| Author | Message | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 108 Registered: 11-2008 |
It's not what you get out of it that matters -- it's what you put into it. | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2008 |
Life? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 109 Registered: 11-2008 |
Life? No. And welcome to the LTPF! | ||
| Rcs (Rcs)
New member Username: Rcs Post Number: 283 Registered: 9-2008 |
Some sort of a machine? A computer? A tangible object? A process? | ||
| Vagary (Vagary)
New member Username: Vagary Post Number: 193 Registered: 11-2008 |
A journal? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 110 Registered: 11-2008 |
Some sort of a machine? Yes. A computer? Yesish. A tangible object? Yes. A process? No. A journal? No. | ||
| Andy (Andy)
New member Username: Andy Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2008 |
A paper shredder? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 112 Registered: 11-2008 |
A paper shredder? No. | ||
| Rubberduck (Rubberduck)
New member Username: Rubberduck Post Number: 138 Registered: 3-2006 |
Some type of machine which predates the computer? A calculator? Would it help to know what you put into it? Is it something material? Something intangible? Data? Numbers? Words? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 118 Registered: 11-2008 |
Some type of machine which predates the computer? No. A calculator? No. Would it help to know what you put into it? Yes. Is it something material? Yes. Something intangible? Data? Numbers? Words? No to rest. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 297 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the scrund regarding: "what you get out of it"? "what you put into it"? the origin of the name of something (i.e. people think it's named for what comes out of it, when in fact it's named for what goes into it)? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 127 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is the scrund regarding: "what you get out of it"? Yesish. "what you put into it"? Noish. the origin of the name of something (i.e. people think it's named for what comes out of it, when in fact it's named for what goes into it)? No. | ||
| Racoonieboy (Racoonieboy)
New member Username: Racoonieboy Post Number: 83 Registered: 10-2008 |
A typewriter? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2008 |
A typewriter? No. | ||
| Rubberduck (Rubberduck)
New member Username: Rubberduck Post Number: 142 Registered: 3-2006 |
As far as what is put into it, is it paper? Metal? Living matter? Cloth? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 136 Registered: 11-2008 |
As far as what is put into it, is it paper? Metal? Living matter? Cloth? None of these. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 299 Registered: 6-2008 |
Continuing the previous set of questions, is it conceptual (e.g. words)? a form of energy (e.g. heat)? or a physical thing? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 138 Registered: 11-2008 |
Continuing the previous set of questions, is it conceptual (e.g. words)? a form of energy (e.g. heat)? or a physical thing? This one. | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 294 Registered: 10-2008 |
should we determine what type of computer? Like a commodore 64? what the computer is used for? who uses the computer? when it was in production? was it made in [LTPF list of decades in 20th/21st century]? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 140 Registered: 11-2008 |
should we determine what type of computer? Yes. Like a commodore 64? But not this. what the computer is used for? who uses the computer? when it was in production? A rare "yes to all these!" was it made in [LTPF list of decades in 20th/21st century]? 1980s and 1990s. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 308 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was this (yesish) computer mass-produced (like the Commodore example)? or was it the only one of its kind? Was it intended for use by the general population? for businesses? for academic researchers? for the government? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 142 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was this (yesish) computer mass-produced (like the Commodore example)? This one. or was it the only one of its kind? Was it intended for use by the general population? This one. for businesses? for academic researchers? for the government? | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 300 Registered: 10-2008 |
Was it an Atari?? I LOVED my Atari! Was it an actual computer in our traditional thinking of a computer (mobo, processor, monitor, keyboard, etc.) or is it a computer in the strictest sense of the word (in that it computes information)? | ||
| Rubberduck (Rubberduck)
New member Username: Rubberduck Post Number: 145 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was the computer made by Radio Shack? Like the original TRS 80? Or an original Apple computer? Something unusual? Like the Osborne? Or some computer that was popular? Is the company that made it still in existence? Was the computer desktop sized? Or handheld? Was the computer some type of game? Of something to compute information? Referring to what you put in - is it a floppy disk? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 143 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was it an Atari?? I LOVED my Atari! No. Was it an actual computer in our traditional thinking of a computer (mobo, processor, monitor, keyboard, etc.) Noish or is it a computer in the strictest sense of the word (in that it computes information)? Yes. Was the computer made by Radio Shack? Like the original TRS 80? Or an original Apple computer? Something unusual? Like the Osborne? No to all these. Or some computer that was popular? Yes. Is the company that made it still in existence? Yes. Was the computer desktop sized? Or handheld? Was the computer some type of game? Yes. Of something to compute information? Technically yes, but this isn't all that helpful. Referring to what you put in - is it a floppy disk?No. | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 308 Registered: 10-2008 |
was it an arcade game? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 572 Registered: 5-2003 |
A console? Handheld Gameboy-type? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 145 Registered: 11-2008 |
was it an arcade game? No. A console? Yes. Handheld Gameboy-type? No. | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 312 Registered: 10-2008 |
did you think that Nintendo was the first console system? We are supposed to identify a scrund right? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 148 Registered: 11-2008 |
did you think that Nintendo was the first console system? No. We are supposed to identify a scrund right? Yes. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1586 Registered: 12-2004 |
Sweet. Time for me to make a new LTPF list. While you wait, is this game console... First Generation? Second Gen? Third Gen? Fourth Gen? Fifth Gen? Sixth Gen? Seventh Gen? Other? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1587 Registered: 12-2004 |
{LTPF List = Popular video game consoles NES SNES Sega Mega Drive/ Sega Genesis Sega Saturn PlayStation Nintendo 64 Sega Dreamcast PlayStation 2 GameCube Xbox PlayStation 3 Xbox 360 Nintendo Wii } | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1588 Registered: 12-2004 |
Oh, and the Atari 2600 and Sega Master System should be on that list, too. I apologize for my crass mistake. | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 149 Registered: 11-2008 |
Sweet. Time for me to make a new LTPF list. While you wait, is this game console... First Generation? Second Gen? Third Gen? Fourth Gen? Fifth Gen? Sixth Gen? Seventh Gen? Other? Not sure which is which, but... {LTPF List = Popular video game consoles NES This one. SNES Sega Mega Drive/ Sega Genesis Sega Saturn PlayStation Nintendo 64 Sega Dreamcast PlayStation 2 GameCube Xbox PlayStation 3 Xbox 360 Nintendo Wii } | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 314 Registered: 10-2008 |
I motion to add Atari to that list. And space invaders as it's own category...but I'm content with just Atari for now I guess. Does this scrund deal with a particular game? If so {LTPF List of NES Games}? With the controllers? With operating the system? With marketing? With when it came out? With its development? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1597 Registered: 12-2004 |
If you refer to the 2600, I already mentioned that it should be added. If not, please clarify. Is spilling apple juice relevant? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 152 Registered: 11-2008 |
Does this scrund deal with a particular game? No. If so {LTPF List of NES Games}? With the controllers? With operating the system? This is closest. With marketing? With when it came out? With its development? Is spilling apple juice relevant? No. | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 321 Registered: 10-2008 |
Does this have to do with how you're not supposed to blow into the cartridges? With the light gun? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 155 Registered: 11-2008 |
Does this have to do with how you're not supposed to blow into the cartridges? Not quite, but very much OTRT. With the light gun? No, although I like where you're going with that one. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1609 Registered: 12-2004 |
Is this a personal scrund of yours? Of mine? Did you used to believe something that is not correct? Did I? Did you think that you had to use sterile paper towels from a hospital in Beirut to get the NES to not be so sad? Or display blue? | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 323 Registered: 10-2008 |
Did you think that if you rapidly pressed the case up and down (or engaging and disengaging it, so to speak) that it would clear up the blue screen or half screen issue? | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 324 Registered: 10-2008 |
cartridge is a better word than case...i'm talking about the game. | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 157 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is this a personal scrund of yours? At one time. Of mine? I don't know. Did you used to believe something that is not correct? Yes. Did I? Possibly. Did you think that you had to use sterile paper towels from a hospital in Beirut to get the NES to not be so sad? Or display blue? But not something as silly as this. Did you think that if you rapidly pressed the case up and down (or engaging and disengaging it, so to speak) that it would clear up the blue screen or half screen issue? No. | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 333 Registered: 10-2008 |
Is this about wiping the cartridges with a Q-tip? Does this deal with the cartridges? With the actual hardware? Making it work right? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 177 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is this about wiping the cartridges with a Q-tip? No. Does this deal with the cartridges? Yes. With the actual hardware? Yes. Making it work right? Yes. | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2008 |
source code? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 184 Registered: 11-2008 |
source code? The source code is not relevant. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 313 Registered: 6-2008 |
As for "what you get out of it", does this refer to removing something physical (e.g. dust)? something abstract (e.g. the data stored on the cartridge)? same for "what you put into it"? Is "it" the cartridge? the console? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 185 Registered: 11-2008 |
As for "what you get out of it", does this refer to removing something physical (e.g. dust)? This one exactly! something abstract (e.g. the data stored on the cartridge)? No. same for "what you put into it"? Also something physical. Is "it" the cartridge? This one. the console? | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1661 Registered: 12-2004 |
Did you think that you had to put air in the cartridge or something like that? But you found out you are actually removing the dust? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 196 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did you think that you had to put air in the cartridge or something like that? But you found out you are actually removing the dust? FA, I think. You seem to have reversed the puzzle statement. Not this in any case. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1665 Registered: 12-2004 |
Is the scrund something as concrete as that? We have determined that you are putting something into the cartridge... Does the puzzle statement reflect the scrund? Or does the puzzle statement reflect reality? Did you think that what you got out of the cartridge mattered? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 197 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is the scrund something as concrete as that? I'd say so. We have determined that you are putting something into the cartridge... Does the puzzle statement reflect the scrund? Or does the puzzle statement reflect reality? This one. Did you think that what you got out of the cartridge mattered? I did. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1674 Registered: 12-2004 |
Is it relevant? Or perhaps the entire puzzle? what tangible object you thought mattered that you got out of the cartridge? and? or? but? if? what tangible object that actually matters that you put in the cartridge? Are any of these objects bigger a breadbox? Derived from organisms? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 200 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is it relevant? Yes. Or perhaps the entire puzzle? Not quite... what tangible object you thought mattered that you got out of the cartridge? Yes. and? This one. or? but? if? what tangible object that actually matters that you put in the cartridge? Yes. Are any of these objects bigger a breadbox? No. Derived from organisms? Yes. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1676 Registered: 12-2004 |
Are dust and/or dead cells relevant to this puzzle at all? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 203 Registered: 11-2008 |
Are dust and/or dead cells relevant to this puzzle at all? Yes. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1678 Registered: 12-2004 |
Did you think that getting dust out of the cartridge mattered? Does putting dust into the cartridge matter? | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 204 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did you think that getting dust out of the cartridge mattered? Yes... Does putting dust into the cartridge matter? ...but no. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1681 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hmmm... Is the discouraged practice of blowing onto the carts relevant? Perhaps you thought that by blowing, you would be able to remove the dust from the cart and allow it to "work", only to later realize that the NES wouldn't work because of flaws in the hardware design and that by blowing on the cart you were simply exacerbating the problem by increasing the amount of moisture, thereby accelerating the rate at which the NES's slot connector, which was already highly prone to the process, corroded? (Wow, that was actually kinda long...) | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 205 Registered: 11-2008 |
Hmmm... Is the discouraged practice of blowing onto the carts relevant? Perhaps you thought that by blowing, you would be able to remove the dust from the cart and allow it to "work", only to later realize that the NES wouldn't work because of flaws in the hardware design and that by blowing on the cart you were simply exacerbating the problem by increasing the amount of moisture, thereby accelerating the rate at which the NES's slot connector, which was already highly prone to the process, corroded? (Wow, that was actually kinda long...) This is most of it...close enough for a... *****SPOILER***** Many (most?) people who grew up playing the NES will remember blowing on cartridges to "get the dust out" and get them to work instead of displaying a blue screen or something. What was actually going on here was that the pins in the 72-pin connector which established a connection between the game and the system tended to get bent back over time, so that the connection wouldn't happen or would happen sporadically. What blowing actually did was put moisture, from the breath, on the connectors, making a connection more likely, if still prone to failing at the most critical moment of a game. So it's not the dust (what you get out of the cartridge by blowing on it) that matters -- it's the moisture (what you put into the cartridge by blowing on it.) Indeed, blowing would cause the connectors to corrode over time. This puzzle was inspired by "Eazy One #2," which was about the practice of blowing on the cartridges. The explanation for it displayed this misconception, and I was about to correct it, but then decided to make a puzzle out of it instead. Thanks to everyone for your questions, and in particular to Doctapeppa for finishing it off. The best way by far to get a troublesome NES to work, though, is to repair or replace the 72-pin connector -- googling for "72-pin connector" gives all the information you need. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1685 Registered: 12-2004 |
Interesting. I also heard something about somebody or other releasing some rights of the ROMs for NES games to allow people who own a NES cart of a game to transfer the game onto a computer and use an emulator. I'm not sure where I read that though... | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 360 Registered: 10-2008 |
I can play any NES game on my iPhone =O 72-pin THAT Nintendo! | ||
| D_gordon (D_gordon)
New member Username: D_gordon Post Number: 214 Registered: 11-2008 |
But is it really the same as playing with the old black rectangular controllers? (Full disclosure; I sent my NES to be refurbished at some point and they replaced those with more rounded ones. I have another NES, so I should have a pair of the black ones...somewhere.) |
