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| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 206 Registered: 2-2008 |
Angela died because Dave was cheap. If he had only explained this to her, she wouldn't have died. But if he had, his life would have been in danger. | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
New member Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 573 Registered: 9-2007 |
All he's and his's = Dave? All she's and her's = Angela? Dave was cheap = Miserly? Thrifty? Was she murdered? died in an accident of some sort? committed suicide? Angela - H? A? F? Dave - H? A? M? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 352 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Dave in the Witness Protection Program? Would his life be in danger from: An accident? Criminal activity? A government? Natural causes (illness, etc)? Did Angela need money or a particular item? Did she die trying to obtain it? Are Angela and Dave acquainted? Related? Married? Are locations, time periods or professions relevant? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 207 Registered: 2-2008 |
Noobdogg (Noobdogg) All he's and his's = Dave? Yes. All she's and her's = Angela? Yes. Dave was cheap = Miserly? Thrifty? Both: unwilling to spend money. Was she murdered? \b[This.} died in an accident of some sort? committed suicide? Angela - H? A? F? Dave - H? A? M? Yes to all. Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) Was Dave in the Witness Protection Program? No. Would his life be in danger from: An accident? Criminal activity? This. A government? Natural causes (illness, etc)? Did Angela need money or a particular item? No. Did she die trying to obtain it? Are Angela and Dave acquainted? Yes. Related? Married? No to rest. Are locations, time periods or professions relevant? No. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1491 Registered: 3-2006 |
Are A & D friends? Colleagues? Do they dislike each other? Was Dave the murderer? Was he acquainted with the murderer? Did he refuse to pay for insurance? For an item? For a fare or similar? An administrative fee? Did he refuse to pay hush money? A bribe? A ransom? Was she kidnapped? Did he buy her something? Of a cheaper kind than might have saved her? A low-grade bulletproof vest? Did he give her a lift instead of paying for a taxi? PS Just noticed that the title is a Pink Floyd song (and that all your puzzles to date are song titles): nice touch, but I assume this isn't going to help me solve the puzzle? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 227 Registered: 2-2008 |
Woodworm (Woodworm) Are A & D friends? Yes. Colleagues? Irr, probably not. Do they dislike each other? Was Dave the murderer? Was he acquainted with the murderer? No to rest. Did he refuse to pay for insurance? No. For an item? Yesish. For a fare or similar? You might call it that...ish... An administrative fee? Did he refuse to pay hush money? A bribe? A ransom? Was she kidnapped? No to rest. Did he buy her something? No. Of a cheaper kind than might have saved her? A low-grade bulletproof vest? Did he give her a lift instead of paying for a taxi? No. PS Just noticed that the title is a Pink Floyd song (and that all your puzzles to date are song titles)Indeed they are! =): nice touch, but I assume this isn't going to help me solve the puzzle? No, unfortunately, just the first cheapness related song I could think of. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 10 Registered: 9-2008 |
Dave's life would have been in danger simply because he admitted to being cheap? Or because his cheapness caused him to avoid the danger that cost Angela her life? If Dave had explained to Angela that he was cheap, would she have made different decisions or done something differently? Did Dave have any advance knowledge about the criminal activity? Was Dave with Angela when she was murdered? If no, were they together just prior to her murder? How many persons were responsible for Angela's murder: One? Two? Several? Many? Were these person(s) present at the time of her murder? Is there relevance in exploring the method of murder? Just exploring your previous answers: The location of Angela's murder is not relevant? It could have happened anywhere? The time of day/month/year of the murder are not relevant? And the professions of Angela and Dave are not relevant? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 239 Registered: 2-2008 |
Kaygee (Kaygee) I just noticed you were new, Kaygee, welcome to the forum! Dave's life would have been in danger simply because he admitted to being cheap? In different words, but yes. Or because his cheapness caused him to avoid the danger that cost Angela her life? Yope. If Dave had explained to Angela that he was cheap, would she have made different decisions or done something differently? No. Did Dave have any advance knowledge about the criminal activity? No. Was Dave with Angela when she was murdered? No. If no, were they together just prior to her murder? No, good, q's. How many persons were responsible for Angela's murder: One? This. Two? Several? Many? Were these person(s) present at the time of her murder? Yes. Is there relevance in exploring the method of murder? No. Just exploring your previous answers: The location of Angela's murder is not relevant? It is, but geographical location irrelevant. It could have happened anywhere? Clarify? The time of day/month/year of the murder are not relevant? Right. And the professions of Angela and Dave are not relevant? Right. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 378 Registered: 5-2003 |
So, not geographical location, but a specific generic location? Such as: Rural? Urban? Indoors? Outdoors? At home? Work? Travelling? On vacation? Was the murderer known to Dave? To Angela? Were Dave and Angela in a romantic relationship with each other? Was the murderer in a romantic relationship with either Dave or Angela? Did he refuse to pay for something that would have kept Angela safe? Could he have paid for whatever it was without telling Angela why he did so? If so, would she have survived? Did the murderer mistakenly target Angela? Was Dave his initial target? Was Angela's murder intended to affect Dave (ie, "This will happen to you if you don't _____.") Had Dave and Angela met in the flesh at all? How long had they known each other (more than: one day, week, month, year, decade)? Relevant? How far apart were they at the time of Angela's murder (more than: next room, next house, next street, next neighborhood, next town, next state, next country, next planet)? Relevant? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 242 Registered: 2-2008 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) So, not geographical location, but a specific generic location? Indeed. Such as: Rural? Urban? Indoors? Outdoors? At home? This one. Work? Travelling? On vacation? Was the murderer known to Dave? To Angela? No. Were Dave and Angela in a romantic relationship with each other? No. Was the murderer in a romantic relationship with either Dave or Angela? No. Did he refuse to pay for something that would have kept Angela safe? In a very roundabout way...Could he have paid for whatever it was without telling Angela why he did so? Yes. If so, would she have survived? Yes. Did the murderer mistakenly target Angela? Yes. Was Dave his initial target? Yope. Was Angela's murder intended to affect Dave (ie, "This will happen to you if you don't _____.") No. Had Dave and Angela met in the flesh at all? Irr, actually. How long had they known each other (more than: one day, week, month, year, decade)? Relevant? Irr, but for some time. How far apart were they at the time of Angela's murder (more than: next room, next house, next street, next neighborhood, This... next town, Or this. next state, next country, next planet)? Relevant? Yesish. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 12 Registered: 9-2008 |
Thanks for the kind greeting. I am having a lot of fun! So Angela was murdered in her own home, right? Did the murderer go to the residence specifically to kill someone? Or did he/she have other intentions in the beginning? Was the murderer a hired killer? Had Angela lived in that home for only a short time? Was there criminal activity in that home prior to Angela moving in? After Angela moved in? Did Dave previously live in the house/apartment where Angela lost her life? Was Dave involved in any criminal activities? Did he associate with criminals? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 246 Registered: 2-2008 |
Kaygee (Kaygee) Thanks for the kind greeting. I am having a lot of fun! It's a fun forum. So Angela was murdered in her own home, right? Yes. Did the murderer go to the residence specifically to kill someone? No. Or did he/she have other intentions in the beginning? Yes. Was the murderer a hired killer? No. Had Angela lived in that home for only a short time? Irr. Was there criminal activity in that home prior to Angela moving in? After Angela moved in? No. Did Dave previously live in the house/apartment where Angela lost her life? No. Was Dave involved in any criminal activities? Did he associate with criminals? No to all. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2008 |
I have only one non-lateral question: Was the unintentional murderer with a utility company? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 250 Registered: 2-2008 |
Kaygee (Kaygee) I have only one non-lateral question: Was the unintentional murderer with a utility company? Sounds lateral to me. But no. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 21 Registered: 9-2008 |
Does Dave's life “in danger” mean that he could have been killed? Physically injured? Convicted of a crime? Responsible for hefty fines? Or like the rest of us, learned to live with unforseen consequences? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 252 Registered: 2-2008 |
Kaygee (Kaygee) Does Dave's life “in danger” mean that he could have been killed? Yes. Physically injured? Yes. Convicted of a crime? No. Responsible for hefty fines? No. Or like the rest of us, learned to live with unforseen consequences? Unsure, rephrase? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 319 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was the murderer a person hired to do some sort of service at Angela's house (e.g. cable TV man, plumber etc)? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 260 Registered: 2-2008 |
Danielvs (Danielvs) Was the murderer a person hired to do some sort of service at Angela's house (e.g. cable TV man, plumber etc)? Yesish, but avoid an FA... | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 321 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did Dave refuse to pay a bill? Is the murderer a public employee? Profession relevant? Male? Female? Relevant? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 266 Registered: 2-2008 |
Danielvs (Danielvs) Did Dave refuse to pay a bill? No. Is the murderer a public employee? Yes.Profession relevant? Yes. Male? Female? Relevant? Irr. | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 324 Registered: 9-2006 |
Murderer's job: - Electrician? - Gas company employee? - Plumber? - Mail man/woman? - Tax collector? Was the murderer going to Angela's house to notify her of something? Is the age of the people involved relevant? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 269 Registered: 2-2008 |
Danielvs (Danielvs) Murderer's job: - Electrician? - Gas company employee? - Plumber? - Mail man/woman? This! - Tax collector? Was the murderer going to Angela's house to notify her of something? No. Is the age of the people involved relevant? No. | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 870 Registered: 9-2003 |
Is the murderer's motive relevant? His/her gender? (If yes to the 2nd question, which is it?) | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 326 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was the mailman going to Angela's house as a routine delivery of letters/parcels? Relevant to know what he was going to deliver? Did the mailman have any criminal intention when heading towards Angela's house? Was the mailman actually going to Angela dressed as a mailman but actually he had other intentions? Upon his arrival at Angela's house: did Angela answer the door? Or the mailman invaded the house? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 273 Registered: 2-2008 |
Haenlomal (Haenlomal) Is the murderer's motive relevant? Yes.His/her gender? No.(If yes to the 2nd question, which is it?) Danielvs (Danielvs) Was the mailman going to Angela's house as a routine delivery of letters/parcels? No.Relevant to know what he was going to deliver? So, FA. Did the mailman have any criminal intention when heading towards Angela's house? Yes. Was the mailman actually going to Angela dressed as a mailman but actually he had other intentions? Dress irr. Upon his arrival at Angela's house: did Angela answer the door? Or the mailman invaded the house? Probably this, irr. | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 876 Registered: 9-2003 |
Since the mailman's gender is irrelevant, can we without loss of generality assume that he is a man, so that we can ask "Did he do this?" or "Did he do that?" without using the more cumbersome "Did he or she...?" ? Murderer's motive: Paid hit? Revenge? Act of passion? Robbery? Silencing a potential witness? Misdirecting the law? Exact way the mailman killed Angela relevant? If yes, was she: Shot? Stabbed? Strangled? Drowned? Electrocuted? Suffocated? Bludgeoned? Decapitated? Where's the LTPF list of ways to be killed when you need it? =) | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 278 Registered: 2-2008 |
Haenlomal (Haenlomal) Since the mailman's gender is irrelevant, can we without loss of generality assume that he is a man, so that we can ask "Did he do this?" or "Did he do that?" without using the more cumbersome "Did he or she...?" ? Absolutely. Let's call him Frank. Murderer's motive: Paid hit? Revenge? Act of passion? Robbery? This. Silencing a potential witness? Misdirecting the law? Exact way the mailman killed Angela relevant? No.If yes, was she: Shot? Stabbed? Strangled? Any of these work fine. Drowned? Electrocuted? Suffocated? Bludgeoned? That might take a bit more effort, but sure. X) Decapitated? Where's the LTPF list of ways to be killed when you need it? =) Yeah, where'd it get off to? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 327 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was Dave cheap regarding security items? (alarms, door lockers etc) You once stated that Frank mistakenly targeted Angela. So he killed her just "because she was home" when he entered the house? Did he kill her because she started to scream, call the police etc? Relevant to know what Frank wanted to steal? Or he just needed money and he wasn't looking for anything specific? Did Frank think Angela's house was in fact Dave's? Recent change of address? Had Dave been receiving his mail on Angela's address? If so, relevant to know why? If Frank wasn't a mailman, would this have happened? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 279 Registered: 2-2008 |
Danielvs (Danielvs) Was Dave cheap regarding security items? No.(alarms, door lockers etc) You once stated that Frank mistakenly targeted Angela. So he killed her just "because she was home" when he entered the house? Did he kill her because she started to scream, call the police etc? This type of thing. Relevant to know what Frank wanted to steal? Yes.Or he just needed money and he wasn't looking for anything specific? Did Frank think Angela's house was in fact Dave's? YES. Recent change of address? No. Had Dave been receiving his mail on Angela's address? Yope. If so, relevant to know why? Yes. If Frank wasn't a mailman, would this have happened? No. | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 880 Registered: 9-2003 |
Did Dave have something valuable shipped over to Angela's house instead of his own house? If yes, was it because for whatever reason, the shipping costs were lower if he did it that way? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 281 Registered: 2-2008 |
Haenlomal (Haenlomal) Did Dave have something valuable shipped over to Angela's house instead of his own house? No, good thought. If yes, was it because for whatever reason, the shipping costs were lower if he did it that way? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 347 Registered: 9-2006 |
Does Dave live with someone else at his house? If so, is this third person involved? Did Frank want to steal something expensive? Something that robbers usually look for? You said that if Dave had explained to Angela he was cheap, he would be in danger. Would Frank have put Dave in danger? Would Angela? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 285 Registered: 2-2008 |
Danielvs (Danielvs) Does Dave live with someone else at his house? Irr. If so, is this third person involved? Did Frank want to steal something expensive? Yes. Something that robbers usually look for? Often, yes. You said that if Dave had explained to Angela he was cheap, he would be in danger. Would Frank have put Dave in danger? Yes. Would Angela? No. | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 349 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was the robber looking for: - money? - important document(s)? - jewellery? - electronic equipment? - expensive watch? If Dave had explained to Angela that he was cheap, then: - Angela would not be at home when Frank arrived? And instead would Dave be in her place? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 287 Registered: 2-2008 |
Danielvs (Danielvs) Was the robber looking for: - money? - important document(s)? - jewellery? Could be this. - electronic equipment? Or this. - expensive watch? Or this. I was thinking of something else, but these work. If Dave had explained to Angela that he was cheap, then: - Angela would not be at home when Frank arrived? No. And instead would Dave be in her place? No. | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 892 Registered: 9-2003 |
Just to make sure I understand this correctly: Frank's primary motivation was robbery, not murder, per se, but he killed Angela because she got in the way? If Dave had told Angela that he was cheap, would Frank have gone to Dave's place directly in an attempt to rob Dave? If Dave had let Angela known that he was cheap, would Angela not have anything expensive in her place from Frank to steal? Was there, in fact, the thing or things that Frank was looking for in either Angela's or Dave's place when Frank made his robbery attempt? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 288 Registered: 2-2008 |
Haenlomal (Haenlomal) Just to make sure I understand this correctly: Frank's primary motivation was robbery, not murder, per se, but he killed Angela because she got in the way? Yes. If Dave had told Angela that he was cheap, would Frank have gone to Dave's place directly in an attempt to rob Dave? Yes. If Dave had let Angela known that he was cheap, would Angela not have anything expensive in her place from Frank to steal? No, but partly OTRT. Was there, in fact, the thing or things that Frank was looking for in either Angela's No. or Dave's place Yes. when Frank made his robbery attempt? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 356 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did Frank know about the expensive thing because he was a mailman? If so, he knew about it through: a letter? a telegram? any sort of message that needs to pass through the postal service? Did Dave send a letter to Angela telling her about the expensive thing? Or vice-versa? Did Frank send a fake letter/telegram/message to Angela? to Dave? Had Dave explained to Angela that he was cheap, then would she have found something strange in Dave's behaviour? in his attitude(s)? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 293 Registered: 2-2008 |
Danielvs (Danielvs) Did Frank know about the expensive thing because he was a mailman? Yes. If so, he knew about it through: a letter? Yes. a telegram? any sort of message that needs to pass through the postal service? Did Dave send a letter to Angela telling her about the expensive thing? Yes. Or vice-versa? No. Did Frank send a fake letter/telegram/message to Angela? to Dave? No. Had Dave explained to Angela that he was cheap, then would she have found something strange in Dave's behaviour? in his attitude(s)? Possibly, but irrelevant. | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 906 Registered: 9-2003 |
So, just to clarify: Frank somehow intercepted a letter from Dave to Angela, read it, and wrongly deduced that there is an expensive thing worth stealing in Angela's place? Relevant why Frank decided to read Dave's letter to Angela as opposed to any other random letter that he'd undoubtedly have access to in his capacity as a mailman? Did Dave in his letter try to claim that he did not have the expensive thing at his place? Did Dave in his letter try to claim that Angela have the expensive thing at her place? Did Dave's cheapness cause Dave to store the expensive thing at his place, as opposed to some other more secure place (i.e. a safety deposit box, etc.)? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 226 Registered: 6-2008 |
Potential solution emailed. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 294 Registered: 2-2008 |
Haenlomal (Haenlomal) So, just to clarify: Frank somehow intercepted a letter from Dave to Angela, read it, and wrongly deduced that there is an expensive thing worth stealing in Angela's place? Yes. Relevant why Frank decided to read Dave's letter to Angela as opposed to any other random letter that he'd undoubtedly have access to in his capacity as a mailman? There is something potentially interesting about it, yes. Did Dave in his letter try to claim that he did not have the expensive thing at his place? No. Did Dave in his letter try to claim that Angela have the expensive thing at her place? No. Did Dave's cheapness cause Dave to store the expensive thing at his place, as opposed to some other more secure place (i.e. a safety deposit box, etc.)? Irr. Biograd (Biograd) Potential solution emailed. 100% Correct! You can $p0i1 or let people keep guessing, up to you. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 230 Registered: 6-2008 |
I'll let it keep going for a little bit longer--I may $p0il if nobody get's closer. I will give a hint though: Explore the capitalized "YES" in the post on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 1:28 pm. | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 361 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did Frank decide to read Dave's letter to Angela because of the type of the envelope? Because it wasn't stamped? Because there wasn't enough stamps on it? Was the letter already returning to the sender when the mailman got it? And this is the reason why he thought Angela's house was in fact Dave's? And then, if Dave had told Angela he was cheap (=that he would put less stamps than needed), she would have warned him of that and then he would have sent the letter correctly stamped. In this case, if the mailman opened this letter, he would go straight to Dave's house, putting his life in danger? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 301 Registered: 2-2008 |
Good hint, Bio. Danielvs (Danielvs) Did Frank decide to read Dave's letter to Angela because of the type of the envelope? Because it wasn't stamped? This. Because there wasn't enough stamps on it? Was the letter already returning to the sender when the mailman got it? Irr, but it would be returned to sender... And this is the reason why he thought Angela's house was in fact Dave's? Yesish. And then, if Dave had told Angela he was cheap (=that he would put less stamps than needed), she would have warned him of that No. and then he would have sent the letter correctly stamped. In this case, if the mailman opened this letter, he would go straight to Dave's house, putting his life in danger? Not exactly. There's one more step to why Frank would think that Angela's house was Dave's... | ||
| Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
New member Username: Haenlomal Post Number: 912 Registered: 9-2003 |
Did Dave want to write Angela a letter? But because he was too cheap, he did not put stamps on the envelope, but used Angela's real address as the supposed return address? And in the letter, did Dave allude to expensive things that tempted Frank to attempt his robbery? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 305 Registered: 2-2008 |
**************SPOILER You've got it now. Nice solving. Dave has aquired an expensive new piece of art (jewelry, electronics, whatever) and wants to tell his pen pal Angela about it. But being too cheap to pay forty-something cents for a stamp, he plays an old trick on the US Post Office (which works as long as you don't live too far away from the recipient): He put his address as the forwarding address, and Angela's as the return address. Then he dropped it, stampless, into the mail, assuming that the mailman would see there was not postage paid and "return" it to Angela. Unfortunately, this strange letter attracts the attention of somewhat deranged mail carrier Frank. He opens the letter, reads it, and decides to steal the expensive item. From the envelope, he falsely learns that the letter-writer lives at Angela's house. Upon breaking in and finding no Picasso, he becomes enraged and kills her. If only Dave had explained the trick he was playing in the letter, Frank would have understood and gone to Dave's house instead! | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 362 Registered: 9-2006 |
Nice one, Gourami! | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 306 Registered: 2-2008 |
Thank you! |
