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Tobasi (Tobasi)
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Luckily we have gender equality in more and more areas in western civilisation. I am thinking of a particular area where this will probably never be the case.
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Is it related to the physical differences between men and women? Judging from the title, I'm guessing men are the ones with the "advantage" in this particular situation?
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Is it related to the physical differences between men and women? Judging from the title, I'm guessing men are the ones with the "advantage" in this particular situation?
strictly speaking no to both
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Is it related to mental/behavioural differences? Societal differences? Physical differences aren't relevant in any way aside from identifying "male" and "female"?

Is it work-related? Media related? Personal? Does it involve interaction between the genders, or does it exclude one gender?

Is this specific to intersexed people? If no, are they relevant at all?
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Is it related to mental/behavioural differences? no Societal differences? no Physical differences aren't relevant in any way aside from identifying "male" and "female"? yes they are relevant

Is it work-related? yesish Media related? no Personal? no but I am not sure what you mean Does it involve interaction between the genders no, or does it exclude one gender? yes

Is this specific to intersexed people? no If no, are they relevant at all? no
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Are we talking about an occupation which will continue to be staffed by one sex only?
Or at least be staffed by an overwhelming majority of one sex?
If so: Men? Women?
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Are we talking about an occupation which will continue to be staffed by one sex only? no
Or at least be staffed by an overwhelming majority of one sex? no
If so: Men? Women? n.a.
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Are females the gender excluded? Males? Are they excluded from one particular activity in a job? Obliged to do something differently? Excercise relevant? Could it be considered sexist that this inequality exists? Or is it unavoidable?

Does the inequality exist because of something that happened/was present in the past? Because of some physical feature typical to males? Typical to females? Hair relevant? Are the actual words "male" and "female" (or "man" and "woman") relevant?
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Are females the gender excluded? yes Males? no
Are they excluded from one particular activity in a job? no
Obliged to do something differently? no
Excercise relevant? no
Could it be considered sexist that this inequality exists? no Or is it unavoidable? yes

Does the inequality exist because of something that happened/was present in the past? no
Because of some physical feature typical to males? Typical to females? yes, a feature different between males and females
Hair relevant? yes
Are the actual words "male" and "female" (or "man" and "woman") relevant? yes, but you should perhaps rephrase
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Is this a biological issue?

Is linguistics involved somehow?
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Is this a biological issue? yes

Is linguistics involved somehow? no
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Is the fact that men have hair in more places relevant? Face? Arms? Legs? Underarms? Chest? Or is it more relevant that women have less hair?
Or that women usually have longer head-hair?
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Male pattern baldness?
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Is the fact that men have hair in more places relevant? Face? Arms? Legs? Underarms? Chest? Or is it more relevant that women have less hair?
Or that women usually have longer head-hair?
nothing of this

Male pattern baldness? no
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Does this have to do with the nature of the female reproductive system? Childbirth? Menstruation? Breastfeeding? Pain, inconvenience, or discomfort related to any of the above?

It is related to physical strength or ability? Muscle mass? Stamina? Flexibility? Performance in some type of sport?
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Does this have to do with the nature of the female reproductive system? yes, indirectly Childbirth? no Menstruation? no Breastfeeding? no Pain, inconvenience, or discomfort related to any of the above? no

It is related to physical strength or ability? Muscle mass? Stamina? Flexibility? Performance in some type of sport? no to these

Since the beginning of the puzzle there is a false assumption around. I did not warn you about this before because it did not manifest explicitly and I also think that fa are part of the game. On the other hand I don't want to kid you.
So please interpret the statement of the puzzle as loosely as possible.
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Does this inequality bother the females?
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Does this inequality bother the females? no
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Are most females aware of this inequality?
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Are most females aware of this inequality? no
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Does is have to do with internal biology of the reproductive system (i.e. ovaries, uterus, hormones, falopian tubes, etc.)?
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Does is have to do with internal biology of the reproductive system (i.e. ovaries, uterus, hormones, falopian tubes, etc.)? only indirectly as above and nothing of the cited
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If most females are unaware of the inequality, does this mean that a female is unlikely to solve this puzzle?
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If most females are unaware of the inequality, does this mean that a female is unlikely to solve this puzzle? No. But the females to which the inequality applies are not the same as the ones trying to solve this puzzle.
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Is age relevant? Does the inequality involve children? Infants? Are both genders the same age?
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Is age relevant? Does the inequality involve children? Infants? Are both genders the same age?
You could say that only adult male qualify for the thing to be found out (give or take for the exact age). Apart from this age is irrelevant.
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Species relevant? Are we talking about humans?
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Species relevant? yes Are we talking about humans? No! (although humans play also a role in the puzzle). This was the false assumption mentioned above. Very good question.
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You mentioned Western civilisation, so are these creatures ones commonly/exclusively found in the west? (I'm defining "the west" as North America and Europe.)

Are they mammals? Birds? Fish? Insects? Plants? Hair was cited as relevant, so dogs or cats? Is it to do with breeding?
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You mentioned Western civilisation, so are these creatures ones commonly/exclusively found in the west? (I'm defining "the west" as North America and Europe.) Originally they lived in Europe and Asia but then they were brought to other continents in particular America. The thing to be found out happens mostly in the west but less often also in other regions.

Are they mammals? yes Birds? Fish? Insects? Plants? Hair was cited as relevant, so dogs or cats? no Is it to do with breeding? no
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How did that FA hang around for so long? *slaps head*

Are we talking about a farm animal? Cows? Sheep? Some animal bred for its fur? Do the humans use the females for something they don't use the males for? Or use the males for something they don't use the females for?
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How did that FA hang around for so long? *slaps head* For puzzles like "Bob killed Joe" you would directly ask were they male, adult and human. But for a puzzle like this one I would not have thought of asking this neither.

Are we talking about a farm animal? yes Cows? no Sheep? no Some animal bred for its fur? noish Do the humans use the females for something they don't use the males for? no Or use the males for something they don't use the females for? yes
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Haha, I'm annoyed with myself, though. I think I'm responsible for initiating the FA because I jumped right in with "THIS IS ABOUT MEN AND WOMEN RIGHT? RIGHT."

Is this farm animal a: Pig? Horse? Bull? (You've only said no to cows. I'm not taking any chances this time. :p)

Are males used for meat? Have their sperm harvested for AI? Horns removed?
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Is this farm animal a: Pig? no Horse? yes Bull? no (You've only said no to cows. I'm not taking any chances this time. :p) this is solid puzzling...

Are males used for meat? no Have their sperm harvested for AI? no Horns removed? no
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Geldings?
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Geldings? irr
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donkeys relevant?
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Is horse racing relevant? The fact that males are almost exclusively used in certain races?
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donkeys relevant? no

Is horse racing relevant? no The fact that males are almost exclusively used in certain races? no
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Is something about horse breeding relevant? Certain genes that horses may or may not carry? Perhaps a sex-linked characteristic? Or another characteristic that only one sex can inherit?
Is it related to the practice of using males as studs, which is unlikely to change since the females have to carry the foals?
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Is something about horse breeding relevant? no
Certain genes that horses may or may not carry? no
Perhaps a sex-linked characteristic? noish
Or another characteristic that only one sex can inherit? no
Is it related to the practice of using males as studs, which is unlikely to change since the females have to carry the foals? no
Sorry for all these nos but perhaps you should focus more on the hair.
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"You could say that only adult male qualify for the thing to be found out (give or take for the exact age). Apart from this age is irrelevant."

The above anything to do with the fact that not all horses are born with the coloring they will end up with?

The thing to be found out about the horses -- is it something that only happens in "western civilization"? Or can it be found in any area of the world with a sufficiently large equine population?

Is there anything relevant about a specific type of coloring? marking?

And just to check, does "western civilization" refer to European and American cultures? or "western" culture as in the American West? Are the horses in question ones that the Native Americans of the U.S. incorporated into their cultures? Pintos relevant? Palominos?
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"You could say that only adult male qualify for the thing to be found out (give or take for the exact age). Apart from this age is irrelevant."

The above anything to do with the fact that not all horses are born with the coloring they will end up with? no

The thing to be found out about the horses -- is it something that only happens in "western civilization"? Or can it be found in any area of the world with a sufficiently large equine population? Initially the thing happened in Europe. Later it spread to regions like North America and still later also to East Asia. Now it can be found in many regions of the world but the European tradition is still visible.

Is there anything relevant about a specific type of coloring? marking? My source of information is not sufficient here but I think that these are fairly irrelevant.

And just to check, does "western civilization" refer to European and American cultures? mostly European, see above or "western" culture as in the American West? no
Are the horses in question ones that the Native Americans of the U.S. incorporated into their cultures? Pintos relevant? Palominos? Also here my source of information is not sufficient but I think that horse breeds are fairly irrelevant.
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Are zebra's relevant? Any type of species crossbreeding?

Warfare on horses typically using only female horses because they are easier to train?
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Coat color relevant? Like how its nearly impossible to get a male calico cat? Are there certain colors or patterns that only male horses can have because they are carried on the Y chromosome?

Or by hair do you mean a horses mane? or tail?
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Are zebra's relevant? no Any type of species crossbreeding? no

Warfare on horses typically using only female horses because they are easier to train? no

Coat color relevant? no Like how its nearly impossible to get a male calico cat? irr Are there certain colors or patterns that only male horses can have because they are carried on the Y chromosome? irr

Or by hair do you mean a horses mane? no or tail? yes
Lots of nos but at the tail of your post one crucial yes!
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Is the use of horsehair for making something (e.g. bows for stringed instruments) relevant? Or does this unequal usage pertain to the horses themselves?
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Is the use of horsehair for making something (e.g. bows for stringed instruments yes) relevant? so yes
Or does this unequal usage pertain to the horses themselves? no
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Is only male horsehair used to make bow hair? Perhaps it is coarser?
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Is only male horsehair used to make bow hair? yes Perhaps it is coarser? no, this is not the reason
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the male hair is stronger? thicker? thinner? different sound? only grows back on males? Easier to string? Smoother?
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testosterone relevant?
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the male hair is stronger? yesish thicker? no thinner? no different sound? yes only grows back on males? irr, mostly the hair of slaughtered horses is used Easier to string? no Smoother? yesish

testosterone relevant? no, only very indirectly
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getting sprayed by urine through the horses life making it of a different "quality"?
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getting sprayed by urine through the horses life making it of a different "quality"? yes

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Bow makers use the tail hair of horses to manufacture violin bows. The mare urinates on its tail which degrades the quality of the hair. This is why only stallion hair is used.

This was a bit simple so I wrapped it up into something about gender equality.
Thanks for playing I hope you liked it.
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Posted on Thursday, April 02, 2009 - 9:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Never knew that, and I have several bows. Thanks for a good puzzle.

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