| Author | Message | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 588 Registered: 7-2006 |
Because it was a cold morning John had to tell Tom some sad news that meant a lot of work for Tom. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 52 Registered: 11-2008 |
Tom - H?A?M? John - H? A? M? Were it a warm morning instead, would Tom avoid the work? Would it be useful to determine how cold it was? Was it freezing ? Was there snow? Relevant when this takes place? Where? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 589 Registered: 7-2006 |
Alhucema, Tom - H?A?M? John - H? A? M? YES Were it a warm morning instead, would Tom avoid the work? CORRECT Would it be useful to determine how cold it was? NOT REALLY Was it freezing ? Was there snow? NO OR MAYBE Relevant when this takes place? Where? YES, YES | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 53 Registered: 11-2008 |
When: LTPF list of centuries Where: LTPF list of countries Was Tom's work physical? Was John physically near Tom when he told him the sad news? Relevant? Did John directly tell Tom to do the work? Or was it something ensuing from the sad news? Are John's and/or Tom's professions relevant? If so, were they in a similar profession? Were they family? otherwise related? Did they know each other? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 590 Registered: 7-2006 |
Alhucema, When: LTPF list of centuries 19th Where: LTPF list of countries ENGLAND Was Tom's work physical? NO Was John physically near Tom when he told him the sad news? Relevant? YES, A LITTLE Did John directly tell Tom to do the work? NO Or was it something ensuing from the sad news? CORRECT Are John's and/or Tom's professions relevant? YES If so, were they in a similar profession? YES Were they family? otherwise related? Did they know each other? NO, NO, YES GOOD WORK SO FAR! | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 54 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was John famous? Was Tom? Would the same scenario be possible in the 16th century? 21st? Location another than England? Were they co-workers? competitors? was one the boss of the other? Wild guess: were they undertakers? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 591 Registered: 7-2006 |
Alhucema, Was John famous? Was Tom? YES Would the same scenario be possible in the 16th century? 21st? Location another than England? YES, NO, YES Were they co-workers? competitors? was one the boss of the other? NO, NO, NO Wild guess: were they undertakers? DEAD WRONG | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 55 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was John a nobleman? Was Tom? Was John involved in any criminal activity?Was Tom? The reason why this would not be possible in the 21st century: Technological changes? Social system? Sea relevant? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 592 Registered: 7-2006 |
Alhucema, Was John a nobleman? Was Tom? NO, NO Was John involved in any criminal activity?Was Tom? NO, NO The reason why this would not be possible in the 21st century: Technological changes? Social system? YES, NO Sea relevant? NO | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 593 Registered: 7-2006 |
The reason why this would not be possible in the 21st century: Technological changes? Social system? YES, NO JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS COULD HAPPEN IN THE 21ST CENTURY BUT VERY UNLIKELY IN THE WESTERN WORLD. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2008 |
Should we establish who exactly John was? Tom? Were they scientists? Electricity involved? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 595 Registered: 7-2006 |
Alhucema, Should we establish who exactly John was? Tom? NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY Were they scientists? NO Electricity involved? NO | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 479 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did someone die? Something? Because of the cold? And Tom had to clean it up? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 596 Registered: 7-2006 |
Jen, Did someone die? Something? Because of the cold? And Tom had to clean it up? NO | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2503 Registered: 2-2001 |
If it had been warmer, which part(s) of the statement (if any) is/are invalidated: That John had to tell Tom? That the news was sad? That Tom had more work? Non-physical work - this equates to not manual labor (labour, for you (: ); correct? Did it still correlate to physical effort of some kind? Did Dan have to write more? Think more? Revise a theory/hypothesis? Talk to more people? Pray more? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 598 Registered: 7-2006 |
BODO, If it had been warmer, which part(s) of the statement (if any) is/are invalidated: That John had to tell Tom? CORRECT That the news was sad? CORRECT That Tom had more work? CORRECT Non-physical work - this equates to not manual labor (labour, for you (: ); correct? CORRECT Did it still correlate to physical effort of some kind? YES Did Tom have to write more? Think more? Revise a theory/hypothesis? Talk to more people? Pray more? YES, YES, NO, PROBABLY, NO | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 3818 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was Tom a clerk? An author? Was he a teacher? Solicitor? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2506 Registered: 2-2001 |
So had it been warmer, John would not have had to tell Tom, nor would the news have been sad, nor would Tom have had a lot of work...shots-in-the-dark: religion relevant? Any relevant predictions? Would Tom have had some (vs. a lot of) work if it had been warmer? No work? Was the writing words? Numbers? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 480 Registered: 5-2003 |
Sad = Actual grief? Or was it something like, "Sad news, I lost your favorite pen?" Would Tom have any other emotions at this news, such as: Fear? Anger? Frustration? Happiness? Annoyance? Surprise? Did John have any of these emotions, including sadness, and if so, for the same reasons as Tom? Is John responsible for whatever happened? Is Tom? Did whatever happened occur during or because of the cold, or was it only discovered/could only be dealt with in the cold? Would either of them have expected it to be cold, or was there reason to expect warmth instead? Did they know that cold was in some way responsible? Did John personally discover the situation that meant sad news? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 481 Registered: 5-2003 |
Oh, did anything relevant freeze, congeal, or otherwise change in physical state due to the cold? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 599 Registered: 7-2006 |
Lynne, Was Tom a clerk? An author? Was he a teacher? Solicitor? NO, YES, NO, NO | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 600 Registered: 7-2006 |
BODO, So had it been warmer, John would not have had to tell Tom, nor would the news have been sad, nor would Tom have had a lot of work CORRECT ...shots-in-the-dark: religion relevant? Any relevant predictions? ALL MISS THE TARGET Would Tom have had some (vs. a lot of) work if it had been warmer? No work? LESS AND DIFFERENT PROBABLY Was the writing words? Numbers? YES, NO | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 601 Registered: 7-2006 |
JEN, Sad = Actual grief? NO Or was it something like, "Sad news, I lost your favorite pen?" YES Would Tom have any other emotions at this news, such as: Fear? Anger? Frustration? Happiness? Annoyance? Surprise? NO, YES, YES, NO, YES, YES Did John have any of these emotions, including sadness, and if so, for the same reasons as Tom? YES Is John responsible for whatever happened? Is Tom? YES, NO Did whatever happened occur during or because of the cold, or was it only discovered/could only be dealt with in the cold? YES, NO Would either of them have expected it to be cold, or was there reason to expect warmth instead? YES, NO Did they know that cold was in some way responsible? Did John personally discover the situation that meant sad news? YES, YES Oh, did anything relevant freeze, congeal, or otherwise change in physical state due to the cold? NO, NO, YES | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 195 Registered: 10-2008 |
were these men public servants? or were they working in the private sector? does tom write for a newspaper? magazine? does he write books? reports? is the relevant thing that changed physical state made of wood? metal? an ore? organic? does it change state: gas to liquid? liquid to solid? solid to liquid? liquid to gas? otherwise? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 602 Registered: 7-2006 |
USM, were these men public servants? or were they working in the private sector? NO, YES does tom write for a newspaper? magazine? does he write books? reports? MAYBE, MAYBE, YES, NO is the relevant thing that changed physical state made of wood? metal? an ore? organic? NO, NO, NO, YES does it change state: gas to liquid? liquid to solid? solid to liquid? liquid to gas? otherwise? OTHERWISE | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 196 Registered: 10-2008 |
is the organic thing edible? used in textiles? marketed at all? grown by humans? only harvested naturally? does it grow on land? in the sea? to avoid a possible FA I am making, what trophic level is this organic thing in? (for a basic refresher on trophic levels: http://sparkleberrysprings.com/v-web/b2/images/t/trophic2c.png ) | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 197 Registered: 10-2008 |
just realized that was not worded as a yes/no. is it in the primary producer TL? primary consumer? secondary consumer? tertiary consumer? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 603 Registered: 7-2006 |
Usmcfink, is the organic thing edible? used in textiles? marketed at all? grown by humans? only harvested naturally? NOT REALLY, POSSIBLY, YES, NO, NOT REALLY does it grow on land? in the sea? NOT DIRECTLY, NO is it in the primary producer TL? primary consumer? secondary consumer? tertiary consumer? YES, NO, NO, NO | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 198 Registered: 10-2008 |
so it is not grown by humans and it is not harvested by humans but it is marketed by humans? Grown would be like crops and such, harvested would be like lumber. Doesn't grow directly on land and not in the sea...does this thing have roots? Do humans make jewelry from it? office supplies? Is the product made by this thing a luxury item? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 604 Registered: 7-2006 |
Usm, so it is not grown by humans and it is not DIRECTLY harvested by humans but it is marketed by humans? CORRECT Grown would be like crops and such, harvested would be like lumber. Doesn't grow directly on land and not in the sea...does this thing have roots? Do humans make jewelry from it? office supplies? NO, NO, YES Is the product made by this thing a luxury item? CAN BE BUT USUALLY NOT | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 199 Registered: 10-2008 |
does this thing grow at all? is it produced by another animal? anything to do with ink? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 605 Registered: 7-2006 |
USM, does this thing grow at all? YOPE is it produced by another animal? NO anything to do with ink? YES | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2510 Registered: 2-2001 |
Oak galls relevant? | ||
| Rabrab (Rabrab)
New member Username: Rabrab Post Number: 1657 Registered: 2-2005 |
Had John left a window open and the ink did whatever it is that oak gall ink does when it gets too cold? Was Tom going to have to make more ink? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 606 Registered: 7-2006 |
Bodo and Rabrab, Oak galls relevant? NO Had John left a window open and the ink did whatever it is that oak gall ink does when it gets too cold? Was Tom going to have to make more ink? NO | ||
| Sollen (Sollen)
New member Username: Sollen Post Number: 333 Registered: 10-2003 |
are feathers relevent? (yes this will seem rather inane question if my solution is wrong heh) | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 611 Registered: 7-2006 |
Sollen, are feathers relevent? (yes this will seem rather inane question if my solution is wrong heh) I DON'T THINK SO | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 207 Registered: 10-2008 |
is any type of fruit or berry relevant? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 626 Registered: 7-2006 |
is any type of fruit or berry relevant? NO | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1110 Registered: 12-2004 |
Is the organic thing a plant? A fungus? A protist? A bacterium? Something else? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 629 Registered: 7-2006 |
Doc, Is the organic thing a plant? A fungus? A protist? A bacterium? Something else? PLANT BASED | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1179 Registered: 12-2004 |
Plant based... So is it a lichen? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 631 Registered: 7-2006 |
Doc, Plant based... So is it a lichen? NO | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 284 Registered: 6-2008 |
So a plant-based ink changes state? Does it become more viscous and therefore not flow? change color? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 634 Registered: 7-2006 |
Bio, So a plant-based ink changes state? NO Does it become more viscous and therefore not flow? change color? NO - wrong line | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1325 Registered: 12-2004 |
Is some kind of plant-derived product/object relevant? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 637 Registered: 7-2006 |
Doc, Is some kind of plant-derived product/object relevant? YES | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 213 Registered: 10-2008 |
And this plant is without roots? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 638 Registered: 7-2006 |
USM And this plant is without roots? NO. JUST TO CLARIFY, ONE ASPECT OF THIS PUZZLE INVOLVES SOMETHING THAT WAS DERIVED FROM PLANT MATERIAL (AND THOSE PLANTS HAD ROOTS). THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER ASPECTS OF THE PUZZLE THAT WOULD BE MORE FRUITFUL LINES OF ENQUIRY. | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 236 Registered: 10-2008 |
is the ink a good line of inquiry? what it was used for? what it is made of? what changes it undergoes when weather changes? where it is stored? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 639 Registered: 7-2006 |
Usm, is the ink a good line of inquiry? NOT PARTICULARLY what it was used for? YES what it is made of? NO what changes it undergoes when weather changes? MAYBE where it is stored? NO | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 245 Registered: 10-2008 |
should we explore their location? their profession? the time period they existed in? their relation to each other? Was the ink used for books? newspapers? fliers? Was a change in the ink due to cold weather a cause of the sad news/lot of work? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 640 Registered: 7-2006 |
USM, should we explore their location? their profession? the time period they existed in? their relation to each other? NO, YES, POSSIBLY, POSSIBLY Was the ink used for books? newspapers? fliers? YES, NO, NO Was a change in the ink due to cold weather a cause of the sad news/lot of work? NO | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 262 Registered: 10-2008 |
well, we already know they are authors. do they write some type of almanac? novels? non-fiction? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 641 Registered: 7-2006 |
USM, well, we already know they are authors. CORRECT do they write some type of almanac? novels? non-fiction? NO, NO, YES | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 273 Registered: 10-2008 |
do they write textbooks? if so, [LTPF list of academic subjects]? self-help? cookbooks? reports? governmental writings? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 642 Registered: 7-2006 |
USM, do they write textbooks? if so, [LTPF list of academic subjects]? self-help? cookbooks? reports? governmental writings? MAINLY HISTORY, POLITICS AND PHILOSOPHY | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 280 Registered: 10-2008 |
and, just for clarity, the cold is the trigger of the bad news? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 643 Registered: 7-2006 |
USM and, just for clarity, the cold is the trigger of the bad news? CORRECT. BECAUSE IT WAS COLD SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT RESULTED IN THE BAD NEWS. | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 282 Registered: 10-2008 |
is the change of or changing of state of any object, material, etc. relevant? people's moods? animals? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 644 Registered: 7-2006 |
USM, is the change of or changing of state of any object, material, etc. relevant? YES people's moods? animals? NO | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 554 Registered: 5-2003 |
Had someone left the window open? Did the paper get wet? Did Tom have to write it all over again? Any other people involved besides John and Tom? Actual incident? John Hancock or Adams? Tom Jefferson? | ||
| Bodo (Bodo)
New member Username: Bodo Post Number: 2568 Registered: 2-2001 |
I thought of Adams and Jefferson, but it's set in the UK. Printing press relevant? Transport relevant? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 645 Registered: 7-2006 |
Jen and Bodo Had someone left the window open? Did the paper get wet? Did Tom have to write it all over again? NO, NO, YES Any other people involved besides John and Tom? YES Actual incident? YES John Hancock or Adams? Tom Jefferson? NO Printing press relevant? Transport relevant? NO, NO | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 49 Registered: 9-2008 |
A-Ha! The organic product is "paper". And John mistakenly burned Tom's manuscript in the fireplace/stove in order to heat the room. However, I am afraid that I will not be any good at uncovering the true identities of John and Tom! | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 646 Registered: 7-2006 |
* * * SPOILER * * * Kaygee cracked it. A-Ha! The organic product is "paper". And John mistakenly burned Tom's manuscript in the fireplace/stove in order to heat the room. In 1837, the writer Thomas Carlyle finished his 800 page manuscript, A History of the French Revolution. He gave the only copy to his friend, the philosopher, John Stuart Mill, who left it on his desk. The next morning, Mill’s maid mistook the manuscript for waste paper and used it to light the fire. Mill abjectly apologised to Carlyle who then wrote out the whole work again. Well done to all who took part in this marathon effort. | ||
| Usmcfink (Usmcfink)
New member Username: Usmcfink Post Number: 293 Registered: 10-2008 |
Haha good story! |
