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Scrunds can be divided into active & passive. An active scrund involves a false belief you've thought about, such as my belief that Christian doctrine held that Jesus turned leopards back into men. A passive scrund involves something you've taken for granted but never actually thought about. You realize that you had a passive scrund when you learn a new fact that comes as a surprise. I & everyone I asked long had a passive scrund about Israel. The fact about Israel is true of some other countries as well, but only about Israel is it surprising. What is it??
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It hasn't always been a "country"?

Does this scrund have to do with...
Geography?
Politics?
Population?
Religion?
Military?
Food?
Other ethnic considerations?
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It hasn't always been a "country"? irrel (What country has always been a country??)

Does this scrund have to do with...
Geography? no
Politics? no
Population? yes
Religion? yope
Military? no
Food? no
Other ethnic considerations? yesish
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Are languages relevant?

Not long ago I was visiting my parents and we had a conversation about how Yiddish came to be connected with the Jews and Israel, and what connection it has, if any, with Hebrew. Apparently it was essentially a dialect of German that a certain portion of the Jewish population picked up while being around German-speaking people, and subsequently adapted, so its connection with that ethnicity is essentially a coincidence. This seems like a topic very conducive to scrunds--I don't know if I fully have it right myself.
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Are languages relevant?yope

Not long ago I was visiting my parents and we had a conversation about how Yiddish came to be connected with the Jews and Israel, and what connection it has, if any, with Hebrew. Apparently it was essentially a dialect of German that a certain portion of the Jewish population picked up while being around German-speaking people, and subsequently adapted, so its connection with that ethnicity is essentially a coincidence. This seems like a topic very conducive to scrunds--I don't know if I fully have it right myself.This is interesting but not what I had in mind. It's about Jews but not specifically about Israel, although I realize that you may have been offerung it just as something interesting rather than as a solution.
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Does the scrund have to do with the Hebrew language? That most Israelis do not speak Hebrew?
Or does it have to with the population of Jews? That there are more non-Jews than Jews in Israel
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Does it have to do with the fact that most of Israel's population immigrated within the last century and for most of its history, it hasn't been a "Jewish" country? There are so many immigrants that one of the two major military units is designed to receive and assimilate them.

Does it have to do with secularism? Faith? For a country set up to protect a particular faith, it's remarkably secular, at least compared with its neighbors.

Does this have to do with the media (newspapers etc)?
Technology?
Religious strife?
The fact that Israel (well, Jerusalem) is sacred to three major faiths all at once?
Size of the population?
Ethnic, religious or other proportional makeup of the population?
Famous people?
A famous incident?
Travel? Tourism?
Is it humorous? Ironic?

Is it a scrund to do with Jews in general? But in Israel it's particularly remarkable for some reason? Could the scrund apply to other countries, ethnic groups, or religions? Could a similar scrund?

Where did you get the word 'scrund', anyway? It sounds just right, but I don't know why.
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Does the scrund have to do with the Hebrew language? no That most Israelis do not speak Hebrew? noish )(Is that true?)
Or does it have to with the population of Jews? yesishThat there are more non-Jews than Jews in Israel? yesish
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Does it have to do with the fact that most of Israel's population immigrated within the last century and for most of its history, it hasn't been a "Jewish" country noish or yope} There are so many immigrants that one of the two major military units is designed to receive and assimilate them? no

Does it have to do with secularism? see next answer Faith? yesishFor a country set up to protect a particular faith, it's remarkably secular, at least compared with its neighbors.

Does this have to do with the media (newspapers etc)? no
Technology? no
Religious strife? no
The fact that Israel (well, Jerusalem) is sacred to three major faiths all at once? yesish or yope
Size of the population? yes
Ethnic, religious or other proportional makeup of the population? yes--this is most relevant
Famous people? no
A famous incident? no
Travel? noTourism? no
Is it humorous? yesish Ironic? ditto

Is it a scrund to do with Jews in general? no But in Israel it's particularly remarkable for some reason? noCould the scrund apply to other countries, ethnic groups, or religions? It could but as far as I know it doesn't Could a similar scrund? ditto

Where did you get the word 'scrund', anyway? The "und" syllab;le is from "understand." I thought 'scrund' sounded right because it sounds awkward. It also has the virtue of being easy to pronounce & spell.
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BLOOPERRRALERTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 7:36 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Does the scrund have to do with the Hebrew language? no That most Israelis do not speak Hebrew? noish )(Is that true?)
Or does it have to with the population of Jews? yesishThat there are more non-Jews than Jews in Israel? yesishI think there's a bbbbbloooooooooooperrrr in the last question, but (for once), it's not my bbbbbloooooooooooperrrr. The population of Israel is about 5/6 Jewish. If you include the occupied territories, non-Jews may outnumber Jews, but as far as I know, no one but extreme right-wingers counts the occupied territories as part of Israel. They're under different (& much worse) laws &, unlike the Arabs who do live in Israel, the Palestinians in the territories are not Israeli citizens.
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I think I'm confused by the answers to his questions... and the blooper.

Is this scrund about the population of bloodline Jews? Orthodox Jews? any kind of Jew? vs. the population of non-Jews? Does it have to do with the actual numbers of each? Does it have to do with the numbers that actually live in the city?
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Does it have to do with Jewish denominations? Orthodox? Conservative? Liberal? Liberal/Reform? Reconstructionist (AKA atheist?)

Does it have to do with the relative lack of fundamentalism and increase of secularism compared with its neighbors?
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I think I'm confused by the answers to his questions... and the blooper.

Is this scrund about the population of bloodline Jews? yopeOrthodox Jews? see next answerany kind of Jew? yesvs. the population of non-Jews? yes Does it have to do with the actual numbers of each? Does it have to do with the numbers that actually live in the city? no--it's the ratio that is relevantish & no particular city in Isreal is esp. relevant}
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Does it have to do with Jewish denominations? noOrthodox? Conservative? Liberal? Liberal/Reform? Reconstructionist (AKA atheist?)

Does it have to do with the relative lack of fundamentalism and increase of secularism compared with its neighbors? noish
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OOPS! First time I made a blooper as a player. Sorry 'bout that.
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Belief vs. ethnicity relevant (i. e. ethnic Jews practicing other religions, e. g. atheism or Christianity)?
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Belief vs. ethnicity relevant somewhat(i. e. ethnic Jews practicing other religions, e. g. atheism or Christianity)? that example is not relevant
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Relevant where the majority of Jews living there were born? Relevant how many Jews were there before the country was formed? Is the relationship between Muslims and Jews pre-Israel relevant?
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Relevant where the majority of Jews living there were born?no Relevant how many Jews were there before the country was formed? no Is the relationship between Muslims and Jews pre-Israel relevant? no
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Are Muslims relevant? Christians?

Relationship between:
Jews/Muslims?
Jews/Xians?
Muslims/Xians?
All three?

Relevant that Arabs living in Israel are Israeli citizens? Or that Arabs living in Palestine aren't Israeli citizens?
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Are Muslims relevant? yes Christians? no

Relationship between:
Jews/Muslims? yope
Jews/Xians? no
Muslims/Xians? no
All three? no

Relevant that Arabs living in Israel are Israeli citizens? no or noish Or that Arabs living in Palestine aren't Israeli citizens? ditto
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Anything to do with the Dome of the Rock? The Western Wall? Both?
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Anything to do with the Dome of the Rock? no The Western Wall? no Both? no
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RECAP: Add the following to the puzzle statement. The following things are relevant: 1. the ratio of Jews to Arabs in the state of Israel (about 5:1) 2. A certain aspect of a certain religion
HINT: I'm not especially interested in religion or Israel (except insofar as each is useful as sources for puzzles), but this puzzle deals with something most of you probably know I'm interested in.
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Does that aspect you're interested in related to Women's rights?
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is Kosher food relevant?
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Does that aspect you're interested in related to Women's rights?No, & by the eay. women's rights don't interest me more than anyone else's rights.
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is Kosher food relevant? no. But food sure does interest me, although specifically kosher food does not.
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Does it have to do with eating pork? not eating pork? Vegetarianism? eating something particular? Not eating something particular?
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Does it have to do with eating pork? no not eating pork? noVegetarianism? no eating something particular? noNot eating something particular?It has nothing to do with food at all. Incredible as it may seem, food is not the ONLY thing that interests me.
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Nothing to do with Arthurian legend, is it? (I read somewhere that some of the stories about King David have parallels with Arthurian ones, though this might be untrue.)
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Nothing to do with Arthurian legend, is it? no, alas. (I read somewhere that some of the stories about King David have parallels with Arthurian ones, though this might be untrue.) I've never heard this claim & don't know enough about the King David legends to evaluate it.
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Whatever the fact is about Israel...
Does it relate to:
Foreign Policy?
Domestic Matters?
Laws?
Is that true in:
Other Middle-Eastern nations?
European Nations?
India?
China?
Russia?
Pakistan?
United Kingdom?
United States?
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Does the fact have anything to do with:
The United Nations?
Its constitution?
Its location?
Its demographics?
Defense? Nuclear weapons?
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Leopards "back" into men? When were leopards humans at all?
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Whatever the fact is about Israel...
Does it relate to:
Foreign Policy? no
Domestic Matters? yesish
Laws? no
Is that true in:
Other Middle-Eastern nations? Yes, but it's not a scrund for them, i.e., no one would be surprised that it's true of other Mideast states
European Nations?no
India? no
China? no
Russia? no
Pakistan?It's probably true but definitely not a scrund
United Kingdom? no
United States? no
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Does the fact have anything to do with:
The United Nations? no
Its constitution? no
Its location? Only insofar as it's location has given it a sizable Arab minority
Its demographics? yes
Defense? noNuclear weapons? no
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Leopards "back" into men? See next answer When were leopards humans at all? Never, in fact. But when I heard that Jesus had "cured the leopards," I thought that these leopards were men who had been enchanted into leopards & he broke the spell & turned them back into men again. That was the first scrund I posted, the one that introdiced the concept.
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I'm sorry that I missed that one. That sounds like a fun PUZZZZZZLE.

What makes it a scrund in Israel but not Pakistan?
(Oh wait, that's not a yes/no question...)
Hmm... what is there about Israel that makes it different from Pakistan? Ummm... Is it the prevalence of Judaism? The fact that they don't like terrorists? Is Jerusalem or any other individual cities relevant? Is Judaism the only relevant religion? If not, are any of the following relevant:
Christianity?
Islam?
Another monotheistic religion?
A polytheistic religion?
A lack of religion?
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I'm sorry that I missed that one. That sounds like a fun PUZZZZZZLE. In my truly objective judgment as the puzzle's creator, I think it most certainly was

What makes it a scrund in Israel but not Pakistan?
(Oh wait, that's not a yes/no question...)
Hmm... what is there about Israel that makes it different from Pakistan? Ummm... Is it the prevalence of Judaism? yesish The fact that they don't like terrorists? no Is Jerusalem or any other individual cities relevant? no Is Judaism the only relevant religion? noIf not, are any of the following relevant:
Christianity? no
Islam? yes
Another monotheistic religion? no
A polytheistic religion? no
A lack of religion? no
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Did you take it for granted that Muslims get to use HOV lanes on Wednesdays, when in reality it is the people from Kazakhstan who do?
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Did you take it for granted that Muslims get to use HOV lanes on Wednesdays, when in reality it is the people from Kazakhstan who do? Nooo---strange as it may seem, I never did take that for granted
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So, so far we have
1) You and some people you know didn't know a fact about Israel.
2) This fact was surprising to you, but it would not be surprising if it were true about some different country (for example, Pakistan).
3) The ratio of Jews to Muslims is approximately 5:1, and this is relevant to the fact.
4) some aspect of ________ is relevant.
Judaism? Islam? Other?
5) The fact has to do with matters within Israel's borders, as opposed to matters that extend infinitely in all directions.
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So, so far we have
1) You and some people you know didn't know a fact about Israel. Yes. I bet it's a scrund for most of you, too, but probably not to any Israelis who are on the forum
2) This fact was surprising to you, but it would not be surprising if it were true about some different country (for example, Pakistan).Well, there are countries it is true of & not surprising about. I bet Pakistan is one.
3) The ratio of Jews to Muslims is approximately 5:1, and this is relevant to the fact. yes
4) some aspect of ________ is relevant.
Judaism? yes Islam? yesOther? No other religion is relevant
5) The fact has to do with matters within Israel's borders, as opposed to matters that extend infinitely in all directions. yes
And I also gave you the hint that the matter in question is something I'm particularly interested in & many forum members know I'm interested in.
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I can't remember what you are interested in, other than food and great justice!
The aspect about Judaism that is relevant...
That it's what Jewish people believe? Something else?

The aspect about Islam that is relevant...
That it is what Muslim people believe? I feel like making another LTPF list, so here goes:
{LTPF List|Five Pillars of Islam
list1=
Faith
Prayer
Alms-giving
Fasting
Pilgrimage
}

Are any of the five pillars of Islam relevant? If so, consider LTPF List of Five Pillars of Islam.
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I can't remember what you are interested in, other than food and great justice! If I told you, it would give it away. So I'll just say that this interest of mine is evident in MOST of my puzzles
The aspect about Judaism that is relevant...
That it's what Jewish people believe? noish Something else? yesish

The aspect about Islam that is relevant...
That it is what Muslim people believe? yopeI feel like making another LTPF list, so here goes:
{LTPF List|Five Pillars of Islam
list1=
Faith
Prayer
Alms-giving
Fasting
Pilgrimage
}

Are any of the five pillars of Islam relevant? noIf so, consider LTPF List of Five Pillars of Islam.
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Is the specific aspect of Judaism...
one of its beliefs?
its prevalence?
its history?
its rituals?
something of which an average Gentile would know?

Is the specific aspect of Islam...
one of its beliefs?
its prevalence?
its history?
its rituals?
something of which an average non-Muslim would know?
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Is the specific aspect of Judaism...
one of its beliefs?
its prevalence?
its history?
its rituals?none of these is quite right, but rituals is probably closest
something of which an average Gentile would know? probably

Is the specific aspect of Islam...
one of its beliefs?
its prevalence?
its history?
its rituals? same as with Judaism
something of which an average non-Muslim would know? yes
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That Muslims wear yarmulkes and Jews wear Ihram clothing?
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Language relevant? Hebrew language, in particular?
the word for "God" in Hebrew?
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That Muslims wear yarmulkes and Jews wear Ihram clothing?No--clothing is irrel
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Language relevant? yes Hebrew language, in particular? yope
the word for "God" in Hebrew? no
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Literature relevant?
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Literature relevant?
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Testing. I seem to keep double posting. I swear I don't mean to do it.
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Literature relevant?yope or yesish
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Yiddish language relevant? or any of the other languages spoken in Israel? the variety of alphabets used in Israel?
Did your scrund involve which languages or alphabets the children in Israel learn at school?
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Yiddish language relevant? yope or any of the other languages spoken in Israel? yes the variety of alphabets used in Israel? no
Did your scrund involve which languages or alphabets the children in Israel learn at school? no
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Is Hebrew relevant? Is Arabic relevant? A different language relevant?
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Is Hebrew relevant? yes Is Arabic relevant? yes A different language relevant? yes
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Are any of these languages relevant?
[LTPF list|Languages]
* Afrikaans
* Albanian
* Amharic
* Arabic
* Armenian
* Azerbaijani
* Basque
* Belarusian
* Bengali
* Bihari
* Bosnian
* Breton
* Bulgarian
* Cambodian
* Catalan
* Chinese
* Corsican
* Croatian
* Czech
* Danish
* Dutch
* English
* Esperanto
* Estonian
* Faroese
* Filipino
* Finnish
* French
* Frisian
* Galician
* Georgian
* German
* Greek
* Guarani
* Gujarati
* Hebrew
* Hindi
* Hungarian
* Icelandic
* Indonesian
* Interlingua
* Irish
* Italian
* 1337
* Japanese
* Javanese
* Kannada
* Kazakh
* Klingon
* Korean
* Kurdish
* Kyrgyz
* Laothian
* Latin
* Latvian
* Lingala
* Lithuanian
* Macedonian
* Malay
* Malayalam
* Maltese
* Maori
* Marathi
* Moldavian
* Mongolian
* Montenegrin
* Nepali
* Norwegian
* Occitan
* Oriya
* Pashto
* Persian
* Pirate
* Polish
* Portuguese
* Punjabi
* Quechua
* Romanian
* Romansh
* Russian
* Scots Gaelic
* Serbian
* Serbo-Croatian
* Sesotho
* Shona
* Sindhi
* Sinhalese
* Slovak
* Slovenian
* Somali
* Spanish
* Sundanese
* Swahili
* Swedish
* Tajik
* Tamil
* Tatar
* Telugu
* Thai
* Tigrinya
* Tonga
* Turkish
* Turkmen
* Twi
* Uighur
* Ukrainian
* Urdu
* Uzbek
* Vietnamese
* Welsh
* Xhosa
* Yiddish
* Yoruba
* Zulu
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Are any of these languages relevant?All & only languages widely spoken in Israel are relevant. The official languages (Hebrew & Arabic) are relevant, as are English & Yiddish.I don't know which other languages are widely spoken in Israel.
[LTPF list|Languages]
* Afrikaans
* Albanian
* Amharic
* Arabic
* Armenian
* Azerbaijani
* Basque
* Belarusian
* Bengali
* Bihari
* Bosnian
* Breton
* Bulgarian
* Cambodian
* Catalan
* Chinese
* Corsican
* Croatian
* Czech
* Danish
* Dutch
* English
* Esperanto
* Estonian
* Faroese
* Filipino
* Finnish
* French
* Frisian
* Galician
* Georgian
* German
* Greek
* Guarani
* Gujarati
* Hebrew
* Hindi
* Hungarian
* Icelandic
* Indonesian
* Interlingua
* Irish
* Italian
* 1337
* Japanese
* Javanese
* Kannada
* Kazakh
* Klingon
* Korean
* Kurdish
* Kyrgyz
* Laothian
* Latin
* Latvian
* Lingala
* Lithuanian
* Macedonian
* Malay
* Malayalam
* Maltese
* Maori
* Marathi
* Moldavian
* Mongolian
* Montenegrin
* Nepali
* Norwegian
* Occitan
* Oriya
* Pashto
* Persian
* Pirate
* Polish
* Portuguese
* Punjabi
* Quechua
* Romanian
* Romansh
* Russian
* Scots Gaelic
* Serbian
* Serbo-Croatian
* Sesotho
* Shona
* Sindhi
* Sinhalese
* Slovak
* Slovenian
* Somali
* Spanish
* Sundanese
* Swahili
* Swedish
* Tajik
* Tamil
* Tatar
* Telugu
* Thai
* Tigrinya
* Tonga
* Turkish
* Turkmen
* Twi
* Uighur
* Ukrainian
* Urdu
* Uzbek
* Vietnamese
* Welsh
* Xhosa
* Yiddish
* Yoruba
* Zulu
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Does the scrund involve the languages? How the languages reproduce?
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Does the scrund involve the languages? yesish How the languages reproduce? no
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And now all I can think about is the reproductive cycle of languages. Very graphic language. Definately an R or NC-17 rating.

Literature is relevant... sortof. What about songs? art? books? movies?

Is there some [relevant noun] that every person in Israel knows despite language barriers? That select people know?
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And now all I can think about is the reproductive cycle of languages. Very graphic language. Definately an R or NC-17 rating.

Literature is relevant... sortof. What about songs? art? books? movies? Just books--one bpook, in particular. (Tha's a HINT!!)

Is there some [relevant noun] that every person in Israel knows despite language barriers? Almost everyone. There's nothing that literally everyone knows. That select people know? See previous answer
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What, the Torah?
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A book that everybody has read? Famous book? Not so famous book? Bible? Qur'an? Everybody Poops? How to freakin spell Qur'an relevant? spelling in general?
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What, the Torah? no
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A book that everybody has read?Everybody?? What book would that be?? Famous book? yes Not so famous book? no Bible? no Qur'an? yes, but you don't need to have read it to solve this puzzle, which I designed without having read the Qur'an, either.Everybody Poops? no How to freakin spell Qur'an relevant? nospelling in general? no
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"Peace be with you," which is 'Shalom Aleichem' in Hebrew, and 'Salaam Aleikhem' in Arabic? Other similarities between Hebrew and Arabic relevant?

You say this scrund is true of other countries, but is only surprising in Israel. Because Israel is a Jewish country and not primarily some other faith? For some other reason?
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"Peace be with you," which is 'Shalom Aleichem' in Hebrew, and 'Salaam Aleikhem' in Arabic? no Other similarities between Hebrew and Arabic relevant? no

You say this scrund is true of other countries, but is only surprising in Israel. yes Because Israel is a Jewish country and not primarily some other faith? yes For some other reason? no
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Is this scrund true (but not surprising) of Arab countries? Christian ones? Hindu? Buddhist? Atheist/secular? Does it have to do with religious freedom?

If you said no to any of the above, but this scrund were present in a country of one of those faiths where it isn't, would the scrund be as surprising? For the same reasons?

Does the scrund have to do with a specific location? The Western Wall/Dome of the Rock, perhaps? Or something else tangible (architecture, some sort of technology, clothing styles, etc)? Literature? Tradition?

Has the situation that causes the scrund lasted for the past 10 years? Longer? Did it exist before the State of Israel? Would it exist if the State of Israel did not exist?
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Is this scrund true (but not surprising) of Arab countries? yes Christian ones?{As far as I know, it is not true of any Christian country, but if it were, it would be a scrund.Hindu?Same as with Christian countries Buddhist? dittoAtheist/secular? dittoDoes it have to do with religious freedom? no

If you said no to any of the above, but this scrund were present in a country of one of those faiths where it isn't, would the scrund be as surprising? yes For the same reasons? yes

Does the scrund have to do with a specific location? noThe Western Wall/Dome of the Rock, perhaps? no Or something else tangible (architecture, some sort of technology, clothing styles, etc)? no Literature? no Tradition? yes

Has the situation that causes the scrund lasted for the past 10 years? yesLonger? yesDid it exist before the State of Israel? It was probably true but it was not not a scrund Would it exist if the State of Israel did not exist? possibly
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Is the Qur'an the top selling book in the nation? Which is surprising since it's considered a predominantly Jewish nation? Wheras most people would have thought the Torah would be the most frequently sold book? Or perhaps the bible in other nations?
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Can I hop in? Maybe get a quick recap?
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Is the Qur'an the top selling book in the nation? I don't know & it's irrel, but you're ORT (on the right track) Which is surprising since it's considered a predominantly Jewish nation? see previous answerWheras most people would have thought the Torah would be the most frequently sold book? I doubt it--most Israelis are anti-religious (perhaps because they resent how much political power Orthodox Judaism has in Israel) Or perhaps the bible in other nations? I don't know
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Can I hop in? yesMaybe get a quick recap? Add the following to the puzzle statement. The scrund is something that is true & unspurprising about all predominantly Muslim countries but but is surprising about Israel, whose population is about 1/6 Arab, with most of theses Arabs being Muslim.
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does this relate to some law about the Koran in Israel? some tradition about how it is treated? how it is taught?

does the Koran have some sort of status in Israel that you would expect more in an Islamic country?
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does this relate to some law about the Koran in Israel? no some tradition about how it is treated? no how it is taught? no

does the Koran have some sort of status in Israel that you would expect more in an Islamic country? no or noish
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Does the Koran (or anything else Islamic) have some sort of status that you would NOT expect in a non-Islamic country? In a secular country (is this scrund present and/or surprising in Turkey, for example)?

Anything to do with Sharia law, perhaps? They are allowing it force in some cases in Europe now, but you say this scrund does NOT (but could) apply to a Xian country.
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Does the Koran (or anything else Islamic) have some sort of status that you would NOT expect in a non-Islamic country? yesishIn a secular country (is this scrund present and/or surprising in Turkey, for example)? It's not present in Turkey & it would be surprising if it were

Anything to do with Sharia law, perhaps? noThey are allowing it force in some cases in Europe now, but you say this scrund does NOT (but could) apply to a Xian country. I did say that but may have spoken too soon. I'm pretty sure that the scrund does not apply to any such country but, on thinking it over, I realize that I can't be completely sure. This isn't because the answer is in principle unclear; it's just a result of my ignorance, esp. about the new countries that emerged from the fall of the USSR
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does it relate to the way the koran is taught? to where it is taught? to who reads it? to who sells them? to who buys them? to the teachings of the koran? to a rule that is in the koran?
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does it relate to the way the koran is taught? noto where it is taught? no to who reads it? to who sells them? noto who buys them? noto the teachings of the koran? yoopeto a rule that is in the koran? no. HINT: Focusing on the Koran is leading you down a blind alley. Better to think in terms of an Islamic custom
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is there some teaching of the koran that is relevant? or some action people might take in response to reading the koran? is there something relevant that some people do in Israel? that you might expect people only to do in an islamic country?
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Anything dealing with the dress of people?
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is there some teaching of the koran that is relevant? yesor some action people might take in response to reading the koran? yes is there something relevant that some people do in Israel? yes that you might expect people only to do in an islamic country?yes
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Anything dealing with the dress of people? no
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Does the Qur'an demand that people do something? And people do it?
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Does it have to do with a specific custom? Say, people taking a particular day off? Or the muezzins in towers calling people to pray? If so, is the custom normally observed by observant Muslims, but not by others? Or is not tolerated or supported by non-Muslims? But in Israel, for some reason, it is supported or accepted by the Jewish state?
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Does the Qur'an demand that people do something? I doubt very much that the Qur'an demands itAnd people do it? lots of Muslims (& virtually no non-Muslims) do it
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Does it have to do with a specific custom? yes Say, people taking a particular day off? no Or the muezzins in towers calling people to pray? no If so, is the custom normally observed by observant Muslims, yes but not by others? yes Or is not tolerated or supported by non-Muslims? noBut in Israel, for some reason, it is supported or accepted by the Jewish state? The Jewish state neither supports nor opposes the custom.
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Is the scrund that one would expect the Jewish state to outlaw the Muslim custom, and it doesn't?
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Is the scrund that one would expect the Jewish state to outlaw the Muslim custom, and it doesn't? no--no one would expect Israel to outlaw this custom
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You mentioned before that language (or languages?) is relevant? Does the custom involve reading? writing? speaking? listening?
Anything about greeting? saying good wishes? standard phrases? praying?
Relevant that both Arab and Hebrew are written from the right to the left?
Is the custom followed by Muslims everywhere in the world? But it's surprising that they do it in Israel? Because it's more difficult to do it in Isreal? or, maybe, easier?
Would the same scrund be possible in any other region where a large Muslim community lives in a predominantly non-Muslim society? (Tatarstan, for instance?) or does it have to be Jews that the Muslims live together with?
Do the Jews have a similar custom?
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You mentioned before that language (or languages?) is relevant? all languages spoken in Israel are relevant, but Arabic is most relevant & then Hebrew Does the custom involve reading? writing? speaking? listening?speaking is most relevant but all are relevant
Anything about greeting? saying good wishes? standard phrases? praying? none of those
Relevant that both Arab and Hebrew are written from the right to the left? no
Is the custom followed by Muslims everywhere in the world? yesBut it's surprising that they do it in Israel? no Because it's more difficult to do it in Isreal? or, maybe, easier? It's neither harder nor easier
Would the same scrund be possible in any other region where a large Muslim community lives in a predominantly non-Muslim society? {Tatarstan, for instance?} yesor does it have to be Jews that the Muslims live together with?no
Do the Jews have a similar custom? noish or yope
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So there is a custom?

That people do?

In Israel?

And?
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So there is a custom? yes

That people do? yes

In Israel? yes

And? Well, it's a Muslim custom; so many observant Muslims do it wherever they are
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Does the custom involve saying something? Performing an action? Thinking a thought? Dancing a dance? Reading a newspaper? Doing a crossword puzzle? Something else?
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Does the custom involve saying something? yesish Performing an action? yes Thinking a thought? Well, thought is involved in conscious action, but it's not JUST thought Dancing a dance? noReading a newspaper? no Doing a crossword puzzle? no Something else? yes
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OK. Does this involve reading something? Writing something? Typing something? Singing something? I've been waiting so long?
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OK. Does this involve reading something? Writing something? Typing something? Singing something? I've been waiting so long? Writing might be involved, but I think you're OWT (on the wrong track). Just think about various types of religious or ethnic customs.
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I don't know any customs.

Hmm... customs, customs, customs....

Watching football on Thanksgiving?
Drinking alcoholic beverages on St. Patrick's Day?
Drinking alcoholic beverages on New Year's Eve?
Vandalizing structures on Halloween?
Using illegal explosives on Independence Day?
Making someone do pushups on their birthday?
Playing Scrabble?
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I don't know any customs.

Hmm... customs, customs, customs....

Watching football on Thanksgiving?
Drinking alcoholic beverages on St. Patrick's Day?
Drinking alcoholic beverages on New Year's Eve?
Vandalizing structures on Halloween?
Using illegal explosives on Independence Day?
Making someone do pushups on their birthday?
Playing Scrabble? none of the above
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Is this a relatively well-known custom? Praying to Mecca? Not drinking alcohol? Fasting during Ramadan? The reason one would not expect it to apply to Israel is due to the current animosity between most Persian/Arabic nations and Israel?
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Oh, and is it related to food?
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Is this a relatively well-known custom? very Praying to Mecca? no Not drinking alcohol? noFasting during Ramadan? noThe reason one would not expect it to apply to Israel is due to the current animosity between most Persian/Arabic nations and Israel? no
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Oh, and is it related to food? no
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The reason we would expect it not to apply to Israel is that Israel is primarily Jewish rather than Muslim?

Does it have to do with weekends, or the calendar, or particular events of the Muslim year? IIRC Friday is the Sabbath for Muslims.
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Is it a custom also observed by Jews? If so, is it required by Judaism or by Israeli law? If not, are Israelis aware of the custom? Tolerant of it? Grudgingly tolerant? Approving?

Does it have to do with the public or private sphere?

Is it signified by something physical? If I look at a person, can I tell if they observe the custom? If I look at or inside their house? Car? Something else? (I'm thinking of something akin to the Jewish mezuzah, or door token, here.) Can recognizing the custom tell me that the person doing it is Muslim? Or tell me something else relevant?

Does it involve a particular action? Lack of action? Choices? Decisions? Is it necessary to spend money to observe this custom?

Should we be calling it a custom?

Are Israelis (whether Jewish or Arab) aware that people in other countries regard it as a scrund? Is it a scrund everywhere? For example, would a person living in Europe have this scrund about Israel? Would any non-Israeli Muslim who performs this custom have the scrund (would they think it does not apply in Israel)? If they thought it did not apply, would that be reason to dislike the Israeli state?

Great puzzle, by the way. It's becoming a mindworm!
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Is it a custom also observed by Jews? no If so, is it required by Judaism or by Israeli law? If not, are Israelis aware of the custom? yesTolerant of it? yes Grudgingly tolerant?
Non-grudgingly--it's unlikely that the custom would bother any Israeli Jews
Approving? No, they're probably indifferent

Does it have to do with the public or private sphere?public would be more accurate

Is it signified by something physical? If I look at a person, can I tell if they observe the custom? If I look at or inside their house? Car? Something else? (I'm thinking of something akin to the Jewish mezuzah, or door token, here.) Can recognizing the custom tell me that the person doing it is Muslim? Or tell me something else relevant?

Does it involve a particular action? yes Lack of action? no Choices? yes Decisions? yes Is it necessary to spend money to observe this custom? yes

Should we be calling it a custom? yes

Are Israelis (whether Jewish or Arab) aware that people in other countries regard it as a scrund? ProbablyIs it a scrund everywhere?Well, some people may happen to know about it, but for most people outside Iasael, it is a scrund For example, would a person living in Europe have this scrund about Israel? Probably Would any non-Israeli Muslim who performs this custom have the scrund (would they think it does not apply in Israel)? For some int would be a scrund, for some not If they thought it did not apply, would that be reason to dislike the Israeli state? no

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Is it signified by something physical? noish or yope If I look at a person, can I tell if they observe the custom? no If I look at or inside their house? no Car? noSomething else? yes (I'm thinking of something akin to the Jewish mezuzah, or door token, here.) Nothing like thatCan recognizing the custom tell me that the person doing it is Muslim? Anyone observing this custom is almost certainly MuslimOr tell me something else relevant? no
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Would one expect a devout Muslim to observe this custom?
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Would one expect a devout Muslim to observe this custom? yes
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Could I look inside their passport for determination? Dealing with a pilgrimage?
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Could I look inside their passport for determination? yes Dealing with a pilgrimage? no
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I don't know where to start here ..
is the custom to do with any of the following: business? making contracts? making deals? betting? gambling? making promises? swearing in public? work days? holidays?
does the "speaking" part of the custom relate to using particular words or phrases? not using particular words or phrases?
does it relate to the relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims?
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Mimino.
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Is it worn? Carried on the person? At all times? Emplaced somewhere permanently? If so, indoors or out? Temporarily? Is it bigger than a breadbox? Is it alive? Is its composition relevant (if it is made out of wood, etc)?

Re: the passport -- does it have to do with citizenship, picture, stamps, vital statistics? Is the item in question found inside the passport?

Is this custom observed only by Muslims of a certain age? Gender?
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Is it a scrund because outsiders would think that the custom is outlawed in Israel?
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could I look at other forms of official identification for determination? deals with naming?
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I don't know where to start here ..
is the custom to do with any of the following: business? making contracts? making deals? betting? gambling? making promises? swearing in public? work days? holidays? none of the above
does the "speaking" part of the custom relate to using particular words or phrases? Yes--see below. It has to do with naming not using particular words or phrases? no
does it relate to the relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims? no
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Mimino.
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Is it worn? Carried on the person? At all times? Emplaced somewhere permanently? If so, indoors or out? Temporarily? Is it bigger than a breadbox? Is it alive? Is its composition relevant (if it is made out of wood, etc)? no to all

Re: the passport -- does it have to do with citizenship, picture, stamps, vital statistics? none og those Is the item in question found inside the passport? yes

Is this custom observed only by Muslims of a certain age? yes Gender? no
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Is it a scrund because outsiders would think that the custom is outlawed in Israel? no
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could I look at other forms of official identification for determination? see next answer deals with naming? Yes!!! I'm surprised it took so long to guess this, since many of my other puzzles also deal with naming. NOW THE PUZZLE SHOULD BE READY TO BE SOLVED!!
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Do Muslims and Jews form their names differently? Anything to do with whether the given name precedes or follows the surname?
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Do Muslims and Jews form their names differently? irrel Also, I don't know)Anything to do with whether the given name precedes or follows the surname? no
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Does it have to do with naming of persons? Locations? Structures? Appliances? Anything tangible? Concepts?
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Does everyone in Israel adopt a Muslim name after their bar mitzvah?
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Anything to do with how children are named (ie, ben or bat "Surname" for Jews, ibn/bin or bint "Surname" for Muslims?
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One more...

Is the most common name Husayn?
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Does it have to do with naming of persons? yes Locations? no Structures? no Appliances? noAnything tangible? yes--peopleConcepts? no
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Does everyone in Israel adopt a Muslim name after their bar mitzvah? no
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Anything to do with how children are named yes (ie, ben or bat "Surname" for Jews, ibn/bin or bint "Surname" for Muslims? neither of those examples
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One more...

Is the most common name Husayn? No, but you're VERY, VERY ORT (on the right track!!!!!)
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Saddam? Osama? Yasser? Abdel? Something else associated with an enemy of Israel?

Some other name similar to a Hebrew name, perhaps associated with Judaism (Abraham/Ibrahim, for example)?
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Is there a Muslim name that is common in Israel? Perhaps Muhammad is more common than one would think?
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Saddam? Osama? Yasser? Abdel? none of those Something else associated with an enemy of Israel? no

Some other name similar to a Hebrew name, perhaps associated with Judaism (Abraham/Ibrahim, for example)? no
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Is there a Muslim name that is common in Israel?\[yes} Perhaps Muhammad is more common than one would think? Yes--this is close enough for me to declare a

**** SPOILER ************

Unless you're an Israeli or a person especially interested in names, you've probably never even thought about what is the most common name given to Israeli boys. But I bet you're surprised, as I was, to learn that it is Muhammad (which is also the world's most popular name for baby boys.) That's what makes this a passive scrund. If you think about it, it doesn't seem so odd. About 1/6 of Israelis (I mean Israeli citizens, not Palestinians in the occupied territories) are Arabs, most Israeli Arabs are Muslim, & Muhammed is more than 6x as popular among Muslims as any one name is among Israeli Jews. Also, the Arab birth rate is higher. Thanks for sticking with it, everyone, & for solving it, Doctapeppa, & please check out my new puzzle at the bottom of the page.
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That's a good passive scrund for sure. I never would have guessed that Mohammed is the most popular name in Israel, but once you mention it, it makes perfect sense.
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