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There is a swastika on the synagogue. The Jews don't mind, but the Nazis do.
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Is this the Nazi swastika? The Hindu one?

Is the presence of the swastika part of an educational campaign against Nazis? Satirical in some sense?
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Is WWII relevant? Anything about various prohibitions of swastika and Nazi-related thingies?
OMG! Secret Nazi ceiling!
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Is this the Nazi swastika? The Hindu one? No to both.

Is the presence of the swastika part of an educational campaign against Nazis? Satirical in some sense? No to both.

Is WWII relevant? Yes. Anything about various prohibitions of swastika and Nazi-related thingies? No.
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Is the swastika drawn? Painted? Engraved? A structure in itself? Is it recognized as a swastika by the Jews? By the Nazis?

Is it the exact symbol that was on armbands worn by the Nazis in WWII? Is it black? In a white circle? Is it the mirror image of that symbol?

Does this take place during WWII? Today?
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Is the swastika drawn? Painted? Unknown, assume this. Engraved? No. A structure in itself? No. Is it recognized as a swastika by the Jews? Yes. By the Nazis? Yes.

Is it the exact symbol that was on armbands worn by the Nazis in WWII? Is it black? In a white circle? Is it the mirror image of that symbol? No to all.

Does this take place during WWII? This. Today?
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Is it the word "swastika"? A pattern of overlapping lines that form swastikas (there are a ton of those on buildings here in DC)? Something else written? Something else drawn?

Is it on the floor? Wall? Ceiling? Inside? Outside? Is it in a certain ceremonial area within the synagogue?
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Is the swastika by itself? Or is it accompanied by anything?
Was it painted there by a jew? a nazi?
Is there more that we need to find out about the synagogue?
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Is it the word "swastika"? A pattern of overlapping lines that form swastikas (there are a ton of those on buildings here in DC)? Something else written? Something else drawn? None of the above.

Is it on the floor? Wall? Assume this. Ceiling? Inside? Outside? Assume this. Is it in a certain ceremonial area within the synagogue? No.

Is the swastika by itself? Or is it accompanied by anything? Irrelevant.
Was it painted there by a jew? Yes. a nazi? No.
Is there more that we need to find out about the synagogue? Yes.
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Is it the same general shape as the symbol worn on Nazi armbands? Is it black? Is it painted so that it appears to be a physical object? So that it appears to be made out of a certain material?

Is it portrayed in a manner that makes the Nazis foolish? Unintelligent? Are the Nazis being tricked in some way? Are the Jews?

Is the location of the synagogue relevant? The exact year? The particular person who painted the swastika on?
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Is it the same general shape as the symbol worn on Nazi armbands? Yes. Is it black? Is it painted so that it appears to be a physical object? So that it appears to be made out of a certain material? No to the rest.

Is it portrayed in a manner that makes the Nazis foolish? Unintelligent? Are the Nazis being tricked in some way? Are the Jews? No to all.

Is the location of the synagogue relevant? Yes. The exact year? No. The particular person who painted the swastika on? No.
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Did this happen before WWII? during? after?
Was the swastika intended as symbol for Nazi Germany? for something else? was it part of a different sign? or coat of arms? (thinking of the coats of arms of Finland and Latvia which contain(ed) swastika-like structures)
Was the synagogue used as a synagogue at that time?
Is the color of the swastika relevant? (was it pink?)
Was it easy to recognize for everyone who passed by the synagogue? or was it more or less in a hidden place?
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Was the synagogue in Europe? in Asia? in Israel?
in the US? in the Soviet Union?
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Did this happen before WWII? during? This. after?
Was the swastika intended as symbol for Nazi Germany? No. for something else? Yes. was it part of a different sign? or coat of arms? (thinking of the coats of arms of Finland and Latvia which contain(ed) swastika-like structures) OTRT.
Was the synagogue used as a synagogue at that time? Yes.
Is the color of the swastika relevant? Yes. (was it pink?) No.
Was it easy to recognize for everyone who passed by the synagogue? Yes. or was it more or less in a hidden place? No.

Was the synagogue in Europe? This. in Asia? in Israel?
in the US? in the Soviet Union? This.
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Would people looking at it in this place and time think "swastika"? Would they connect it to Judaism? To the Soviet Union? To the particular country it was located in pre-USSR?

Is it the colors of a flag? Of a political party? Is it red/orange/yellow/green/teal/blue/purple/brown/white/silver/gold/gray? (You can leave this question alone if it gives too much away) =)
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Would people looking at it in this place and time think "swastika"? Yes. Would they connect it to Judaism? To the Soviet Union? No. To the particular country it was located in pre-USSR? Yes.

Is it the colors of a flag? No. Of a political party? No. Is it red/orange/yellow/green/teal/blue This. /purple/brown/white/silver/gold/gray? (You can leave this question alone if it gives too much away) =)
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Was this synagogue actually a Jewish synagogue?

Is it located in modern-day:

Armenia?
Azerbaijan?
Belarus?
Estonia?
Georgia?
Kazakhstan?
Kyrgyzstan?
Latvia?
Lithuania?
Moldova?
Russia?
Tajikistan?
Turkmenistan?
Ukraine?
Uzbekistan?
(Consider LTPF list of former Soviet countries)

Was this location part of the same country pre-USSR that as it is now?
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Was this synagogue actually a Jewish synagogue? Yes.

(Consider LTPF list of former Soviet countries) None of the above, except possibly Russia. Technically, this country was never Soviet.

Was this location part of the same country pre-USSR that as it is now? Depends on its exact location. This is relevant, for more than one reason.
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Poland?
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Is there additional writing/painting surrounding the swastika?
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Poland? No. But there's one country left you've all missed.

Is there additional writing/painting surrounding the swastika? Possibly, not necessarily relevant.
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The blue swastika was the emblem of the air force of Finland, who fought with the Allies against Germany during the Second World War. I have no idea whether this is relevant or not, but I thought I would mention it.
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The part of Finland which was invaded and later annexed by the Soviet Union?
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The position is actually more complicated than my simple statement above, for which I apologise. In 1939 the Soviet Union invaded Finland, and in 1941 the Finns formed an alliance with Germany against the Russians. Not until 1944 did Finland negotiate a peace treaty with the Soviets and turn against the Nazis. However, if the events of this puzzle took place after the end of the Lapland War, they would be consistent with the puzzle statement.
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Woubit, it was after I posed my question about Finland that I read your initial statement. I also had the Finnish blue swastika in mind, but I thought that regardless of when during the war these events took place only the invaded territories could work for the puzzle given the above answers which confirm that the synagogue was located in the Soviet Union -to which the rest of Finland did not belong- and possibly in modern-day Russia.

Was this synagogue used for any other purpose than worship?
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The blue swastika was the emblem of the air force of Finland, who fought with the Allies against Germany during the Second World War. I have no idea whether this is relevant or not, but I thought I would mention it. It is indeed relevant. BTW, a modified blue swastika was also used by the Finnish army, and remains part of some Finnish insignia today.

The part of Finland which was invaded and later annexed by the Soviet Union? Correct. This is only PART of the reason for the iffy responses to location questions.

The position is actually more complicated than my simple statement above, for which I apologise. In 1939 the Soviet Union invaded Finland, and in 1941 the Finns formed an alliance with Germany against the Russians. Not until 1944 did Finland negotiate a peace treaty with the Soviets and turn against the Nazis. Correct. However, if the events of this puzzle took place after the end of the Lapland War, they would be consistent with the puzzle statement. The events of the puzzles take place BEFORE the Lapland War (1944-45) during which the Finns switched sides and drove out the Germans.

Woubit, it was after I posed my question about Finland that I read your initial statement. I also had the Finnish blue swastika in mind, but I thought that regardless of when during the war these events took place only the invaded territories could work for the puzzle given the above answers which confirm that the synagogue was located in the Soviet Union -to which the rest of Finland did not belong- and possibly in modern-day Russia. Correct. The synagogue could be within Finland's modern borders, or in the areas annexed by Russia after the Winter War (1939-40), which Finland briefly retook during the Continuation War (1941-44). It might be in pre-1939 Russian territory, but this is unlikely.

Was this synagogue used for any other purpose than worship? No.
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Is the cross of liberty relevant?
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Is the cross of liberty relevant? The cross could be either this shape, or square, but is more likely the former. Both were used as Finnish markings. The air force used a square swastika exclusively, and most army and civilian applications have shorter arms. Some pictures:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31449
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What do we have left to solve?
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A couple minor OOPSIES which won't affect the solution, but may be helpful:

It might be in pre-1939 Russian territory, but this is unlikely. Actually, this is just as likely as that it is in Finn territory. Its precise location is irrelevant.

Was this synagogue used for any other purpose than worship? It might have been, before it was a synagogue.
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What do we have left to solve? Well, what have you figured out?
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That the swastika wasn't the Nazi one.
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Oh, and that there was a swastika on a synagogue.
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Oh, and that the Jews didn't mind. And the Nazis did. (on 05/01/2009)
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That the swastika wasn't the Nazi one. Why is this important?

Oh, and that there was a swastika on a synagogue. Why is it there?

Oh, and that the Jews didn't mind. And the Nazis did. Why, in both cases?

Answer these questions and you'll have most of the puzzle solved. To solve all of it, you'll have to also figure out why the exact location of the synagogue doesn't matter.
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Did the Nazis mind simply because (in their eyes) it was a Nazi symbol on a Jewish building? Is there any more to it than that?
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Did the Nazis mind simply because (in their eyes) it was a Nazi symbol on a Jewish building? No. Is there any more to it than that? Yes.
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Was the swastika a sign of the Lotta Svärd Organization? Did they run an office in or near the synagogue? Did they try to recruit new members there?
so .. the Jews did not mind because this organization was not in any way hostile towards Jews?
.. but the Nazis did because those who did their service in the Lotta Svärd organization could not be drawn for the Wehrmacht?
.. and this could not have happened during the Lapland war because the Lotta Svärd organization was already dissolved then?
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Was the swastika a sign of the Lotta Sv�rd Organization? Did they run an office in or near the synagogue? Did they try to recruit new members there?
so .. the Jews did not mind because this organization was not in any way hostile towards Jews?
.. but the Nazis did because those who did their service in the Lotta Sv�rd organization could not be drawn for the Wehrmacht?
.. and this could not have happened during the Lapland war because the Lotta Sv�rd organization was already dissolved then? No to all.
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Did the Nazis mind because it wasn't a Nazi swastika? Or because of what the swastika represented?

Does "Nazis" refer to a group of specific Nazis, or would this have worked with any member of the Nazi party? Likewise, does "Jews" refer to a group of specific Jews, or would this have worked with any Jewish person? Even if this could have worked with any Nazi/Jew, are the identities or circumstances of the people involved relevant?
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Did the Nazis mind because it wasn't a Nazi swastika? No. Or because of what the swastika represented? The Nazis didn't mind the swastika in principle, but in this specific context, they minded very much.

Does "Nazis" refer to a group of specific Nazis, Yes. or would this have worked with any member of the Nazi party? Likewise, does "Jews" refer to a group of specific Jews Yes., or would this have worked with any Jewish person? Assume that the Jews and Nazis mentioned in the puzzle are specific groups of individuals. Nazis not present would probably have agreed with their compatriots had they heard about the incident. For Jews not present, whether they minded the swastika or not would probably depend on their personal background or circumstances. Even if this could have worked with any Nazi/Jew, are the identities or circumstances of the people involved relevant? Identities are not really relevant, but circumstances definitely are.
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Would any political, social or ethnic groups other than the Nazis have been offended by the swastika?

Are the Nazis soldiers, politicans or civilians? Are the Jews Finnish?

Had the swastika been mistaken for a Nazi emblem by someone -- the Nazis, the Jews, or some third party, if any?
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Would any political, social or ethnic groups other than the Nazis have been offended by the swastika? No.

Are the Nazis soldiers, politicans or civilians? Soldiers. Are the Jews Finnish? Yes.

Had the swastika been mistaken for a Nazi emblem by someone -- the Nazis, the Jews, or some third party, if any? No.
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Were the Nazis aware that the swastika was a Finnish emblem? Were they aware that the building was a synagogue?

Were the Nazis regular soldiers, stormtroopers or the SS? Were they invading? Scouting? Stationed nearby? Were they attempting to arrest the Jews?

Does the fact that the synagogue's location is iffy have anything to do with the reason the Nazis were offended? Were they prevented from going near the synagogue because the swastika marked it as off-limits somehow?
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Were the Nazis aware that the swastika was a Finnish emblem? Were they aware that the building was a synagogue? Yes to both.

Were the Nazis regular soldiers, stormtroopers or the SS? Irrelevant. Were they invading? Finland? No. Scouting? No. Stationed nearby? Assume yes. Were they attempting to arrest the Jews? No.

Does the fact that the synagogue's location is iffy have anything to do with the reason the Nazis were offended? Yes, but only to a minor degree. Were they prevented from going near the synagogue because the swastika marked it as off-limits somehow? No.
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Relevant who put the swastika there?
Was it there already before the war?
Was it on a sign? on a billboard poster? on a flag? painted onto the wall?
Was this region under control of the Finns when this happened?
Was the swastika (part of) an "official" Finnish marking? or military sign?
Did the Nazis mind not so much the swastika but the situation that this synagogue was under Finnish rule? and the blue swastika was just the visible sign thereof?
And the Jews were satisfied because in Finnland they were relatively save, compared with Germany or the Soviet Union?
Or did the Nazis mind that the Finns used the swastika at all? and already long before the Nazis?
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Relevant who put the swastika there? Yes.
Was it there already before the war? Irrelevant.
Was it on a sign? on a billboard poster? on a flag? painted onto the wall? Could be any, actually. Assume the latter.
Was this region under control of the Finns when this happened? Yes.
Was the swastika (part of) an "official" Finnish marking? or military sign? Yes to both.
Did the Nazis mind not so much the swastika but the situation that this synagogue was under Finnish rule? No, but OTRT. and the blue swastika was just the visible sign thereof? This is true.
And the Jews were satisfied because in Finnland they were relatively save, compared with Germany or the Soviet Union? Yes.
Or did the Nazis mind that the Finns used the swastika at all? and already long before the Nazis? No.
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You guys are getting very close to the solution. Please don't stop now!

Recap: Somewhere in Finland (or possibly the USSR), during the Continuation War (1941-44), Nazi soldiers are annoyed to find a swastika painted on a synagogue. The swastika in question is not the black Nazi-style "diamond" swastika, but the blue square swastika used by the Finnish military. Why is it there? And what does that mean to the Nazis?
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Drastic hint: This puzzle is deliberately related to one of the first ones I ever posted here.
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Puzzles in 2003 aren't archived here so that's only a hint for people who were here 6 years ago and have really, really great memories : ( .....unless I'm missing something
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My first puzzle was posted last year, actually. Do a search for "for valor" and look in: the subject line.
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I'm not sure what to get out of your hint ..
Were the Jews soldiers in the Finnish Army?
Did Jewish soldiers hold a service in the synagogue?
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Were the Jews soldiers in the Finnish Army?
Did Jewish soldiers hold a service in the synagogue? Yes to both. You've pretty much gotten it at this point, so...



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The Finns, who weren't Fascist or very antisemitic, allowed Jews to serve in their army alongside Nazi units with whom they were allied against the USSR. In fact, they operated the only portable "field synagogue" on the Axis side, for use by Jewish soldiers in the warzone. I haven't been able to find much information about this synagogue, but it was likely an army tent that could be used as a meeting place. And being an army tent, it would have been marked with Finnish swastikas. I can only imagine the stunned reaction of any nearby Germans who came to visit their allies.
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Oh, and this puzzle was written in celebration of that previous puzzle getting published by Admin in his latest book. Thanks to Mr. Sloane, and congrats to Nimue and everyone else who got one in!

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