: 12-2004 |
Vagary: Was D murdered? No. What I said about the family not being killed on purpose is true for each family member, although the question was very vague. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2008 |
So D basically remained at the same place all the time, right? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 929 Registered: 12-2004 |
Alhucema: So D basically remained at the same place all the time, right? Yes | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 40 Registered: 11-2008 |
Would you classify M's death as an accident? F's? D's? | ||
| Vagary (Vagary)
New member Username: Vagary Post Number: 72 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was D... poisoned? malnourished/dehydrated (until death)? exsanguinated? did she fall in any way? did she break bones? kill herself? was she previously in critical condition for some reason? Did the SOUND of the doorbell indrectly kill her somehow? Did she die shorlty after her mother (0-5min)? before? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 932 Registered: 12-2004 |
Alhucema: Would you classify M's death as an accident? Yes, inasmuch as she did not intend to kill herself falling down the stairs. F's? <b>Yes D's? Yes Vagary: Was D... poisoned? No malnourished/dehydrated (until death)? No exsanguinated? No did she fall in any way? No did she break bones? No kill herself? No was she previously in critical condition for some reason? No Did the SOUND of the doorbell indrectly kill her somehow? Yes, but not as directly as with M. Did she die shorlty after her mother (0-5min)? Sure before? No | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 165 Registered: 9-2008 |
I think I've heard this before. Did D drown in the bathtub? | ||
| Vagary (Vagary)
New member Username: Vagary Post Number: 76 Registered: 11-2008 |
Ooh. That makes sense, now. | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 183 Registered: 10-2008 |
Everything is in constant motion. If you are asking if she changed location, she did not. Unless you consider Zeno's position =) Google Zeno's Paradox of Motion, there's a stanford school of philosophy article that discusses all of his paradoxes. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 941 Registered: 12-2004 |
Rcs: I think I've heard this before. Did D drown in the bathtub? yes | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 942 Registered: 12-2004 |
I think all that's left is figuring out how F died. And I have already examined Zeno's position and refuted it. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 945 Registered: 12-2004 |
The above comment about the absurdity, yet apparent validity, of Zeno's paradoxes should be italicized. | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 166 Registered: 9-2008 |
The way I've heard this, F is killed in a war, then somebody comes to the door to tell M and D that F was killed. Is that right? | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 186 Registered: 10-2008 |
I thought italics were for asides from the puzzle. You say you have refuted all of Zeno's paradoxes? I'd love to read your thesis...no man to date has yet adequately refuted them...that we know of ;) | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 946 Registered: 12-2004 |
The way I've heard this, F is killed in a war, then somebody comes to the door to tell M and D that F was killed. Is that right? Not this time, I wouldn't make it that easy. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 947 Registered: 12-2004 |
OK. Zeno Paradox = a faster moving object can never overtake a slower moving object Counterexample: A car will pass a person walking in the same direction. Done! | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 166 Registered: 1-2008 |
Did F have a violent? or natural death? | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 193 Registered: 10-2008 |
Doctapeppa, my friend, be charitable! If we are to consider something, let us consider it in its strongest sense. Part of this paradox is that it is so counter-intuitive. The paradox itself is built around Achilles not being able to pass a tortoise, pretty much the same as what you said, just different players. Also, you did not address my assumption that italics are meant as an aside. Is that not the case? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 948 Registered: 12-2004 |
I thought italics were for asides from the puzzle. Yes You say you have refuted all of Zeno's paradoxes? No. I'd love to read your thesis...no man to date has yet adequately refuted them...that we know of ;) Too bad. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 949 Registered: 12-2004 |
Did F have a violent? Yep or natural death? If you're not 120 years old, there's no such thing as a "natural" death, IMHO. So no. Deja vu? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 950 Registered: 12-2004 |
All the lateral thinking has already been accomplished. Does anybody care if I go ahead with the $P0!13R? Doctapeppa, my friend, be charitable! I try, and I try, and I try, and I try, I can't get no If we are to consider something, let us consider it in its strongest sense. Especially totalitarian government. Part of this paradox is that it is so counter-intuitive. Yep The paradox itself is built around Achilles not being able to pass a tortoise, pretty much the same as what you said, just different players. Oh, but guess what! 0.9999... = 1. Who would have thoughted it? Also, you did not address my assumption that italics are meant as an aside. I apologize. Everything. Has. Been. Addressed. Now. Is that not the case? It is not the case that that is not the case. | ||
| Howardwoman (Howardwoman)
New member Username: Howardwoman Post Number: 167 Registered: 1-2008 |
Go ahead and spoil. I'm curious. Good puzzle! | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 951 Registered: 12-2004 |
*********************SPOILER*********SPOILER********SPOILER********* The house contains a family of a husband, a wife, and a 2-year-old girl. The husband was in a car accident and got killed so someone needed to notify the family. The person rings the bell when the wife is washing her daughter in the bathtub and when the wife heard the doorbell, she ran down the stairs and tripped and died. The water was still on and the baby drowned. My question... What kind of a person leaves a two-year-old in a bathtub unattended? |
