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Bolapara (Bolapara)
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Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 6:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A soldier was shot and killed by a soldier from the opposing army. The opposing army won, but the soldier who shot him was tried with murder.
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Let's call the soldier who was shot A, and his army Army A. The soldier who shot him, and the victorious army, will be Soldier B and Army B.

Is this a true story? Is the specific war relevant? If so, LTPF list of centuries and wars. Is any specific technology, tactic, or political theory relevant?

Was Soldier A a loyal member of Army A, or was he actually a member of Army B in disguise? Was Soldier B a loyal member of Army B, or was he actually a member of Army A in disguise?

Was A shot at short or long range? Relevant? False impressions relevant? Was soldier B found guilty? And executed?
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Was Soldier A a PoW? A messenger?

Was he killed during the war? Out of personal motives?

The rank of either soldier relevant?
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Bolapara, you've now got 4 active puzzles on the forum, notwithstanding that a couple of them are probably close to being $poiled. However it would be much appreciated if you could hold off any further puzzles until current ones are solved. Thanks! :-)
Bolapara (Bolapara)
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I always get a bit confused with A's and B's. So to keep from getting confused, we'll switch soldier A to Abe, and soldier B, to Bill, which rephrases the statement to

Abe was shot and killed by a soldier, Bill, from the opposing Army (army B). Army B won, but Bill who shot Abe was tried with murder.



Is this a true story? Yope, its based on a true story but I made some changes Is the specific war relevant? yes If so, LTPF list of centuries and wars.civil war Is any specific technology, tactic, or political theory relevant? no

Was Abe a loyal member of Army A, or was he actually a member of Army B in disguise? No, NoWas Bill a loyal member of Army B, or was he actually a member of Army A in disguise? No, No

Was A shot at short or long range? long range by 1800 standards, probably considered short range by 2000 standards Relevant? no False impressions relevant? no Was Bill found guilty? yes And executed?Irr

Was Abe a PoW? no A messenger? no

Was he killed during the war? no Out of personal motives? no

The rank of either soldier relevant?no
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Posted on Monday, April 13, 2009 - 10:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he killed after the war? Before the war?
You say it was the civil war. I assume that means Bill was for the Union and Abe was for the Confederacy? Correct?
Assuming I am correct: Was Bill tried for murder by the United States government? By the government in the state in which he resided in? The municipality in which he resided in?

Did he live in a state that was on the Confederate Side? The Union Side? That was a slave state that did not secede and so fought for the Union?

Also, was Bill born in a state that would later join the Confederacy? Was Abe born in a state that would later be on the Union side? Were either of them born in a slave state?

With all of these questions, I am assuming you meant the US Civil War. is this correct?
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Was he killed after the war? this one Before the war?
You say it was the civil war. I assume that means Bill was for the Union and Abe was for the Confederacy? Correct? irrelevant.

Assuming I am correct: Was Bill tried for murder by the United States government? this one By the government in the state in which he resided in? The municipality in which he resided in?

Did he live in a state that was on the Confederate Side? yesThe Union Side? That was a slave state that did not secede and so fought for the Union?

Also, was Bill born in a state that would later join the Confederacy? no Was Abe born in a state that would later be on the Union side?no Were either of them born in a slave state? no

With all of these questions, I am assuming you meant the US Civil War. is this correct? I was referencing the US civil war


You are asking questions based on FA's though
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Did this occur in real life? In RuneScape? In RunEscape?
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Did this occur in real life? Yope, It is a true story that I embellished a little

In RuneScape? In RunEscape? see above
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Did this happen during the War?
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Did this happen during the War? it did not happen during the civil war
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Did the shooting occur after the war had been won?

Obvious question but I have to ask -- at the time of the shooting, were both soldiers considered to be combatants, guided by the rules of war?

Could this situation occur today? Or is there something specific about the Cival War that makes this puzzle possible?

Is the timing of the shooting relative to the end of the war relevant?

Does it involve a ceasefire?

Did the shooting happen after a ceasefire or declaration was made that was either unknown or ignored by the shooter?
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Did the shooting occur after the war had been won? yes

Obvious question but I have to ask -- at the time of the shooting, were both soldiers considered to be combatants, guided by the rules of war? no

Could this situation occur today? yes Or is there something specific about the Cival War that makes this puzzle possible? yes

Is the timing of the shooting relative to the end of the war relevant? yesish

Does it involve a ceasefire? no

Did the shooting happen after a ceasefire or declaration was made that was either unknown or ignored by the shooter? no
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Is the fact that one lived in a confederate state relevant?

Was the shooting a duel?

While they were soldiers during the war, the shooting happened after the war such that the shooting was no longer a legitimate act of combat by a soldier, but rather an act of murder by a citizen. Is this true? If so, does this get to the crux of the puzzle?

Was the shooting an act of revenge? For circumstances that related to the war?
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Is the fact that one lived in a confederate state relevant? no

Was the shooting a duel? no

While they were soldiers during the war, the shooting happened after the war such that the shooting was no longer a legitimate act of combat by a soldier, but rather an act of murder by a citizen. Is this true? no, FA If so, does this get to the crux of the puzzle? see previous

Was the shooting an act of revenge? noFor circumstances that related to the war?so no
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Random questions trying to find the FAs:
Was the shooting accidental or intentional?
Did the two soldiers know each other prior to this incident?
Is the color of their skin relevant?
Are any of these relevant: Location of shooting? Time of shooting? Type of weapon used? The presence of other people? The shooter's state-of-mind? The victim's state-of-mind?
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Does this have anything to do with the political changes that occurred after the war, such that the country was reunited and the distinction between north and south had changed?

You already answered different forms of this question, but I need to clarify: if the shooting happened after the war was over, and the soldiers were not combatants guided by the rules of war, then it seems that any shooter in that circumstance would be charged with murder unless there was some legal justification. Yet, you are saying this is not why he was charged with murder, correct?

You also answered that both soldiers were neither loyal to their respective armies, nor were they acting for the opposing armies, correct?

Were the solders mercenaries? Were they non-citizens? Were they born in foreign countries?

We are discussing two armies -- are these the Union and Confederate armies?
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Random questions trying to find the FAs:
Was the shooting accidental or intentional? unknown
Did the two soldiers know each other prior to this incident? no
Is the color of their skin relevant? no
Are any of these relevant: Location of shooting? yes Time of shooting? yesish Type of weapon used? yesish but dont' spend any time on figuring it outThe presence of other people? yesThe shooter's state-of-mind? <b>yesish,/b> The victim's state-of-mind? no
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Does this have anything to do with the political changes that occurred after the war, such that the country was reunited and the distinction between north and south had changed? no

You already answered different forms of this question, but I need to clarify: if the shooting happened after the war was over, and the soldiers were not combatants guided by the rules of war, then it seems that any shooter in that circumstance would be charged with murder unless there was some legal justification. Yet, you are saying this is not why he was charged with murder, correct? no, find out why he was charged

You also answered that both soldiers were neither loyal to their respective armies, nor were they acting for the opposing armies, correct? yes

Were the solders mercenaries? no Were they non-citizens? no Were they born in foreign countries? no

We are discussing two armies -- are these the Union and Confederate armies? yes
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Location is relevant: Inside a building? Outside? Within a city? Out on the countryside? A specific State or territory?

Presence of other people: Are there other people with the victim? Just one other person? 2-10 people? 10-50? 50+?
Are there other people with the shooter? Just one other person? 2-10 people? 10-50? 50+?

Are these other people: members of the military? Residents of a city? Occupants of a home? Suspected/Known criminals? Random strangers?
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ocation is relevant: Inside a building? Outside? this one

Within a city? Out on the countryside?this one
A specific State or territory? yesish- relevant but not very important in finding out the answer

Presence of other people: Are there other people with the victim? yes

Just one other person? 2-10 people? 10-50? 50+? this one

Are there other people with the shooter? yes Just one other person? 2-10 people? 10-50? 50+? this one

Are these other people: members of the military? yope Residents of a city? yope Occupants of a home? No one was currently in a house Suspected/Known criminals? no Random strangers? Noish
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Any wordplay?

Shot with a gun? Rifle? Pistol? Camera? Firing squad? Shooting in celebration? Shooting during a riot?

Was death caused by being shot with a bullet from a gun?

Was the shooting during some kind of recreational event?

Not known whether the shooting was intentional or accidental? Would the verdict have changed if it was accidental?

Was the shooter engaged in his occupation when he shot?

Shooting an apple off his head with a bow and arrow?
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Any wordplay? No

Shot with a gun? yes Rifle? no Pistol? the internet reveals a debate about whether or not it is this, so I'll tell you it was a revolver Camera? yes Firing squad? no Shooting in celebration? yope Shooting during a riot? no

Was death caused by being shot with a bullet from a gun? yes

Was the shooting during some kind of recreational event? yes

Not known whether the shooting was intentional or accidental? correct Would the verdict have changed if it was accidental? no, though his sentencing might due to different degree charges

Was the shooter engaged in his occupation when he shot? yope - define occupation

Shooting an apple off his head with a bow and arrow? no
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Oh,oh..there were two types of shootings - by gun and by camera?
Were the gun shooter and camera shooter two different people?
The dead man shot the gun? Or the camera?
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Oh,oh..there were two types of shootings - by gun and by camera? yes, though the camera shooting is largely irrelevant now that we know it was a re-enactment
Were the gun shooter and camera shooter two different people? yes
The dead man shot the gun? he shot A gunOr the camera? no
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I missed something -- how did we establish it's a re-enactment?

Is that the solution -- there was some kind of commemorative event after the end of the war wherein a battle or duel was reenacted for the cameras, and one of the participants, a confederate soldier, had a loaded revolver?
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*********Spoiler*********


Oops, I mistook recreation as re-enactment when I was re-answering.

The puzzle was based off of this event (though the man lived) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2094737/posts

"We were shooting at the Union Soldiers and suddenly the guy told us to stop after we were firing because one of the Union guys actually got shot."


"I got hit in the shoulder and I thought somebody had hit me with a shovel," says Tom.


What the 73-year-old was actually hit with was a round from an 1860 Colt Army Revolver. Tom says the moment he was shot, every thought ran through his mind at once.


"How can I be shot? I've been doing this reenacting, who shot me? Why?"

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