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Gourami (Gourami)
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Before a test, Jason will often look up the capital of the Ottoman Empire, write it down on a piece of paper, then immediately throw the paper away. Why?
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Jason: H? A? M?
A particular test? A school test? In a particlar subject?
Does he write down the word "Constantinople"?
Is it relevant how he looks it up? Where he writes it down? Where he throws the paper afterwards? Does he do it immediately before a test? The night before?
Does he hope this will help him succeed in his test? If so, does it work?
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A Pnemonic? acronym of some sort?
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He writes down the word "Istanbul?"
Does this have anything to do with something that has multiple names (Byzantium -> Constantinople -> Istanbul)?
Do the letters stand for something?
Is Jason studying a specific subject?
Is he cheating?
Is this an academic test? A physical test? A mental test?
Are location, language, age, or time period relevant?
Are Jason's name or gender relevant?
Does doing this help Jason focus? Otherwise prepare for the test?
Is it relevant that he needs to look it up (rather than being able to recall it after the first time)?
Relevant that he writes it down? On a piece of paper? Throws it out?
Does he write it in pencil or pen, and is this relevant?
If paper were not available, could he type it on a typewriter or print it off a word processor?
If so, would he still throw it away?
Is the color or size of the paper relevant?
Does he write things down to help him remember them, but does not need the paper afterwards? (this was a technique I often used in high school.)
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Jason: H? A? M? Yes, teenager-to-adult.
A particular test? No. A school test? Yes. In a particlar subject? Nope, could be any.
Does he write down the word "Constantinople"? Yes.
Is it relevant how he looks it up? Yes. Where he writes it down? Yesish. Where he throws the paper afterwards? No. Does he do it immediately before a test? This. The night before?
Does he hope this will help him succeed in his test? Yesish. If so, does it work? Yes.

Noobdogg (Noobdogg)

A Mnemonic? acronym of some sort? No.

Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)

He writes down the word "Istanbul?" Istanbul was Constantanople. Now it's Istanbul, not Constantanople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night.

Sorry.


Does this have anything to do with something that has multiple names (Byzantium -> Constantinople -> Istanbul)? No.
Do the letters stand for something? No.
Is Jason studying a specific subject? Irrelevant.
Is he cheating? No...with a tiny ish.
Is this an academic test? This. A physical test? A mental test?
Are location, language, age, or time period relevant? Let's say, modern North American/European high school or university.
Are Jason's name or gender relevant? No.
Does doing this help Jason focus? No.Otherwise prepare for the test? Yes.
Is it relevant that he needs to look it up (rather than being able to recall it after the first time)? Yes.
Relevant that he writes it down? On a piece of paper? Yes. Throws it out? Not really.
Does he write it in pencil or pen, and is this relevant? Pencil. YES.
If paper were not available, could he type it on a typewriter or print it off a word processor? NO.
If so, would he still throw it away?
Is the color or size of the paper relevant? No.
Does he write things down to help him remember them, but does not need the paper afterwards? (this was a technique I often used in high school.)No.

This might go quicker than I thought.
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Is he practicing his handwriting? Does he truly forget the name "Constantinople" every time? Does he look it up because he can't recall the spelling? Are their other ancient cities whose names would work for the same purpose?
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Does he use the pencil he will use in the exam? Is he testing it? Getting used to writing quickly by writing down a difficult word? Would this be more use to him in an essay-based exam than one which requires brief answers?

Does he actually need to look it up each time? Ie. does he forget what it is each time? Or is the looking up an integral part of his preparation?
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Does he press rather hard with the pencil? So that it makes marks underneath? On the cover sheet? On the answer sheet? Does he use the pencil to rub, in the style of brass-rubbing?

Is there anything special about the paper he discards? Is it, perhaps, a piece of carbon paper? Blotting paper? Is the sharpness of the pencil relevant? Would it work as well with a 2H pencil as with a 4B pencil?

You say he "looks up" Constantinople every time, yes? Is this because he needs to remember how to spell it? He doesn't have some sort of word-related disability, does he? Does he look it up online? In a dictionary? In a reference book? An atlas? While looking it up, does he see something else that's relevant to the exam?

Is it actually an open-book exam in which it is legal to consult texts for, say, spellings, but not for other reasons? Thus, he might be pretending to look for Constantinople but actually be looking at something else. Does the invigilator see him looking up the word? Is the invigilator relevant at all?

Are there any relevant exam regulations relating to pencils (as distinct from pens)?

Does he use an eraser in any way during the exam?
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Is he taking a test with one of those fill-in-the-bubble sheets? And is he writing a long word (specifically, Constantinople) to adjust the pencil lead to his liking (sharpness, thickness, evenness)?
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Is he practicing his handwriting? No. Does he truly forget the name "Constantinople" every time? No. Does he look it up because he can't recall the spelling? No. Are there other ancient cities whose names would work for the same purpose? Yes.

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Does he use the pencil he will use in the exam? Yes. Is he testing it? Getting used to writing quickly by writing down a difficult word? No. Would this be more use to him in an essay-based exam than one which requires brief answers? No, actually, probably more help for short answers.

Does he actually need to look it up each time? Noish.Ie. does he forget what it is each time? No. Or is the looking up an integral part of his preparation? Yes.

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Does he press rather hard with the pencil? So that it makes marks underneath? On the cover sheet? On the answer sheet? Does he use the pencil to rub, in the style of brass-rubbing? No to all.

Is there anything special about the paper he discards? No. Is it, perhaps, a piece of carbon paper? Blotting paper? Is the sharpness of the pencil relevant? No. Would it work as well with a 2H pencil as with a 4B pencil? Possibly not, actually. But don't let that throw you.

You say he "looks up" Constantinople every time, yes? I do. Is this because he needs to remember how to spell it? No. He doesn't have some sort of word-related disability, does he? No, that was my last puzzle. =)Does he look it up online? This. In a dictionary? In a reference book? An atlas? While looking it up, does he see something else that's relevant to the exam? No.

Is it actually an open-book exam in which it is legal to consult texts for, say, spellings, but not for other reasons? Irr. Thus, he might be pretending to look for Constantinople but actually be looking at something else. Does the invigilator see him looking up the word? Is the invigilator relevant at all? No to rest.

Are there any relevant exam regulations relating to pencils (as distinct from pens)? YES.

Does he use an eraser in any way during the exam? Irr.
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Is there something relevant about the word Constantinople that makes it work for this purpose where other words would not? If so:
The fact it is fairly long?
The fact it may be difficult to spell?
The fact it is a place?
The fact that a lot of people might not know the capital of the Ottoman empire?
The fact that it is no longer in use?

Does he write down anything other than Constantinople?

When he look it up online: does he use a search engine? Does he type in "capital of the Ottoman empire"? Does he use a particular relevant website?

For this plan to work, does somebody need to know he has done this? Or could he do it entirely in secret with the same effect?

The relevant rules: do they state that you must use pencils to write? That you must use ink? That pencils used must have a certain quality? Be of a certain hardness (not sure if that is the technical term...I mean like HB, 2B etc)
Is it one of those multiple-choice tests where you fill in the circles and a machine scans your answers?
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Is there something relevant about the word Constantinople that makes it work for this purpose where other words would not? No. If so:
The fact it is fairly long?
The fact it may be difficult to spell?
The fact it is a place?
The fact that a lot of people might not know the capital of the Ottoman empire?
The fact that it is no longer in use?

Does he write down anything other than Constantinople? No.

When he look it up online: does he use a search engine? Yes. Does he type in "capital of the Ottoman empire"? Yes, irr. Does he use a particular relevant website? Irr.

For this plan to work, does somebody need to know he has done this? Yesish to yope. Or could he do it entirely in secret with the same effect? Noish.

The relevant rules: do they state that you must use pencils to write? YES. That you must use ink? That pencils used must have a certain quality? Be of a certain hardness (not sure if that is the technical term...I mean like HB, 2B etc) No to rest.
Is it one of those multiple-choice tests where you fill in the circles and a machine scans your answers? Yes, he would do it for these tests.
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You said noish to is he cheating ... is this because he is helping someone else to cheat?

Does anyone else gain anything from this?

Does the paper serve as a signal of some sort?
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Does he only do this when he has NOT studied for the test?
Would any city that starts with the letter "C" work?
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Ah-ha...new thought:
Does it matter where the computer he is using is located?
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You said noish to is he cheating ... is this because he is helping someone else to cheat? No.

Does anyone else gain anything from this? No.

Does the paper serve as a signal of some sort? No.

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Does he only do this when he has NOT studied for the test? No.
Would any city that starts with the letter "C" work? Yes.

Kaygee (Kaygee)

Ah-ha...new thought:
Does it matter where the computer he is using is located? YES.
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Is a laptop? A handheld PC or similar device? Is it on his person in the exam room?
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No to all.
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Does this have anything to do with bubble sheets (multiple choice, fill in the bubble answer sheets)? I.e. Is there a mandate that everybody use fresh/state provided pencils? And everybody knows that a fresh pencil will only slow down filling in the bubbles, but one that's been broken in will work better?

Does he take his tests via the computer? Written exams? Oral exam?

Would any city name work? Would any long word work for what he's doing?

Does this puzzle have anything to do with simply looking at an LCD screen? And how it triggers the brain to higher activity levels?
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Does this have anything to do with bubble sheets (multiple choice, fill in the bubble answer sheets)? Yesish. I.e. Is there a mandate that everybody use fresh/state provided pencils? No. And everybody knows that a fresh pencil will only slow down filling in the bubbles, but one that's been broken in will work better? True, but irrelevant.

Does he take his tests via the computer? Written exams? This. Oral exam?

Would any city name work? Yes. Would any long word work for what he's doing? Yes.

Does this puzzle have anything to do with simply looking at an LCD screen? And how it triggers the brain to higher activity levels? No. Does it? I always feel dumber looking at computer screens! XP
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Emailed.
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There was a study conducted that recommended NOT doing anything involving a computer if you're close to going to bed; the screen & images trigger increased activity in the brain and make it hard for anybody to fall asleep. It's sortof like giving a 3-year-old ice cream and dance classes right before bedtime - it just gets them more wired-up!

Is it simply the fact that the pencil has been broken in that we need to focus on? Is it important that the carbon is easier to smear?
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Is it important to know why he immediately throws the paper away?
Does he have to be online (internet) or he can just open a word processor offline and type "Constantinople"?
Are the fonts shown on the computer screen relevant?
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Liquizt (Liquizt)

Emailed. Replied. =)

Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)

There was a study conducted that recommended NOT doing anything involving a computer if you're close to going to bed; the screen & images trigger increased activity in the brain and make it hard for anybody to fall asleep. It's sortof like giving a 3-year-old ice cream and dance classes right before bedtime - it just gets them more wired-up! That sounds about right.

Is it simply the fact that the pencil has been broken in that we need to focus on? No. Is it important that the carbon is easier to smear? No.

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Is it important to know why he immediately throws the paper away? No.
Does he have to be online (internet) No...or he can just open a word processor offline and type "Constantinople"? But no.
Are the fonts shown on the computer screen relevant? No.
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Could he write down 'constantinople' without looking it up, for the same effect?
Does he write it down whilst at the computer? after leaving the computer? relevant?
Does he do anything else with the computer, of relevance?

Which is more important: that he writes it down on a piece of paper? that he writes it with a pencil? that he writes it with the pencil he will be using in the exam?

Is he monitored whilst using the computer? whilst writing down 'constantinople'? whilst throwing the paper away?
Is it correct to assume he will be monitored during the exam? is this of any relevance to this puzzle?

Does he write it down the exact same way every time? (or) is it relevant that he does/may write it down differently each time?

Would he benefit from performing the act if he only did it once for one exam? or is it relevant that he does this for (almost if not) every exam?

The exam must be one in which he'll be expected to mark bubbles for the act to be beneficial to him?
The exam could be a long written paper that must be answered in pencil and the act would still be beneficial?
The exam could be a long written paper in pen but require one or more drawings/diagrams/graphs in pencil and the act would still be beneficial?
The exam could be a long written paper in pen that may or may not require any use of the pencil and the act would still be beneficial?

Would it be possible for another student in the same school to do the same thing as him for the same exam? and for them both to benefit from it as much as he does when he's the only one performing the act?
Would it be possible for another student in a different but similarly run school to do the same thing as him for the same exam? and for them both to benefit from it as much as he does when he's the only one performing the act?
Would it be possible for all the other students in his school to do the same thing as him for the same exam? and for them all to benefit from it as much as he does when he's the only one performing the act?
Would it be possible for all the other students in every school to do the same thing as him for the same exam? and for them all to benefit from it as much as he does when he's the only one performing the act?

Does the act (in any way and in any constituent part of its entirety) give him an advantage over the other students who do not do what he does?
A mental advantage (i.e. focus/preparation, reminds him of things he needs to know for that exam)?
A physical advantage (i.e. preparation of the pencil, of his 'writing muscles', of the paper)?
A time advantage (i.e. allows him to do more in the allocated time or gives him/ allows him to acquire more time than he should have)?
Does he acquire this advantage without disrupting his fellow students in any way? (or) does he acquire this 'advantage' by actively (or passivly), directly (or in directly), disadvantaging his fellow students in any way?

Does he begin the exam at the same time as everyone else?
Does he finish at the same time as everyone else?
Does he use all the same tools in the exam as everyone else?
Does he work out the answers to the questions in the exam the same as everyone else (apposed to knowing the correct answers to that particular exam beforehand)?

He (or could he) looks up and writes down 'constantinople' immediately before going into the exam? the same day as the exam? the night before the exam? the day before the exam? a week before the exam?

Does he do anything before the looking up and writing down of 'constantinople' of relevance?
Does he do anything during the exam of relevance?
Does he do anything after the exam of relevance?
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I don't think this has been asked but: would ANY other word work instead?
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Hmm this is probably way off, but a possible scenario is that Jason is in fact a brilliant student, but faces a lot of peer pressure due to this (being called a nerd, etc.). So in order to appear 'cool' he goes through this routine just to pose as a cheater; he wants his classmates to think that he has found a way to get the leaked answers, and he writes a longish word to imitate writing down the sequence of answers. So when he aces the exams, he's a good cheater and not a nerd/geek.

This isn't very consistent with many of your answers, but what the heck :-)
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Wow.

Could he write down 'constantinople' without looking it up, for the same effect? Probably, but not definitely.
Does he write it down whilst at the computer? Yes. after leaving the computer? relevant? Yes.
Does he do anything else with the computer, of relevance? No.

Which is more important: that he writes it down on a piece of paper? that he writes it with a pencil? This. that he writes it with the pencil he will be using in the exam? And this.

Is he monitored whilst using the computer? Yesish. whilst writing down 'constantinople'? Same yesish. whilst throwing the paper away? Irr.
Is it correct to assume he will be monitored during the exam? Probably. is this of any relevance to this puzzle? No.

Does he write it down the exact same way every time? (or) is it relevant that he does/may write it down differently each time? Irrelevant.

Would he benefit from performing the act if he only did it once for one exam? Yes. or is it relevant that he does this for (almost if not) every exam? Not really.

The exam must be one in which he'll be expected to mark bubbles for the act to be beneficial to him? Yes, or...see below.
The exam could be a long written paper that must be answered in pencil and the act would still be beneficial? Yes.
The exam could be a long written paper in pen but require one or more drawings/diagrams/graphs in pencil and the act would still be beneficial? Yes.
The exam could be a long written paper in pen that may or may not require any use of the pencil and the act would still be beneficial? No.

Would it be possible for another student in the same school to do the same thing as him for the same exam? Yes.and for them both to benefit from it as much as he does when he's the only one performing the act? Yes.
Would it be possible for another student in a different but similarly run school to do the same thing as him for the same exam? Yes. and for them both to benefit from it as much as he does when he's the only one performing the act? Yes.
Would it be possible for all the other students in his school to do the same thing as him for the same exam? Probably not in practice, but in theory, yes.and for them all to benefit from it as much as he does when he's the only one performing the act? If they could all do it, they'd all benefit.
Would it be possible for all the other students in every school to do the same thing as him for the same exam? Again, theoretically, but not practical. and for them all to benefit from it as much as he does when he's the only one performing the act? If they could, they would benefit.

Does the act (in any way and in any constituent part of its entirety) give him an advantage over the other students who do not do what he does? Not really.
A mental advantage (i.e. focus/preparation, reminds him of things he needs to know for that exam)? No.
A physical advantage (i.e. preparation of the pencil, of his 'writing muscles', of the paper)? Noish.
A time advantage (i.e. allows him to do more in the allocated time or gives him/ allows him to acquire more time than he should have)? No.
Does he acquire this advantage without disrupting his fellow students in any way? Yes.(or) does he acquire this 'advantage' by actively (or passivly), directly (or in directly), disadvantaging his fellow students in any way? No.

Does he begin the exam at the same time as everyone else? Yes.
Does he finish at the same time as everyone else? Yes.
Does he use all the same tools in the exam as everyone else? Yes.
Does he work out the answers to the questions in the exam the same as everyone else (apposed to knowing the correct answers to that particular exam beforehand)? Yes.

He (or could he) looks up and writes down 'constantinople' immediately before going into the exam? Yes. the same day as the exam? Could be this. the night before the exam? the day before the exam? a week before the exam? no to rest.

Does he do anything before the looking up and writing down of 'constantinople' of relevance? Yesish.
Does he do anything during the exam of relevance? no.
Does he do anything after the exam of relevance? No.

Vene (Vene)

I don't think this has been asked but: would ANY other word work instead? Yes! I was waiting for that one.

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Hmm this is probably way off, but a possible scenario is that Jason is in fact a brilliant student, but faces a lot of peer pressure due to this (being called a nerd, etc.). So in order to appear 'cool' he goes through this routine just to pose as a cheater; he wants his classmates to think that he has found a way to get the leaked answers, and he writes a longish word to imitate writing down the sequence of answers. So when he aces the exams, he's a good cheater and not a nerd/geek. Haha, good story, not the case. But stay with the thought that he's posing, in a way.

This isn't very consistent with many of your answers, but what the heck :-) Indeed.
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Would it work if he did everything the same, except that the thing he looks up is unrelated to what he writes down? For instance, if he were to look up the species name of a dog and then write down "Constantinople", would that work?
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Would it work if he did everything the same, except that the thing he looks up is unrelated to what he writes down? For instance, if he were to look up the species name of a dog and then write down "Constantinople", would that work? Absolutely.
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So, is it true that Jason is trying to get someone (X) to think that he's doing something (Y)?

If so, is he actually doing Y?

Also, is X:

...the teacher or proctor?
...other school staff?
...other students?

Is Y:

...cheating? not cheating? helping someone else to cheat?
...studying? not studying?
...tampering with the computer? hacking? (okay it is far fetched but worth a guess)
...attempting to interfere with the testing process in any way?

Is his overall goal...

...to get a better grade on the test?
...to curry favor with other students? with teachers? to garner sympathy?
...to prove a point? about how easy it is to cheat? something else about the testing process?
...to intentionally do worse on the test?
...to get someone else to do something for him? by tricking them in some way?
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So, is it true that Jason is trying to get someone (X) to think that he's doing something (Y)? Yes.

If so, is he actually doing Y? Yesish.

Also, is X:

...the teacher or proctor?
...other school staff? This.
...other students?

Is Y:

...cheating? not cheating? helping someone else to cheat?
...studying? Thisish. not studying?
...tampering with the computer? hacking? (okay it is far fetched but worth a guess)
...attempting to interfere with the testing process in any way?

Is his overall goal...

...to get a better grade on the test? Thisish, but not exactly.
...to curry favor with other students? with teachers? to garner sympathy?
...to prove a point? about how easy it is to cheat? something else about the testing process?
...to intentionally do worse on the test?
...to get someone else to do something for him? by tricking them in some way?
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Is Jason a particularly gifted student? Does he not need to study for tests? But people accuse him of cheating if he isn't observed studying at some point? Is he posing as a person who has to work for his grades?

Is the pencil he uses the key to this puzzle? Does he do anything else that's relevant with the pencil, other than writing down a word?
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Is Jason a particularly gifted student? Not relevant. Does he not need to study for tests? But people accuse him of cheating if he isn't observed studying at some point? Is he posing as a person who has to work for his grades? No to all.

Is the pencil he uses the key to this puzzle? Yes. Does he do anything else that's relevant with the pencil, other than writing down a word? YES.
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The something else he does with the pencil...
Change the shape of the pencil? I.e. does he chew on it? break in the eraser? annotate something on the pencil itself? wear down the carbon more?
Stash the pencil somewhere? Someplace nearby for him to use in a pinch? Someplace nearby for somebody else to use?
Does he sharpen the pencil? Having worn down the pencil already, does he have to get up out of his seat to sharpen it? Does that provide him with a break that he otherwise wouldn't get during the test?
Does he place this pencil someplace relevant?
Does he eat his pencil?

Ok, getting silly now.
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Would it work if he just did the other thing with the pencil, rather than writing down the word?

Is the looking up the word and writing it down just a distraction to prevent the teacher from noticing what he's actually doing with the pencil?
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Would it work if he was borrowing someone else's pencil?
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The something else he does with the pencil...
Change the shape of the pencil? I.e. does he chew on it? break in the eraser? annotate something on the pencil itself? wear down the carbon more? none of these.
Stash the pencil somewhere? Someplace nearby for him to use in a pinch? Someplace nearby for somebody else to use? No.
Does he sharpen the pencil? Having worn down the pencil already, does he have to get up out of his seat to sharpen it? Does that provide him with a break that he otherwise wouldn't get during the test? No.
Does he place this pencil someplace relevant? No.
Does he eat his pencil? YES!...No, not really. XP

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Would it work if he just did the other thing with the pencil, rather than writing down the word? Noish.

Is the looking up the word and writing it down just a distraction to prevent the teacher from noticing what he's actually doing with the pencil? YES.

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Would it work if he was borrowing someone else's pencil? FAish, explore.
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Is the FA that there is someone else he could borrow from?
Or that it was his pencil in the first place?
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Did he tap the pencil on the desk?
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Is it someone else's pencil? Does the pencil have any dire and dastardly inscriptions along the side?
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Is the FA that there is someone else he could borrow from? No.
Or that it was his pencil in the first place? YES.

Martinfg (Martinfg)

Did he tap the pencil on the desk? No.

Woodworm (Woodworm)

Is it someone else's pencil? Yes. Does the pencil have any dire and dastardly inscriptions along the side? No, but nice use of dastardly.
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Did somebody hand him the pencil? With a paper discreately wrapped around it? A paper with the answers to the test? Or a summary of questions/answers? Does he then unravel the paper, read what's on it? Then, to cover what he's actually doing, he looks something up, writes on the piece of paper... either the flipside or over the other writing... and throws the evidence away?

If the paper is irrelevant, something special about the wood? The eraser? Is the pencil even a regular wood pencil? Mechanica pencil? Is there a message stuffed inside the mechanical pencil?
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Did somebody hand him the pencil? No.With a paper discreately wrapped around it? A paper with the answers to the test? Or a summary of questions/answers? Does he then unravel the paper, read what's on it? Then, to cover what he's actually doing, he looks something up, writes on the piece of paper... either the flipside or over the other writing... and throws the evidence away? No to all...good idea, though...

If the paper is irrelevant, something special about the wood? The eraser? Is the pencil even a regular wood pencil? Mechanica pencil? Is there a message stuffed inside the mechanical pencil? Regular wooden pencil, nothing weird. =)
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Is it another pupil's pencil? Does the owner of the pencil know he has it? Did he steal it? Take it with permission? Does he intend to give it back to them? Will he use it in the test?
Does his doing this have any effect on the performance in the exam of the owner of the pencil?
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Is it another pupil's pencil? No. Does the owner of the pencil know he has it? Noish. Did he steal it? Yesish. Take it with permission? Hm...yope. Does he intend to give it back to them? Irr. Will he use it in the test? Yes.
Does his doing this have any effect on the performance in the exam of the owner of the pencil? No, FAish.
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Funny, as one of those students who rarely/never have their own writing gear, I find it quite difficult to ponder ownership of a pencil. They're more like shared, public items to me :D
Does the pencil belong to another person or, say, to a store or similar?
Does the pencil owner have anything to do with the school?

If he would write Constantinople with another pencil, could he still use either pencil during the test? To the same result?
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Owner of the pencil:
Staff from the school? Teacher?
Would he get the same results if he did this with his own pencil?
If there's no computer available (blackout/Windows crash etc), he won't write the long word with his pencil, right?
You once said that the location of the computer is relevant. Is it:
at the school's library?
at the classroom where he'll take the exam?
at his house?
Had he had any learning-related problem previously (bad grades, for example)?
Had he learned to do this by himself? Someone's advice? Some course he had taken?
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Is this puzzle based on a real situation? We're not dealing with a fictional problem... i.e. a kid with superpowers and can percieve thoughts/imprinted memories in an object? And thus learning the answers to all the test problems via the teacher's imprinted memories in the pencil?

Can you tell I'm a big sci fi buff?
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I think Vene has the answer: Jason goes thru this elaborate charade just to get a pencil so that he can take the computer-graded test?
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Between Vene, Danielvs, and Kaygee, you've got enough for a

*************SPOILER
Many tests, especially those multiple choice bubble fill-in nightmares, require the student to use a No. 2 pencil. Jason never seems to have one on him when it comes time for the test. There are plenty in the school library, but you're only supposed to take them to write down information, then bring them back to the librarian's desk. And the librarian watches.

So Jason takes one of the pencils, goes to a computer and writes something at random until the librarian is satisfied he is using the pencil properly, then walks out with it and goes on to take his test.
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Haha nice one, this was killing me!

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