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Posted on Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 11:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man helps his wife commit adultery. Explain.

Man=His.
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Any sexual preferences/fetishes relevant? (Thought I'd get that out of the way straight out :-P)

Adultery = Sleeping with another man/men? woman/women? both? Mixing water in milk?
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Any sexual preferences/fetishes relevant? (Thought I'd get that out of the way straight out :-P) No.

Adultery = Sleeping with another man This./men? woman/women? both? Mixing water in milk? None of the others.
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Is a crime involved?

Any legal contracts? Insurance policies/wills/prenuptial agreements, etc.?
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Is a crime involved? Depends on one's viewpoint.

Any legal contracts? Insurance policies/wills/prenuptial agreements, etc.? No.
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Sleeping with another man -- having sexual intercourse with said man? Performing some other kind of sex-related acts with said man? Was he pimping her out to make money?

Or, perhaps, literally sleeping with him?
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Are they trying to have a child, and the man can't get the wife pregnant, so he has her sleep with his brother instead? Or something like that?
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Blackmailing relevant?
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Sleeping with another man -- having sexual intercourse with said man? This. Performing some other kind of sex-related acts with said man? No. Was he pimping her out to make money? No.

Or, perhaps, literally sleeping with him? No, it's a quickie.

Are they trying to have a child, and the man can't get the wife pregnant, so he has her sleep with his brother instead? No. Or something like that? No, the man and his wife have a child of their own.

Blackmailing relevant? No.
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Just want to check an assumption.

Does the man knowingly help his wife commit adultery? or is her adultery the by-product of some action of his?
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Does the man knowingly help his wife commit adultery? Yes. or is her adultery the by-product of some action of his? No.
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Relevant with whom the wife commits adultery? Did the husband know the man his wife slept with (before his wife began having the affair, that is)? Is there some reason the man can't sleep with the wife himself, so he lets her sleep with other people so she won't be sexually starved?

Anything to do with the fact that scientists on extended expeditions that require them to be away from their spouses for months at a time sometimes take colleagues as sexual partners, and this is apparently common practice in some fields? Relevant?
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Relevant with whom the wife commits adultery? Yes. Did the husband know the man his wife slept with (before his wife began having the affair, that is)? He had briefly met him. Is there some reason the man can't sleep with the wife himself, so he lets her sleep with other people so she won't be sexually starved? No.

Anything to do with the fact that scientists on extended expeditions that require them to be away from their spouses for months at a time sometimes take colleagues as sexual partners, and this is apparently common practice in some fields? Relevant? No to both.
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Is Darth Vader relevant?
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Is Darth Vader relevant? No.
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"Are they trying to have a child, and the man can't get the wife pregnant, so he has her sleep with his brother instead? No. Or something like that? No, the man and his wife have a child of their own."

An oops here. The husband and wife are trying to have a child, even though the husband is quite capable of doing it himself. So, yes, "Something like that."

Thus, recap: A husband helps his wife become pregnant by another man, even though he is perfectly capable of making his own kids.
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Was this being done covertly? Clandestinely?

Is this based on a true story? FYOI? Based on a book? TV show? Video game? Card game? Movie? Music CD?

Could this happen in real life? Does this take place in [consider LTPF list of centuries]? Does this take place in [consider LTPF list of continents]? Is any of that relevant?

All relevant parties = H? A? Are there any other persons relevant to the puzzle? Molepeople? Time Machines?
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Was this being done covertly? Clandestinely? Yes. What's the difference between the two?

Is this based on a true story? FYOI? Based on a book? This. TV show? Video game? Card game? Movie? Music CD?

Could this happen in real life? Technically, but it wouldn't work. Does this take place in [consider LTPF list of centuries]? Middle Ages, roughly. Does this take place in [consider LTPF list of continents]? Europe-analogue. Is any of that relevant? Yes.

All relevant parties = H? A? Yes. Are there any other persons relevant to the puzzle? No specific individuals, no. Molepeople? Time Machines? No to both.
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Is royal lineage relevant?
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Is royal lineage relevant?Yes.
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So was he trying to get his wife to sleep with a royal to create an heir to the throne?
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So was he trying to get his wife to sleep with a royal to create an heir to the throne? Yes.
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Did somebody want to be a supreme war-prince?
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Did somebody want to be a supreme war-prince? No, although that does happen.
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Hey little thing lemme light your candle 'cause mama I'm sure hard to handle now?
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Hey little thing lemme light your candle 'cause mama I'm sure hard to handle now?

This may possibly be relevant to the answer, yes.
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Grass?
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Genetics relevant - like how the Amish pay outsiders to impregnant their wives to avoid birth defects that are only present amongst those who routinely "inbreed"?
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Grass? No.

Genetics relevant - like how the Amish pay outsiders to impregnant their wives to avoid birth defects that are only present amongst those who routinely "inbreed"? Hmm. OTRT, but I don't want to give an FA here. This would not work if she were unfaithful with anyone else.
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Was his wife a "bastard" of a king - ie a child of a king and a servent. And this would add to the child's royalty?
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Was his wife a "bastard" of a king - ie a child of a king and a servent. No. And this would add to the child's royalty? No.
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Was the male royalty involved so far unable to have a male a child with his wife? and this man thought his wife could produce a male heir?
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Was the male royalty involved so far unable to have a male a child with his wife? and this man thought his wife could produce a male heir? Yes to both, but watch out for an FA here!
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Is the FA that I'm working on the knowledge of genetics, that its the man's fault if all the babies born are girls, so changing wives won't help?

Had the royalty had any child so far?

Were they actually intending the child to have royal blood? Or to just have the affair, but hopefully have their own child be born, and have him become royalty?

Was the wife in any way genetically linked to this royal family? another?
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Is the FA that I'm working on the knowledge of genetics, that its the man's fault if all the babies born are girls, so changing wives won't help? No.

Had the royalty had any child so far? No, and the sex of the resulting child is irrelevant.

Were they actually intending the child to have royal blood? Yes. Or to just have the affair, but hopefully have their own child be born, and have him become royalty? No.

Was the wife in any way genetically linked to this royal family? No. another? Sorta, only mildly relevant.
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Hint: What reasons might there be for having a royal child?
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Do you get to mail stuff for free?
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Do you get to mail stuff for free? No.
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Reasons for having a royal child...
Financial gain? Popularity? Fame? Excitement? Romance? Legal benefits? Social benefits?
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because that would make the parents king/queen if the child became king/queen but was too young to serve? If so, did they then plan to secretly assasinate the reigning king/queen so they would overtake the throne?
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This child would probably be both an heir to the throne and the fortune. Correct?

Would the child be brought up by the man and his wife, or the king and his spouse?

When you say this was done covertly, does this mean that the "king" did not know of the man and his wife's plan? Or simply that no one else knew of this?
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Reasons for having a royal child...
Financial gain? Popularity? Fame? Excitement? Romance? Legal benefits? Social benefits? No to all.

because that would make the parents king/queen if the child became king/queen but was too young to serve? No. If so, did they then plan to secretly assasinate the reigning king/queen so they would overtake the throne?

This child would probably be both an heir to the throne and the fortune. Correct? Yes.

Would the child be brought up by the man and his wife, or the king and his spouse? The man and his wife.

When you say this was done covertly, does this mean that the "king" did not know of the man and his wife's plan? Correct. Or simply that no one else knew of this? No.
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Did they plan to kill the child before he became king/queen? After?
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Did they Who? plan to kill the child before he became king/queen? Assume it's a he. After?
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Did the parents plan to kill the child before he became king? After?
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Did the parents plan to kill the child before he became king? After? No to both.
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Grilled cheese?
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Grilled cheese? Blinkblink.
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Was the royal man actually the king? Or the king's son? Someone else?
Was the royal man already married?
Is it relevant how the man and his wife knew the royal man? Was the husband his servant?
Did the man and wife's plan actually work? Does that matter?
Were the man and wife planning on telling the royal man that it was his child? When the woman was pregnant? When the child was grown up?
Do the man and wife want the child to actually become the king?
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Was the royal man actually the king? This. Or the king's son? Someone else?
Was the royal man already married? Yes.
Is it relevant how the man and his wife knew the royal man? Yes. Was the husband his servant? No.
Did the man and wife's plan actually work? Yes. Does that matter? Yes.
Were the man and wife planning on telling the royal man that it was his child? Eventually, yes. When the woman was pregnant? No. When the child was grown up? Possibly.
Do the man and wife want the child to actually become the king? Yes.
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Recap:

Sometime during the Middle Ages, in a fantasy Europe, a man helps his wife commit adultery with a king. Their intention is for the wife to become pregnant with the king's heir, who will be raised by the man and his wife. How could this possibly work, and what is their ultimate intention?
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Does the man expect any benefit for himself? His wife? Any other relatrives? A friend? His town? A whole country?

Does he intend to fulfil a kind of prophecy?

Is the man one of the king's subjects? Another king's subject? Is he himself a king? Another member of a royal family?
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Does the man expect any benefit for himself? His wife? Any other relatrives? A friend? His town? A whole country? All of the above, actually.

Does he intend to fulfil a kind of prophecy? Yes.

Is the man one of the king's subjects? No. Another king's subject? Sort of, see below. Is he himself a king? Another member of a royal family? Neither, though his wife is a prince's daughter. Said prince is technically elected, and is not royal in the same sense as the king. Exact titles aren't relevant.
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Does the man expect to save the world by helping his wife commiting adultery? To save the world as he knows it? To end or prevent a war? To unite the two countries (the king's and the prince's)? Just to make sure there is an heir to the throne? To prevent someone else from acceding to the throne?

Is the prophecy one which actually existed during the Middle Ages in real Europe? At some another time or place in the real world?

The king does not know about the plan. Does he know he's committing adultery at all? Would he refuse to participate if he knew about the plan?
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Does the man expect to save the world by helping his wife commiting adultery? To save the world as he knows it? To end or prevent a war? This. To unite the two countries (the king's and the prince's)? Not deliberately, but it does happen. Just to make sure there is an heir to the throne? To prevent someone else from acceding to the throne? This too.

Is the prophecy one which actually existed during the Middle Ages in real Europe? At some another time or place in the real world? No to both.

The king does not know about the plan. Does he know he's committing adultery at all? Yes, though he doesn't know the man or woman, he has a wife of his own. Would he refuse to participate if he knew about the plan? YES.
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The man wants to end a war? To prevent a war?

The king would refuse to participate because he wants the war to start/continue? Because he wants someone else to accede to the throne? Because a third person would disapprove the result?

If the king committed adultery with someone else with the result of a child being born, would this child be entitled to accede to the throne?

Does the man help his wife in getting near the king at all? In seducing the king? In maintaining the king's ignorance of the plan?
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The man wants to end a war? This, among other things. To prevent a war? The war's already started.

The king would refuse to participate because he wants the war to start/continue? Because he wants someone else to accede to the throne? This, primarily. Because a third person would disapprove the result? The king himself would very much disapprove, but the disapproval of others does enter into the solution.

If the king committed adultery with someone else with the result of a child being born, would this child be entitled to accede to the throne? Excellent question! The answer would depend on who you asked.

Does the man help his wife in getting near the king at all? Mostly this. In seducing the king? No, that's his wife's job. In maintaining the king's ignorance of the plan? No.
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Hint: A man helps his wife commit adultery -- with his worst enemy.
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Another hint: The title of this puzzle is relevant, in more ways than one.
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So the king does not actually know the man, but the king is the man's worst enemy?
Is this particular king his worst enemy or just royalty in general?
Or is it because he is king of a country that the man hates?

Is there a feud between the two countries?
Do the man and wife actually belong to the king's country? Do they live there?

Have the man and the king ever actually met (before they decide to do the plan)? Do they meet during the plan, whilst the man helps his wife get near the king?

If the man and the king haven't met but the man hates the king, is it because of some action the king performed whilst unaware of the man's existence? Does the man just think he is a terrible king? Or did the king do something which personally hurt the man, eg order the death of his friend?

Is this puzzle more to do with the relationship between the man and the king than the woman and the king? Is the woman just committing adultery with the king and having the baby, or is she more relevant to the story than we are giving her credit for?
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So the king does not actually know the man, but the king is the man's worst enemy? Correct. They have briefly met, but this is irrelevant.
Is this particular king his worst enemy or just royalty in general? The former.
Or is it because he is king of a country that the man hates? Yes.

Is there a feud between the two countries? Yes.
Do the man and wife actually belong to the king's country? Do they live there? No to both.

Have the man and the king ever actually met (before they decide to do the plan)? No. Do they meet during the plan, whilst the man helps his wife get near the king? Yes, but irrelevant.

If the man and the king haven't met but the man hates the king, is it because of some action the king performed whilst unaware of the man's existence? Yes. Does the man just think he is a terrible king? Irrelevant. Or did the king do something which personally hurt the man, eg order the death of his friend? Not personally, but their countries are enemies.

Is this puzzle more to do with the relationship between the man and the king than the woman and the king? Well, both the woman and the man are in it for the same reason. Is the woman just committing adultery with the king and having the baby, or is she more relevant to the story than we are giving her credit for? She'll help raise the king's bastard, but for purposes of the puzzle, her only relevance is having the baby.

This puzzle is pretty close to being done. Mostly the pieces just have to be put together.
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I still can't get the reason why this baby will end the war, especially if they are only going to reveal it when the baby is older. Surely the war will be over by then? Or are you using the term war to mean feud?

So a man helps his wife commit adultery with a king from an enemy country, in order to raise the king's child and somehow end a war between the two countries.

Is the king responsible for the war? Is the war more like a reign of tyranny? Are they hoping that by the child becoming king, he will then end the war himself?

You said they are trying to fulfil some kind of prophecy, is this very relevant to the solution? Is the prophecy something like "Only when the king's illegitimate son takes the throne will the war be over"?
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I still can't get the reason why this baby will end the war, especially if they are only going to reveal it when the baby is older. Surely the war will be over by then? No. Or are you using the term war to mean feud? At times it could be called a feud, but at times it really is full-blown war.

So a man helps his wife commit adultery with a king from an enemy country, in order to raise the king's child and somehow end a war between the two countries. {Correct.}

Is the king responsible for the war? Yes. Is the war more like a reign of tyranny? Yes. Are they hoping that by the child becoming king, he will then end the war himself? Yes, but first he has to...

You said they are trying to fulfil some kind of prophecy, is this very relevant to the solution? Yes, for a particular reason which has to do with the title of this puzzle. (That's a hint.) Is the prophecy something like "Only when the king's illegitimate son takes the throne will the war be over"? Yes.
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Ooh, ooh, do they want the child to kill the king?

If so:

There are two nations at war, a war initiated by the tyrant king of one of the nations. There is a prophecy that the king can only be killed by his illegitimate son. A man and his wife from the enemy country decide that to defeat the king and end the war, they must raise the king's son, by the wife committing adultery with him.

Just a theory? Even if this is right, I still think i might be missing bits. Maybe the title, faithful, is to do with the child's loyalty to his father? And if he killed him, he would be disloyal?
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Ooh, ooh, do they want the child to kill the king? Yes.

If so:

There are two nations at war, a war initiated by the tyrant king of one of the nations. There is a prophecy that the king can only be killed by his illegitimate son You're OTRT. The death is not mentioned in the prophecy, but is a necessary event for the prophecy to be fulfilled. A man and his wife from the enemy country decide that to defeat the king and end the war, they must raise the king's son, by the wife committing adultery with him. Yes.

Just a theory? No Even if this is right, I still think i might be missing bits. You are. Maybe the title, faithful, is to do with the child's loyalty to his father? And if he killed him, he would be disloyal? No to both.
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Is King Arthur and Mordred relevant?
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Is King Arthur and Mordred relevant? No.
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Is the other meaning of faithful (other than the wife committing adultery) to do with the faithfulness between people? Or between someone and their country?

So is the prophecy just that "only when the king's illegitimate son takes the throne will the war be over", and they think that for the child to take the throne he must first kill the king? Are they planning on telling the child that the king is his father?

Is the origin of the prophecy relevant?
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Is the other meaning of faithful (other than the wife committing adultery) to do with the faithfulness between people? Or between someone and their country? No to both.

So is the prophecy just that "only when the king's illegitimate son takes the throne will the war be over", Yes. and they think that for the child to take the throne he must first kill the king? Yes. Are they planning on telling the child that the king is his father? Yes.

Is the origin of the prophecy relevant? Very much so.
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Hint: The relevance of faith refers to religion.
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Religion. Is the war a religious war? Is the man's religion important? His wife's religion? The king's religion? The king's subject's religion(s)?
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Is the war a religious war? Is the man's religion important? His wife's religion? The king's religion? Yes. The king's subject's religion(s) Yes to all.
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Is the king's religion the same as most of his subject's religion? Virtually all of his subject's religion? Is the king's religion the same as the man's religion? His wife's religion?

Is the religion one of the religions which exist in the real world?
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Correction: If the lateral is about multiple religions: Do all the religions exist in the real world? Some of the religions?
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Is the king's religion the same as most of his subject's religion? Yes. Virtually all of his subject's religion? No. Is the king's religion the same as the man's religion? His wife's religion? No to both.

If the lateral is about multiple religions: Do all the religions exist in the real world? Some of the religions? The religions do not exist, although they (and the conflict) are patterned after real ones. But the story is pure fantasy.
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There are some subjects of the king who don't share his religion. Do those share the man's religion? Are they discriminated and/or persecuted because of their religion? Is this important?

I'm not really sure about what we're supposed to find out in more detail to solve the lateral: The reasons for the war? Its effects? The origin of the prophecy? The details of the prophecy? The details about the plan to get the wife in the king's bed? The way the son gets to the throne?
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There are some subjects of the king who don't share his religion. Do those share the man's religion? Are they discriminated and/or persecuted because of their religion? Is this important? Yes to all.

The origin of the war and the shared history of the two countries is relevant. Think of the man and his wife as Welsh (and Protestant) and the king as English (and Catholic), then think about real history. The origin of the prophecy is also somewhat relevant, since it explains why the bastard son would be accepted as king.
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Hmm... you said to think about some real history: Are any of the following relevant?

Henry VIII, and his struggle to have a son?
The English Civil War?
Cromwell's protectorate?
James II (England's last Catholic king)?
Any of the various Jacobite Pretenders (i.e. Bonnie Prince Charlie, etc.)?
William III and the Glorious Revolution?
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Hmm... you said to think about some real history: Are any of the following relevant?

Henry VIII, and his struggle to have a son?
The English Civil War?
Cromwell's protectorate?
James II (England's last Catholic king)? This is closest.
Any of the various Jacobite Pretenders (i.e. Bonnie Prince Charlie, etc.)?
William III and the Glorious Revolution? And this.
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Eh, close enough. I think it was a mistake picking something so complex...

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This is from a historical fantasy series.

Fantasy analogues of Wales and England are at war; their faiths are counterparts of Protestantism and Catholicism respectively. In the backstory, England used to be Protestant until a Catholic took the throne. The English royal family is “touched” by the Protestant god, so its members have god-given powers and are easily identifiable, even when illegitimate or converted to a different faith. The current king denies his Protestant heritage, and is trying to crush both Wales and the Protestant faith.

So a Welsh Protestant, with her husband’s help, seduces the king and bears his first child. Then they raise the child as a Protestant so the throne will pass back to the right faith after he grows up, thus ending the war. Provided he kills his father first. Like I said, this is complex.

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