| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 603 Registered: 5-2003 |
True story: A submarine, in peacetime, deliberately attacked a civilian ship loaded with hundreds of innocent people. The ship sank, and at least a dozen people died. The captain was commended. Explain. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 309 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did this happen in the north of Europe? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 604 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did this happen in the north of Europe? No. | ||
| Doctapeppa (Doctapeppa)
New member Username: Doctapeppa Post Number: 1679 Registered: 12-2004 |
Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? Is it relevant who was on the civilian ship? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 606 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? Is it relevant who was on the civilian ship? /b{Yes.} This occurred in the 20th century. The only sinking of a ship by a submarine in the 19th was the CSS Hunley during the Civil War, and it sank the warship USS Housatonic. I'm unaware of any sinkings, other than accidental ones, carried out by subs in the 21st century. The last deliberate "kill" by a sub was during the Falklands War. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 311 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did the sunk ship carry any relevant cargo? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 608 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the sunk ship carry any relevant cargo? No, it was purely a passenger vessel. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 312 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did the ship carry an important person, then?? Was the submarine from a different country than the sunk ship? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1659 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was there an outbreak of a deadly disease on board the ship? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 611 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the ship carry an important person, then?? Not a VIP, no. Was the submarine from a different country than the sunk ship? Yes. Was there an outbreak of a deadly disease on board the ship? No. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 315 Registered: 11-2008 |
Were the countries enemies (although no war was declared between them)? Was the captain of the submarine trying to avoid something? Cause something to happen? Did he attack the ship deliberately? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1663 Registered: 1-2007 |
Were the passengers trying to enter a particular country illegally? Was the captain of the sub's intention to sink the ship? Did the sub rescue the surviving passengers? Was the captain ordered to open fire or did he use his own judgement? I want to check a few assumptions. The dozen or so people who died were all passengers on the ship? they died as a direct result of the sub attack? Did the sub actually fire any torpedos or other missiles? The captain who was commended was the captain of the submarine? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 613 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were the countries enemies (although no war was declared between them)? No. Was the captain of the submarine trying to avoid something? No. Cause something to happen? Yes. Did he attack the ship deliberately? Yes. Were the passengers trying to enter a particular country illegally? No. Was the captain of the sub's intention to sink the ship? No. Did the sub rescue the surviving passengers? Some of them, other vessels helped. Was the captain ordered to open fire or did he use his own judgement? Used his own judgement. I want to check a few assumptions. The dozen or so people who died were all passengers on the ship? Yope. they died as a direct result of the sub attack? Yes. Did the sub actually fire any torpedos or other missiles? Yes. The captain who was commended was the captain of the submarine? Yes. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1667 Registered: 1-2007 |
Did the sub captain feel threatened by the ship? Did he act on erroneous information? Did the ship act in an agressive manner? anything to do with display of flags? Was there any communication between the ship and the sub before they opened fire? Did any of the subs crew die? Was the shot meant only as a warning? Did the sub only fire one missile/torpedo Was there some political tension which led to this incident? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 317 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was the captain of the submarine trying to get rid of the torpedo? Did he need a fire signal? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 614 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the sub captain feel threatened by the ship? No. Did he act on erroneous information? No. Did the ship act in an agressive manner? Hm... Yope. anything to do with display of flags? No. Was there any communication between the ship and the sub before they opened fire? Yes. Did any of the subs crew die? No. Was the shot meant only as a warning? He fired several warning shots before firing into the ship. Did the sub only fire one missile/torpedo No. Was there some political tension which led to this incident? No. Was the captain of the submarine trying to get rid of the torpedo? No. Did he need a fire signal? No. | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 832 Registered: 7-2001 |
did the ship also carry some non-innocent people? were there criminals on the ship? hi-jackers? was the sub acting to protect the innocent ship people? by attacking non innocent ship people? was the scenario that the ship had been taken over by hijackers and the sub was reacting to this by firing on the hijackers to release the captive innocent people on the ship? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 615 Registered: 5-2003 |
did the ship also carry some non-innocent people? Yes. were there criminals on the ship? Yes. hi-jackers? was the sub acting to protect the innocent ship people? Yes. by attacking non innocent ship people? Yes. was the scenario that the ship had been taken over by hijackers and the sub was reacting to this by firing on the hijackers to release the captive innocent people on the ship? Yes. ***** Spoiler ********** This occurred in 1927, on the Yangtse River in China. Western navies were responsible for policing river traffic, which was plagued by river pirates who would hijack ships and hold their passengers and cargo for ransom from the owners. In this case, the steamer SS Irene, having been hijacked, was trying to get past the British submarine L4. L4's captain fired several shots across Irene's bow with his deck gun, before firing a shot into the engine room with the intention of stopping the ship. The ship caught fire and eventually sank. It was determined afterwards that most of the casualties were probably pirates, killed in the confusion of abandoning ship. | ||
| Achillesheel (Achillesheel)
New member Username: Achillesheel Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2009 |
The captain who was commended is the captain of the ship who saved the lived of the other passengers on board. |
