| Author | Message | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 712 Registered: 7-2006 |
Jack was clearly the best player but could not be the captain. Why not? An easy one inspired by a TV programme I saw recently. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1073 Registered: 5-2003 |
Sports involved? Was he on the opposing team? Was there already a captain? Did he not meet some qualification for captaincy other than excellence of play? He was good at playing singly but didn't have the tactical mind it takes to run other players besides himself? Was the captain on the field? By captain do you mean captain of the team? Was this a team sport? | ||
| Caesarachilles (Caesarachilles)
New member Username: Caesarachilles Post Number: 98 Registered: 5-2009 |
Jack = HAM? Captain: Of a sports team? In the military? Some other type of team? Not a team at all? If sports: Indoor sport? Outdoor? Contact sport? If military: Branch relevant? Country relevant? If other type of team: Academic? Social? Musical? Is it because of Jack's position/role on the team? Is it because of Jack's gender? Is Jack even on the team? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 713 Registered: 7-2006 |
Jen, Sports involved? YES Was he on the opposing team? NO Was there already a captain? YES BUT IRRELEVANT Did he not meet some qualification for captaincy other than excellence of play? CORRECT He was good at playing singly but didn't have the tactical mind it takes to run other players besides himself? NO Was the captain on the field? By captain do you mean captain of the team? Was this a team sport? YES, YES, YES | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 714 Registered: 7-2006 |
CAESAR, Jack = HAM? HUMAN, ADULT, MALE - YES Captain: Of a sports team? YES In the military? NO Some other type of team? Not a team at all? NO If sports: Indoor sport? Outdoor? NO, YES Contact sport? NO If military: Branch relevant? Country relevant? If other type of team: Academic? Social? Musical? NOT MILITARY Is it because of Jack's position/role on the team? NO Is it because of Jack's gender? NO Is Jack even on the team? YES | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1914 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is Jack's surname relevant? Would the result of combining it with Captain have a funny outcome? Was his name something like Cooke? Blythe? Darling? Blackadder? Would his being made captain have led to him getting a ribbing from teammates or opponents? | ||
| Caesarachilles (Caesarachilles)
New member Username: Caesarachilles Post Number: 99 Registered: 5-2009 |
Was it a high school team? University-level? Semi-pro? Pro? Club? If school: Did Jack not meet some GPA/grades mark? Was he not taking enough classes? Was he too old? If non-school: Is the reason for him not being captain political (either team or national politics)? Did he not pay his membership fees? Any other fees that might be relevant? Was he in trouble for violating some rule, regulation, or law? Is he in trouble for drug use? Steroids? Other? Is it relevant what sport it was? Football (soccer in America)? Cross-country? Track/Athletics? Skiing? Snowboarding? Swimming? Diving? Tennis? Table tennis? Baseball? Softball? Cricket? Is it in the Summer Olympics? Winter Olympics? (Assume the 2008 and 2006 Games, respectively.) Has it ever been an Olympic sport (in antiquity or otherwise)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1076 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he play the wrong position (for example, it is traditional for the pitcher to be captain in baseball)? Does the location matter? Time period? Is there any quality Jack does not share with his teammates? Is it illegal for him to be captain? If so, by a sports regulation, or according to law? Is he too junior? Has he violated any regulation of sports? Any law? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 715 Registered: 7-2006 |
Peter, Is Jack's surname relevant? NO Would the result of combining it with Captain have a funny outcome? Was his name something like Cooke? Blythe? Darling? Blackadder? CLEVER IDEA BUT WRONG Would his being made captain have led to him getting a ribbing from teammates or opponents? NO | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 716 Registered: 7-2006 |
CAESAR, Was it a high school team? University-level? Semi-pro? Pro? Club? NO If school: Did Jack not meet some GPA/grades mark? Was he not taking enough classes? Was he too old? If non-school: Is the reason for him not being captain political (either team or national politics)? YES Did he not pay his membership fees? Any other fees that might be relevant? Was he in trouble for violating some rule, regulation, or law? Is he in trouble for drug use? Steroids? Other? NO TO THOSE Is it relevant what sport it was? Football (soccer in America)? Cross-country? Track/Athletics? Skiing? Snowboarding? Swimming? Diving? Tennis? Table tennis? Baseball? Softball? NO Cricket? YES Is it in the Summer Olympics? Winter Olympics? (Assume the 2008 and 2006 Games, respectively.) NO Has it ever been an Olympic sport (in antiquity or otherwise)? YES | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 717 Registered: 7-2006 |
JEN, Did he play the wrong position (for example, it is traditional for the pitcher to be captain in baseball)? NO Does the location matter? YES Time period? YES Is there any quality Jack does not share with his teammates? PLEASE REPHRASE Is it illegal for him to be captain? NO If so, by a sports regulation, or according to law? Is he too junior? Has he violated any regulation of sports? Any law? NO | ||
| Caesarachilles (Caesarachilles)
New member Username: Caesarachilles Post Number: 103 Registered: 5-2009 |
Location: England? India? North America? South America? Africa? South Africa? Asia? Southeast Asia? Europe? Time Period: 2000's? 1990's? 1980's? 1970's? 1960's? 1950's? 1940's? 1930's? 1920's? 1910's? 1900's? Before 1900? Is the reason team politics? National politics? Regional politics? Local Politics? Racial/ethnic politics? Class politics? | ||
| Indianforce (Indianforce)
New member Username: Indianforce Post Number: 46 Registered: 4-2009 |
Something related to Apartheid? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 718 Registered: 7-2006 |
Caesar, Location: England? YES India? North America? South America? Africa? South Africa? Asia? Southeast Asia? Europe? NO Time Period: 2000's? 1990's? 1980's? 1970's? 1960's? 1950's? 1940's? NO 1930's? 1920's? 1910's? YES 1900's? Before 1900? YES BUT NOT JACK Is the reason team politics? National politics? Regional politics? Local Politics? Racial/ethnic politics? NO Class politics? YES | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 719 Registered: 7-2006 |
INDIANFORCE Something related to Apartheid? NO | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 65 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is Jack's nationality relevant? His place of birth? His social class (e.g. being or not being a nobleman)? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1915 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the Indian Caste tradition relevant? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 720 Registered: 7-2006 |
Markobr and Peter, Is Jack's nationality relevant? His place of birth? NO His social class (e.g. being or not being a nobleman)? NOT DIRECTLY Is the Indian Caste tradition relevant? NO | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1079 Registered: 5-2003 |
OK. Jack plays cricket in England in the early part of the 20th century. He is the best player on his team, but cannot be captain of the team. Social class has something to do with this, but indirectly. Correct? He is the best cricket player, or the best player of some other sport or game? By player you mean sportsman and not, say, the best at girl-chasing? Cannot be captain, should not, or may not? Class has something to do with: - who his family was? - whether he was nouveau riche? - His social rank? - His education? Was he ever actually considered for the captaincy? Is he aware of the reasons for his being ineligible or turned down? Does he accept these reasons, or resent them? Was his class different than that of his teammates? The spectators? Someone else? If so, was his class higher or lower than theirs? Does this difference still apply today to cricket players? Is what kept Jack from the captaincy a written or unwritten rule? Is anyone relevant hostile to Jack? Is anyone relevant other than people on his own team? Anything? Any place? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 721 Registered: 7-2006 |
Jen, OK. Jack plays cricket in England in the early part of the 20th century. He is the best player on his team, but cannot be captain of the team. Social class has something to do with this, but indirectly. Correct? CORRECT He is the best cricket player, or the best player of some other sport or game? YES, NO By player you mean sportsman and not, say, the best at girl-chasing? CORRECT Cannot be captain, should not, or may not? CANNOT, SHOULD BE, MAY NOT Class has something to do with: - who his family was? - whether he was nouveau riche? - His social rank? - His education? INDIRECTLY BUT NOT DIRECTLY Was he ever actually considered for the captaincy? NO Is he aware of the reasons for his being ineligible or turned down? Does he accept these reasons, or resent them? YES, YES, PROBABLY NOT Was his class different than that of his teammates? SOME - YES The spectators? NO Someone else? If so, was his class higher or lower than theirs? LOWER Does this difference still apply today to cricket players? NO Is what kept Jack from the captaincy a written or unwritten rule? DON'T KNOW Is anyone relevant hostile to Jack? NOT AT ALL Is anyone relevant other than people on his own team? YES Anything? Any place? NO TO THOSE I THINK | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1916 Registered: 1-2007 |
Are any of the duties that a captain performs relevant? Does this have anything to do with the coin toss? setting the field? declaring? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 722 Registered: 7-2006 |
Peter, Are any of the duties that a captain performs relevant? Does this have anything to do with the coin toss? setting the field? declaring? NO | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1917 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is military service relevant at all? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 723 Registered: 7-2006 |
Peter, Is military service relevant at all? NO | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 75 Registered: 5-2009 |
Other people than his team are relevant. the teams they play against? Spectators? People involved in organising the matches? The press? People financing the team? If Jack would have been in another cricket team of comparable strength, would he probably have been excluded from captainship, too? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 724 Registered: 7-2006 |
Markobr, Other people than his team are relevant. CORRECT the teams they play against? Spectators? People involved in organising the matches? The press? People financing the team? NO If Jack would have been in another cricket team of comparable strength, would he probably have been excluded from captainship, too? IN ENGLAND YES | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1086 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are the other relevant people involved with the sport at all? Or is their effect on Jack's team secondary? Have they ever even heard of Jack? | ||
| Caesarachilles (Caesarachilles)
New member Username: Caesarachilles Post Number: 104 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is Jack's citizenship relevant? Can he not play because he's not an English citizen? Because he is an English citizen? Is it a national team (e.g. of England, Wales, Scotland, etc.)? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 85 Registered: 5-2009 |
Could Jack's status theoretically change so he would become eligible to be captain? Would this require the deliberate action of one or several persons (e.g. the granting of an order, the appointment to a military position)? Or could the change be achieved otherwise (e.g. Jack makes an invention and becomes a wealthy businessman, Jack wins big in a lottery)? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1918 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is Jack's age relevant? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 725 Registered: 7-2006 |
Jen, Are the other relevant people involved with the sport at all? YES Or is their effect on Jack's team secondary? NO Have they ever even heard of Jack? YES | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 726 Registered: 7-2006 |
CAESAR, Is Jack's citizenship relevant? NO Can he not play because he's not an English citizen? INCORRECT Because he is an English citizen? THAT IS NOT THE REASON Is it a national team (e.g. of England, Wales, Scotland, etc.)? YES | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 727 Registered: 7-2006 |
MARK, Could Jack's status theoretically change so he would become eligible to be captain? I THINK NOT Would this require the deliberate action of one or several persons (e.g. the granting of an order, the appointment to a military position)? Or could the change be achieved otherwise (e.g. Jack makes an invention and becomes a wealthy businessman, Jack wins big in a lottery)? NO OR IRRELEVANT | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 728 Registered: 7-2006 |
Peter, Is Jack's age relevant? NO | ||
| Caesarachilles (Caesarachilles)
New member Username: Caesarachilles Post Number: 109 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is it the national team of England? Scotland? Wales? Ireland? Somewhere else? Is it relevant how Jack got to be on the team in the first place? Was he selected from a school team? "Off the streets"? From another team? Family connections? Some other way? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 729 Registered: 7-2006 |
Caesar, Is it the national team of England? YES Scotland? Wales? Ireland? Somewhere else? NO Is it relevant how Jack got to be on the team in the first place? NOT REALLY Was he selected from a school team? "Off the streets"? NO From another team? YES Family connections? Some other way? NO | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1921 Registered: 1-2007 |
Had Jack already represented another country? (I notice you've poached another Irish cricketer!!!!!) | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 730 Registered: 7-2006 |
Peter, Had Jack already represented another country? NO I notice you've poached another Irish cricketer!!!! WE NEED THEM MORE THAN YOU DO! | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 761 Registered: 12-2008 |
Is Jack white? Was he born a British citizen? Are british citizens allowed to be Captains? To be clear, the best player could not be captain of the team he was a member of correct? | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 762 Registered: 12-2008 |
And jack and his team's captain are both citizens and members of England, not an offshoot of another country or area that is ruled by the British Empire? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 731 Registered: 7-2006 |
BOLAPARA, Is Jack white? Was he born a British citizen? Are british citizens allowed to be Captains? YES, YES, YES To be clear, the best player could not be captain of the team he was a member of correct? CORRECT And jack and his team's captain are both citizens and members of England, not an offshoot of another country or area that is ruled by the British Empire? CORRECT NATIONALITY AND CITIZENSHIP ARE NOT FACTORS HERE | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1922 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does Jack's inability to become captain hold for all forms of the game? if not for Test Matches? One day? T20? This is a toughie | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 1923 Registered: 1-2007 |
Sorry for last question just realised that this happened back in the 30s so please disregard the above. | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 772 Registered: 12-2008 |
Does someone like me, who knows nothing about cricket and little to nothing about the politics of the era in England, have any chance at all of getting this puzzle? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 732 Registered: 7-2006 |
BOLAPARA, Does someone like me, who knows nothing about cricket and little to nothing about the politics of the era in England, have any chance at all of getting this puzzle? YES - WITH INTELLIGENT QUESTIONING ANYONE COULD GET IT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RULES, TACTICS OR DETAILED WORKINGS OF THE GAME OF CRICKET. IT HAS TO DO WITH ATTITUDES AND CUSTOMS. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 506 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is Jack's religion relevant? (Is he Jewish?) His ethnicity? His family background? His political position? (Is he anti-monarchy?) The public opinion about Jack? The university or college where he studied? Did he say or do something in the past that now prevents him from becoming captain? Does he have a relevant criminal record? Did he refuse to do military service? Did it require to be member of a particular organization (or have a rank in military?) in order to become the captain of the British national cricket team? Is Jack a professional cricket player? if not, is his profession relevant? Is it the Olympic cricket team? relevant? Was Jack not allowed to be the captain of the Olympic cricket team because he was a professional? Did Jack accept not to become captain? Did he want to become captain at all? Relevant who became captain instead of Jack? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 733 Registered: 7-2006 |
SUNDOWNER Is Jack's religion relevant? (Is he Jewish?) His ethnicity? His family background? His political position? (Is he anti-monarchy?) The public opinion about Jack? The university or college where he studied? Did he say or do something in the past that now prevents him from becoming captain? Does he have a relevant criminal record? Did he refuse to do military service? Did it require to be member of a particular organization (or have a rank in military?) in order to become the captain of the British national cricket team? NO TO ALL THOSE Is Jack a professional cricket player? YES Is it the Olympic cricket team? relevant? NO Was Jack not allowed to be the captain of the Olympic cricket team because he was a professional? IT IS NOT THE OLYMPIC TEAM BUT THE NATIONAL TEAM Did Jack accept not to become captain? YES Did he want to become captain at all? PROBABLY Relevant who became captain instead of Jack? NOT REALLY | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 94 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is Jack's inability to be captain due to something which was determined from his birth? Something Jack did (or didn't do) later? Something that happened to Jack later? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 734 Registered: 7-2006 |
Mark, Is Jack's inability to be captain due to something which was determined from his birth? NOT DIRECTLY Something Jack did (or didn't do) later? YES Something that happened to Jack later? NOT REALLY | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 97 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the relevant thing something he didn't do? Is Jack's schooling relevant? His profession before he became a professional cricket player? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 735 Registered: 7-2006 |
Markobr Is the relevant thing something he didn't do? NO Is Jack's schooling relevant? His profession before he became a professional cricket player? NO | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 98 Registered: 5-2009 |
Sundowner asked "Did he say or do something in the past that now prevents him from becoming captain?", and got a NO. I asked whether Jack's inability to be captain was due to something he did (or didn't do) after his birth, got a YES and then a NO to the question whether the relevant thing is something he didn't do. So his inability to be captain is due to something he did, but what he did doesn't prevent him from becoming captain. Would something Jack did prevent him from staying captain? From being useful as a captain? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 736 Registered: 7-2006 |
Markobr, Sundowner asked "Did he say or do something in the past that now prevents him from becoming captain?", and got a NO. I asked whether Jack's inability to be captain was due to something he did (or didn't do) after his birth, got a YES and then a NO to the question whether the relevant thing is something he didn't do. So his inability to be captain is due to something he did, but what he did doesn't prevent him from becoming captain. Would something Jack did prevent him from staying captain? From being useful as a captain? LET ME CLARIFY. JACK COULD NOT BECOME CAPTAIN BECAUSE OF SOMETHING HE WAS. HE HAD BECOME THIS THROUGH DECISIONS HE HAD TAKEN. IT WAS NOT ONE SPECIFIC STATEMENT OR ONE SPECIFIC ACTION IN THE SENSE THAT I THINK SUNDOWNER MEANT. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1123 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Jack initially of a different class? and became a different class? and thus ineligible to be captain? Through a custom that said only people of a certain type? Social class? could be Captain? Did he know that this decision would lead to his being ineligible? Does the decision he made affect others, or just him? For example, had he married someone, or gotten divorced? Oh, except you said it wasn't one specific action. Perhaps a single decision that changed his entire life, not just one aspect (like, say, a decision to go to university)? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 737 Registered: 7-2006 |
Was Jack initially of a different class? YES BUT THIS IS NOT THE FUNDAMENTAL REASON and became a different class? SORT OF and thus ineligible to be captain? YES Through a custom that said only people of a certain type? YES Social class? could be Captain? INDIRECTLY Did he know that this decision would lead to his being ineligible? YES Does the decision he made affect others, or just him? For example, had he married someone, or gotten divorced? JUST HIM Oh, except you said it wasn't one specific action. Perhaps a single decision that changed his entire life, not just one aspect (like, say, a decision to go to university)? HE MADE A CHOICE | ||
| Bolapara (Bolapara)
New member Username: Bolapara Post Number: 777 Registered: 12-2008 |
Was it because of who he married? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 514 Registered: 6-2003 |
Was Jack not allowed to be the captain of the English national test cricket team because he was a professional? | ||
| Admin (Admin)
Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 738 Registered: 7-2006 |
* * * SPOILER * * * Sundowner: Was Jack not allowed to be the captain of the English national test cricket team because he was a professional? Correct. Sir Jack Hobbs (1882 - 1963) was probably England's best ever batsman. He scored more first class centuries (199) than any other player. He played for England many times but because he was a professional player he could not be captain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Hobbs In those days there was a division between gentlemen (amateurs) and players (professionals). They had different dressing rooms. There was an annual match between the gentlemen and the players. Only a gentleman could be captain of England. It was not until Len Hutton became captain in the 1950s that a professional led the England team. |
