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Because it was a cold morning John had to tell Tom some sad news that meant a lot of work for Tom.
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Tom - H?A?M?
John - H? A? M?

Were it a warm morning instead, would Tom avoid the work?

Would it be useful to determine how cold it was? Was it freezing ? Was there snow?

Relevant when this takes place? Where?
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Alhucema,

Tom - H?A?M?
John - H? A? M?
YES

Were it a warm morning instead, would Tom avoid the work?
CORRECT

Would it be useful to determine how cold it was?
NOT REALLY

Was it freezing ? Was there snow?
NO OR MAYBE

Relevant when this takes place? Where?
YES, YES
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When: LTPF list of centuries
Where: LTPF list of countries

Was Tom's work physical?

Was John physically near Tom when he told him the sad news? Relevant?

Did John directly tell Tom to do the work? Or was it something ensuing from the sad news?

Are John's and/or Tom's professions relevant? If so, were they in a similar profession?

Were they family? otherwise related? Did they know each other?
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Alhucema,

When: LTPF list of centuries
19th

Where: LTPF list of countries
ENGLAND

Was Tom's work physical?
NO

Was John physically near Tom when he told him the sad news? Relevant?
YES, A LITTLE

Did John directly tell Tom to do the work?
NO

Or was it something ensuing from the sad news?
CORRECT

Are John's and/or Tom's professions relevant?
YES

If so, were they in a similar profession?
YES

Were they family? otherwise related? Did they know each other?
NO, NO, YES

GOOD WORK SO FAR!
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Was John famous? Was Tom?

Would the same scenario be possible in the 16th century? 21st? Location another than England?

Were they co-workers? competitors? was one the boss of the other?

Wild guess: were they undertakers?
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Alhucema,

Was John famous? Was Tom?
YES

Would the same scenario be possible in the 16th century? 21st? Location another than England?
YES, NO, YES

Were they co-workers? competitors? was one the boss of the other?
NO, NO, NO

Wild guess: were they undertakers?
DEAD WRONG
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Was John a nobleman? Was Tom?

Was John involved in any criminal activity?Was Tom?

The reason why this would not be possible in the 21st century: Technological changes? Social system?

Sea relevant?
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Alhucema,

Was John a nobleman? Was Tom?
NO, NO

Was John involved in any criminal activity?Was Tom?
NO, NO

The reason why this would not be possible in the 21st century: Technological changes? Social system?
YES, NO

Sea relevant?
NO
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The reason why this would not be possible in the 21st century: Technological changes? Social system?
YES, NO

JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS COULD HAPPEN IN THE 21ST CENTURY BUT VERY UNLIKELY IN THE WESTERN WORLD.
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Should we establish who exactly John was? Tom?

Were they scientists?

Electricity involved?
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Alhucema,

Should we establish who exactly John was? Tom?
NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY

Were they scientists?
NO

Electricity involved?
NO
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Did someone die? Something? Because of the cold? And Tom had to clean it up?
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Jen,

Did someone die? Something? Because of the cold? And Tom had to clean it up?
NO
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If it had been warmer, which part(s) of the statement (if any) is/are invalidated:

That John had to tell Tom?

That the news was sad?

That Tom had more work?

Non-physical work - this equates to not manual labor (labour, for you (: ); correct? Did it still correlate to physical effort of some kind? Did Dan have to write more? Think more? Revise a theory/hypothesis? Talk to more people? Pray more?
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BODO,

If it had been warmer, which part(s) of the statement (if any) is/are invalidated:

That John had to tell Tom?
CORRECT

That the news was sad?
CORRECT

That Tom had more work?
CORRECT

Non-physical work - this equates to not manual labor (labour, for you (: ); correct?
CORRECT

Did it still correlate to physical effort of some kind?
YES

Did Tom have to write more? Think more? Revise a theory/hypothesis? Talk to more people? Pray more?
YES, YES, NO, PROBABLY, NO
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Was Tom a clerk? An author?
Was he a teacher? Solicitor?
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So had it been warmer, John would not have had to tell Tom, nor would the news have been sad, nor would Tom have had a lot of work...shots-in-the-dark: religion relevant? Any relevant predictions?

Would Tom have had some (vs. a lot of) work if it had been warmer? No work?

Was the writing words? Numbers?
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Sad = Actual grief? Or was it something like, "Sad news, I lost your favorite pen?" Would Tom have any other emotions at this news, such as:

Fear?
Anger?
Frustration?
Happiness?
Annoyance?
Surprise?

Did John have any of these emotions, including sadness, and if so, for the same reasons as Tom?

Is John responsible for whatever happened? Is Tom? Did whatever happened occur during or because of the cold, or was it only discovered/could only be dealt with in the cold?

Would either of them have expected it to be cold, or was there reason to expect warmth instead? Did they know that cold was in some way responsible? Did John personally discover the situation that meant sad news?
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Oh, did anything relevant freeze, congeal, or otherwise change in physical state due to the cold?
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Lynne,

Was Tom a clerk? An author?
Was he a teacher? Solicitor?
NO, YES, NO, NO
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BODO,

So had it been warmer, John would not have had to tell Tom, nor would the news have been sad, nor would Tom have had a lot of work
CORRECT

...shots-in-the-dark: religion relevant? Any relevant predictions?
ALL MISS THE TARGET

Would Tom have had some (vs. a lot of) work if it had been warmer? No work?
LESS AND DIFFERENT PROBABLY

Was the writing words? Numbers?
YES, NO
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JEN,

Sad = Actual grief?
NO

Or was it something like, "Sad news, I lost your favorite pen?"
YES

Would Tom have any other emotions at this news, such as:

Fear?
Anger?
Frustration?
Happiness?
Annoyance?
Surprise?
NO, YES, YES, NO, YES, YES

Did John have any of these emotions, including sadness, and if so, for the same reasons as Tom?
YES

Is John responsible for whatever happened? Is Tom?
YES, NO

Did whatever happened occur during or because of the cold, or was it only discovered/could only be dealt with in the cold?
YES, NO

Would either of them have expected it to be cold, or was there reason to expect warmth instead?
YES, NO

Did they know that cold was in some way responsible? Did John personally discover the situation that meant sad news?
YES, YES

Oh, did anything relevant freeze, congeal, or otherwise change in physical state due to the cold?
NO, NO, YES
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were these men public servants? or were they working in the private sector?

does tom write for a newspaper? magazine? does he write books? reports?

is the relevant thing that changed physical state made of wood? metal? an ore? organic?

does it change state: gas to liquid? liquid to solid? solid to liquid? liquid to gas? otherwise?
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USM,

were these men public servants? or were they working in the private sector?
NO, YES

does tom write for a newspaper? magazine? does he write books? reports?
MAYBE, MAYBE, YES, NO

is the relevant thing that changed physical state made of wood? metal? an ore? organic?
NO, NO, NO, YES

does it change state: gas to liquid? liquid to solid? solid to liquid? liquid to gas? otherwise?
OTHERWISE
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is the organic thing edible? used in textiles? marketed at all? grown by humans? only harvested naturally?

does it grow on land? in the sea?

to avoid a possible FA I am making, what trophic level is this organic thing in?

(for a basic refresher on trophic levels: http://sparkleberrysprings.com/v-web/b2/images/t/trophic2c.png )
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just realized that was not worded as a yes/no.

is it in the primary producer TL? primary consumer? secondary consumer? tertiary consumer?
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Usmcfink,

is the organic thing edible? used in textiles? marketed at all? grown by humans? only harvested naturally?
NOT REALLY, POSSIBLY, YES, NO, NOT REALLY

does it grow on land? in the sea?
NOT DIRECTLY, NO

is it in the primary producer TL? primary consumer? secondary consumer? tertiary consumer?
YES, NO, NO, NO
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so it is not grown by humans and it is not harvested by humans but it is marketed by humans?

Grown would be like crops and such, harvested would be like lumber.

Doesn't grow directly on land and not in the sea...does this thing have roots? Do humans make jewelry from it? office supplies?

Is the product made by this thing a luxury item?
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Usm,

so it is not grown by humans and it is not DIRECTLY harvested by humans but it is marketed by humans?
CORRECT


Grown would be like crops and such, harvested would be like lumber.

Doesn't grow directly on land and not in the sea...does this thing have roots? Do humans make jewelry from it? office supplies?
NO, NO, YES

Is the product made by this thing a luxury item?
CAN BE BUT USUALLY NOT
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does this thing grow at all? is it produced by another animal?

anything to do with ink?
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USM,

does this thing grow at all?
YOPE

is it produced by another animal?
NO

anything to do with ink?
YES
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Oak galls relevant?
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Had John left a window open and the ink did whatever it is that oak gall ink does when it gets too cold? Was Tom going to have to make more ink?
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Bodo and Rabrab,

Oak galls relevant?
NO

Had John left a window open and the ink did whatever it is that oak gall ink does when it gets too cold? Was Tom going to have to make more ink?
NO
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are feathers relevent? (yes this will seem rather inane question if my solution is wrong heh)
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Sollen,

are feathers relevent? (yes this will seem rather inane question if my solution is wrong heh)
I DON'T THINK SO
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is any type of fruit or berry relevant?
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is any type of fruit or berry relevant?
NO
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Is the organic thing a plant? A fungus? A protist? A bacterium? Something else?
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Doc,

Is the organic thing a plant? A fungus? A protist? A bacterium? Something else?
PLANT BASED
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Plant based...
So is it a lichen?
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Doc,

Plant based...
So is it a lichen?

NO
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So a plant-based ink changes state?

Does it become more viscous and therefore not flow? change color?
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Bio,

So a plant-based ink changes state?
NO

Does it become more viscous and therefore not flow? change color?
NO - wrong line
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Is some kind of plant-derived product/object relevant?
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Doc,

Is some kind of plant-derived product/object relevant?

YES
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And this plant is without roots?
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USM
And this plant is without roots?
NO.
JUST TO CLARIFY, ONE ASPECT OF THIS PUZZLE INVOLVES SOMETHING THAT WAS DERIVED FROM PLANT MATERIAL (AND THOSE PLANTS HAD ROOTS). THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER ASPECTS OF THE PUZZLE THAT WOULD BE MORE FRUITFUL LINES OF ENQUIRY.
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is the ink a good line of inquiry? what it was used for? what it is made of? what changes it undergoes when weather changes? where it is stored?
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Usm,

is the ink a good line of inquiry?
NOT PARTICULARLY

what it was used for?
YES

what it is made of?
NO

what changes it undergoes when weather changes?
MAYBE

where it is stored?
NO
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should we explore their location? their profession? the time period they existed in? their relation to each other?

Was the ink used for books? newspapers? fliers?

Was a change in the ink due to cold weather a cause of the sad news/lot of work?
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USM,

should we explore their location? their profession? the time period they existed in? their relation to each other?
NO, YES, POSSIBLY, POSSIBLY

Was the ink used for books? newspapers? fliers?
YES, NO, NO

Was a change in the ink due to cold weather a cause of the sad news/lot of work?
NO
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well, we already know they are authors. do they write some type of almanac? novels? non-fiction?
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USM,

well, we already know they are authors.
CORRECT

do they write some type of almanac? novels? non-fiction?
NO, NO, YES
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do they write textbooks? if so, [LTPF list of academic subjects]? self-help? cookbooks? reports? governmental writings?
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USM,

do they write textbooks? if so, [LTPF list of academic subjects]? self-help? cookbooks? reports? governmental writings?
MAINLY HISTORY, POLITICS AND PHILOSOPHY
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and, just for clarity, the cold is the trigger of the bad news?
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USM

and, just for clarity, the cold is the trigger of the bad news?
CORRECT. BECAUSE IT WAS COLD SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT RESULTED IN THE BAD NEWS.
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is the change of or changing of state of any object, material, etc. relevant? people's moods? animals?
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USM,

is the change of or changing of state of any object, material, etc. relevant?
YES

people's moods? animals?
NO
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Had someone left the window open? Did the paper get wet? Did Tom have to write it all over again?

Any other people involved besides John and Tom?

Actual incident?

John Hancock or Adams? Tom Jefferson?
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I thought of Adams and Jefferson, but it's set in the UK.

Printing press relevant? Transport relevant?
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Jen and Bodo

Had someone left the window open? Did the paper get wet? Did Tom have to write it all over again?
NO, NO, YES

Any other people involved besides John and Tom?
YES

Actual incident?
YES

John Hancock or Adams? Tom Jefferson?
NO

Printing press relevant? Transport relevant?
NO, NO
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A-Ha! The organic product is "paper".

And John mistakenly burned Tom's manuscript in the fireplace/stove in order to heat the room.

However, I am afraid that I will not be any good at uncovering the true identities of John and Tom!
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* * * SPOILER * * *

Kaygee cracked it.

A-Ha! The organic product is "paper".
And John mistakenly burned Tom's manuscript in the fireplace/stove in order to heat the room.

In 1837, the writer Thomas Carlyle finished his 800 page manuscript, A History of the French Revolution. He gave the only copy to his friend, the philosopher, John Stuart Mill, who left it on his desk. The next morning, Millís maid mistook the manuscript for waste paper and used it to light the fire. Mill abjectly apologised to Carlyle who then wrote out the whole work again.

Well done to all who took part in this marathon effort.
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Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 2:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haha good story!

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